>Fan service is alienating
Aside from western non entities the only people that are going to be alienated by fan service are even bigger otakus who throw fits of rage seeing their waifu being whored out, assuming you have k-on tier waifus
There is absolutely no reason for a late night anime not to have ecchi aside from western propaganda that is currently destroying trigger as we speak
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There is such a thing as excessive fanservice though, and it can diminish the value of a character, reducing them to nothing but a mannequin to get it's clothes ripped off.
See: History's strongest disciple Kenichi.
>There is absolutely no reason for a late night anime not to have ecchi aside from western propaganda that is currently destroying trigger as we speak
>that is currently destroying trigger as we speak
Sure. Just because they embrace American superiority means they'll embrace the evils of it.
Who are you even quoting? SJWs? They barely matter, if at all.
I don't think Kiznaiver would be good, even if it had lewds. The lewds certainly didn't stop KlK from being shit.
I completely agree.
>There is absolutely no reason for a late night anime not to have ecchi
Instead of desperately fish views with tits and ass, how about making interesting anime with mature themes?
just feel like posting this because it's relevant and makes me want to punch him hard
Fan service keeps normalfags away from anime. I don't like it excessive either, but a beach episode or panty flash is fine if done right.
This is exactly what a normalfags would want. While I wouldn't mind more like that, it's no different than saying ''why isn't there more anime like cowboy bepop and attack on titan''
Don't post that shit on Sup Forums.
You can watch those videos and get angry at them all you want (although I have no idea WHY you would want to at all) but that's your business, not Sup Forums's.
>This is exactly what a normalfags would want
Quality? That's a normalfag thing now?
no way I gotta share it
Muh mature shows. Mature themes =\= quality.
Like the average asshole with aids.
whatever you say my man
You don't want quality, you want to impose your western stupidity on others. Now fuck off and die pussyass bitch nigger, you are not needed here.
Fair enough. But too often fanservice is used as a stand-in for quality.
You are the problem.
Like.
Pro tip: no one cares in anime industry about American values.
It's Japanese who is going to part for anime and it's Japanese who want to see cute girls doing pure things.
It looks like it's you who are being manipulated by western propaganda into thinking that showing girl impure, sexualized is good and desired.
I agree to an extent, but fan service itself is a non-issue. I like moeshit just as much as I like manime.
I want cute girls doing cute things, ecchi harem shit, manly men doing manly things, and everything in-between. While there is definitely more cute girl anime, harems, SoL, and romance, that's just how the industry works.
We still get grimdark series and serious action shows every now and then.
I think that fan service can get really obnoxious and completely ruin series that are not based around it. Ecchi is something that shouldn't be used unless it really works thematically, is in a series where ecchi is a focus, or is executed brilliantly in a way that does not destroy suspension of disbelief and frame the series through the lens of the male gaze.
Grimgar is a series where "ecchi/fanservice" was done incredibly well. There are fanservice-y shots, but they do not feel crass or jarring because they are contextualized and not so one-sided. But there are plenty of delicious shots of Yume that do not feel cheap because they are very well integrated into the activities of the entire team.
I am alienated by ecchi when it is entirely stupid or when it ruins the story/mood of a series. In some shows it is entirely fine to have beach/hot springs episodes. But in others it just feels overwhelmingly out of place and contrived. I do not care about the purity of any anime girls, in fact, I think it would be a bit healthier if we had some non-virgin girls/women that were still sexualized (currently, even teachers are expected to be virgins in anime). Innocence/virgin fetish is fine to a point, but it is so fucking dominant in anime that it crowds out everything.
>currently destroying trigger
The fuck are you talking about?
I'd rather not hear about a girls previous sex partners at all, especially if they're the main love interest.
Doesn't matter if they're a virgin or not.
No it's "used" to make fans happy. T&A has pretty universal appeal, the people who complain about it 99.9999% of the time do not even buy anime or merch anyway.
Its called making a thread that isn't a general
>male gaze
>>>/tumblr/
>but fan service itself is a non-issue.
Usually, but not always. Fanservice used well can enhance a series. Fanservice used poorly can take it over and diminish it. But there's nothing wrong with fanservice in and of itself.
Fans would be happier with something of quality than with something that only excels at titillating. Unless the something in question happens to be porn.
>male gaze
>western propaganda that is currently destroying trigger as we speak
What?
Why are these kinds of people always reluctant to actually give examples of "jarring" fanservice?
>Fans would be happier with something of quality than with something that only excels at titillating
Yeah you would know cause you obviously have your finger on the pulse of every anime community in the world right? If only the industry were as hip as you and could just understand what the fans REALLY want. Get the fuck over yourself you pretentious dickweed. You don't know shit. T&A has been used as a (very successful) marketing strategy for ages. You know why? Because it works.
That's what I meant. Nothing wrong in itself, if used appropriately.
>Japaneseisms
>horrible pronunciation
Fucking raged, and quit i minute 11 seconds in.
What a fucking faggot.
>appropriately
No, he said used well. You're trying to qualify what he said. It's obvious you have a negative stigma attached to fanservice and are only pretending to be impartial so you can fit in.
Personally. Fanservice >>>>Plot Amor.
Explain to me why titillation is objectively separate from quality. Like, why is something enjoyable not counted as quality?
What? No, I like fan service.
This. If the show is going to insult my intelligence I'd at least want to get something out of it. Watching the same hackneyed plot over and over again is tedious but if I can watch it again with a boner then maybe I'll sit through it.
Because I like tits more than mature themes.
It's a good thing that their sales are dependent upon a niche group then. Westerners have little impact on sales since most don't and can't afford dem jap merchandise. All the anime that Westerners have a larger impact nowadays are mostly the entry level stuff and most are stuck in the anime only faze.
Most of the western impact on anime is actually at the top rather than the base. The western fans mostly feed the western companies that participate in the industry, and those companies are mostly fringe outsiders who are considered an afterthought in Japan. What I mean by influence at the top is that some of those companies are trying to change their status in the anime industry from outsider to insider.
Fan service itsself is pretty bottom of the barrel entertainment. Sure sex has been used in advertising for years but that doesn't make it good. I'd much rather have something that can stand on its own than something that has to use sex to keep me interested. Its different when its actually part of the art style. Grimgar example above was great. Punchline and Skullgirls and Kill la Kill are also good examples where the art is extremely sexualized, but it doesn't feel like fan service because its very much part of the style. The animation in Skullgirls would not work with modestlly drawn characters, and would feel quite out of place with the settings and back grounds.
I think the best place to look at this difference is the magical girl genre. Take YuYuYu vs The side materials for instance. The side materials are absolutely chock full of fanservice. They're super gay. But the main series leaves a lot of that out except in the parts where it really matters to the characterizations. This gives us plenty of time to focus on the plot and the characters, and this is what made the series so great. The best threads were not the ones where one user dumps those yunna picks (you know the ones) and we tell tougou to go the sleep. Its the threads where we discussed the future of the hero system. Why go out of your way to waste screen time when theres so much more you can focus on. While its fine in the side materials, Its pretty difficult to say they can hold their own better than the main series.
Then you have CCS which was really refreshing in its reluctance to sexualize the characters. Its not like CCS is a modest show either. Having a relationship between a teacher and student a somewhat a bold move. But theres so much more the show that inserting fanservice would have been completely unnecessary. Then take Pleiades. The swimsuit episode was easily the worst episode. It was so focused on providing fanservice for the cast that the quality of the episode clearly suffered
>why isn't there more anime like cowboy bepop and attack on titan
I actually want an answer to this.
9/10 anime series per season focus around some kind of school.
Originality is rare these days.
Fansevice is alright here and there or in anime specifically meant to be fanservice shows.
But in show's that are meant to be be plot/ character development focused it can be distracting and take away from the mood of the show. Like how am I supposed to take a character with any amount of seriousness when the camera always focuses on their tits, or if their supposed to be a great warrior but their battle armor is essentially a bikini paired with a funny hat? How am I supped to feel bad a character died when the camera is focused on someone's ass? And don't even get me started on eroticised rape scenes.
Think about it like how Shiki tried to have a serious plot/ message despite the goofy character designs and other shenanigans. It just didn't work together.
More like 5/10. It's annoying, but don't exaggerate.
I don't get this weird neo-puritan thing. I used to blame Americans but their TV shows make ecchi anime look downright pure - ever seen HBO? Is this what happens when Saudis get internet or something?
There's literally nothing wrong with fanservice. There are shit shows that use it and also amazing ones that do. Tits alone can't carry a series, but that doesn't make them a bad thing to have.
>can't take a 2d character seriously because of the way they dress instead of the their action.
Can't relate to that.
Because not all "arousing" things are good.
Its why most battle harems and lewd shows are snarked upon.
If the point of the show is fanservice, like Monster Musume, or a raucous nonsense comedy like Bakuon, then hell yes bring it on.
But if the show attempts to have another point, then fanservice is basically a signal from the creators "this isn't really interesting but if we shove enough tits and ass in your face you'll watch it anyway."
It often also feels completely out of place and very jarring, like if I'm supposed to seriously empathize with a character's feelings and then I'm shown basically a playboy photo-op of that character, it really strongly communicates "she's not a character, she's just fap fuel" and diminishes my engagement.
Fanservice is just garbage. Either embrace it and make a full-fledged lewd series or do not at all.
>That fucking doujin
I forgot the name Sup Forums but it was absurdly cute, anyone able to find sauce?
Western fanservice is pure trash.
It's not because it's more or less erotic, but because it only about sex without any deeper meaning.
For example in manga/anime KissXsis had Ako and Riko are talking about sex all the time. Yet they aren't saying: "Keita has such a hot body, I want to fuck him". It's all about they real love for him, and they all want also to care about him and are exclusive to him.
I don't watch western TV at all, but I once had occasion to watch some show that my roommate often watch. It's being transmitted on just normal, popular TV station, but I don't remember which one. It was so full of fanservice, but there wasn't any real values in it. It was just about bunch of people, both male and females acting and talking like literal sluts. It's all was just lewd as fuck between the lines and plain promoting casual sex and pleasure for pleasure.
>destroying trigger
There's nothing to destroy. Trigger is a below average studio.
>mature themes
For mature people such as yourself?
You're so full of shit, there's 'tasteful' fanservice in the west and plenty of pure smut in Japan.
>don't even get me started on eroticized rape scenes.
I know right, they are the best and I wish there was more.
The only people who hate fanservice are western normalfags. That's it.
Sometimes I wonder why normalfags even watch anime
>They hate the fanservice
>They hate the tropes
>They hate how it's all in Japan and never in America
>They hate having to read subtitles
>They hate not understanding references to nip culture
>They hate the artstyle
>They hate how it doesn't try to conform to western morality
>They hate who it's aimed to
There's probably more, but it's all that comes to mind. At that point, why not watch the latest Netflix capeshit release instead?
I guess, I have not seen any of these then.
>I don't watch Western TV at all
And there's your problem. You based your opinion off of that one show your roommate watches. Just like anime there's some really trashy fanservice out there, but it has the same capabilities of being tasteful or good.
Monster Musime is living proof that you can have an ungodly amount of fanservice and even couple it with outlandish fetishes and still have pretty likeable characters with an interesting story.
SnS is a pretty good tasteful fanservice manga imo.
>defending fan service
Good one.
Trigger classic: inferno cop, witch academy
>Only admire certain western animation as the progenitors of anime
Trigger 50% westified: Kill la kill, naka de
>rap music in op, profane humor removed, lolis removed, strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)
Trigger 80% westified: Kiznaiver, uchuu patrol
>Fan service removed, every one dressed like western hipsters, plot revolves around world peace and characters whining about their problems
Who knows whats next
>The lewds certainly didn't stop KlK from being shit
you're right, what stopped KLK from being shit was the fun story and best girls
>not necessarily bad
As long as they don't push the >haha stop being sexist strong womyn angle I'm fine with strong female leads.
I also hate when people go >but I can't hit a girl, shit's so bullshit when the girl in question can and will wipe the floor with your very best.
>uchuu patrol
>Everyone dressed like western hipsters
The girls are in middle school and wear short-ass skirts with their school uniforms and the big bad is wearing a literal fucking Kamui
This.
If fan-service is distracting you watch something else. Not everyone's moral compass is the same or need to change because of you.
>Not everyone's moral compass is the same or need to change because of you
>implying that's not exactly what's being pushed everywhere these days
>Kill la kill
>profane humor removed
what? there were plenty of rape jokes and shit
>lolis removed
what about fucking nonon, also this is really a non-isssue because plenty of anime have no "lolis"
>rap music in op
rap has been a part of anime culture since the early ninties
>strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)
now i'm beginning to wonder if you've even seen anime before 2010. so many anime have had strong female leads, way more than western shows
>fan-service removed
it's now obvious you haven't even seen it, one of the main characters wears less than a kamui and has a completely lewd body
>every one dressed like western hipsters
what the fuck are talking about?
>plot revolves around world peace and characters whining about their problems
have you even watched a single fucking anime?
are you fucking kidding me?
No shit. When is it gonna end...
Anime will be dead in less then 5 years, I guarantee it. It'll go the way of video games.
I don't believe it. alisa from god eater was still good even though she was just walking underboob.
this thread is worse than a Sup Forums thread
>Luluco
>fanservice removed
Am I being baited?
klk became shit when it stopped being a sexplotation show about exhibitionism and turned into a run of the mill action show.
>strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)
as much retarded shit that tumblr spews out, the truth is that there really is nothing wrong with having strong female characters, and that women have been generally treated as weak idiots in most stories for a long time
The logic that'll lead to a meme show becoming real
Sup Forums does have pretty good anime threads.
They really like Kiniro mosaic.
Sup Forums is great, kys
It just has to be not in-your-face about it, which anime generally is. Strong female leads are shit if they just HAVE to shout about the stereotype again womyn being ungrounded when even in-universe it IS grounded and they're special for being a girl, just like male MCs are shit if they #wonthitagirl even when the girl in question defies the condition that made it a thing (i.e. don't bully the weak ones) and is 10x stronger than the rest of the cast.
Strong female characters are rarely done well in power level centric series (Its always the butthurt DBZ and Naruto fags asking and wishing for that and they end up with pic related).
In more character driven stuff its alright.
That's the issue.
I've never seen an anime that tried to justify it's strong female lead. Only western shows do that.
this is true
>strong womyn
shit and should be eradicated from the planet
>strong women
pretty fucking cool
A yes the "I rape my brother while he sleeps" doujin, this was a good one.
erza is god-tier tho
It's a waste of time, and there are plenty of contexts where it would (and does) undermine the tone of a story or character. If I want porn, I can find actual porn easily.
>Strong female characters are rarely done well in power level centric series
They can be if they're treated as just absurdly strong and not special for being a girl. The whole point of not hitting girls is that they're generally weaker, in powercentric series the distinction is moot because there would be plenty of girls who can shear the face off guys with a superpowered slap and on the high end of the spectrum simply remove people from existence or warp the world to their comfort.
She's a Mary Sue who asspulls her way out of victory, but that's just Fairy Tail in general.
while male character are treated as punching bags or winning good for nothing pervert in lots of anime as well.
I meant it generally did well and avoided being in your face, not that it was in your face.
They're usually treated as perverts who pull through when needed, so not quite the same as cockorbiters. One of the reasons I like Konosuba, because the MC is a prick that knows it and doesn't care, while the girls have actual fucking motivations besides the penis.
>#wonthitagirl
Since when is not hitting a girl a tumblr thing? I'm more likely to hear SJWs complain about that sort of etiquette and hear middle-aged conservatives defend it.
Normal fags aren't intellectuals retard.
I misunderstood, sorry.
Why is this thread still up?
Spot the tubmlr-whale.
because there's nothing to watch at the moment.
Because you were raped by your uncle when you were 6
I never gave a shit about whether or not something is tumblr, just whether or not it makes sense.
If a girl complains about an unreasonable stereotype in a setting where one actually exists, yeah she SHOULD be. The hitting girls thing is just something retarded, why WON'T you defend yourself just because it has tits?