When did you start appreciating paneling?

When did you start appreciating paneling?

My second time reading through JJBA. Maybe it was because I had been reading some particularly shitty series prior.

I remember trying to read some old-ass shoujo manga many years ago. The paneling was a mess, barely any backgrounds and the focus was only on faces and bodies, sparkles and butterflies fucking everywhere. Around then, I guess.

I took it for granted, it wasn't until Gook & Chinese shit started to become popular that that I re-appreciated it when done right.

Never, done right you don't even notice, done poorly and it becomes a chore to read.

you fucker, you appreciate it because you know it ruins everything if done wrong

What do her feet look like OP?

this chapter of takemitsu zamurai

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When I read a western comic and was horrified by the sad attempt at paneling (just uniformly laid out squares and rectangles). Really makes you appreciate the variety and effort in manga art.

like this

the paneling of this thing really took my breath away, the author managed to tell me a story that couldve spanded volumes in a few pages

>the author managed to tell me a story that couldve spanded volumes in a few pages

Whoa so he managed to not drag out and stretch a simple story, what a genius.

But he was doing it intentionally.

Ultra Heaven and Homunculus

I was giving the pages as an example of good paneling. The thin vertical panel of the guy standing up and turning around really stuck out to me as perfectly framing the scene.

What is a facility home?

no great paneling, managed to distract me from the lewd.

Appreciating good art is nice every now and then

Calvin & Hobbes, probably in 1990. Bill Waterson is a genius, its too bad that he had to wrestle his publisher so hard for every creative execution of paneling we got.

Sure its not manga, but Calvin and Hobbes is always relevant.

Always? artfags are supposed to study this kind of shit, composition is a bitch.

I'm not saying it isn't good paneling just that saying the story "could have taken volumes" is so wild an exaggeration I'm not sure exaggeration is enough to describe it.

I was reading a manga normally one time when I started gradually feeling irritated by how confusing the panel lay-out was.

Then I read a chapter of TLR and I was like "Damn, that's how shit is supposed to be" and from then on I just payed attention to it.

That has nothing to do with paneling and not only that but the author spoonfed everything in a few sentences which is just lazy writing. If you'd know good paneling you'd recognize that this is in fact garbage.

It's porn, so backstory isn't very important.
Though it's getting published as not porn, so your complaints would be relevant then.

>Read American comic.
>It's like trying to read an excel spreadsheet.
They are like 50 years behind Japan.

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Well, that's literally from 53 years ago.

Ditko's Spiderman has good paneling, he knew what paneling could be.
More recent, Grayson has some really neat pages, and the short Klarion run a few years ago had AMAZING art.

Its the publishers and the formatting rules that aborted any hope good paneling for decades, those rules finally relaxed, but you still see incompetents copying the old style because they don't know any better. The old artists knew better, they just had to fight tooth and nail with publishers to use anything but the most basic layout.

God, it's not even just the panelling. The shot composition is so bland and uninspired. I can't say I've read much capeshit but from more recent stuff I've glanced at, it doesn't look like it's improved much. Ugly colouring and uncreative layouts everywhere.

I don't, though I should. I speedread too often. I loved the paneling in Phoenix though.

Then make your own comic and show us faggette

It's like they just care about the dialog without any concern for the visuals.

Never. I am blind to this kind of things.

Nigga that's well drawn, and I like the warm pallet colors.

Most American comics suck dick. There's a few really good authors, though.

Well draw =/= good reading flow

>good reading flow
wut

What manga/light novel/etc. would Sup Forums like to see drawn in a comic artist artstyle
my pick
>Any old cake fest
>Stanley Lau

If each panel was judged individually it might be nice art, but this is a comic and technical skills alone don't make it easy on the eyes. It's flat and crowded looking with no sense of movement.

I want to see Alex Ross draw All Might

some of them are really good... every once in a while. Manpaul is a fucking monster, for example.

around the time I first read some of FUMI Fumiko's stuff.

/r/ing that Sup Forums screencap of evil flash being the cause of everything bad.

What happened to the SFW version of that manga?

The eyes are attracted to certain angles, to faces, to certain contrasts and patterns.
Even if something has good anatomy and colors it doesn't means that the whole page flows well, because paneling also determines time flow.

Example from the same page. I'm reading the fourth panel and then I jump to the one bellow. I'm reading from left to right but the events on this panel are easier to understand from right to left so I get confused. I see the 3 first before 2, then I gotta go to 4 to see what the guy is doing and then to 5-6 to see the reaction of the fat guy. I had to zig zag too much for such a simple scene. Absolutely no flow.

A panel is not just a photograph but more like a timeline. The order of the balloons determines the timing and the length of the actions of the characters.

When I read Dresden Codak and it was a completely unreadable clusterfuck.

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Holy fuck.

Chapter 1 came out and we got shitty watermarked gook scans. At least some of it got translated

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>IT WAS ME BARRY, I SHIT YOUR PANTS
everytime

I'm guessing is
>Left to right
>Up to bottom

It's not definitive. Steranko designed the page to be read from any direction.

I love Flash comics.

I've always liked the panelling in Ah My Goddess. It's just clean, simple, and unobtrusive.

There's plenty of fucking awful panelinsts in manga, I don't know why you idiots are treating it as a comics thing by picking examples out of fucking garbage capeshit.

Hahaha holy shit. I need to read some flash comics.

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I guess we got derailed.

Pic related is one of my favorites.

Last western one for me

>It's fine, Vonnie.
>You're not here to haggle yo- er, Fluke skul[l]duggery won't keep me from getting my science license. I've got moxy.
>Kim, I don't think you quite understand how this works.
>And if the DOI deems you qualified, you'll- er, I wonder if I'll get a lab in a tower. I like towers.

This is a crime.

>firing the ENTIRE BULLET
who let this man have Cave Johnson's gun?

I think Nihei can do a pretty great job of shot/panel composition. The little details all over the place are really charming.

Maybe it's some kind of railgun that he loaded with bullets, and the electricity didn't set off the primer or powder?

This author's scenes really seem to come to life with the way characters will burst out of the panel.

This was the first thing I ever read that really felt like it justified the infinite canvas to me.

As edgy as it is, TG can get creative sometimes.

Did the translations for this ever finish?
If not, can we get some frog anons to translate this?

Closest we're ever gonna get that level of assholery is Dio and he's nowhere near as powerful.

putting the emphasis/dragging out certain scenes is huge in comedy manga too

I don't know why I picked Countdown to Final Crisis for an example.

Mob Psycho has some decent panelling in some chapters; can't give any examples right now , though.

Indefinite hiatus.

meta

Simple paneling is best

One is really great at panelling. He knows how to make a joke land.

>Nihei

I haven't read Knights of Cydonia but Blame is some of the messiest fucking shit I've ever read.

Like this?

Read "Prequel", that shitty mspaint comic about the cat thing from oblivion.

The shit the guy does with the "paneling" sometimes is pretty mindblowing.

When I started reading HxH.

Gunsmith Cats vol.1.
This sequence in particular.

You're already better than 90% of Marvel's artists

Can't speak of paneling without Osamu Tezuka
This scan is read left to right btw

Shintaro Kago, actually. Some of the stuff he did with "Labyrinth" and other similar works is fucking mindblowing.

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I used to read it, actually, but dropped it at some point out of forgetfulness. I'll pick it up again someday, Kazerad knows what he's doing for sure.

It's just kind of amazing how consistent he was. So much work, so much good.

HxH made me really think about it too, because after hearing non stop that it has shit art, Togashi can't draw etc I was impressed when I actually read it. And I was mad that Sup Forums's shit opinions kept me from it for so long, the guy knows how to compose a page even when he's scribbling.

>shoujo

This. Shoujo mangaka have the most god awful page layouts ever.

Aren't most shoujo mangaka women?

I'd say female mangaka had trash paneling, but most of the ones doing material for seinen and shounen audiences are fine.

Horikoshi have some nice paneling.

Of all the things in manga that could be affected by gender, panelling isn't one of them. It's trend driven more than anything, for shoujo at least.

>so completely misunderstanding shoujo

Like holy shit.

*nice use of paneling

I just do.

Not enough to usually praise it, though enough to notice when it's bad or basic. Hitomi-sensei by Shake-O is really good with its paneling and general mangacraft.

Someone post Kaze Ki.

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It's amazing to me that (to my knowledge) America pretty much popularized the comicbook format, but at the same time most comicbooks are fucking TRASH in terms of presentation.

Maybe it's because they have to worry about coloring everything. No, that doesn't make sense or excuse it. It's just bad.

Mostly.