What's the difference between Japanese and American space?

What's the difference between Japanese and American space?

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Japanese space is full of lolis.

>American space
Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.

>Japanese space
Humans are the only intelligent life out there but that's bad enough because we want to kill each other.

gundamn and glamorized Aliens

About an inch in length and girth

Jap space:
>skin tight suits everywhere
>mechs
>the whole crew of ships and mechs are teens that barely stopped wetting the bed
>space magic everywhere
>magic space races that are colored humans to increase space magic

American Space:

>sexy colored women (which the japs smartly copies)
>serious adult crews
>actual hard sci-fi that isn't a vessel for otaku pandering
>actually a legitimate media pursuit unlike japs

Even my favorite anime space adventure, Yamato 2199, is subject to pretty much all the shit I listed above.

Humans are technically created by Aliens from another planet.

Human evolution is an innovation intricate by extraterritorial life form into homosapien.

best game ever, sadly for the poor pacing thought. The story could have gotten a justified treatment.

American space:

Wealth of high quality sci-fi writers from Assimov to Frank Herbert.

Japanese space:

Light Novel source material, guaranteed harem with stock characters, tsundere romance, chunni plot.

>implying Americans dont do space magic and dont pander mindless capefags.

Almost all sci-fi relies on a bit of space magic.

>implying that still isn't better than 99% of jap space shit

What have they done well? LoGH, Planetes, Crest/Banner of the Stars (which is more of a romance than anything), and Yamato? Wow, so impressive, they managed to occasionally somewhat coherently copy a Western genre.

Planetes sucks.

Problem with Japanese space is the authors put to much bullshit in it. Good sci-fi needs a proper 7-3 reasonable to bullshit ratio. Japan usually does more like 4-6.

One got nuked and one didn't?

American space = Brutal Terrans
Japanese space = Self-defensive Argons

>didn't list cowboy bebop

>What's the difference between Japanese and American space?

American space is filled with illegal aliens

Well, honestly I agree, but I included it because it's well received by a lot of people. The fact that I included something I didn't even like to flesh out the numbers should say something.

That's really true. I know Mass Effect isn't Sup Forums at all, but a big reason why I thought it was so great is because so much of the science was believable if you accepted the nonexistent Element Zero as real. Mass Effect Fields, Mass Effect Drives, the Mass Effect driven guns, all of it became believable scientifically. Past that, you only had the bullshit biological shit to swallow, and it was pretty easy by then in my opinion since most of it was only covered in the uncanny valley sex scenes and Codex pages.

American space is more politics
> star trek
> star wars
> ds9

Japanese space is more sexy 1000 year old lolis

>Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.
What is Gunbuster?

Cowboy Bebop was a Western in space, just like Firefly. It was most definitely not a Space Western, in which the sci-fi and space elements took a front seat. I liked it, but including it would be out of place.

Avatar is Anime

then my statement still stands, why are you yapping your mouth.

>American future- dystopic shitholes rife with class systems and corruption
>Japanese future- Loli utopias

in other word what you are saying is, regardless how well or original the nip do it, as long as the west does first; therefore they are superior by default. Nice small minded conclusion that fit your brain rightly.

Are you joking?
American sci-fi has always been ths lowest shit-tier garbage, the "best" of american space sci-fi is merely decent compared to japanese space sci-fi

>Op asks for the difference between nip and murican space
>murican has space magic, but has hard sci-fi
>hard sci-fi is basically nonexistent in anime, and almost all of it is space magic
>both have space magic, but the thread was about differences between the two
>you're getting mad because I didn't bring up similarities as well

Get over it.

>America - let's conquer the aliens' home planet
>Japan - let's fuck the space elves

>in other word what you are saying is, regardless how well or original the nip do it, as long as the west does first; therefore they are superior by default

Not at all. Japan has a few solid examples of good sci-fi. It's just that they usually choose to suck at the genre, so the west still reigns supreme without even a small challenge from Japan.

>American sci-fi has always been ths lowest shit-tier garbage

Holy shit, the weeibism is real. List your top five jap sci-fi creations, and I'll list some western ones that are objectively better.

all im saying is American space have poor shits too.
All you do is barking, about Japan copy America. That't not an argument.

It's tempting to think that Japanese writers are sub-par desu because all of the media that reaches the West is LN/manga/anime stuff, which is badly written as a rule.

I'm sure there are exceptions that none of us know about - maybe.

it's not that hard to understand.

But Japan loves dystopian futures way more than Murica does.

Sidonia and Gurren Ragann are hard space sci-fi?

Oh, I totally agree. Most of it is shit, same as with any medium. The difference is that western sci-fi embraced the best, most basic parts of the genre, while largely Japan missed the point.

>All you do is barking, about Japan copy America

It wasn't supposed to be an argument, just my opinion based off of my observations. Like I said, most of anime completely misses the point of anime, and thinks it's just a new setting with which to recycle pandering tropes and cliches in. It's not always bad, I mean I loved Starship Operators, but it was completely guilty of everything I've listed.

ANIME WHEN!?

>I'm sure there are exceptions that none of us know about - maybe.

There are. Crest/Banner of the Stars is based off of a pretty good sci-fi book series from what I've heard. Too bad it will never be translated.

Am I alone in wanting a Xenosaga anime instead? And wanting movies instead of a series for higher quality?

I suspect that Western writers are somewhat better for various reasons, but mostly because our traditions for verbal enterprises are more impressive, such as philosophy, literature, law, etc., indicating more merit.

I'm sure that stuff's okay, though.

>list somethings and I'll tell you they're shit
seems pretty pointless. Any gundam is better just because the plot has a legitimate goal and progression. Also, if yamato 2199 is what you consider the pinnacle of Japanese space sci-fi, you need to watch more anime.

I wasn't trying to say Japns are anywhere near western writers here if that's what you though. Crest/Banner of the Stars is literally the only sci-fi book from Japan that I've heard all around positive things about. And if you see the show you'll see it has a lot of good sci-fi in it.

GL isn't hard in any way, shape or form, but its still sci fi and a great series.

Sidiona is actually pretty hard sci fi. Although it does get slightly softer as it goes on.

>American space
>hard sci-fi
>not pandering to geeks

I want babylon 5 and stargate anime series with all the characters as cute girls.

Nah you suck

One is folded over 1000 times.

>genki irresponsible shadow-sama saying that chaos is good, fufufu
>strict vorlon-onee-san reprimanding and reminding everyone that rules should be obeyed, ara ara

...

Stop reminding me how great x3 was, they thoroughly fucked their franchise up with AP and rebirth.

Are we only talking visual media here? American sci-fi literature is vast and a portion of it is brilliant.

Mexicans have the right idea.

I can't remember the last time I watched something in space that didn't devolve into magic bullshit or pseudo-philosophy.

>Any Gundam is better....

Holy shit dude I love the Gundam series but read a book god dam.

To me Japanese sci-fi is usually a fantasy story in space (aliens use magick so crazy!!!) whereas American sci-fi is drama in space (people cheating, murdering, betraying, but in space).

A minority of exceptions does not invalidate the trend.

I prefer Japanese space

At least it's not full of these fucking horrifying shits

o que la fregada

Dune
Star Wars
Star Trek
Event Horizon
Alien
Avatar

What is Interstellar?

Shit?

Overrated?

A stunning visual work of art with one of the best soundtracks known to man

>Asimov
>American

I know this is bait but it still got me mad. Good job user.

>Jap space
hype as shit

>American space
We've run out of ideas where can we go next

American space has songs.

youtube.com/watch?v=60BjkUtqxPE

are there any anime or manga that have an aesthetic similar to the original Alien?

Isn't it a bit unfair to compare Western literature to Japanese cartoons? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare cartoons to cartoons, comics to comics, live action movies to live action movies, video games to video games, and literature to literature?

>Isaac Asimov (/ˈaɪzᵻk ˈæzᵻmɒv/;[2] born Isaak Ozimov; circa January 2, 1920[1] – April 6, 1992) was an American author and professor of biochemistry at Boston University, best known for his works of science fiction and for his popular science books.
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2/10 apply yourself

>Asimov was born between October 4, 1919 and January 2, 1920[1] in Petrovichi near Klimovichi, then Gomel Governorate in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (now Smolensk Oblast, Russia) to Anna Rachel (née Berman) and Judah Asimov, a family of Jewish millers.

I know America is a pathetic nation with a hopelessly shit genepool, but you really should stop trying to attribute great people to yourself like this, it only makes you even more pathetic (if that is even possible).

I think you're just cherry picking here. US space has this same bullshit problem but since there's more to choose from, people tend to forget the crappy stuff. I mean, need I remind you of the 1.2 million troops stupidity from Star Wars?

nor set it

this whole thread is about cherrypicking, why bother making fair comparisons?

Neo America was also pretty good, a star with a big flag and the Statue of Liberty.

Because in that case you cannot act like the west is great and Japan shit in order to "annoy the weebs!!1"

Couple of hundred kilometers, I presume.

>Aliens are evil, we must kill them before they kill us.
Agreed. Alien symbolizes those filthy immigrants who inevitably will ruin America

Because some anons want to discuss the subject correctly and properly rather than shitposting.

Even i know i need to take a break from shitposting and do some actual disscusion for once.

that... sounds great. I would watch.

He may have been born in the Soviet Union, but his family didn't stick around there for very long. His family moved to the us when he was 3. He grew up in Brooklyn speaking English, he went to school in the US speaking English. and he got his start writing in in American pulp magazines. I'd say that qualifies him as an American author.

say hello to transformer

japan space is best space
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So that Robert Heinlien fellow is pretty genreiatic (genre geriatric) but in his time the future thing was exploited, or shouldwesay sexploited, as the progression away from "old world" morals meant spaace was the 60's but with upper level management being in on it also. I recently took a diversion into a heinlien book because I was being tormented by demons of my own creation about the effects on my life from spending so much time on anime, it was called "Time Enough for Love" about how luminati eugenics exponential success coincided with galactic colonialization, such that the garysue patriarch saw it all go by, going from 15 year old ww2 into space clint Eastwood sexing space chicks for so long that as soon as he got his clone organs fixed in he was solicited by most of his cousin-granddaughters who would be a few hundred years his junior but also old while looking young due tobspace tech and age defying eugenics and med tech. I could barely even until his plucky twin fem clone daughter sisters also wanted his space seed. Fucking weab shit, cis scum

Pic related.

>Any gundam is better just because the plot has a legitimate goal and progression

Holy shit.

I hope irl we adopt the skin tight suits for either battle or space.

If only such a thing was practical. The mecha is more practical.

Yeah Heinlein's later works are like that.

>sound effects in open space

I read that skintight suits are actually practical and would work.

>If only such a thing was practical. The mecha is more practical.
Lol wut. Skintight space suits are an actual thing. They've never been flown but at one point they were doing full scale testing in vacuum chambers.
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I'll admit, the Japs are pretty great at the latter, but Kirk made it popular.

Blame? Or Angels Egg?

I've noticed a lot of the shit that people attribute to the Japanese in this thread were actually made and popularized in another country, then just adopted by the Japs. Even the skintight suits in started in trash dime fiction novels and crappy sci-fi movies.

This. You cannot compare Anime to Literature, because it simply didn't have the same amount of time of written material as one medium to another.

Even films have difficulty for doing Hard Sci-fi and stuff like Interstellar still derive on dribble on supernatural shit like love.

Only TV Series like ST:TNG or Babylon 5 fit the bill sort of. Although it still has flaws of not going deep enough.

We are not getting Foundation by Isaac Asimov like qualities in Anime. Or even stuff even close to being as good in any other medium. No medium stands a chance against literature when it comes to purely written stories. Anime, Cartoons, Comics, TV Shows, and Movies are never going to get that articulate ever. The only medium I see reaching those heights are Graphic Novels, but then again those are getting a bit ridiculous lately as well.

Whenever Sci-Fi is involved there will always be the faction of people that want more Star Wars/Firefly then Hard Sci-fi like TNG/Babylon 5.

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Japanese space barely exists anymore because it's too far removed from a high school setting. Unless they bring the high school to space like fucking Valverave

Not just the spacesuits -- it's the contrast between cute schoolgirls in one and burly men in the other.

Nobody here is comparing anime to literature, they're comparing PULP (Assimov, Herbert, Dick) to PULP (Urobuchi, Okada, etc.)

When pulp is really good, it becomes 'literature'. None of this is literature.

Western literature is boring as fuck thou, people only read it cause it's required in school.

More unholy collaborations like this.

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