Why are most of right wing/conservative Americans against national healthcare...

Why are most of right wing/conservative Americans against national healthcare? Why do you people think that having a national healthcare is communism or socialism?

Because they're a 2 party system and almost all political issues fall in either one side or the other.

Too many niggers and foreigners to a have a socailized system like that. It will end up being the working citizen who pays for it and recieves none of it's benefits while leeches live the easy life.

Because Americans love paying too much money to healthcare Jews.

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White taxpayers don't like the idea of paying for Tyrone and Jamal's knifewounds and bulletwounds, or Shaneequa's 10 childbirths.

The point of nationalism, and the moral superiority of the white man, is that we are more than just base consumers. We are thoughtful creatures that understand the concept of sacrifice, and that we are willing to sacrifice a relatively small amount to help our kin.

That's been the basic tennant of every nationalist from Caesar to Hitler.

The American system of 'fuck you got mine' is the pinnacle of modern Jewry, and shows just how kiked you people really are.

Sure, you can show a picture of Boogie and say why should I have to pay for this mans degeneracy, or you can realise that degerates will always exist, and that you're better than them. And part of being better than them means that they're abuse of the system won't impact you helping your brothers.

Bait bait bait. Healthcare would cost a fifth of what it does now if insurance and free gibs didn't exist.

Nice citations.

Do you realize that the US have a private healthcare system?

I don't like paying for fat people's health problems.

Because they think if they have public taxpayer-funded healthcare they can not have private.

I think Americans see the insane price gauging of McHospitals and big pharma so they assume they will have to pay the bills of Pablo and Jerome.

The answer is heavy government regulations of health and finance. To stop the Jew doctors from scalping the top dollar.

Also stop financing globalist jew wars and you'll have plenty of money for health care.

That's practically common sense economics. It's a government distorted market.

Bravo! Bravo!

>The point of nationalism, and the moral superiority of the white man,
>white man
>Too many niggers and foreigners to a have a socailized system like that.

You germ answer your own post. It'd be stupid for a white burger to support it cause it'll be just whites paying for everybody else.
If ti were 98% white country the discussion would be much more relevant.

So I assume you supported Michael Obama's attempt to stop you burgers from being fat as fuck?

Libertarians should be given an island. Just send all the libertarians and ancaps to an island with pre-existing infrastructure to get started with. I want to see it destroy itself within a month to make an example of what happens when you don't study economics beyond highschool and argue narrow positions from "common sense" or "human nature."

>Put a system in place where some other guy pays for your healthcare and is forced to do so
>Surprised when hospitals game the system

If you remove degeneracy from your country, this stops being a problem.

Canada has yet to realize that it can directly control the number of fat people inside its borders by doing one thing - inversely relating coverage to body mass index.

Good burger. Would love to see the same thing. Nothing worse than pseudoscientific economics of lolbertarians and ancaps.

>Do you want to give tax dollars to morbidly obese people
No.
>Install socialized healthcare
>Pay morbidly obese people with your tax dollars or you're going to jail
Really makes me think why socialists can't seem to look down the road and just imagine this kind power used against them rather than for them. Not to mention the fact that it's literally stealing from other people.

>Do you want to give tax dollars to nazis? No? Do it or you go to jail.
>Tax dollars for felons released from prison? No? Do it or you go to jail.
>Tax dollars for a right wing death squad for the express purpose of marching through our neighborhoods and slaughtering any and every socialist? No? Too bad.

Why are people unable to distinguish between three distinct concepts?

1) Provision of healthcare
2) Enabling the poor to pay for healthcare
3) Health insurance

In the USA they think #3 is the only answer to #1 and it leads to insane pricing.

In Europe they think a "national healthcare" system is the only answer to #2. This leads to other, albeit less annoying, issues. However, it is about as logical as observing the poor need to eat and concluding the answer is a government monopoly on food.

You can also do this with smoking, drug use, etc.

In my mind this would be the quickest way to reduce unhealthy choices in the country and reduce the healthcare strain, making universal healthcare cheaper.

no real rebuttals then?

Eh, in the one hand I think people should be free to do as they wish, as long as they don't violate the inherent NAP of the social contract, and don't hold others responsible for their own decisions.

On the other I think anybody that can't pass a basic u.s. military PFT should be sent to a fat/reeducation/death camp.

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A country like the USA where the individual is free to be degenerate is a place where socialism does not work. We have heavy taxes on sin and thats good enough.

Much like our education system, the high costs of medical care results from the availability of money from a source that will pay such a price (insurance). If the practice of loans and insurance were outlawed, the cost of goods would plummet in the favor of the consumer.

There will still be fat people and I still won't want to give them money. It's flawed fundamentally because of a funny principle most humans in the first world respect. It's called property rights.

Im not paying for someones else healthcare. Its bad enough the american people got swindled with the federal income tax and now they are pushing Obamacare. No thanks.

So you don't purchase insurance? Doesn't that seem kind of risky to you? You'll be in debt forever if something happens to you.

Fuck off. The rest of the civilized world spends less than us for better health outcomes, and all you have is muh common sense. The economy is not based on intuition.

Reality is the rebuttal.
You're the rights equivalent of a communist, equally out of touch with human nature.

why are most left wing americans anti-white?

We have subsidized healthcare for the poor.
The u.s. health system is a bit of a mess. If you have lots of money you will get the best care in the world, if you don't it becomes a bit of a shit show, not just the cost but the quality as well.

There are quite a few burdens on u.s. healthcare.
1. Americans on average extremely unhealthy. They think walking is exercise.
2. Despite being unhealthy Americans like to file lawsuits if their problems are not fixed, this leads to huge malpractice insurance premiums. I think ob malpractice insurance can be over 100000 a year. Bad docs should be sued, but if you smoke and treat your body like shit you shouldn't be able to win a lawsuit when your baby dies or ends up messed up. This happens.
3. Many Americans are hypocondriacts, will go to the doc for every little ailment.

Aside from these posts both being non-arguments, have wither of you considered that the FDA is what prohibits the use of all those drugs that are allowed in other countries? Lolbertarian economics is no joke, free market will literally always solve the problem, and the more regulations (FDA), the more trouble we have finding competition for the jews that are free to jack up their prices as a result.

As for the other stuff like muhroads... well that's a topic for another thread.

Also lets address the elephant in the room. Sanctuary cities. In a system of tax payers and illegals on the dole it becomes a really big problem. Its a problem now in fact. You have illegals on social services while the working american its not eligible for any services.

Its a game of screwing the middle class while supporting corporate america and slave labor.

Do you like your smartphone? Would you like the federal government to take over the design and manufacture of a single national smartphone? No, because they would fuck it up and charge way too much. Same with laptop, car, motorcycle. So why have them create and manage something as massive as national health insurance?

I do, and I see your point, but I do have options. I would love to have health insurance that specialized for healthy people. I have life insurance that does that. Currently, through my employer I have traditional health insurance, and it's coverage is pretty good. Before u had a high deductible plan with lower premiums and an HSA that I preferred as I lead a healthy lifestyle.

Nationalized healthcare can take care of all three of those things as opposed to subsidized care which compounds the issue for everyone who isn't dirt poor or elderly.

Why? Because I don't want to pay for the care of some stupid nigger who never exercises, does drugs, and eats like a fucking pig. It's quite simple. Our welfare system is promoting degeneracy.

How does nationalized healthcare force people to engage in at least 3 hours of cardio a week and not stuff their mouths with sugar? How does it stop people from smoking?

Always watch what they do, don't just listen to what they say.

i'm a healthy young male. why should i pay the healthcare bill for whales and faggots with heart disease and aids? not my problem not my money

This..... It all bills down to who's going to pay for it versus who is going to be using it the most

Because we have niggers and spics you faggot, its a losing game to pay into it. Maybe if our countries were all white.

If you buy insurance your dollars just go to fat people's health treatments anyway and a large cut goes to the Jews at the Insurance companies who produce literally nothing of value. They are leeches.

Btw if you don't understand how insurance works, you give them a monthly payment, they take part of this money and stick it in their greedy little Jew pockets and pack themselves on the back, then they go and use the rest of this payment to pay for other people's medical bills who need them paid at the moment. These are usually major expenses because you have an amount you have to spend yourself before the insurance company pays that is thousands of dollars. Everyone who pays in small amounts monthly and is healthy is who pays for the bills of everyone who is not healthy. These bills are expensive, but because there are more healthy people paying into the system at any one time than there are sick people by quite a lot it works out. It's literally the exact same thing as socialized health care except the way we do it now allows the Jews who do the bean counting to skim billions of dollars off the top.

We pay so much more than any other country because of the insurance company leeches. If you get rid of them and write fair, enforceable laws that will simply tax everyone, you get the ideal version of this system where healthy people sign up and pay for the sick people's health care with small, regular payments and the payments will be smaller because the fucking greedy Jews won't be skimming off the top. There will merely be overpayed goverment workers which is the lesser of two evils by far, and the cheaper by far too. The Jews are paying themselves million dollar bonuses to do what any governmental sheeboon with a computer could do for $25 an hour.

But you won't have to pay for them because they won't have coverage.

The FDA is bottlenecked by corporate lobbying to prevent importing cheaper drugs, and the federal government is banned from negotiating drug prices unlike other countries where the government controls the corporations and not the other way around. Drugs developed with tax payer dollars are sold to Americans for way more than what it is sold for in countries with single payer. The private healthcare industry gets away with it because they know when you get sick your only choice is to go to a hospital where they own everything and you need to pay them. This is why these monopolies should be met with a monopsony, because it's a hell of a lot harder to stay in business when there's only one buyer. Companies then compete for government approval and sponsorship, and prices go down. Dismantling an institution that ensures these companies don't outright kill you or sell you snake oil isn't going to do a damn thing.

>implying it wouldn't be paradise

Because why should we give the government even more control and spend even more of our GDP on the healthcare of over 300 million people? It can work for other nations in Europe, but for a country with 20 trillion+ debt,and over 300 million people, it's not gonna happen.

Simple solution - give every registered citizen a healthcare ID special to them. Illegal goes in, doesn't have an ID, dies/goes over the wall.

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Ids are unconstitutional in the USA.

You pay for it anyway. No one in this country is denied health care, ever. Emergency room costs are just folded into general insurance costs. They are still distributed over the entire taxpayer/insurance buyer base. We just need to find a cheaper way to go about it.

Also, the real redpill is understanding that the Jews plant hatred of the government in people's minds with propaganda because the government is the only thing capable of reeling them in and bringing them to heel. Don't fall for their tricks. If you think you've spotted a Jew trick, you've probably only spotted something they don't care about or they wanted you to spot. They know how to hide their messages of control in ways that would be palatable to their enemies. They don't just love lesbians and trannies and shit so much, that's all a distraction to use as propaganda to rile up the rational conservative man and make him supple and open to their anti-government propaganda.

>insurance can pay for the lower bills, price range
>higher range is paid for by the government using tax dollars
there, fixed

With nationalized healthcare there's an incentive to keep costs down from over usage, and the focus is shifted to prevention in nations with national healthcare. There's many different ways of doing it, but every major country minus us and New Zealand bans TV commercials for drugs. A lot of them just make you sicker and the ones that say "ask your doctor if X is right for you" is a drug that's marketed to doctors with deals behind the scenes instead of your health being the primary concern. Other than that it varies, but you will notice somewhat less sugary and unhealthy foods in markets compared to us due to regulations.

For a normal product this isn't an issue - you can shop around, the more frugal/poorer can buy the worse but still functional version, while the richer can buy the more extravagant stuff.

The problem with healthcare is that you can't decide which company sells you your drugs, which hospital you go to, which doctor you take, all while dying on the street. It's an impossibility. Besides, thanks to chemicals also falling under copyright, pharma is practically a monopoly. Imagine if apple was able to copyright the idea of the smartphone. That's basically what pharma gets to do.

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Those teeth good god.

Name one US Gov. agency that is not fucked up beyond belief.

Lolwhat
>Driver's licenses are unconstitutional
>passports are unconstitutional

I'm uh, pretty sure government ID is constitutional.

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>British teeth
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>Britain
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>Shitty hospital

IDs that infringe upon someones rights are though like a voters ID or healthcare ID. You have a right to be treated in the USA without any documents and voter ID discriminates against minorities who cant afford or lack to the means to reach the voting booth.

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>Michael Obama's
who?
You poor, stupid retard. Are you drunk again?

better than mine

fuck off

Loser lol

End welfare completely and then you can have nationalized healthcare.

^ classic democrat warning to the masses.
Eat healthy while Moo-shell eats a double cheeseburger, large fries and a coke.

Like algore (inventor of the internet).
He preaches global warming while he flies around in a jet and has multiple mansions.

Just like bear boi di caprio. "muh global warming, where is my jet and rocket ship".

>"they lack the means to go to the voting booth"
>"therefore ID is bad"

What is your argument here? If they can't get to the voting booth in the first place, then what will ID's change?

Same with healthcare ID. You already have insurance cards that you need to have with you, would it be all that difficult to pick your insurance card up from a different building?

>Why do you people think that having a national healthcare is communism or socialism?
Cause it is

It's a meme that pol has come up with because Michelle is almost 99% sure to be a tranny.

Being poor is immoral. If you get sick and can't afford healthcare you deserve to die. This is the way of things.

Why do so many people refuse to address the fact that United States healthcare is so expensive because the government has created a cabal of medical practioners that can artificially limit the competition, and because government involvement in insurance allows the insurance companies to charge whatever they bloody want with no consequences? Why is MORE government involvement the solution to the problems caused by the bloody government's involvement?

Will mail ballots still exist? No emergency rooms will treat you.

>H-HITLER WOULD WANT 40% OF MY MONEY GOING TO SHANIQUAS 10 KIDS
Muhammad I know you're probably retarded, but at least try not to make it so obvious

Don't they already? I mean through emergency treatment? Where does that money come from?

Hitlers socialism works because if you were a Boogie or a Shaniqua he would have you euthanized....

Woah, wait.
The US just sends out mail ballots WITHOUT ID?
That is so fucking unsecure it's not even funny.

Voting is basically the first and foremost provision of a democratic government, thus its security must be maintained absolutely.

The fact that the US just fucking hands out mail ballots left and right and doesn't even check to see if those ballots have been answered by different people is alarming at best and fucking stupid at worst.

Socialism and communism always lead to genocide.Its the only way their shitty ideologies work

Under the rule of National Socialism, the organization, financing and supervision of the health insurance funds are altered dramatically. Self-administration is abolished and state-approved directors are assigned to each fund. Among important reforms is the introduction of health insurance for pensioners in 1941.[2]

The emergency room will still treat you, but the gov wont pay for your shit if you don't have your healthcare ID/can't produce it in a reasonable time.

That's how it works in Canada.

America has a health delivery problem controlled by insurance companies who buy politicians. Allow me to purchase health care from doctors and the problem is solved. Health care controlled by the government is by definition socialist! This is why the northern Mexicans (Canadians) come to the USA and pay because their government health care sucks.

It is because they are protecting a massive cartel that has been growing since government got involved in healthcare.

Medical industry is currently in a massive bubble that will burst violately as soon as the retirement funds of the boomers starts to dry up.

It is the new "dot.com" boom/bust cycle. Just look how fast and how much medical related shit has grown in the past decade (Urgent care centers, practices, outpatient centers etc.)

Healthcare is fucking awful

Its great if all you ever do is go in for non serious checkups, but if there's something actually wrong with you they're not gonna find it. They just send you on a wild goose chase going from doctor to doctor to see every type of specialist there is because the system encourages doctors to meet patient quotas instead of fixing someone fast and efficiently for $$

Too lazy to find it but on the news the other day there was a sick kid from my province that had to go down to murikka to get treated fast because it would take 9 months for him to get the 5 minute procedure in canada

Voting is like a human right here so yeah i agree it has many loopholes.
Yup but you have illegals using the emergency room to give birth under a false social basically getting free healthcare.

simple.
Only people who work and are ovet 25 get to vote.

There are 7+ billion humans on our planet. It is my moral obligation to not give taxes towards a system that lets subhuman disease riddled beings continue to live and thrive.

the traney Barack married you stupid fucking child

What a fucking copout as usual.

You do realise the absolute enormity of the logistics of doing this in the US not to mention the costs involved.

>Hypocondriac

I'd wager a lot has to do with paying $400/month for a retainer for medical treatment and a glorified medical system.

Strike health insurance and implement malpractice limitation and we'd be better off. (((They))) wouldn't allow that though.

It's not healthcare, its insurance. Anyone can get health care already. Hospitals cannot turn you away. What they did was legislate against charity care by ensuring everyone must have insurance, or pay a fine. Now charity care no longer exists, whereas before it existed for poor/unfortunate.

There are 7+billion humans on this planet. It is my moral obligation to not contribute to a system that allows diseased riddled subhumans to live and thrive. I don't want to pay for your fatass to live. I don't want to pay for your schizo uncle to sit and watch Maury like a veggie all day. They can all die, and it will be good for our species and the planet

>voting is a human right
... That's only guaranteed to CITIZENS. My thought is that if your country has so many illegals that it's become a big-ticket political item, you should have to prove you're a citizen before you gain the rights of a citizen.

>falsified ID's
Properly forging government documents isn't that easy, so the easiest one is to give some bullshit number that A. doesn't exist or B. someone else's number.

And in both cases, secretarial staff should be fired over that.

Stop trying to guilt trip people into thinking giving money to a bunch of parasites is fine or moral. They earned it.