Why is libertarianism dying?

What happened?

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Because many libertarians are outgrowing it cuz its retarded. Many ex-libertarians are moving towards ethnonationalism/traditionalism, especially after the disappointment that was Johnson.

collectivism is more fashionnable these days

is it really? those are just 3 sites. I think its growing on youtube. Molymeme and (((laura))) are quite popular.

ron paul got old. meanwhile jordan peterson is the shining star of academia and the first professor to really figure out how to lecture to the internet.

The snake is tired kf step

We grew up

I'm watching one on Tucker right now. He's defending California's "sanctuary state" law because MUH FEDERALISM.

Watching Tucker Carlson right now as he talks with a proclaimed Libertarian.
Its fucking sad seeing that Libertarians have to be associated with this cuck on TV.

They're learning that their meme ideology gives their enemies the freedom to invade them and overtake them while they're busy championing the free market until one day they wake up a minority in their own country and find that the vast majority of the people they imported aren't rational actors and are strictly tribal beasts that will vote away freedoms for the promise of feeding from the government tit.

It's a retarded philosophy and any halfwit can see that?

The libertarian society looks pretty radical

Black Lives Matter and the Ferguson Riots happened, and libertarians became fascists when they realized that liberty only works with civilized races.

Because the far right wackos want to punish their ill defined liberals and use excesses of so called law and order to do so.

Because they're pussies

Mad Max is fucking awesome though.

I subscribe to Ron Paul on jewbook. He's basically washed up and just whines about things should be. He's rather impotent when it comes to societal influence at this point.

We grew up and realized the free market is bullshit

People got redpilled on societal degeneracy and realized Libertarianism would only turn a blind eye to that. A large number of the people who used to say 'lol who cares what two consenting adults do in their bedroom :)' don't say that anymore

because conservatives finally realized it's progressivism for greedy millennials

Because they got coopted by the left and now it's filled with sjws

So wanting to keep the cash you made is greedy, and thinking that you should be compelled to surrender a portion of it with a gun to your head isn't?

Should be the biggest party in America

Just have no idea what went wrong

Recent events has shown them that Libertarianism only works when the society is degeneracy-free.

If you think that what consenting adults do behind closed doors is any of your business, you are welcome to go fuck yourself.

I used to be very libertarian but after seeing them embarrass themselves last election I left the party. Also with rise of Antifa and other far left groups, I move farther right each day.

It's not dying. Those graphs just show where interest peaked during Ron Paul's campaigns for the presidency.

There's a federal law right now that allows for the federalization of local law enforcement for carrying out federal laws. The government just needs to quit being bitches and use their power. States' rights died with the adoption of the US Constitution in 1789 anyway.

this and picking Gary Johnson over Austin Peterson is why I no longer identify as libertarian

>believing that kikes should hoard unlimited shekels

good goy

>the party is the ideology

this is a really good argument for abolishing private property

People only supported Ron Paul because of dudeweedlmao. The Libertarian party never really stood a chance.

Also these.

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We are leaderless. Our movement stalled after Ron Paul's last Presidential bid failed. The wind is in the sails of the alt-right right now, they have the edgy ideology as the mainstream libertarians have chosen to cuck to the left. I take heart in the fact that Paul and others toiled for over 40 years before getting a shot, we'll be back but for now we have weather an uncertain storm.

>Implying we wouldn't of gotten as many jokes vs another meme candidate.
Johnson was the best choice to go against a meme candidate like Trump but at the same time he wasn't a great candidate. We need more right libertarians to show up but they shouldn't turn into little bitches when they think everything is degenerate.

When jews take over your media degeneracy isn't kept behind closed doors. Libertarianism is retarded unless it's coupled with white nationalism and immigration control.

Any ideology that requires human beings to not act like human beings is destined to fail

Johnson got 7%, Diebold changed the votes.

They're all Nazis now. Including myself.

It's not. Votes for the Libertarian candidate for president have increased in all of the the last four US presidential elections. This is remarkable when you consider what a dumpster fire the US Libertarian party (as distinct from the concept) is.

this meme is dumb. you can have an ancap or anarchist society that has these values, because the people of that society entered into it by means of voting with their feet ACTUALLY GOING THERE and then signing a contract with the local lawmakers and enforcers.

that isn't ancap going to natsoc, that's called logic. anarchy is the constant state of man, but when he submits INVOLUNTARILY to an authority he is then enslaved. if he signs a contract by his own will then he is not enslaved.

how hard is this to think out.

I don't think libertarianism is dying, just these sites and that particular wave of libertarianism. I'm probably in a good position to comment on this.

I joined ronpaulforums in 2007 and have over 10,000 posts there. I can tell you that forum died for multiple reasons. First and foremost, vbulletin is just a shitty platform that didn't grow with the times. It's like using web 1.0. Second, that site is moderated by morons. There's a strong wave of groupthink republican orthodoxy there. During Rand Paul's campaigns, any attempts to criticism him for being non-libertarian were totally shut down and posters banned.

It seemed the only remaining posters were some tight clique of forum addicts who had nothing better to do, republican establishment apologists, and borderline schizo conspiracy theorists. Basically, it's not conducive to food discussion or attracting new people.

>you can have a society with hierarchy and the violence of the state in an anarchism(antihirarchy, antistate)

It's absolutely my busines when such degeneracy echos throughout society. Also you're being fooled user, this is just another case of ((them)) making us adhere to our rules which they will drop as per convenience. Yesterday they made you say 'don't bother about what the other side does privately', tomorrow they will just as easily scrape away every last bit of your privacy. It was never just about fag marriage or some shit, the real game is far bigger

all these "grew up" answers are bullshit. Socialism is the ideology of entitled children, who feel they should just be given whatever they need or want at the expense of someone else who created it. You grow into Libertarianism not out of it because it demands that you earn your own value, but also protects your rights to keep what you have earned.

Libertarian thought has waned in the political mainstream because the Libertarian party is populated by closet socialist authoritarians who want social liberty but not real economic liberty. Remember when Joe Lieberman advocated that the government should have a master switch to shut down the internet "in emergencies". What sort of emergencies would silencing the communication of the masses solve other than a threat to government power. During the 2016 election the Libertarian VP candidate endorsed Hillary Clinton, one of the most anti-liberty Presidential candidates in history.

The Libertarian party has focused all of its efforts on the presidential race, which they will never win in the political climate, thinking that if they snag the presidency they can use executive power to enforce social liberties, but they will accomplish nothing on the economic or legal front that way, even if they did win, which they won't.

They need to focus on taking house and senate seats from both major parties, becoming a minority party in one or both houses that cannot force laws on its own, but can prevent either party from dominating alone, forcing compromise legislation. If Libertarians or some other small government party took just ten senate seats five each from democrats and republicans they'd swing the senate, they could force government spending, regulatory and and legal cut backs as the price of passing new legislation. They would need many more seats in the house, but the idea remains the if neither major party can reach 51% on a vote alone then they are forced to compromise with the middle.

>Because I believe in education, religion, and the importance of the institutions of civil society, and because I believe in putting my money where my mouth is, Sarah and I recently made a donation to the Birmingham (AL) Holocaust Education Center.
Jews happened.

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All forums have died off in the past five years.

People are not as much into having discussion now that they can post a few misspelled words followed by three emojis and seven hashtags on Facebook or Twitter.

>closet socialist authoritarians who want social liberty but not real economic liberty.


What economic liberty does a man born with nothing and forced to labour at more than one job just to be able to afford a roof over his head and food on his plate?

I'm sure you mean National-Socialist? No one conquers the stars to make measly pay.

mises, ronpaulforum, and lewrockwell has next to nothing in common with Johnson type "Libertarian" though. It has to be more complicated than that.

THE NIGHTRIDER, REMEMBER HIM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NIGHT SKY

demographics > economics

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Of course the real game is bigger. The rich will get richer and the poor will be poorer. The next generation will be more fucked than the current generation. In the meantime, if I want to smoke a doobie and bone the neighbor's wife, I will do so. Too many rules just tightens the noose around your neck so the rich can yank it anytime they wish.

Hierarchy is natural. It existed in Anarchist communes in France. It existed in Anarchist communes in Spain. It existed in Anarchist communes of Rojava.

Libertarianism is controlled by Jews and Jews are not popular any more

Democratic hierarchy and self management of the workers yes.

keeping their sexuality behind closed doors is the LAST THING these loudmouth LGBT activists are doing recently

(((They're))) trying but failing and revealing their nose more and more.
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That statement is incoherent.

If you are asking what liberty he has, the answer in a libertarian society is all of it, he is free to labor in an attempt to build whatever wealth or comfort he seeks. Liberty is about the right to try, not about the right to possess without trying. You have no right to the fruit of other mens labor, they might give it to you out of pity or charity, but it is not your right.

You have a right to not be restrained from your chosen pursuit by anything but physics and the rights to life and property of others individuals.

Libertarian societies are like socialist societies. They only work in small, ethnically homogeneous countries. Changing demographics and polarizing racial politics make libertarianism impossible.

Libertarians aren't as retarded as socialists though and know when to give up.

So why do the asswipes in your picture wear hoods? They should take pride in their actions.

>Liberty is about the right to try, not about the right to possess
>You have no right to the fruit of other mens labor

Agreed on both points. This is why we need to end private property and the theft of labour value from the worker by the capitalist class.

They have no right to the labor of the workers. Nor do they have the right to possess things that were not created by them.

Wealth disparity doesn't bother me desu. I grew up in a third world country and live in poverty here, but 'poverty' here is how the upper class in my country live. I can't convince you about what's really important, hopefully you'll come to that realization yourself

Libertarians turned out to be cryptofascists, just like everything always suspected. It's all NAP and muh freedom until people form trade unions, and then they fire up the helicopter rides.

Libertarians know when to compromise, thats the difference between libertarian and An-Cap. Liberatianism is "no government or laws" it's "minimalist government and laws" that protect as many rights as practical while infringing upon as few rights as practical.

also, no one forces anyone to labor except in socialist countries or other forms of dictatorship.

No one is forcing you to work shitty jobs, you are choosing because you want currency, and the ease of life that currency brings. There are other options than employment for the gain of others, you simply do not like the alternatives. An uncomfortable choice is still a choice, no one has a right to comfort or fulfilled desires.

Most people don't care what "you do in your own bedroom". The problem is with all of these degenerates is that if you give an inch, they take a mile. So it's no longer behind closed doors. They are buttfucking each other in the street and calling it a pride parade, they have a drag queen reality/contest show, every libfag propaganda machine is churning out indoctrination videos for our children. And you can't even try to silence them. I was at a family theme park recently and a friend's friend was loudly talking about all the degenerate shit she had been doing with tinder fuckboys with a few family's with young children right next to us. I asked her to maybe be more conscientious and that of course flipped her cunt switch and now I was a repressive, sexist, bigot and those kids needed to accept how she lives her shitty life.

I don't care about wealth disparity, authoritarianism just makes me have to eat more rich people's shit all day every day.

You were more than welcome to walk away.

commies are worse than libertarians, into the oven you go

They have no right to the labor or the workers, the workers choose to sell their labor you deluded child. No one in the west holds a gun to the heads of the workers and tells them to work, that is what happens in socialist/commmunist states.

The fact that the workers are willing to work for nothing rather than creating their own value is their choice, they could use their labor for their own profit solely, but it is easier and simpler to sell their labor to someone who already has capital and structure designed to exploit it to greatest effect. That is a choice, made by the vast majority of simple minded or lazy workers, who do not want to go to the mental or physical effort of designing and constructing the systems of production by which the labor of individuals can be employed to maximum effect.

Because no one wants to be associated with people who literally destory cities and call good hard working people Raycist.

Nothing happened. That's why it's dying.

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Those are left-libertarians full of Jews and feminists doing that.

Johnson was embarassing and focused on shit that didn't matter. Like weed.

At least Ron Paul looked at the big picture, "war on drugs" or "war on terrorism". Johnson was ruined when he didn't know what Aleppo is.

If you moved from liberty to statism, you're a retard.

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left-Liberalism is a gateway drug to Anarchism/Antifa.

Keep in mind Ron Paul moved most people into the republican party too. Libertarian party has little access to the ballots. I had to register republican to vote for him.

Of course I was you retarded faggot. But the 6 year old 10 feet away doesn't have the same agency that I do.

Klansmen did it to scare people in addition to just anonymity

The problem is that the most established of "establishment" libertarians have swung to co-op votes from the left rather than the right.

Just go look at the Cato institute's twitter account. I would argue anyone who actually believes in libertarianism wouldn't dare call themselves such anymore.

Pic not shown: That fat fuck who spoke naked at the libertarian convention in florida(?) and is now the face of modern libertarianism

The First Amendment can be a bitch sometimes.

Its a scam ideology push by rich.

Its advertised as the pragmatist 3rd way, as if legal weed is better than having healthcare.

It was just the bone that the rich threw out saying, "well will give up on the culture wars if you just let us keep our money"

But pragmatism for the sake of pragmatism is fucking retarded.
Its not a big mystery what we need to do to balance the budget: we have to increase taxes.

The weak minded excepted libertarianism, now the weak minded moved on to fascism because that is the default ideology of the chimp

Because just like communism it's a retarded fairy tale ideology that only works in the imagination of naive fools.

If you're older than 25 and still fall for the libertarian or communism utopic meme pills just kill yourself

Most left libertarian are not left libertarians. They're left authoritarians to naive and ignorant to understand what they're advocating. They think Libertarian sounds good so they wear it like a hat, while they makes demands against the thought, speech and property of others.

Left Libertarianism says "being a weed smoking faggot is ok even if I dislike it as long as your retardation and aids don't effect me"

the snowflake Authoritarian Socialist "Progressives" claiming to be leftlib say "I am a weed smoking faggot and I demand that affimatively approve of my lifestyle, pay for my aids treatment, buy me weed and a new phone while I scream in your face and tell you to stop judging me and having thoughts I disagree with"

t. Actual Leftist libertarian who believes that neither the state nor the individual has a right to compel social morality from individuals in a broad sense, unless that Immorality is violating the rights of others. If you disagree with someones lifestyle you have a right to tell them, and request a change, if they refuse you have a right to not associate or interact with them, all associations are voluntary. You don't have to bake that faggot a cake, he has no right to your cake, or labor, or approval, however you also have no right to tell him to not be a faggot.

Because it doesn't offer any new ideas that republicans haven't enacted into policy and has subsequently failed. Face it, capitalism isn't a great system of government, thus social programs are necessary bc there are few things that the free market does more efficiently than government. If there were truly free market capitalism the result would be anarchy and at that point, why not just be an anarchist?

Ron Paul hasn't been running for president. It's a highly individualistic ideology so getting a large number of people together on something is difficult. At the root of the idea it is a contradiction to even have a state let along participate in it. You will notice however that there are a ton of libertarians in things like crypto-currency and start up societies. They're all basically creating their own money and working out ways to secede from states. The goal isn't to gain control of the state it's to eliminate or break away from the state.

>Why is libertarianism dying?

Libertarian here.

I think part of their problem is that the conservative vs liberal divide has grown so extreme in this country that it makes it impossible to stay purely centrist which is what the libertarians have attempted to do in order to avoid offending people from the right or left.

The net effect of it all is that they're losing liberals because the liberals are moving towards socialism while Libetarians strongly oppose it.

And they're losing conservatives and (conservative leaning libertarians like myself) because they're bending over backwards to show they accept the left's "progressive" agenda of normalizing psychotic degeneracy.

For example, I've been an avid follower of Reason magazine for some time and since Trump got elected (and they got a new woman as lead editor) I've noticed their material is becoming increasingly left wing to the point of publishing articles about tranny acceptance and supporting the removal of Confederate monuments and other progressive agendas I either oppose or just don't give a fuck about.

And while I'm critical of Trump myself in many ways, it seems more and more to me that the Libertarian opposition to him isn't based on small government or individualism; but on neo liberal progressivism and I want no part of that shit show.

jewish ideology preaching the same ol bullshit that has been tried before MUH INDIVIDUALISM it doesnt fucking work.

lmao jewish shit is still jewish shit and the Johnson type "libertarian" is still libertarian open border cuck and dont even bring up fucking ancap bullshit

Because liberty is dying.

Because they realized that the only realistic chance of having any sort of libertarian society (or even just avoiding descending into Venezuela-tier commie shit hole) requires a white majority populace, so the open borders nonsense of libertarianism is shooting themselves in the foot.

Name one thing a government has implemented that has been better than the free market besides mass murder.

The free market produces better hackers and spies than the NSA for pity sake

Libertarianism isn't about utopia and anyone who tells you it is is a closest socialist pushing socialist utopian memery, whether Com/Soc or NatSoc, Utopia requires compulsion to work.

Libertarianism is about freedom of the individual to make choices, even wrong or ill advised choices. It's about freedom, including the freedom to fail, Libertarian society is about what the individual makes of it, sometimes individuals make misery.

Liberty doesn't make Utopia in the socialist, everything is free and everyone is magically happy all the time sense, quite the opposite, the libertarian ideal is a competitive struggle of efficiency and design. "May the best man win" written as a school of thought.

This post reminds me of me when I was 15

Lol it’s never been bigger. We’ve just developed better forums and avenues than ronpaulforum.geocities.com

Power corrupts, and we have such enormous amounts of power in governments hands nowadays that everyone forgets about trying to dismantle it and just wants to grab it for themselves. Dems were always open about wanting to do that. GOP always wanted to do it but put out some individual-liberty bunting to try and hide it. And now everyone else, a lot of libertarian organizations included, has succumbed.

>Most left libertarian are not left libertarians.
I'm not surprised. Most Marxists these days are not Marxists but socialists with an identity crisis that pay very lazy lip service to Marx. In fact, I don't think there are any real Marxists left at all.

Also this.

The Democrats keep importing impoverished socialists into this country and throwing hand outs at them to buy their votes the Libertarians keep supporting it because they're too damned idealistic.

I don't hate Mexicans or immigrants in general; but so long as the government is throwing the American taxpayer's money at them I don't think we should be letting them in. If we got rid of all the social programs and the people who came here took care of themselves I'd feel differently; but that's not the case and pretending that it is, is suicidal for libertarians.