My political views have developed away from the teenager leftist bluepill zone. But I've not been able to confirm my position properly between being conservative and being libertarian.
On the one hand I hate degeneracy and all those who destroy good culture and civilisation with it. On the other hand fuck some authoritarian "pick up that can" government taking away things like gun-rights and suppressing freedom.
Did anybody else on Sup Forums run in to this conundrum? How did you make up your mind and consolidate your position, and what is that position?
I mean it's pretty obvious the more freedoms you give an individual, the more likely it is that they will abuse these freedoms and fall into hedonism and decadence unless forcibly put back in line.
Kevin Jackson
>Did anybody else on Sup Forums run in to this conundrum?
I have and Anti-Degeneracy is my choice.
Oliver Bennett
Being a degenerate is a personal problem and a person is free to do that. Forcing degeneracy onto society by the means of mass media and mind control without shining a light on opposing views is wrong.
Ryder Lewis
>I've not been able to confirm my position properly between being conservative and being libertarian I know exactly how you feel, user. There truly isn't a way out.
Liam Peterson
the trick is to survive and filter out b.s.
like shit science, and africans
Brayden Fisher
if you can maintain a solid job and a family, there should no be absolutely nothing wrong with violating the "rules of anti-degeneracy" as long as your not mixing races.
Jordan Wood
you have the freedom to be normal, or the freedom to act like a degenerate and be killed
either way, it's your choice
Carter Smith
Hoppean libertarianism and Traditionalism reach the same end by different paths, that's why both are here in the glorious asshole of the internet
Thomas Cooper
This has been bothering me aswell.
Colton Bennett
somehow I think you have something bigger to worry about
Isaiah Gray
>bothering you
>genocide
the ability to tolerate is palpable
Ayden Ward
White Sharia (sand nigger sharia is cultural appropriation)
Ryder Watson
The corruption of women leads inexorably to mixing of the castes
Adam Ross
>South Africa
BOIII
*contemplates the moral structures of society and the limits thereof as nignog attempts to break open window*
Justin White
the muslims are ahead of us in this way, they rewrote the rules to keep women in line after their first civilization collapsed
Luis Jenkins
human structures have evolved to conceal but not remove the dominant/submissive superstructure placed upon us by...whatever...all we can do is try our best I feel like everyone knows that things aren't the way they should be and maybe we are being attacked by some kind of unfathomable device or being
Julian Baker
...
Cooper Gutierrez
HOPPE
Levi Williams
Tell me about him.
Wyatt Hernandez
I stopped being a Libertarian when most of them I ran into wanted open borders, but an end to the welfare state. You can have one or the other, but not both at the same time, and guess what? Most picked open borders because it was easier to accomplish and realistic. I disagree, but it's not like I have the army to make sure niggers work for their food.
I have a guns user, and around 3K rounds, with a reloading set. I'll defend rights all day, but at the end of that day, I'm fucked unless I use force to defend those rights because I can't count on people I don't know to help me defend those rights. I also know that 90% of all people fucking scram at the sound of a gunshot.
So I've gone from being a Libertarian, to a hopeful member of a right wing death squad. I used to think that people are inherently good, but no, everyone works for their own self interest. With all the degeneracy since 2000 being pushed and a muzzle being put on people like me, and not being allowed to start over somewhere else without the SPLC and ADL chasing us, I support fascism now, or at least any form that:
>sends niggers back to Africa >sends jews to Israel >sends spics back to the corrupt socialist hell holes they come from, who mostly only vote for the left here in the US >sends all LGBT people to San Francisco >sends LGBT and feminist supporters to California >gives back Hawaii to the locals >gives back all US territories to the locals >end welfare
These people only understand violence. Know that. It takes ONE of us each to take out TEN of them, and this country would be "restored" in a month.
Gavin Russell
i dont really gaf about muzzies, i just want them away from my daily life and not have to pay for their inbred children being cared for
im just a plain racist, i couldn't gaf who cares either
"George Lincoln Rockwell associated himself briefly with various groups and individuals having a conservative, patriotic orientation.
All of these were afraid to deal openly and forthrightly with the two issues that Rockwell soon came to realize were at the core of the problem: race and the Skypes.
Anti-communism wasn’t enough, he decided. One must attack not only the symptoms of the disease but its cause.
One must expose the Skypes as bearers of the communist virus, and one must also understand that the great danger posed by the Skypes is not that they generally favor leftist economic or social policies, but that they aim at destroying us through racial mixing.
By 1959 he had concluded that traditional conservatism was more of an impediment than an aid to the struggle against the Skypes, and he declared himself a National Socialist.
Actually, he declared himself a “Nazi,” began wearing a uniform with a Swastika armband, and greeted his followers with the Roman salute and a “Heil Hitler!”
This touch of Hollywood in Rockwell’s approach to revolutionary politics always was a bone of contention between him and me.
I argued that the uniforms, flags, and theatrical behavior — even the name “American Nazi Party” — made it difficult for serious people to take him seriously.
His medium got in the way of his message."
>cont
John Mitchell
"He replied that if he put away the flags and armbands, wore a business suit, and shunned theatrics, the news media would ignore him and no one would hear what he had to say.
His aim, he said, was to make people pay attention to his simple core message of the need for rebuilding a White, Jew-free America based on the principles laid down by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf.
When he had tried to present that message in a sober, serious way, no one had paid any attention to him.
The newspapers and television stations wouldn’t send reporters to his press conferences, they ignored his press releases, and the public didn’t even know he existed.
But as soon as he raised the Swastika banner, the news media went crazy and swarmed all over him. He was seen on all the TV channels and what he said was reported in the newspapers.
Yes, I answered, the theatrics get attention for you — but your message gets badly distorted.
The media try to make you look like a madman and a clown, and to a large extent they succeed.
The result is that most of the people attracted to you are losers, social outcasts, freaks. If you want to attract winners — serious, competent, idealistic people — you need a serious image.
Rockwell responded that it is the losers, the social outcasts, who make up the ranks of every revolutionary movement. They’re the ones who are available, the ones who don’t have anything to lose by becoming associated with a politically incorrect cause.
Individually they may not be very impressive but large numbers of them, organized and disciplined, would make a revolutionary army.
He had tried appealing to what I called the winners: to the teachers and professors, to the doctors and lawyers and engineers, to the writers and artists, to the businessmen and the craftsmen, to his fellow military officers, to the careful, responsible men and women with steady employment and stable families."
>cont
Nathan Moore
in a true ethno state, where i presume we are all larping about, there would be no risk of the "castes" mixing because your society would be free of anyone who isn't of similar genetics.
Brandon Butler
And he had found that while many of them agreed with him in principle, almost none had the moral courage to stand up and be counted among the righteous.
He had given speeches to groups of these people under the cover of several ostensibly conservative organizations.
They would come up after his speeches, shake his hand, and tell him they admired him for saying what they also felt.
But the merest suggestion from Rockwell to one of these people, that he ought to participate in an effort to take America back from the Skypes and their collaborators would send the fellow scurrying away in fright.
They were too comfortable, too corrupted by good living and materialism, too unaccustomed to taking risks and facing opposition.
Only in the masses, Rockwell had finally concluded, were the recruits to be found that he needed to launch a political campaign to take America back — and the masses could be reached only through the mass media.
I still had serious doubts as to whether the type of people Rockwell was attracting with his flamboyant tactics could be disciplined and used to build an effective organization, and these doubts made me hold back from a whole-hearted support of his efforts.
We collaborated on the publishing of National Socialist World and we continued to argue about other things.
I gradually found out, however, that Rockwell was dead right about the moral cowardice and the servile conventionality of the great majority of Americans.
Most of them would rather lose an arm and a leg than be suspected of thinking a politically incorrect thought, and as I worked and argued with Rockwell, my appreciation of his own courage and idealism grew.
He was a man with several talents, any one of which could have earned a comfortable living for him.
>cont
Dominic Lee
"But he was also one of those rare individuals who is wholly in contact with reality, who wholly identifies with the world around him and who, therefore, is incapable of ignoring what he recognizes as wrong.
To Rockwell, evil must be opposed; good must be upheld. To pretend that the world is other than it is was self-defeating.
To lie about it or to try to fool others about it was unthinkable.
Once his eyes were open to the Skypes and what their policies were doing to America, there was no question of keeping his mouth shut and going on about his business. He had to speak out against them.
He had to fight them.
He would fight them anywhere, anytime, under any conditions, no matter what the odds, and he would fight them with all the strength of his being.
I’m sure that if there had been just a thousand men like Rockwell in America in 1966, we’d be living in a healthy, progressive, all-White America today."
And so, user, after reading my post and seeing the opinion if Rockwell you listed, am I wrong?
I don't think so.
If anything, we agree that most people are cowards. My own roomate who redpilled me initially before I knew of Pol, wants to muslims to take over because "he would rather say 'Allah Ackbar' everyday as a crypto infidel than actually fight and kill people who lead us towards our doom, because they made that choice, not him".
Parker Walker
Bump
Henry Howard
By all means we're in a pickle in terms of the state of western civilization and it will take drastic measures to fix it. Though my concern still lies with what one does afterwards, was the french revolution a mistake? How should we handle civil liberties and freedom of expression in the future without becoming that which he hate?
Easton White
The French Revolution was a mistake in the sense that the Monarch let people rot and fester long enough that they were not only willing but able to plan, organize and sieze power to a weak monarch....where what the monarch SHOULD HAVE DONE was bring about the terror after they were beheaded BEFORE they had to worry about being put under the guillotine.
As for the US user, I believe that the Bill of Rights, being the first ten amendments to the US constitution are ALL WE NEED for rule of law at the federal level, and the states can make their own laws and constitutions around but not exceeding the limitations of the Bill of Rights.
As for degenerates and niggers that push boundaries and break laws, no more easy jail/prison environments (I work in a jail user, it's a fucking joke) and leniency in sentencing. No killer, rapist, thief or pedophile deserves to live. Summary executions for them. No more free healthcare and food inside jail at the expense of the tax paying law abiding citizen. As for drug users and those found possessing drugs? Mandatory ten years.
Jack Morales
It's not that complex. The West just needs to rediscover religion instead of preaching nihilism in academia. My university lecturer implored the class to 'explore and discover their own identity' (as a jab on Afrikaner traditionalism) which basically translates to: Please go out in the weekends and get drunk/have sex ect. He even asked who had started smoking since coming to university. This is my fucking history lecturer.
Isaac Robinson
Did you verbally and publicly ask him explicitly what he meant by that?
Julian Thompson
As evidenced by the last line of my post it was thinly veiled encouragement to go out, be degenerates and "celebrate your youth". Not surprisingly he looks like a beta cuck with a scrawny build and a patchy hipster beard. It's really the only semblance of "culture" left for young Afrikaners who feel their culture is 'poluted' with Apartheid guilt and thus all they do is do one night stands on the weekends. It hasn't translated into race mixing though, but I can't say the same for English whites. It's as if eveyone second one I see on campus is burning coal and trying to imitate a Californian accent.
Christopher Myers
Least you know who to add to the list for Day Of The Rope.
Jose Gonzalez
I got the implication, but what you should have done was ask him what that explicitly meant. Press the issue so to speak, because what did you have to lose?
Thomas Perez
This 100%.
I HIGHLY recommend keeping a log of individuals and their locations for when the day comes.
Landon Brooks
The lecture was on "Afrikaner Nationalism" and if I gave a hint of contempt for his culture bashing I would have been pointed out by the SJWs and Blacks in my class as an Apartheid apologist which can easily lead to suspension.
Camden Gutierrez
This could have also been an opportunity to call out degeneracy and make him, the beta fuckboi, look like the weak piece of shit he is so that hopefully the girls in the class would question inside their head the direction they are given by people they are paying.
Remember user, thoughts and simple circumstances make people think. They are like seeds, so don't waste them.
Jeremiah Murphy
I've done that before when I openly shat on the idea of a slutwalk as counter productive and overall in poor taste and I was hounded. My sympathisers just keep their head down and stay quiet because the university systems benefit the marxists by making it ridiculously easy to issue complains of racism/sexism.
Angel Sullivan
You CAN make reasonable arguments. I've done it before at my university, in front of the class, going so far to looking them all in the eye and saying "if I'm wrong, by all means make an argument for why I am wrong, but because you and I are PAYING money for these discussions, let's have them".
It's not hard user, and if need be there ARE lawyers and processes to go through. Being suspended or expelled is an extreme case.
On the other hand, if you are afraid to take a stand, you are contributing to us losing and are no different than my roomate I talked about above.
William James
I get it user, I do. I've been there. You should have seen the hysteria I caused when I would take bottles of water to my campus and wash away pro Bernie Sanders and Clinton chalk on mu campus sidewalks.
You are not in control of the cowardice of your peers. You control ONLY you, but people have to step up and be a beacon of hope for others, or NO ONE would be fighting this degeneracy across the world.
Ethan Cruz
Yes but I assume you live in America. We literally have an "Equality Unit" and a "Transformation Office" at our universities. It's very easy to get kicked out for wrongthink. But I admire your encouragement nonetheless.
I enjoy the conversation we're having, you're a step above most of the shitposters here.
Jason Cox
Yes OP the freedom you seek can be found in feudalism. All it will cost you is giving the local Chief Executive of the Local Corporation for Defense the right to the first night with your wife. After all, he is your boss, and he does own the land.
Chase Rogers
The only way were ever getting back to Freedom is by forcing the degenerates to face the consequences of their own degeneracy.
You can't have that with commie and equality meme running around unchecked.
Ryan Cox
kek yeah doesn't seem like the best deal.
Juan Howard
Pick up that can is good OP. Littering is already illegal anyway.
Alexander Collins
We have them in the US too user. The difference is where I am geographically located in the US puts me where I have to fight these people, but it's going to be my record, my honorable military service against the word of a hysterical 20 year old. I also have dozens of people who can right me character statements proving I'm not a racist, even if I call Laqueefa a nigger cunt (as long as I'm not recorded).
Just hang in there, but know that the people in your uni classes are your peers for life. If you can't defeat them in open debate on an issue in class and cite sources that are unconventional no matter how factual true they are, these people will be the bane of your existence for life. Try to turn the tide sooner than later.
Caleb Hughes
Thanks for the advice.
William Young
Yes I am sitting on the fence for many issues too the main being niggers. I really hate them as a whole but the phrase "kill em all" is kinda hardcore. There ARE good blacks and I find it very draining to be constantly racist, I just believe that segregation is ok.
Justin Perry
Freedom's pretty gay all things considered.
When you liberate man from the supposed tyrannies of Governments and Churches, you shackle him to the tyranny of his most base impulses.
Civilization itself sprung from regulations being placed on mankind. The state uplifted us from primitivism and barbarism. The government's duty is to instill virtue, once it stops doing that, society falls apart.
The only reason the American experiment lasted as long as it did was because of the highly religious culture of America. Sure, the State wasn't clamping down on degeneracy extremely hard, but the Church was. In a sense, the Church acted as a soft-power cultural regulatory agency in the sociopolitical sphere.
Unfortunately, look at the Church now. It's capitulated to the Left on some fronts, been pushed out of public life in others, elsewhere it's capitulated entirely. Now the only thing the Church can really do is rail against abortion and fags, and they're beginning to compromise on the gay issue.
That leaves us with the State alone, for uplifting society user. You know it's true.
Jayden Price
blacks belong in africa, they get irritable and depressed above 55deg. Its not good to keep someone in an unhealthy situation.
if they get sent back, they have somewhere to be proud of, not "reminded of slavery" everyday where they are now
Daniel Murphy
Yeah those days will never return. Besides, no one today would get into a firefight to that the alpha of the group could fuck the wife of the guy whose community is throwing lead at you from 300 yards away.
They didn't have ARs back then user.
Kevin Thompson
Problem comes with informing people that racism is quite natural and not some sort of demon that is supposed to be suppressed or defeated. Heck, it was so omnipresent until Marxists coined the term in the 30s.
Carter Price
Relevant
Bentley Clark
> between being conservative and being libertarian.
It should continually swing between as political stances and policies change as well as definitions of those terms.
David Williams
Send them back to Africa. Forced removal. This isn't a hard concept.
Besides, most of those honorable blacks sympathize with BLM, thugs like Mike Brown, and affirmative action practices.
Eli Cruz
saved
Wyatt Parker
>Do whatever you want >Do the right thing You know what to do. And no, gun control is not the right thing. Justice can and should overlap with freedom.
William Thomas
Still it's kinda unfair for some blacks. There are black cops for example that get ostracized by their community for wanting to uphold law and not be a total nigger. It's unfair for individuals like that to get lumped in with niggers. That just seems unjust for me considering I am libertarian in most aspects. Yeah I told that myself too and it is a good argument against the "based" blacks but what about people like David Clarke and Ben Carson. I am sure that they hate niggers more than the average white. Still I know these are extraordinary cases but I still have moral qualms about this. Yeah it's crazy how some ideas I believe in that I consider "not racist" are going to warrant me a shitstorm targeted against me by liberals.
Juan Russell
>fellow Goetheposter
Charles Diaz
they need good cops in africa too, would be pretty unfair to keep the best and ship the criminals away to shit the place up even worse
Isaiah Lewis
That just seems like throwing innocent cops in a fucking AIDS ridden hellhole to me. After all they are contributing to society and that's why we hate niggers as a whole the first place - they don't
Lucas Bell
Problem comes with defining these terms.
Benjamin Williams
Bamp
Benjamin Allen
A semi red pilled Irish guy wow. Fuck hozier and rubber bandits
Evan Thompson
>fag parades it's fine to be gay, you'll still bushing hell, I don't want to see it in public though
John Miller
The thing is you can find 'racism' in absolutely everything because race does fucking exist. We're programmed to see it. To go out and try to magnify each instance or even try to remove it as a concept is pretty pointless and only fuels contempt for "anti-racists". It will boil over when completely reasonable people are pushed over the edge.
Ayden Thomas
theyre cops, they thrive in shitholes
im not saying dump them 200yrds off shore and sail home, but a planned, organised withdrawal with help from the US would be a far better outcome for allinvolved than the path the US is on
even a total police state full of the criminals which over 3-4 generations could be brought to handle more respectable types can work if the will is there
Leo Sullivan
But then you have someone who needs to define what expression is bad and what is. That's not truly freedom of expression. Yes I agree fag parades are cancer but I'm just doing le old devils advocate.
Jack Sanchez
fuck the rest of it too, the most redpilled guy i know lives in a house with no roof and poaches salmon to barter with
>i stand in awe
John Clark
That's kinda sensible. If there was a program like that I'd get behind it, it's better than humanitarian aid which does fucking nothing.
Hunter Sanchez
Justice is what gives citizens the most power to exercise their freedom. If someone can hold you hostage like in somalia you don't have much freedom, you can't walk alone at night. Ideally the governments job is ensuring the citizens are as free and powerful as possible. It's the job of tradition and culture to guide us in the right direction. The government shouldn't force us to not have fag parades we should see it as socially unacceptable.
Apes are social animals and at the base level everything we do whether we admit it or not revolves around social status. Being a faggot should be shameful. I don't really care where you stick your dick, just don't throw parades about it.
Angel Rogers
I know it sounds edgy but ultimately .. fuck freedom at a certain point.
Jeremiah Gray
that aid is just pushing them into europe
when they fill europe up they'll just spread again
its humane, but not "bend over" humane
Robert Parker
Is Ireland fucked? A faggot curry eater as taoiseach etc
Austin Wilson
Freedom works fine when the country is nationalistic and there are no Jews perverting our minds through media. >see America pre 1965
Asher Wood
Men under no tyranny of the government or the church had direction and desire to create the value systems and structures of the government and the church.
Perhaps some men would be victim to their base impulses without such institutions, but one could easily argue that there are men who are woven from the same cloth as the initial law-givers, prophets, etc.
If we accept that men of that cloth still exists, are we really going to argue that free of the government and the church, all men will lack direction and be victims of impulse? Doubtful. Many will be, yet many will see their creative energies unshackled.
Do you want a society that is designed for the lowest common denominator? That is what I get out of your statement.
Aaron Richardson
Anything that is anti-communist is good enough for me citizen.
Angel Johnson
imo it was fucked in the 40's
but im a romantic, this BS roman cucks church gotta go, or the soul of the people will just disappear in the next generation or 2
whats it like with you?
>brehon law when?
Juan White
Okay, so let's MAKE them take a pledge of some sort, or some form of probation.
BUT THEY MUST MEET A SET OF QUALIFICATIONS. Such as one or multiple of the following:
>honorable military service >no criminal record >law enforcement for at least two years >high school diploma, NOT A GED >no history of welfare
Every other nigger must go.
Nathaniel Adams
There is only one true answer to your question
Isaiah Miller
>If we accept that men of that cloth still exists, are we really going to argue that free of the government and the church, all men will lack direction and be victims of impulse?
Not all men, but most.There exists a virtues ideal which we should all strive towards. One side of me says that freedom is extremely nice especially for a person who's reasonable and not a degenerate. The other side of me says because there exists people who would abuse freedoms that there should be laws in place to keep them from tearing the entire structure apart and that those who would normally not be degenerate wouldn't be bothered by such laws anyway because they would not be the ones to indulge in degeneracy even when left alone. Then again power corrupts and the government might soon abuse this legislative ability to make laws that impede on its citizens basic rights to try and monopolize it's power and thus cause a tyranny to form.
Caleb Stewart
That's good. But I am still going to support slight segregation for this kind of society. I mean those decent blacks are going to breed eventually and their kids may not be as decent. I mean it's in their blood man, Ben Carson almost stabbed his friend after a minor annoyance when he was kid.
Easton Carter
very complicated and hard to police
used to be >free >white
and even that fucked up
Dylan Moore
Freedom from degeneracy
Brandon James
You have to make it desirable for blacks to segregate or deport themselves.
Jacob Russell
Ben Carson lied about that, and almost everything else in his (((book))). He's not an example of a "decent" anything.
Carter Ward
Why would he purposefully make it look like he was a delinquent? To contrast how he "is now"?
Jordan Bennett
So what's the goddamn excuse then?
If it's in their blood, which I agree that it is, WHY NOT FORCIBLY REMOVE THEM?
Noah King
Will only happen if you stop welfare, and even then the state will have to put some sort of carrot where they're supposed to segregate themselves or travel to.
Benjamin Edwards
Don't bother defining yourself. If you fit in on Sup Forums you should try escaping into something like early modernist pschological novels. Most anons have a stong emotional inner life which makes us feel alienated in a post-modernist society. What you see on Sup Forums is just desperate individuals that try to use rational logic in order to justify their subjective state of conflict with the surrounding world. There is nothing intellectual about this movement, and you should not try to rationalize it. Everything you experience is constructed in your brain. The world is changing around you but your mental projection of what it should have been is not and this is turning you mad.
Luis Cox
You can do it lawfully. Even Rockwell thought so. Like using those billions of Aid that goes to 3rd world countries (throwing money down a pit) to compensate your non-whites if you move them to reservations or allow them to build their own country in Africa. America has 40 million blacks, and I bet half of them would prefer leaving granted financial compensation. 20 million is enough for 1 and 1/2 state as a reservation.
Aaron Cook
There is LITERALLY paper trails to weed people out based on those complications.
Again, I'm ALL FOR a nigger free society, but if you want some to stay because "dey b goode", there better be a good goddamn reason for the individuals you want to not be deported or shot, there had better be a screening process, not some half ass one that looks like US immigration screenings, and it better be known that if they fuck up a $0.50 bullet has their name on it.
Zachary Morales
>40 acres and a mule >do the math to see how much that was worth by today's standards
And how many niggers left?
Jeremiah Evans
The world isn't just "changing" it's falling apart. Yes I'm no normie by any means but it doesn't mean what I'm seeing is just some sort of spook my brain has made up.
Josiah Bailey
The problem isn't freedom exactly, it's culture. It isn't seen as a cultural cornerstone in the west to be the best person you can possibly be - it is to be happy. These two ideas are not the same. We can either be excellent in our struggles or degenerate in stagnation and complacency. This is why the west is falling - because we use our freedoms to pursue happiness rather than excel, instead of being happy because we have excelled.
