Many moderates warn that radicals discredit moderate groups. Despite this, the political scientist Herbert H. Haines has argued that radicals often strengthen moderates and thus have a “positive radical flank effect”:
>“Radicals may thus provide a militant foil against which moderate strategies and demands can be redefined and normalized, i.e., responded to as ‘reasonable.’”
Haines tells an account of a white liberal moving further to the left in response to black radicalism:
>About 1953, I had my first conversation with [a southern friend] about race relations, and he and I agreed that while the Negro deserved a better chance in America, we must be careful to oppose two kinds of extremists-the NAACP and the Klu Klux Klan. In 1955, we had another conversation, and again we agreed that Negroes ought to be able to attend desegregated public schools, but that we should oppose two kinds of extremes-White Citizen’s Councils and Martin Luther King. In 1966, this same friend said to me, ‘If we could get the good whites and the good Negroes to support Martin Luther King, perhaps we could put the brakes on these SNCC and CORE people and also put a stop to this ridiculous revival of the Klu Klux Klan.’
This is how the famous Overton Window actually works, ie, "the radical flank effect". The further right the "unreasonable" militants in your movement go, the more space they create for the moderates to say "well, if you bargain with me here near the center, we can win against my fanatical cousins over there". This is also why the Left never (or rarely) critically injure their more radical counterparts. They let them run amok, and even when they're stabbing or beating people, the most you hear is a few words condemning them non-specifically for their actions. No laws are passed criminalizing the far-left. Antifa and the rest continue to do their job for the "establishment".
>Further reading:
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The scientific reason you should wear Swastikas
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Most interesting topic on Sup Forums all month, bumping for visibility.
Outstanding bread. You have convinced me to shitpost IRL. Don't worry, I live in Shitlibistan and will just tag over nigger tags.
Ok so this part seems fucking huge if true:
>This is how the famous Overton Window actually works, ie, "the radical flank effect". The further right the "unreasonable" militants in your movement go, the more space they create for the moderates to say "well, if you bargain with me here near the center, we can win against my fanatical cousins over there". This is also why the Left never (or rarely) critically injure their more radical counterparts.
Now think about the last 20 years -- hell, maybe even the last 100 years since the World Wars: the Left pushes further and further from it's "moderate center". This has to destroy it's credibility over time, meaning that the gimmick starts to fail: this in turn creates a more radicalized right wing, who collect those disaffected or harmed by the perceived "treachery" of the Leftist moderates, who fail to "reign in" their radicals. The flank effect fails if the moderate has no credible regulatory effect on the radicals. Also, the radicals might possibly win if they are aware of this and strategically discredit their moderates -- so the paradigm can shift, and the radicals can gain control over the moderates...
>the radicals might possibly win if they are aware of this and strategically discredit their moderates
How does that give the radicals more power, if you just said that they were creating their own opposition of right-wing radicals?
If the moderates look like controlled opposition, like when the far-right calls moderate conservatives "cuckservatives". Radicals justify each other's existence, so they need each other more than they need moderates.
THE SWASTIKA STANDS FOR GOD CONSCIOUSNESS!!!!!
>yes goy wear a swastika so you can be easily identified.
this
>implying you weren't identified by everything else you do online and say over the phone
Are you a time-traveler from the 1980s before we lived in a mass surveillance state?
NatSocs are centrists though, not "far-right". I guess you could call them radical centrists.
Wearing a swastika forces sjw's to check their privilege
>NatSocs are centrists
only on economics, they're far-right on everything else
anything to do with the far right is more consequential. How many Antifa demonstrations have USSR flags? Probably most of them. A few NSDAP flags were spotted in Charlottesville and international news headlines are saying it's 1933 all over again.
>A few NSDAP flags were spotted in Charlottesville and international news headlines are saying it's 1933 all over again.
It sounds like what's missing from his explanation (which is why it sounds so baseless) is the foundation upon which leftist thought is based: equality. It's a very powerful notion, one which Blacks and many Whites can relate. It's easy to understand. Since we haven't discovered exactly what intelligence is, leftists can continue to claim that there is no connectioon between race and intelligence, and intelligence and poverty, and race and temperament, and so on. Because science hasn't advanced to the point where we can bury "equality" once and for all, it continues to flourish and it's more important now than ever before as White people are finally realizing what's at stake.
"Equality", or the pursuit of it, has been at the root of a great many conflicts. It will be the fall of the west.
is that study really accurate though? How can they prove that 10 percent of Americans are Nazi sympathizers?
Well that's what "right" and "left" have traditionally meant in America, economics. The cuckservatives constantly pull the "nazis 'r leftists, their name was national SOCIALISTS" argument.
This, what would be even more effective is if we went around bashing in the heads of random civilians in the streets while we chant about how we want to devour nigger babies.
They're PRcucks.
Did Rockwell succeed?
Yes. He had much higher rates of success than every PRcuck movement out there.
If he succeeded then why aren't we living in an American NatSoc paradise?
If PRcuckery succeeded then why am I not in a Lew Rockwell painting right now?
Top this. I hope every brit/pol/ cuckie boi reads this post.
Fuck pandering, ends in being a fat toad like Hitchens.
Very interesting and has opened my eyes. Don't post this too often.
Nobody ever tried "PRcuckery". WN 1.0 failed for almost a century and for that entire duration Neo-Nazi groups and the KKK were constantly being infiltrated by feds who would LARP as extremists. I wonder why.
WN1.0 was PRcucked out the ass.
"We d..don't hate anyone! Just a white civil rights group we swear!" Total cowardice.
Boomer front morons need to go back.
Feds infiltrate all the time. They want to get you entrapped in a specific plot of violence not generalized violence.
They want you to be like WN1.0, specifically violent and rhetorically weak like you're describing the right wing needs to be now
Violence doesn't look good for PR. And the old school KKK was pretty dang violent.
Fuck... It all makes sense now. Great thread OP
I'm not telling you to be violent or anything. I said feds want to get you to conspire to commit specific acts of violence while simultaneously being PRcucked weaklings.
But let's have an objective debate on violence, bad PR is people crying about right wing violence not right wing violence taking place.
He was succeeding a bit too much perhaps. His killer grew up in juvenile prison, and after joining his group immediately started trying to turn them "more communist" and get them to do violent things, so Rockwell kicked him out. Then he assasinated Rockwell, and only got 8 years in prison. Really makes you think.
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Depends on your frame of reference. The Zebra Killings killed more whites than the KKK did blacks for m any years, even during what were considered it's "glory days."
It's funny that the controlled OP cuckservative right is fine letting "marxism" define what socialism means, considering that socialism used to mean "nationalism" -- which was how Hitler defined it -- as a "pro-society" belief, which is what nationalism is: being fanatically "for your own people". Its also a good culture jamming thing to confuse people using a word with the opposite definition, so it short-circuits their programmed responses. If you force people to ask what socialism means, you get a chance to teach them about nationalism, aka, "true socialism". Takes away the power of the Left's language.
There are more options than the extremes of "Aggressive attacking" on one end and "sanitized PR cuckery" on the other.
It is possible to be provocative, to goad someone into attacking you without being the "aggressor" yourself. We already do this quite effectively on the internet, it would be nice to see our IRL game improve as well.
That's an amazing speech. He was such a genius, it really was an unspeakable loss.
Brilliant speech.
He is right up there with Oswald Mosley and Hitler.
I don't want anybody to let up on being pro-white, because that's the basis of what the "far-right" is about. But I still don't think swastikas are conducive to a healthy movement when there's so much historical baggage attached to them, regardless of how much of it is true. You'll also be causing pointless divisions with people in your movement who don't agree with national socialism, i.e. the libertarians who make up the majority of white American conservatives.
>You'll also be causing pointless divisions with people in your movement who don't agree with national socialism, i.e. the libertarians
Libertarians and national socialists can leave each other alone, but they can never be part of the same movement. There might be a future for libertarians after Natsoc comes and "removes all the undesireables" as Hoppe would say, and creates a "covenant society". Then you might have a chance of there being a libertarian society that succeeds it, centuries down the line after the people are healthy and heterogeneous again. But Natsocs and libertarians are from two different movements.
This post fucking opened my eyes. We need anotjer Charlottesville NOW. How do we get this started?
Libertarians are hip but do not make up a majority of US conservatives by far.
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The point is not, I think, that everyone should wear swastikas but that "enough" should and that the others should refuse to punch right, using them as leverage to cajole apolitical normies to shift the overton window right and dragging it back to " strip citizenship from and deport non-whites who commit felonies" is seen as a "moderate right" position again.
>The scientific reason you should wear Swastikas
But I'm not a Nazi, Nazis are atheists.
This pretty much. There has to be an understanding between the far right and the moderates that they're both trying to move thing to the right. Currently, cuckservatives are helping to move things left. The radicals have to destroy that kind of "moderate" because those are really just leftists and cultural marxists. Like Paul Ryan et al.
>"state and race are one"
>literally allied himself with disgusting sandniggers and loved pisslam
>descendants of said sandniggers are now destroying his race and country alike
Fake quote. Also, you're most like a jew, which is basically the same thing as an atheist.
>same talking points as the DEUS VULT kike 5 seconds ago
JIDF has been alerted to this thread.
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Welcome to Weimerica
>muh JIDF
>proeeds to post irrelevant drivel of no consequence
albert speer testified in his autobiographies that hitler straight up loved pisslam because he was a nationalist faggot and thought that it would lead the germanic people to world domination. given that the catholic church would have loved to see his dethroned, this adds up perfectly.
and now, the cameljockeys are giving the germans what begets those who assist shitskins.
Seig heil
>albert speer testified blah blah
And Engels testified to all sorts of tripe, and Hoess testified that 20 gazillion were killed, and everyone lied their asses off to avoid the hangman and the firing squad after the war. And if they didn't, they were tortured until they did. You kike shills should change up your memes, you post the same identical talking points with some goon image every time. I can spot you a mile away.
tl;dr
>politics is a negotiation
>use art of the deal and ask for more than what you need up front
>filename
Those men don't look like they're laughing
Oh yeah. I used to know this and it was the reason for my troll posts. Something that happened during the election made me forget a lot of psychic warfare shit that I had learned.
Fuck man, it's true
The holocaust was a lie
Dosent take a genius to figure that out.
I completely agree, I was just spelling the background out for the board. The best tactic i've found for breaking their pre-responses goes something like this:
>nat. socialism wasn't the same thing as socialism
>"oh lemme guess, it wasn't REAL socialism??"
>No,that's the lefty excuse for failure, the 2 terms have always been fundamentally different.
>"then why does it have the world socialism in it?"
>Is 'political correctness' the same as 'correctness'? Is 'social justice' the same thing as 'justice'? Why then would you expect 'nat. socialism' to be the same as 'socialism' ?
>"..."
>Exactly. 'National' is the key descriptor here [go on to explain in more detail]
I've also found that explaining the ordeal with National Bolshevism (Strasserism) is very helpful for putting the NSDAP into context and separating ourselves from (((socialism)))
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Genius perspective. Hitler shared it, and stated that the national socialists should only build its core out of radicals. Using radical imagery is a great way of naturally weeding out the cowardly and infirm
That's because only kikes are satanic enough to laugh at "dead krauts".
Black radicalism and leftism in general was not demonized for a full century as being the absolute worst thing in human history. They didn't show piled up bodies and talk of millions of people who were killed. They didn't have the full MSM against it. This is a completely different concept and abstracts the concept of right and left as if they were in some vacuum without context. The overton window can be moved the white nationalism, not Nazi larping. You are either a shill or a fucking retard.
Mainly has to do with popular opinion and the media.
BLM is very violent but the media rarely covers it.
I am ok with the whole swatstikas but you Nazi faggots need to lay off the flag. You talk nationalism yet you want to change our flag, our national anthem, and the entirety of democracy. I like Sup Forums and I love burgerbros being patriotic with me, but if you think I am going to change my flag for "muh hitler" then actually fucking neck yourself LARPer fag
Muslims have this moderate-extremist flanking maneuver down to an instinct. They have strategic burkas come in at opportune times during protests to tend to injured anti Islamic protesters
Makes sense, I would discourage people from bringing swastika flags but I wouldn't throw out people who do. And by libertarians I really just meant they hold libertarian values, i.e. gun rights, free speech, traditional American "freedom" essentially. I wasn't referring to the disgustingly cucked libertarian party.
>They didn't have the full MSM against it.
So you don't think there are weaknesses in that fact to be exploited? Also, don't you get the principle in the OP about "the radicals making the moderates look reasonable"? By that logic, it doesn't actually backfire for radicals to push to the extreme. That's the whole idea here. The fact is, you DID have generations of media (before kikes took over the MSM) of anti-black radicalism. Kikes took over media around WW2 -- maybe 10 years later, suddenly the MSM is on the side of radical blacks. Makes you think huh?
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>Ok so this part seems fucking huge if true:
This is exactly how things work.
Watching the muzzie takeover of Europe is like watching a hundred muscles of a boa constrictor move in synergy as it envelops its prey
just wear Columbia btw
Say what you will about but I think he represents your average white American. I don't think patriotic Americans would be down with the symbolism and ideology of a 1930s German political party that was once an American enemy.
That's fair, I actually don't condone marching & waving swastikas in our current climate either.
>that might've been ok in GLRs time, but we 63% white & cucked nao, so unwise
Swastikas should be prominent on:
>internet activity
>non-rally anonymous activities
Rallies should be as professional as possible, non-aggressive and organized. (think Nordfront)
Ideally, the non-rally activities will ramp up the more perceptive of (((them))) into a frenzy (unbeknownst to the normies) and when they are seen attacking guys in white polos with tiki torches then WE will be the ones the public sympathizes with.
It goes back to pivotal point in history when the globalists gained the upper-hand. I am referring to the defeat of Joseph McCarthy and the vilification of "McCarthyism". He was exposing the communist infiltration of Hollywood and academia. When the media turned on him and basically discredited the idea of resisting Marxists in our culture, they were free to act. Hollywood turned sharply to the left - compare the movies from the 50's to those of the 60's and 70's. Academia became almost completely leftist (if not altogether Marxist). The cultural takeover was complete, and no one lifted a finger.
Notice the Orwellian finesse in which the modern Marxists have used demonizing certain ideas - rational rejection of communism and its influence in culture became the hated "McCarthyism". Any rejection of Marxist beliefs becomes bigotry and racist. The victory the Marxists enjoyed was the demonization of the idea of anti-communism in America. This has led in turn to the idea that protecting any part of traditional western culture is wrong, and must be resisted.
Antifa and the Alt-Left etc. is the direct result of this cancerous idea that our culture is not worth defending. Donald Trump is America's immune system finally reacting to this infection. He woke up many to the truth that we do not have to bend to the Marxist/SJW ideal. And this is why the Alt-Left, the Marxists, and the Democrats are fighting him with such vile intensity - he is overturning their one linchpin victory that has undermined our culture since the 1950's. Without that, they have nothing.
There's a reason they don't teach us about the Venona Papers in school, McCarthy was right all along:
en.wikipedia.org
This 100%
This is the first non goddamned worthless \pol\ thread in a week.
>PRcucking this bad
nordfront is only PRcucked because its illegal to be full Nazi there.
One idea: anyone NatSoc that uses Geo flag could commit to NatSoc flag for at least three days. Let's see if \leftypol\ spergs. Changing now.
t. Tennessean
Democracy is gay user.
With all this white nationalism hysteria I'm surprised they haven't changed their logo.
Also, fuck paying $40 for a hat.
RIGHT WING NORMALIZATION SQUADS
OVERTURN THE OVERTON WINDOW
Nordfront isn't PRcucked tho, they just don't go full 88 all the time. They still dont disavow the 88, and they call themselves "national socialist" openly.
national socialism is an economic bubble machine like the american democrat party, it will not last.
then there is the obvious problem of despotism, which got so bad in the end even his own military leadership wanted to kill him to unfuck the war he was fucking.
these are the legitimate criticisms that make you all retarded fucking LARPers or communists/socialist kikes.
the only Jew here is you
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If you are going to be NAZIS IRL, then at least be GOOD Nazis, none of this tiki torch shit or fat balding retards. Deal? It will let us be able to say "We just think the rate of immigration is too much right now for a whole host of reasons, surely you can agree with us because we are the reasonable ones"
Really? I've heard on several occasions them
referring to themselves as Nazis.
I've never heard them call themselves "nazis", but they do call themselves national socialist.
Basically become a conservative right?
We honestly couldn't have asked for better opponents to bring fascism to the forefront of society. They're doing everything we need them to do, and they ramped it up in 2017 to epic proportions
Well I have heard Nazi.
But I think they were just saying it as a joke.
Excellent thread, you are spot on.
I'd actually encourage the use of Nazi imagery just for trolling purposes. Like HWNDU when that group of people (many of whom weren't even white) help up a pizza with swastika-shaped pepperoni in front of the camera, that shit was funny. I just wouldn't encourage it in serious public demonstrations, and I don't even know if such demonstrations would even be helpful.
I almost think it would be better to just let the left continue sabotage themselves in public as we sit back and shitpost from our computer screens. People seem to be forgetting that we only started gaining traction because the left sabotaged their own PR with SJWs and the like.
Herr Chomsky agrees.
The more and more our opposition critisizes and puts down whites, the more our numbers will grow. Or at least the more resolute our members will be
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any traduction in spanish :(?
Interesting thread (for once, thank God), so radicals are in fact needed to sway people. This is a similar tactic used by Enoch Powell with his immigration debate. He would say something radical and people would question him, but he would be smart enough to do his research and slowly inch people to go further his direction. This is definitely useful information.
I'm still unsure about shitposting IRL about our power levels but we should definitely shift the people around us further to the right. I've already noticed my brother isn't a lefty anymore and is more that center-right libertarian.
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HEIL GADDAFI FUCK SIONISTAS
>not wanting US anthem to be Horst Westler Lied as the ultimate acknowledgement that Hitler was right.
APOLOGIZE!
Hola amigo español , veo que te olvidaste de escribir sionista en ingles
I know this is bait but consider the picture