Do you think the decline of Christianity has been a good or bad for the West?
Do you think the decline of Christianity has been a good or bad for the West?
Zachary Martinez
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Ayden Perez
Good for the west until the 20th century when they got lazy and allowed (((them))) to infiltrate their schools, churches, and govt.
Ian Carter
bad thing of course.
Brody Russell
Idk why anyone right of centre would consider it good, Christian or not.
Christianity was a bastion of socially conservative thought for so long that it prevented the type of morally objectable behaviour that's normal today.
I don't think the fall of Christianity is to blame though, I think that it was a symptom of the problem.
Christianity is under as much assault from globalism as Islam is. The main difference is that Western globalism/capitalism was alien to the Middle East, so they can react violently towards it.
With Western Christianity, it would be attacking a fellow "Western" value. Or what is seen as such. So by attacking it, they, and others would see it as attacking itself.
And now we have a Pope trying to actually embrace some of the values that arr alien to the Church, but have come from the Western values of liberalism and tolerance (which are just extreme forms of Christian values).
I think if the Church wants to continue and grow back its strength and reputation in the West, it will have to fully acknowledge that the West is now openly opposed to Christianity, and stand firmly by its traditional values. As much as the media and politicial class will shriek, it will be far more respected by every day men.
As is the reason that Islam continues to grow.
Hunter Fisher
How the fuck could an increase in nihilism and atheism be perceived as good by anyone?
Blake Green
Bad.
Not even baptized but it's obvious the moral decay went in turbo overdrive when people deserted the churches.
Ryder Hall
People deserted the Churches because of moral decay. Growing up in war torn neighbourhoods, gradually more and more gad to attend university, which became the catalyst for moral decay and questioning traditional social values.
Adam Allen
Can't you see for yourself? All the blatant degenacy pulling white culture to gutter is the direct result of abandoning Christianity.
Caleb Myers
fully agreed
Is smbdy doesn't belive it I recommend comparing maps of terrorism, crime, immigration, STDS etc etc with maps of religion
Matthew Wood
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Connor Stewart
my tolerance towards modern Christianity ends when it comes to the jews. I mean they killed your God, they talk shit about you constantly via their cultural monopoly. Just think about all of things you Christians hate about "secular" culture--hollywood, the media, the left, academia--they are all bastions of rabbinical group-think. However, if man never created God, then we would still be cavemen. We have the same brains, just better tools, and these tools could have only been created with the civilizing power of moral authority. so it's complicated.
Samuel Long
Christianity is what made the West great. Its decline pulls down the cultural decline of the west too.
Owen Cox
Gee I dunno, compare the moral fabic of today to the moral fabric of the 40's and 50's
Liam Kelly
Worst thing that could possibly happen
Its like a vacuum, remove the church from the state,& the synagogue of Satan will take its place
The decline of Christianity isn't the only death wound the west has
The great wars (ww1/2) have served to shatter the west irredeemably and serves to cultivate a culture of self hate,self destruction & self demonizing
Camden Jackson
Christianity produced the brilliance of art and intellectual thought of Europe for hundreds of years. Compare that to art today and the bullshit taught in universities and you decide if Christianity is good.
Zachary Garcia
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Ayden Smith
Bad
Adam Williams
Little to no difference. Fags are just more open nowadays
Matthew Rodriguez
Decline has been bad overall, but not as bad as the cumulative effects of destroying European paganism
>reminder that in 20 years the overwhelming majority of Christians will be Africans and Mestizos
Ryan Edwards
Christianity has not declined. Our societies are more Christian in values today than ever in history. Really, the last remnants of paganism that survived christianization have declined, and with it civilization has declined as well.
Jayden Rivera
>Compare that to art today and the bullshit taught in universities and you decide if Christianity is good.
That bullshit is pure distilled christcuckoldry. It all flows logically from that semitic sandnigger religion. And Christianity produced no art or intellectual thought. Neoclassical boom was responsible for art, and the only good intellectuals of Christendom were just restating classical philosophy (Aquinas for example). Christianity produced nothing of worth.
Joseph Collins
This, people need moral authorities or Europe will become like Africa or worse given few centuries.
Kevin Ortiz
We are watching the death of the west due to people embracing the will of the devil over the will of god. What made America great was faith, hard work, and taking care of our own. Liberalism is about hedonism, rejection of truth and morality. If we stay on the path of liberalism we will lose our nation and all that made us great.
Jose Rogers
Absolutely fucking terrible. The occasional god hates fags rally was slightly amusing at the worst of times, but order was kept and society flourished. Now it's degrading quicker than what can be kept up with.
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Adam Cook
>the Christ god over Zeus
Fucking Jews.
Sebastian Diaz
bad if absolute atheism takes over
good if new faiths emerge, old ones get revived somehow or philosophy becomes king again
Jose Young
Both, nothing is black and white. People these days should accept the truths of the Bible but I think that keeping a fundamentalist outlook on religion is detrimental.
Wyatt Kelly
Bad thing because Atheism is worse than Christianity. The rise of Christianity was a bad thing too though.
Adrian Fisher
...as long as it leads to accepting war is a good thing for the human race and the strong should survive coupled with intellects that advocate for rights and advancement in technology... ... then yes...
Adrian Perry
i don't think old faiths can be revived, and it makes me very sad.
Ryan Jenkins
Why would anybody worship a jew
Colton Jackson
Good.
Noah Martinez
>keeping a fundamentalist outlook on religion is detrimental
but not keeping a fundamental outlook on religion leads to theological corruption and schisming
as an example islam is around the world more fundamentalist than christianity, has not had reforms and only one major schism compared to christianity's atleast 3 and subsequent smaller ones leading to massive divisions whereas islam is mainly a 2 denomination deal
>and it makes me very sad.
but why
everything dies eventually
Nathaniel Hill
sad because there was wisdom and truth in the old myths, just as there is wisdom and truth in Christianity. I'm afraid all of that is going to be lost- we are headed for a society of deracinated brown underclass who sit around dildoing their assholes and buying things off amazon all day, forever and ever until the world is drained of resources
Josiah James
Yeah and Islam is a baby fucking desert cult.
Ethan Parker
Rot in Hell faggot.
Jaxson Gutierrez
irrelevant to the point
Jaxson Torres
Mormons will survive. They have tons of kids and the family life is far more functional then the single parent and fag households of today.
Alexander Rivera
You can't innovate Islam contradicting Qu'ran or hadiths. Sorry but the faggots are going to beheaded one way or another.
Lucas Gomez
(((hadiths)))
Jace Powell
well said
Alexander White
No it isn't, without the opportunity to reflect and revise your understanding of the divine then you are stuck in an unevolved state of archaic practice.
Alexander Morris
Bad obviously.
People who incorrectly view it as true.
Brandon Sanders
the worst thing that has ever happened
>this is what idiots believe
Leo Kelly
It was good but there was no moral system decided on in the west after its decline, it lead to a situation of political radicalization as people flocked to easy black and white political moral systems as a replacement for organized religion. It gave rise to the nazis and communists.
Wyatt Martin
Correct. At best, we can say that the only good thing Christianity did was to preserve some pagan customs, but since they destroyed even more it was overall a negative.
Leo Gonzalez
idk, i feel like this is kinda misleading. no matter what the church does; ultimately choosing any action one way or the other is going to hinder their growth.
if anything they need to actually case the upcoming demographics hand hard-sale based on their values.
for instance; its not the first time christianity has reinvented itself; or taken in alien ideals and made them their own. if they simply just go back to classical stances they will completely lose. that generation is dying, and the generations that may be sympathetic to the ideological stance in general--arent statistically religious either.
so it creates a unique vacuum so-to-speak. if they are to survive their boomer-cattle dying off, they need to create a new base or appeal to a new / large base.
otherwise they are simply going to cannibalize themselves right out of power, influence, money, and people
Matthew Hughes
Pagans are cucks. Mormons are where it's at.
Samuel Nelson
It's really hard to believe that truth would have worse consequences than fiction. Really hard.
Faggots like you who conflate nihilism and atheism make it a little harder, because as an atheist who isn't nihilistic, I'm reminded that atheism decimates religions on contact due to the dependency on religions of misrepresentations.
John Evans
if anything they need to actually case the upcoming demographics and* hard-sale based on their values
>cant type today
Noah Morales
Being an atheist who isn't nihilistic is like being and capitalist socialist.
Carter Perez
Yeah but it isn't a business, it's a religion that has sacred values, divinely inspired. Betraying longstanding values to recruit new followers is a money for a power grab is not exactly righteous.
It has changed, but it has never changed to the extent of tolerating divorce (apart from meme Protestants) and gay marriage (apart from meme CofE reigionists).
Women will admire them for changing and modern males will reshare it but none of them will ever start attending Church for it.
Orthodoxy satiafies man's thirst for superiority, because it reassures "we are better than the sinners", even if it commands them to be humble.
Julian Gonzalez
>followers is a money for a power grab is not exactly righteous.
Is a power grab for money and is not exactly righteous.
You're not the only one baka
Wyatt Jackson
but thats exactly what I mean. they are in the worst position imaginable. they arent a business, so they cant run themselves like it--as a 'public face' at least.
they cant go back to classical interpretations because that ostracizes way too much of their potential base
they cant wholly embrace new-age-neo-liberalism because its both retarded and also antithetical to most classical church doctrine
they literally have to reinvent themselves or slowly die--at least I cant see any other option for 'traditional' brick-and-mortar establishments
sure the Vatican and similar mega-church-states will be fine for a long while; but i just dont see religion--classical or otherwise--getting any resurgence without some major event happening or some overhaul / incorporation of new-age doctrine / beliefs
Noah Rogers
Bad
Check Sweden for example.They have the biggest atheist population in Europe.And they are the most cucked shithole in Europe
Coincedence?Nope.There is a spiritual gap now in Sweden and Islam has come to fill it
While countries with the most Christian population in Europe like Poland and Greece are based as fuck
Kevin Lopez
It has been a disgusting ride, and it's only going to get worse. We need christianity in our culture, something that continues it/reinvents it or we are all going to get fucked.
Thomas Baker
Very bad. The moral fabric of society now will forever warp because it does not have a solid foundation. Now we're starting to decide morality based on feelings which will lead to the most retarded forms of law known to mankind where intention doesn't matter.
Michael Cruz
>adults with imaginary friends
Ayden Perry
Good. Christianity is a lie.
Dominic Hill
Terrible. I hope Christianity sees a rebirth and fights back against growing Islam. Fuck, id be a Christian myself but they won't let you join unless you believe in the sky daddy.
Zachary Hernandez
>Reject the teachings of Jesus who denounced the Traditions of the Elders
>Replace said teachings of Jesus with the Traditions of the Elders
>Everything goes to shit
Even some retard on Sesame Street playing the One Of These Things game with Big Bird, would be able to understand that if you remove Christianity, you get Judaism in its place. You also get all the repercussions that come with it, which you now deserve.
Owen Cox
As an American, and an agnostic the question has many layers to it. On the one hand Christianity is basically opposed to Science. Itellegent design ,flat Earther, climate change are all subjects the Evangelical Christians are on the wrong side of. This crazy fringe get Thier news from one sorce ,they vote together. They are an embarrassing group of backwards people. The Jesus in them is strong: crazy strong. They need a reduction of Jesus and be intravenously fed a dose of the 21st century. Pretty sure thier strength has grown with the antiquated teachings of the Catholic Church. The CC 's greed ( prices of private schools, the land holdings, bilking of thier clientele ) ,the child molestation scandals and just all around ass backwards practices. So I don't fucking know.
Brayden Morris
Agreed, impossible position, but I do think becoming more conservative and telling the followers they have left to raise their families on the same conservative values would be the least bad course of action.
This is my main problem. I support the traditional values of Catholicism, even intolerance of homosexual lifestyles due to the fact that even just tolerance leads to degeneracy.
So I'd like to support them but at the same point I'd still be a hypocrite when it comes to man love.
Alexander Smith
Christianity laid the foundation for the current prevailing morality of self flagellation. Its decline has simply morphed it into something which looks different on the outside, but has almost identical internal logic.
Bentley Morgan
Read this, 2017 data on religion in America:
prri.org
Liam Turner
7% of millennials are gay:
prri.org
Millennials draw no distinctions between discrimination protections that should be afforded gay and lesbian people, on the one hand, and transgender people on the other. More than seven in ten (73%) millennials support legal protections against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing for gay and lesbian people. A nearly identical number (72%) of millennials say they favor these same protections for transgender people.
While no significant racial or gender differences exist on either question, there are large religious divides in support for expanding nondiscrimination legislation. Roughly eight in ten black Protestant (80%), white Catholic (82%), Hispanic Catholic (81%), religiously unaffiliated (83%), and white mainline Protestant millennials (78%) favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing. About two-thirds (66%) of Hispanic Protestant millennials also favor such laws. White evangelical Protestants are closely divided on this issue, with a slim majority (51%) favoring laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination, and 47% opposing them. Among religious groups, the pattern of opinion about non-discrimination legislation protecting transgender individuals is nearly identical.
Anthony Cox
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Carson Walker
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Carson Gray
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Daniel Wood
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Colton Gray
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Henry Reyes
White Christians now account for fewer than half of the public. Today, only 43% of Americans identify as white and Christian, and only 30% as white and Protestant. In 1976, roughly eight in ten (81%) Americans identified as white and identified with a Christian denomination, and a majority (55%) were white Protestants.
White evangelical Protestants are in decline—along with white mainline Protestants and white Catholics. White evangelical Protestants were once thought to be bucking a longer trend, but over the past decade their numbers have dropped substantially. Fewer than one in five (17%) Americans are white evangelical Protestant, but they accounted for nearly one-quarter (23%) in 2006. Over the same period, white Catholics dropped five percentage points from 16% to 11%, as have white mainline Protestants, from 18% to 13%.
Lincoln Ross
Generational differences in the ethnic and racial make-up of American Catholics also suggest that a substantial cultural shift is underway. Fewer than four in ten (36%) Catholics under the age of 30 are white, non-Hispanic, compared to a majority (52%) who are Hispanic. In contrast, more than three-quarters (76%) of Catholic seniors (age 65 or older) are white, while only 17% are Hispanic.
Demographic differences between Hispanic and white Catholics also suggest that the Hispanic Catholic community is poised to make further gains. First, Hispanic Catholics are nearly twice as likely as white Catholics to be parents of children under the age of 18 (30% vs. 16%, respectively). The discrepancy in parental status is driven largely by age differences between Hispanic Catholics and white Catholics. Second, Hispanic Catholics are more likely to have larger families: Close to three in ten (28%) Hispanic Catholic parents have at least three children under the age of 18 living at home, while 21% of white Catholic families report the same.
Although Mormons are a predominantly white Christian religious tradition, there is little evidence to suggest that they are experiencing similar declines.13 Currently, 1.9% of the public identifies as Mormon, a number identical to findings from a 2011 study of Mormons in the U.S.14
Mormons are also much younger than other white Christian religious traditions. Nearly one-quarter (23%) of Mormons are under the age of 30. Fewer than half (41%) are age 50 or older.
Ethan Bailey
White Christians stand out in that they do not have young children living at home. Nearly three-quarters of white evangelical Protestants (73%), white mainline Protestants (73%), and white Catholics (75%) do not have children under the age of 18 living at home. Roughly seven in ten Jews (71%) and Buddhists (72%), and approximately two-thirds of religiously unaffiliated Americans (68%), black Protestants (67%), and Hindus (67%), also report that they have no children living in their household. In contrast, only about half (50%) of Hispanic Catholics and Hispanic Protestants (52%) have no children in their households.
Among Americans who report living with children in their household, Mormons have by far the largest families. More than four in ten (42%) Mormon parents say they have at least three children in their household under the age of 18. Only 28% of Mormons living with children report having only one child. By comparison, fewer than one-quarter of white evangelical Protestants (24%), white mainline Protestants (23%), and white Catholics (21%) with children say they have at least three kids in their household.
Nearly three in ten (29%) Jewish parents report having at least three children in their household, although family size varies dramatically by denomination. More than six in ten (62%) Orthodox Jewish parents say they have at least three children living in their household, compared to 17% of Jewish parents who identify as Reform who say the same.
Robert Sanchez
Carson Davis
I dont understand specifically why this is directed at my previous statements; I mean, I dont personally find it edifying or mind blowing that traditional religious ideologies continue to oppose and obstruct gay rights. Thats like saying you'll be alive if youre living.
Josiah Morris
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Dominic Peterson
I just thought you might be interested in knowing exactly what the data is. This also includes interesting stats on LGBT Americans, and was released quite recently.
Aiden Butler
bad because it's been replaced with the Holocaust and Jesus was replaced with the Jews. the Jews literally killed Jesus AGAIN.
Mason Evans
Lincoln Taylor
Liam Edwards
What is your overall point with this information spamming?
Aaron Gonzalez
7% includes women. Almost all women are actually bisexual by nature, even those who claim to be lesbians.
Hudson Robinson
Literally only bad things can happen when you abandon Christ
Aiden Sanders
I think christianity wasi mportant and influent in western history
Ryan Wilson
Do you see what's going on in the world what do you think?
Andrew Taylor
I think it is fascinating. Jews are outbreeding Christians. Mormons are the only sect not in decline of Christianity. Atheism is increasing, despite Templar flags' claims. Many Americans say they are unaffiliated now, more than ever before, and Catholicism is becoming heavily Mestizo.
Fair point but I feel like 7% is an accurate representation of the data that squares with what we see in Australia:
roymorgan.com
And is a midpoint between the official Gallup figure of 4% and the 20% you get with gay-run surveys that count anything other than Kinsey 0 (ironically the same as Sup Forums does) as gay.
Evan Hill
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Jose Green
Overall, 4.3% of U.S. adults identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender, according to Gallup's latest estimate from its June 2016-June 2017 tracking data. That is up from 3.9% a year ago and 3.4% in Gallup's initial estimate in 2012.
gallup.com
10% of gays are married now.
Jaxon Cook
Ah, fair enough desu =]
Thomas Russell
Nothing good comes from abandoning Christ.
Angel Thompson
He does this on every trend about god he shareblue don't pay attention
Wyatt Gomez
fuck off faggot
Julian Williams
I can understand Mormons spreading so much due to missionaries, but why is Judaism getting larger.
Cooper Walker
Heard enough from American Christians who believe the Bible is literal in every sense but can't cite a single Bible passage to save their life.
Don't really concern myself with American Christianity for that.
Carter Phillips
He's added more than you have, regardles of whether he is killing the thread.
Michael Fisher
Orthodox have a lot of kids. Probably even more than Mormons, although the survey wasn't broken down into specific questions for Judaic denominations.
Overall, 1.5% of Americans identify as Jewish when responding to a question about their religious affiliation. However, previous research has suggested questions that frame Jewish identity in explicitly religious terms may undercount the total Jewish population because they miss those with a cultural or familial affinity. To address this issue, the survey included a question to identify those who had a cultural rather than a religious connection to their Jewish identity.3 An additional 0.8% of Americans identify as culturally but not religiously Jewish.
The issue of Jewish cultural identity has become increasingly important as younger Jews are more likely to have a cultural affinity. Among Jews under the age of 30, fewer than half (47%) identify as religiously Jewish, while a majority (53%) identify as culturally Jewish. In sharp contrast, more than three-quarters (78%) of Jewish seniors (age 65 or older) are religiously Jewish, while 22% identify as culturally Jewish.
Among all Jewish Americans—those who identify as Jewish both religiously and culturally—more identify as Reform than any other denomination. Twenty-eight percent of Jews identify as Reform, compared to 14% who identify as Conservative and 10% who identify as Orthodox. Two percent identify as Reconstructionist. Notably, more than one-third (37%) of Jewish Americans claim to be “just Jewish” when asked about their denominational affiliation. There is, however, a considerable disparity in denominational membership among Jews by age.
Cooper Parker
Depends what what kind of (((Christianity))) you are talking about. Not all Christianities are the same. If you mean like Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism, Anglicanism, and Evangelical than yes. They are scammers.
But the real Christianity of the Bible is still going strong and is growing. Churchianity is dying.
Julian Flores
The secret to Judaism and Mormonism, and why both are hated, in part, is the endogamy. Most religious Mormons and Jews only breed with other Mormons and Jews. Keeps the faith strong, and the numbers up. Does the bible even matter if nobody believes in it?
Levi Roberts
Yep.
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