To those who live in post communist countries, and experienced the era or at least know personal stories...

To those who live in post communist countries, and experienced the era or at least know personal stories, how was it and would you want it back?

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I have some stuff. But i'm an East German so we had it quite nice. But Easymode in a Shithole still means you have to go through said Shithole.

Thought Policing not unlike done today by the Left. Just different Buzzwords but the purpose of control stood the same.
Having to stay in fucking line to buy Bread because the Baker was only allowed to bake X per day since the Plan dictated it.
An overenthusiastic Worker could literally fuck everyone else over by raising the Quota which meant everyone hadto work as hard as him now or get in trouble.

It's fucking hell.

Sad.

Shameless self bump

It was very shitty, nothing works, noone works, suck commie dick and have a good life, be patriotic and rot away in a 2x2 wet jail cell, degenerates, hobos and alcoholic are happy, normal people want to fucking die every day, you can't trust anyone cus everyone could report you and have you send to Sybir without a trial if they don't like you. Food shortages, poverty, if you were a war hero from WW2 than you better not get cought boyo cus its a bullet in the head and if you hide your identity well it's torture until you confess and give some names, and into a work camp you go. etc etc

That seems a bit exaggerated, but i can still imagine it as being bad.

it might not be
romania had the worst regime and a thought police orwell would be proud of and it was still slightly richer than poland

well, by patriorism I meant opposing the government even privatly, and by suck commie dick is agree with everything they say and spew the same propaganda they do, other than that it's all accurate.

Why do you think polaks hate commies so much, economically we're still far from recovered

Well of course, you had the most violent transition.

East German.

I would rather die than accept Russian (aka Asian) boots on European ground. Never going to go through this again.

>exaggerated
my ass. fuck commies. they must all be purged with fire.

trust me, you havent seen shit until youve been here
despite the memes, poland has built something with eu gibs, and is doing pretty well all things considered
you just have an obscenely rich neighbour
btw after the fall of goymunnism did your politicians promise to become the eastern euro germany or something? they did here

And people say East Germany was the "best" warsaw pact nation.

King of Shit Mountain doesn't do anybody any good.
The Russians didn't even manage to not vandalize the barracks we gave them and had to pay for. When they left in the 90s, the buildings were absolutely ruined.

I know that most will attribute this to Communism, but the truth is that this is Russian Imperialism. I would take European or American Imperialism taking over my country every day if the week compared to Russian Imperialism.

eastern germany has had a fuckton of money sunk into it and it still hasnt caught up

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Never heard of anything like that

my grandma swam to hong kong from the mainland to escape the commies

the amount of money thrown at eastern germany won't change a think. just as the money thrown at any eastern european country. we need more free market like the western countries had till the '80.

*a thing.

A dozen of my relatives were gulaged because of being monarchists or kulaks.
I wouldn't want it back of course. (actually it hasn't ever ended yet)

Were bureaucrats all on a power trip when you had to deal with them? Anecdotes?

Everything was kept down to a managable minimum.Food,water,health,wage,transportation,electricity,clothes,paper (even toilet one) etc.

No normie was supposed to stand out from others in the society through his set of mind or material goods (this did not apply to high ranking, party officials of course).

There were some positive things tho, like :
- higher natural growth
- arts and higher standard of education.

All that I remember from Soviet time is that ice cream back then was absolutely delicious.
It pretty much all that I remember, because I was like 3 years old.

jesus. you would think that they could have been able to come up with a better way to do socialism

>(actually it hasn't ever ended yet)

This is why Europe cannot view Russia as anything but an enemy right now.
The old system never left Russia.

What system can make Russia a good country to live in?

yeah, i saw a table that said that in 1989 gdp per capita in romania was slightly bigger than in poland. after 1989.... other story.

It was the worst thing ever. You don't want that. :)

My grandfather lived under both Axis Hungary and Communist Hungary.

After hearing about what Communism was like I asked him what it was like when Hungary was in the axis and he said "Oh, it was good"

yeah i know
i was just pointing out that it leaves deep scars
there there ivan
youll power through it
you always have

You gotta tell me more than that man.
He must be very old.

I remember standing for hours in line with my mom to buy groceries. Shit like bananas and oranges were super rare and super expensive. Getting shit on by my commie 1st grade teacher for not obeying some dumb order is one memory I seem not to forget. Also remember wanting to join the Polish boy scouts but not being able to because my parents were not party members. Houses were all gray - no one had the money for paint (or there was no paint available perhaps).

Overall it was shit. Even for me as a small kid. (I was 7 when the east bloc imploded). Wouldn't want it back.

but hey at least were getting bigger pensions
to be paid by


someone
automatisation better hit like a truck here since barely over a quarter of the population is worth anything

He is 80, so admittedly he was young when the axis was in power

Things will change soon for you guys.

Does my russian gf's grandmother count?
She tells that life in the Soviet Union was breddy gud, no crime, no unemployment, healthcare for everyone. She lived in Turkmenistan, the daughter of a russian teacher sent there by the government. In the 60's she went to study in Moscow, as a student you got a place to live and a little subsidy.
She doesn't tell it like it was a wonderland, I guess she's just countering this idea of everything being grey and terrible and sad.
Interestingly at some point she said something to the effect that tho the USSR was closed to the outside world, within it there wasn't that much security, like at tourist attractions and sheit, so you could just go anywhere and nobody cared.

Nigga. It was fucking great stop making shit up your like those old jews lying about the holocaust.

hopefully for the better
our neogommies bit way too much and now their bullshit is slightly more common knowledge so im optimistic well get a government thats actually good for a change of pace
we havent had a good leader since antonescu

oh well, we'll see in the next elections

non-russian user here whos family comes from soviet union and has been to post-soviet east europe:

I don't know about Russians, but everyone else who has lived in it remembers only positives. Jobs, stability, zero homelessness and mafias, education, technology, order, war on rampant alchoholism plaguing the land, and ofcourse the pride of being part of a great empire.

Seems many miss it as they hate capitalism and what it's done to their countries, but it's probably mostly due to soviet propaganda in schools (such as atheism).

Now, the people are split between those that wish to be part of a Empire again and are either rooting for Russia or EU to take over and "save them" from their poor shitty lives, and the nationalists who want to remain their own countries.

I'll go more into detail later if the thread is still here.

It was terrible, I have countless stories about it from my family I aslo remeber a bit of it myself (oldfag here). The worst thing is the corruption that has been done to the peoples morale, work ethic etc. Everything was done poorly because everything was nationalised, people stopped caring because they had almost no private property, everything was common. Empty shells in shops, tickets for meat, washing powder, shampoo, petrol etc. Years of waiting for a car or appartment. Corrutpion everywhere, because now people who manage the national property have power to administer the goods to people they want bypassing the queues. Censorship, no freedom of speech, it was a world of absurd. I could talk and talk about it, 99.9% of what you can find about the communism in Europe and USRR is true. Never again.

So for your elections, who is our guys?

Destruction.
What you have to understand is that the system - no matter what comes afterwards - will only go if the system gets absolutely destroyed.
What comes after? Who cares. The system has to be annihilated.

I think we (Poland) were poorer but had more freedoms than the East Germans. We didn't have that many part time spies reporting on their neighbors. East Germany sound like hell.

fuck if i know
our elections passed a few months ago so weve got another 4 years of this bullshit
unfortunately parties in romania arent really left or right, just whatever gets votes

Well 60-70s was a soviet golden age. Serious flaws of planned economy start showing up only in early 80s.

Lebensraum

eh, i wouldnt go as far as that
theres gotta be something worth salvaging

ancapistan in siberian steppe :o

Nah, we all know someone who has a story like that.

My dad had a good spot in a factory so it was a little bit easier for us, but not for others. People had to wake up early to stand in the line in order to get some basic shit like food.

You're not allowed to think differently.
Jeans - rare and expensive.

Or how about actual Russian nationalism (none of that commie bullshit.)

Heh, I don't know about Russia but Poland got in the 60s or 70s a shitload of international loans. The government just spend it on making itself more popular with the people. Higher wages, etc.
Ofc. once the loans were due the economy started to show its weakness.

A Bulgarian actually told me that colorful clothing and stuff like that was quite rare and impressive when it was first seen.

read up on the russian empire
the russian psyche is in tatters after centuries of relentless exploitation

>flag
you commies keep together

Well then it's a lost cause

>but everyone else who has lived in it remembers only positives
and that's why they left, I guess?

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communism had more negative impact on my country than ww2

well in hungary its one of the best so for us its not so bad and in many thing better than eu. lot of basic thing was cheap as fuck. imagine my grandpa basic locomotive(train) repair man and when he was 35 he had a wife with 2 kid a 4 room hous a car and 1 motorbike. now i need to work 20 year just to buy 1 house cuz price so fucking up. whats bad? leaders literally become the one who loyal not the one who are educated or competent. and thats why sometimes things happend like we need to farm rice in hungary but we never did it before cuz 1 communist tought it will be avesome. and the worst is how they want to exterminate the culture and religion. my mom got baptised but non of my family member there. my grandma give him to priest and walk away cuz if she go in she will lose her job. one annother bad thing how corruption got spred. i mean everything was owned by the gov. factory etc. so ppl just walk in and take 2 kilo cement or i dunno other shit and no one care since its not mine.literally ppl steal avay whole factorys. so its not a concidence its failed. its like you work in mcdonalds and every day you stole 5 burger and every other employee to. imagine how can you profiting after that XD.

>Portugal is the hat
what did he mean by this?

Was mostly grey and shitty but had its occasional perks. Degeneracy of any kind not tolerated, media such as films and musics were of very high quality (even small kids expect to know classical composers), everyone so afraid of the state crime was nonexistent and kids could just run around

Monarchism. Bring back the Tsar

Remember to use geographic location if you're going to post. It is really fucking interesting to read btw

its true. we hungarians cross to austria to buy farmers or annother shit. my grandma cuzin fought in the uprising in 56 so he had to leav and moved to canada. once he send 1 jacket to my mother and the whole street come and see my mother in it XD. annother sotry: few fruits so rare we called it western fruits(orange,bananna,kivi, and shit like that). i only eat them in christmas. my present was 1 kilo orange form my grandparents. and you cant even found it in regular days. you go to the shop and only found basic food and local fruits. no nutella,fruits,100 types of chocolate or cola. about jobs: yes 20-30% of ppl just walk in and do nothing and get minimal shit but hard workers got revarded. miners need to only work 20 years and after that retire. my uncle retired since he is 45. but yeah lot of jobs just fake shit so you are working.

it was great. The only people that hated it were the degenerates, system abusers and the lazy. People blamed the ideology but the reality is the individuals were useless and failed the ideology.

If you could go back to the old days, would you?

Really?

and one last thing: no one care about helt . soviets literally build 1 huge steal factory in the middle of my city. 30k ppl worked there. everything was full of smoke and smog. full of dirt and ash which come from burning cola and wood. the situation so bad i didnt see bird in the city. there are no birds only if we go out to the forest. animals avoid the city its so dirty. there was no trees or flowers its like mordor with ppl. everything was either gray or brown or if they paint it white its become white few months later. you simply dont see green in the city. not even grass everything was asphalted. no parks or shit like that.

*healt

So what do you mean when many things were better than the eu?

Yes. Life was more simple back then but not as stressful. Most of the stressful times were brought on by people refusing to do their bit and being rebel, because they had expectations to contribute placed on them in society.

Lazy and entitled humans like Antifa and welfare claimant people with bad mentality would rather protest and fight than to actually try to contribute.

The people dreamed of the west and material goods as freedom so this became some sort of weird fantasy. This is why I am not surprised by welfare state because it is just same mindset of people.

All ideologies fail because of entitled retard mindset. In capitalism lazy want welfare state. In socialism lazy refuse to work and contribute. None of these are sustainable.

It is annoying now. The children have no respect and do not grow up. Also, they are fat. There is graffiti and trash everywhere. There is stress of finding rent money and apartment.

Until mindset is changed through force of real leader and degenerate and lazy attitude is destroyed, humanity will just go in circle.

gov paid X% of basic things. like they paid half of your house cuz every family should have one. literally 5-8 year and a low paid family managed to buy a 2-3 room house. same goes to basic food. bread , milk dirt cheap like now 10 cent in usa. thats was the only advantage. and jobs obvi. even if you retarded they find you 1 job. but thats killed the whole system cuz you cant be competent when 3 ppl do 1 ppl job.

it makes sense from that perspective

How do you feel about the rise of right wing nationalism?

Belaruse

There's still some bits that are left. I did two years conscription for about $100 a month in pay. You need a licence to speak with foreigners. The passport interview is more intense than anything any western government agency will do. Free enterprise is allowed but only if you shill for the regime. The secret police will fuck your shit up. Unless you want to go to Russia it's hard to leave. The death penalty and hard labour is common.

It's not a dictatorship but it's close.

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Unless the leader abolishes welfare state and makes people responsible for their own future all ideology is pointless. Humans will only contribute if their life relies on it.

If hunter gatherers were given food, do you think they would hunt? They would become weak, lazy and degenerate.

This is same in modern world as welfare state is socialist. It makes same mindset as socialism which is to become entitled leach. This is why people on left who believe in thing like welfare state keep expecting more.

You have to understand, nowhere in Europe has what you understand as a right wing. IMO only the British have an American style right, of free enterprise and smallish government. Everyone else is either Gommunist or some weird social contract like Denmark or Austria. Maybe it's an Anglo thing.

It's like Switzerland. Americans think it's some right wing paradise. Try and set up a business there. Or do anything, really. It's just rules and regulations central. I once had a court date in Italy. It took five months to process. In England it would take five minutes.

EU is a bearuacratic hellhole like the USSR but they don't spend money on spaceships, nukes and weapons so the money isn't running out fast.

It was only better because you had the basics. In terms of mindset and sustainability, it was as bad as current system. Only sustainable system is survival of the fittest which is system that served us for most of human existence.

come to hungary its already abolished here. if you dont work you have to pay for the hospital. but how can you if you dont work eh?? you only get money if your worked minimum 2 year and you loose your job than you get 6 month money for searching new job.

This is an apt descripton. The systems limps forward on the few who actually work, because they are very motivated. The rest just vegetates from day to day doing bare minimum because why bother.

If hitler won, then at least after the initial idiocy 'hurr durr kil all non aryans' the system would degenerate and proper democracy would be achieved. With commies at the helm - stuff always goes to shit.

>would you want it back
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Communism was a weird system. It wasn't that bad considering the fact, how the West looks like nowadays.

>IMO only the British have an American style right
You mean Conservative Party? UKIP?

if you had to choose between having a communism or your nation being slowly replaced by niggers, what would you choose?

Stalinism ended in the 50s

>if you had to choose between having a communism or your nation being slowly replaced by niggers, what would you choose?

That's a pretty unrealistic choice either way. Communism is not achievable and we've been resisting niggers pretty damn hard.

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it was shit and we don't want it back but EU is doing everything they can to become EUSSR so that's why entire population of V4 bitches like there's no tomorrow while westcucks who have no past experience embrace it with naive happiness like we did with russians in past just to get monstrously buttfucked

its sad you got steamrolled like sucks cucks. you could have been cool like finland. but your men had no honor

it really depends on the era we are talking about. 1948-69 was an era when a lot of people actually believed in communism and they were trying to build a new better world. It has its price as there was a lot of injustice while this new order was established. People were losing their wealth and a lot of people ended up in prison. There were bad apples in communist party and somehow the system was really corrupted. Later on after Soviet invasion it went all to shit. It pretty much turned into the bleak communist shithole Western people usually imagine. The worst people stayed on top and the rest of us lived in this shit country they were creating. On the other hand it was a lot less stressful. You had your job guaranteed and there was not a lot of pressure there. The West was however so advanced that in comparison a lot of people started to get jealous and wanted to have more for them and their children.

like what the fukk is the diff? did you saw moscow or any other russian city? its full of tajik,checen and all other central asian. central europe isolated so we dont get migrants but for russia everyone was/is a comrade ... no matter if you chechen ,üzbeg or whatever.. for fommunist everyone is who with the is a fukin comrad...

>no crime

Not true. There was crime just like everywhere else. There was no organized crime, so no mob, but other shit - just like everywhere else.

>, no unemployment

Technically speaking, true, but this was due to forced employment - that is, industries were forced to employ everyone who filed a resume. This led to massive overemplyoment and very poor efficiency.

There was a saying in poland, which paraphrased was "Wether you work or lay, you get 2k" - lay, as in, do nothing.

>, healthcare for everyone.

Very poor quality health care. On the level of the 60-70ties when communism fell in 1989.

The people were ready to fight, but our government allowed 80,000 soviet soldiers to simply march in so there was nothing to do.

Plombir is fucking amazing. I still buy it from Russian stores here.

Russia is a lost cause. It has been ravaged by its rulers for so long, that their national psyche is literally 'get drunk, do stupind shit, die'. It is a nation with a broken moral spine.

Well, both of you guys clearly have different experiences.

Both.

Taxes are legal to avoid here. No income tax until you earn over £12k. No property tax on owned property. No land tax. Low business rates. Private banking and anonymous business ownership. Big cars.

Goods are expensive but the wages are good too. The minorities suck but the economic structure is closer to small government and free enterprise than anywhere else in Yuroland aside from Monaco and the like.