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Formally proposing that we rename DJT to
Daisuki Japanese Thread
Make 佐久良ちゃん proud...
I think Sakura represents cuckoldry.
Reminder that guide suggestions are actually being implemented now so you should go make some.
With my authority as consul I veto this motion.
You win again user. But one day you're gonna slip up.
What is the deeper meaning of this post?
I'm not giving my IP, nice try though.
You're just a regular cucksul, mate.
I wanted to learn japanese but its hard so i stopped??
There is not going to be an election so I don't see my veto power getting revoked anytime soon.
Yes? I did a lot of anki and learned many cards (not words)
I use it to learn cards I just import entire anime into it it's so すげええ
is there a full HQ rip of yan and the japanese people / "let's learn japanese" anywhere
this one faggot has upscaled 720p uploads on youtube but i'm trying to figure out if here's a native quality tv rip or if i have to look through all of youtube for the least horribly recompressed one
it's a "loanword that even a 5-year-old english speaking child would know but in kana" card
From the earth is came; to the earth it returns.
I'm surprised there isn't a purged Core version with those removed. They should at least be tagged for ease of suspension/deletion.
welp looks like I have to do this
just wen through 10 completely different uploads of the same scene, 9 from youtube and 1 from dailymotion
Without exception, only 2 were original encodes, or at least not blatant low bitrate recodes.
I'm going to be batch downloading the dailymotion playlist, then uploading it to mega.
Oh yeah, there's three playlists too.
Are nips so shit at driving that this is a common occurence in their country?
Why would you think that?
Is there a point in RTK if I'm not interested in production? Do I actually have to write shit on paper?
It's just a plain four-character compound - not streamlined enough to really imply a common occurrence. Now, if it were some compacted two-character compound with Chinese-style ordering, something like 衝車, that's the point where I'd think twice about setting foot in Japan. If it were a word made up of a single kokuji, I'd log into my investment account and make sure I'm not holding stock in any Japanese companies.
It helps you remember. Like having visited a place in person helps you make sense of it on a map.
99% of the people who use RTK seem to hate it and give up on it. Use your own judgement. It's not like you can't come back to it if you feel like you need it later.
Where do you get that number from, professor? What is your Japanese level?
I'm the Emperor.
I gave up so almost everyone gives up on it
Any more statistics straight out of your ass?
I'm not one of the ones who gave up on it. I feel like RTK actually benefited me, but people on DJT are so up their own ass about how RTK doesn't help them at all (when they're not posting about how 俺 and 日 are literally impossible to distinguish) that I try to be pragmatic about it. The reality is that most people who try RTK seem to hate it and give up to try other, more immediate methods.
RTK is shit. I cannot fathom why people still don't use the far superior KanjiDamage.
oh boy, here we go
Because it's 3edgy5me.
Are these actually any good? Do they cover much material?
user that series is from the '80s. Full HD didn't exist back then.
I said HQ, not HD.
they get about halfway through tae kim
I did them all, it's strictly for basic Japanese. Covers maybe as much as Genki.
That said, it's pretty fun, gives you practice in everything and it's almost like having a proper teacher explaining things to you without having to go through the classroom cancer. The story itself is endearing.
I'd recommend the series for any beginner so they get a basic foundation in conjugations and grammar.
I don't remember any of the material but I do remember the great character drama and romance.
Not only that, it can legitimately be a substitute for the passive listening comprehension that otaku get from anime and VNs.
For newcomers, if in doubt, use the guide's advice as a fallback if you're genuinely not sure if it's "shitpost advice" or not.
For future reference (on how to tell if something is a shitpost):
calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts -> x is better than y!!!)
uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
any mention of anime being shit, or "real Japanese"
spells it as romanji
It's pretty easy to tell at this point.
NEETbros what's your daily schedule like?
And whatever else in whatever order
How do people get rid of piss bottles? Do they flush them down the toilet or throw them in the trash can full?
Just let your mom take care of them, I don't really care how.
You dump the piss into the toilet then reseal the bottle and throw it in the trash. It's not hard.
Why would you throw it out when bottles are reusable?
Piss deteriorates most bottles, plus they start to smell and discolor after a few fill cycle.
Drink them. They're good when fermented, and the bacteria that grows inside gives you valuable nutrients.
Why is it a bad idea to use romaji?
Do I really have to learn BOTH hiragana and katakana? I heard katakana wasn't used much.
there are multiple versions of systems trying to romanize Japanese, none are exactly the same
The word Rōmaji itself should be a big hint. That - above the o indicates a long vowel sound, but if you don't know the kana in words like that, it can be confusing how to ACTUALLY spell it. For words like 大きい - is it Oki? Ookii? Ôkî? Ōkī? Another problem with this ambiguity is that ji / di / chi / zu / dzu / du will confuse you, because they're not consistent at all. And yes, some words REQUIRE you to make the distinction.
Then we get into the homophones, without kanji you would have a hard time keeping all the kaerus apart. Hashi can be both bridge and chopsticks. Hell, even if you learned just the kana, reading kana alone is typically really difficult without kanji to help aid in context.
Authors will also change the "usual" way of writing something down at random - they use katakana on certain words for emphasis (similar to how English uses italics), or to help break up a long block of hiragana, making it easier to learn. What if an ESL told you they could only read lower case letters because they never bothered to learn the capitals? It doesn't make sense.
Don't use romaji as a crutch, it very well could create problems in the long run. There is a world of resources out there and you're limiting yourself from using some of the better ones if you don't learn to read properly in the first place; you're not -really- getting ahead like you think you are.
I heard katakana wasn't used much.
It's not used much...relative to hiragana and kanji. It still shows up in nearly every sentence, retard.
Sure, after a while. But no reason not to keep them for a few months before they start to smell too bad.
try reading the post
being unable to read
Not everyone reads scifi and fantasy shit all the time, kiddo, that are full of basically English words in katakana.
In a real novel for adults, you can often go hundreds of pages before you see a foreign word written in kanas.
Read any news site, internet forum or basic conversational exchange between Japanese people and see how far you get without katakana.
Not learning 50 simple characters when you have to memorize 2000 kanji, often with different pronunciations, to reach a respectable level is retarded.
I only use Ore and Suru, because i'm too badass to show some politeness
I genuinely hope you're baiting.
Which order should I learn the Kanji in?
I heard Japanese kids only do x amount per YEAR, so how can we learn so much all at once?
Japanese kids learn the 'most useful' kanji first, not the simplest one. For instance, compare these five kanji 叱 泊 雨 雲 曜. It seems rather obvious that the first two are simple. Indeed they don't have many strokes, and they're easy to remember. On the other hand, the last three, especially the third seems harder to remember and draw.
Now compare the approximate meaning of each : to scold, to stay overnight, rain, cloud, day of the week. While being easier to retain, the first two kanji relate to more complex ideas than the last three. Just look at the kanji for day of the week (○曜日）, it really doesn't seem easy to write/remember. The complexity of a kanji doesn't necessarily relate to the idea behind it.
Yet, if you follow the way Japanese kids learn kanji, you'll learn 曜 way before 叱. But for kids, it's rather logical since they know what both words are, they only need kanji to write/read them. As an adult learning Japanese, you DON'T already know the words. However, being older, you posess abstract thinking abilities and therefore can use methods other than brute force repetition. This leads to far greater efficiency and far less frustration.
In conclusion, learning each kanji individually the way Japanese kids do it isn't a great idea overall. If you want to study kanji, either do it through Core / some form of vocabulary study, or go for a logical step progression method, like RTK, Kanji Damage or Kodansha's Learner Course.
You should all be agaru.
Is Japan going downhill?
Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1538
I'd like to remind everyone here on Sup Forums who hates generals that DJT's # is not inaccurate. DJT was literally one of the first generals to appear on Sup Forums, even before generals were a thing. The desire to discuss a given subject over a long period of time in a central location -- this desire is what has made Sup Forums's love of generals today.
Is it good, or is it bad?
I'll let you be the judge of that.
And by the way, I was here on Sup Forums both before the DJTs started and during thread #1. Everyone hated the DJTs at first, and they were saged, spammed, reviled, and even moderated. Eventually, after an overwhelming consensus by a small few who would not stop posting it, everyone gave up.
And here we stand today, not only are the DJTs allowed, they are encouraged, and the exact opposite has come to fruition: Even though DJTs have nothing to do with Sup Forums, you stand the risk of being banned if you stand out against them.
and even moderated
They should be again. These threads are full of nothing but shitposting these days.
your opinion would be invalid if it were not for that 5, however with that 5 you make a good point :^)
How is encouraging weebs to learn Japanese in an anime board a bad thing? DJT is probably the least cancerous general.
That's not even Sak. It's Mirror.
Learning is a life long process. Just keep watching anime and looking up phrases and using what you have learned so far. がんばって
I'd consider them a problem if they were like other generals on Sup Forums.
But outside of ironic "ankifu" posting, there's none of the waifu wars, autism, or fetishism that other generals experience as their fandoms begin to stagnate with ded series. There's still shitposting of course, but I don't think it's possible to escape from that no matter where you go on Sup Forums.
To be completely blunt, I honestly think that /djt/ covers one of the few subjects on this board that's relatively immune to that.
why does this language look like programming
everyone declares variables and if/else statements
no wonder they enjoy android characters
something about this english translation is fishy to me..
not working today is good?
no, not working [today] is not allowed
the meaning doesn't change much i guess but i think theres a set phrase im missing somewhere
plus im 80% sure this entire constructed is heavily slanged into なっちゃ or なくちゃ anyway
Please don't trigger my 上がり症
Can you skip work today?
No, I can't not work today.
ah cheers, thats a lot better
Yes user, a statement that someone caused an accident means that accidents are such a common occurrence. Someone also dropped a nuke from a plane, but that isn't really a common occurrence now, is it?
I don't know if these threads are getting more retarded or that people in general are getting more retarded.
you will never be a Japanese JK
mature card retention rate lower than 80%
Is handwriting in Japanese slower/faster than using the Latin alphabet or roughly the same speed?
post fucking terrible English
no one gives a shit
post not perfectly text book correct Japanese
the spergs start twitching manically
Core lists common words first, traffic accident is one of the early words.
Are you baiting or just new?
That post was close to gibberish.
It lists common newspaper words. Guess what gets reported in newspapers?
i agree 100%.
When did the autist win an finally got the OP changed? Have not been here in months.
not perfectly text book correct Japanese
spergs start twitching manically
Another word for wife, 「家内」 is often considered politically incorrect because the kanji used are "house" and "inside" which implies that wives belong in the home. Amen. (Just kidding)
Is he right? Why is it in core then?
No, he is retarded and want's to spread his shitty propaganda.
I'm not sure you understand what you're arguing about. The more accidents the more it gets reported the earlier it would be in core. His post is obviously a joke and the joke's "reasoning" is totally sound.
This post however reads like something from a legit autist. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not the same guy but just throwing in your opinion, which I suppose isn't wrong, just misplaced.
I was here shitposting the threads on day one, dude. The completely clueless idea of learning 5 kanji a day through RTK, it was laughable.
But after a few days I got bored, and then I came back a year or two later to find that the threads were no longer retarded crap parroted by people without a clue, but were reasonably competent and had the occasional bit of advice if you weren't posting like a complete retard.
But, like anything good, shitposters had to move in because I guess they get mad when anyone is actually trying to improve or a thread is relatively drama-free.
Are you fucking braindead?
however reads like something from a legit autist.
No mate, you're just legit stupid.
The more accidents the more it gets reported the earlier it would be in core.
The occurrences of the word isn't indicative of the statistics of traffic accidents, you dumb fuck. A single article about a car crash can have dozens of usages of the word, even more if it is referencing another accident. You are fucking dumb, mate. When was the last time you read a newspaper? Things tend to get repeated, a lot.
Fuck off with your "muh autism" response. It has not become the stock "u 2" response by every braindead fucker who says something stupid and ends up being ridiculed for it.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not the same guy but just throwing in your opinion, which I suppose isn't wrong, just misplaced.
Yeah, this mindset is more systematic of Autism Spectrum disorder than most of the shit in this thread, you oblivious manchild.
I'm not him.
It's not common day to day vocab, but it is extremely common in newspapers anywhere in the world, hence it appears in core early (which is based on newspaper vocab). That doesn't mean accidents happen often. Japan is a pretty safe country.
have to explain someone else's joke
people still feel the need to point out the logical flaw in said joke
I don't even
that chair when you start being able to understand bits and pieces of japanese songs that you've been listening to for years
So I sent a tweet to a Japanese artist asking for permission to see one of her r15 works, and her response was that she tried to send me a DM but I didn't have it enabled. Now that I already did, I'm not really sure of how should I tell her. ＤＭオンでした？It's that okay? If someone could help, I'd really appreciate it.
and then you realize it's just a patchwork of half-sentences thrown together
Would the word appear more or less often in core if it derived its words from a newspaper reporting an above average amount of accidents or reporting the regular amount of accidents?
Please don't bother replying if you're just gonna backpedal.
I remember when I cared about what order I needed to learn words. None of that shit matters in the long term. It's a waste of breath even talking about it.
I'm sure teaching a complete beginner words like 量子力学 is just as useful as 今日.
this desire is what has made Sup Forums's love of generals today.
There is a reason why prior to 2007 and the second eternal september, that shit like generals would not have come to light.
The reason why generals exist now is that during 2007 and 2008, Sup Forums was absolutely fucking devastated by the flood out normalfags who came in here like a zerg rush wanting to see the hip new "edgy" site that was all over the news.
And here we stand today, not only are the DJTs allowed, they are encouraged
No. Mods gave up and the redditor continued to make the thread, then when he fucked of the autists who had made this place their home, were compelled to keep it going out of routine. The only reason why mods haven't removed generals is that they are too lazy to deal with the backlash that always happens every time they take against against the whim of the insufferable manchildren who have colonised this site. There are too many of them and too few mods to fight the tide.
Even though DJTs have nothing to do with Sup Forums, you stand the risk of being banned if you stand out against them.
Mods don't give a shit about this thread. You're sooner able to spam CP in here and get away with it than on the rest of Sup Forums. Don't take lack of care as moral support. Mods don't want you here, neither does the rest of the site. The only people who want to defend generals are the cancerous spergs who have locked themselves away in them 24/7, keeping each thread alive as long as possible regardless of lack of discussion.
You're lucky Hiro cares more about getting data than what m00t cared about because while m00t was a lazy incompetent prick, Hiro knows how to run these sites and has had great financial success with them. If Hiro hated the concept of generals on Sup Forums as much as m00t did, these threads and every other general on Sup Forums would be gone, so consider yourself lucky for the moment that mods are too fucking lazy to act and that admin doesn't give a shit.
You are cancer.
It is very important actually. Starting with 10 super hard words in a row would make a lot of people quit and never look at the language again, compared to gradually increasing difficulty.
Japanese kids are taught radicals so for the most part stroke count is irrelevant.
Don't you have something better to do than complain about generals in generals all day, you sad cunt?
Yeah, I remember.
Would you mind pumping out a few more paragraphs of autismal rage for us to laugh at? Thanks in advance.
It helps in the beginning, but after you reach 1000-1500 kanji it doesn't really matter anymore.
The word is still in use, though not common. Comparing WWWJDIC frequency counts:
WWWJDIC doesn't even flag it as sensitive.
Either way, this word is worth including in a core list unless you you take your SJW'ing so seriously that that you'd intentionally leave it out in an attempt to "reform" the Japanese language by depriving gaijin students of the ability to understand words that you consider non-PC.
I am learning Japanese so I can read lots of visual novels and light novels in a few years. I love visual novels and light novels, as well as anime and manga. I hope I can become good at it so I can eventually read at a quick pace and without much trouble. Ganbare, me!
Do I look like I would have something like that?!
Can someone explain how that translates to that English line? It's Tae Kim btw. I don't get it.
Rhetoric question. Obviously the "exists" (ある) here implies possession.
I'd just use 付きました。
But I'm dumb so yeah
I prefer this over your regular kuso spam, to be honest.
There is a reason why prior to 2007 and the second eternal september
lmao you think post-2007 is as bad as eternal september? get some perspective shitstain
Depends on what he's reading. If his compelling reading consists of academic papers by an obscure Japanese physicist, then 量子力学 is going to be pretty frequent, and he might not run into 今日 even once.
Do you ever get words wrong on purpose, /djt/?
I think I liked it more when you spammed incoherent japanese.
Give it a rest, gramps. Sites like reddit and stackexchange cornered the highly specialized discussion board market, and you're now free to spend your twilight years posting shit to alt.shit.nobody.cares.about that nobody but a google bot will ever read.
Thank you. Maybe adding a little apologize because it's been like an hour since I received the message would be okay, right? And then 付きました。
Give it a rest, kid. Sites like <eight>chan and github cornered the mimetic young adult market, and you're now free to spend your anxious years posting shit to 4cha generals that nobody but a children and ESLs will ever read.
Yeah, I didn't think this through, I should have reviewed my edits before posting.
I turned off the images because I don't have time for sluts.
I don't have time for sluts.
Oh I just noticed I picked the wrong kanji, I meant 点きました
Although Rikai doesn't mention the switch on translation so I probably fucked up my conjugation
You are cancer.
Said the cancerous shitposter.
Nah, that's boring low energy shit. It shows more spirit when he actually puts in the effort to compose his thoughts on paper.
I see. But thanks again, I was really lost and in that moment I tried to form like 10000 responses in my head, but nothing made sense to me. Anyway, I already reply to her, so let's just wait!
I do it for the 彼女
From the Anki startup guide:
Some people like doing new cards separate from reviews since it makes both easier and lets you focus on them individually. If you want to do this, just set new cards per day to 0 before doing reviews, do your reviews, then set new cards to however many new cards you want to do that day.
This is bullshit. I started doing this a few days ago and my retention of new cards has dropped like a rock. Interspersing your new cards among your young and mature cards is much easier since you can tackle them one at a time that way instead of having to face a huge chunk of new words one after the other.
Do you guys do sentences in Anki too? So far I'm only doing vocab recognition in it, and was wondering if I should add sentences or just get my practice reading actual material.
The character for stop is easiest to learn as a pictograph, though you have to take a moment to see it. Take it as a rather crude drawing of a footprint: the first 3 strokes represent the front of the foot and the last the heel. The big toe (stroke 2 sticking out to the right) on the right indicates that this is a left foot.
Okay, so it's a footprint. How does that relate to stopping?
Probably related to halting your momentum by stomping the ground
he fell for the RTK meme
Just look at this fucker 止
Why would you ever have any problem remembering 4 lines
I imagined it as a walking stick and a magic wand firmly planted in the ground in the center of a magic circle. After seeing it, I stop and gaze upon it in wonder, trying to figure out what spell is being casted.
I had the opposite experience. I would get a shitload of new cards up front that would drain all my mental energy and make me miss a lot of cards I shouldn't have. Spacing them out a little has helped a lot with my retention.
What worked for me was doing new cards first instead of last.
If you're going to do sentences at all, then you'd better do them in Anki. With apps that actually check your answers, your reps will turn into living hell as you acquire vocab and style.
That said, sentences are a problem because you end up basing your answers on stuff like the layout of the words on the card, thus acquiring and strengthening knowledge that's literally useless outside of Anki.
If you're going to do sentences at all, then you'd better do them in Anki.
wrong, you use supermemo for sentences
This is the first time i've heard about supermemo. Can you explain why it's better than anki for sentences?
the tldr is that it was designed while being conscious of things that don't fall into the ideal "keyword, definition" flashcard format, including passages of text
anki is just a fixed up clone of a really old supermemo version, and it's great for things that are actually reasonable to memorize
Then wouldn't it suffer from the same problem as Anki?
At least for me, having a proper sentence as the question makes me memorize all the wrong things - nailing the answer based on the length, some words in the beginning and other irrelevant cues. Even if I make a conscious effort to read the text, it's already ogre by that time since I know the answer.
I don't see a way around this - even if you play around with the fonts, you can still nail the sentence after the first few words, like slapping a karuta card with only a few syllables having been uttered.
Then wouldn't it suffer from the same problem as Anki?
it suffers from the same fundamental problems like you listed, but it's very different from anki at this point so it'll have fewer scheduling related problems
for example supermemo lets you soft-lapse cards instead of having to explicitly choose a single lapse interval modifier for your entire deck
Does the end of the phrase means that she woke up to not wake up ?
She wants to wake her up but she just can't get herself to do it.
That's why you buy Nike bedsheets.
it means shes struggling with life choices such as getting that moe bitch outta her bed because her 顔 is even more 幸せそう than さっき
are you sure you should even be reading such complex visual games? wouldnt you be better off starting with something easier like muramasa?
So it would be a better optimized way to waste one's time on memorizing the layouts of question cards.
It's like those shitty audio samples where you key know answer before the person starts talking because you recognize the buzzing or hissing in the background. You're not learning to answer the questions, you're learning to answer a particular presentation of the questions.
Is the Rikaisama audio clip for this fucked up for anyone else? When I play the audio, I get 「こう・おん」.
(if you don't know how to play audio with rikaisama, you just hover over a word and press "f")
Actually, now that I listen again, I guess it's more like 「こ・うん」.
幸運を dude 幸運を
Pretty much, but fickle and useless truths are still worth talking about since they come back into relevance once you move into a new context.
Huh, for some reason the audio is correct for 倖せ.
The audio clip for that word is actually a different clip than the one for 幸せ.
his stories are just teaching you how to make your own
God I hate the english language, why do the names of sexual organs and areas of the body either sound lewd as fuck or stupidly childish
These fucking pictures
What's the difference between 減らす and 減る btw？They have the exact same backside and are both just 'verbs' in anki
First is transitive, second is intransitive.
減らす is transitive
I decreased the amount of dicks in my mouth (you acted upon the object)
減る is intransitive
The amount of dicks in my mouth decreased (something happened to the object on it's own)
You can generally tell the difference between transitive / intransitive pairs because the transitive one usually ends with す (回る、回す etc)
Google it for more information, it took me a decade to understand transitivity shit even though it's piss easy
す-verbs are the most regular verbs in all of japanese
ichidan verbs have causative/passive ambiguity and all other godan verbs do weird shit in front of the past tense
す verbs are perfect. す verbs are standard.
I think your explanation made it click for me. Basically, the -su guys are used when it's someone doing something, and the other is used when it happens by itself.
As a quick follow up, in the intransitive one anki uses this example sentence:
But isn't this the transitive use of it? If not, why not?
"someone opened the window" vs. "the window opened"
It can be kind of difficult to get used to since, as you can see from the above example, a lot of verbs (maybe all of them?) in English can be transitive AND intransitive depending on how you use them.
Yeah pretty much, but they don't always end with す that's just sort of a general rule, you can also tell which is which by whether が or を is used with it but that also depends on what kind of verb it is and shit
Nothing's being acted on, the train's just going to the next station on it's own, so it's intrans, if the focus was the train driver then you could have it transitive I guess
Idk I'm not like 100% sure about how it all works myself really
Are you sure it's not the nipple that stands out, anki?
I could think of something else that 出るs and feels a lot better
I'd rather it 入る personally
What's the point in using という here?
It's a sort of nominalizer, like の or こと, but generally used for more abstract shit like thoughts or opinions
you know "that" from "he said that he'd give me candy"
Took me a month to notice that it was her elbow.
anyone whos seen a real boob in their life wouldnt be fooled
I did it, I finally did it. 6000 word core deck with kana keys, it took me 15 months to flip through every card. I still have a few leeches, and some cards were stupid, so I skipped them. Also I have another deck, which is even bigger. I expect to finish that one in another 2 years or so.
That's precisely because of my neighbor that I was fooled
So you didn't even manage 15 words a day?
Wish my correct percentages looked like that, guess core words are easier to remember though
Yes, I was doing 12 words per day for the last few months to keep the number of repeats approximately constant. Keep in mind that I was studying with kana keys which makes it much harder to remember which word it is. For example there were 3 words for こうてい and I had to recall all of them.
Also I have another deck for kanji-reading which is another 15 words per day (but with kanji it's a lot easier).
Does かけら have any sort of specific meaning when referring to humans? Or is it safe to assume it always just means some generic fragments
Anyone else stuck on Tae Kim's けど/から/のに and なの sections? I want to move on but I keep on forgetting the rules for these.
It's been at least two months now.
Turn the example sentences into an Anki deck.
Make a bunch of your own sentences using those grammar constructions if they're giving you that much hassle
just skip it and dont worry about it you have fat vocab decks to get through
Nice job user.
That's terrible advice, vocabulary is useless if you don't even have a grasp of the most basic grammar
Although it's true that he shouldn't really have been stuck on that for 2 months
It's literally four vocab words
けど = but
から = from
のに = even
なの =, I tell ya what.
Because when you're watching Mongolian moving pictures, they don't show you which kanji the characters say. If you can't recall a word from kana only, there's no hope for you to recognize it when it's spoken.
mfw i didn't know you were supposed to do vocab decks AFTER finishing tae kim, not before
fuck. but hey now i can finally read along with the speakers
Are you retarded? You aren't supposed to do anything like that. You start vocab and grammar at the same time.
I've just been making flash cards for all the new vocab in each section, am I doing it wrong?
really? i was doing that the whole time but i assumed you were supposed to do it all after because i couldn't understand what was going on in the example sentences. alright then cool
I just memorized as I went along. Do whatever helps you most
The sky is dark and black.
been studying Japanese everyday for 8 years
only know about 300 words
all in hiragana
still can't remember katakana
Why even bother?
Either you're not pushing yourself hard enough or you're mentally retarded
more like skimming over things every few months
Does anybody recommend studying Jap for college.
Been unemployed for a year now since graduating with a shit degree. I'm seriously considering Jap if the social welfare in my country can cover everything including accomadation. It's a 4yr course and I'm seriously thinking about it.
Can someone tell me if it's worth putting 4yrs of my life in college again.
Why aren't there Daily Russian/French/Germany thread on Sup Forums?
Why is only Japanese language special?
Because nippon best country in world
No, not even slightly. I can't think of any countries that will pay for you to go to school for an extra 8 fucking years, you get one free lunch.
In 4 years, a course will get you to the same level that even mild self-study will achieve in 2. Step it up to moderate and you can get there in 1.
falling for the college meme twice
You can't be helped
Why would anyone want to learn those useless languages? If you care about science, learn English, if you care about literature (and by literature I mean porn games) learn Japanese. Everything else is useless.
Japanese is the best language because you can observe lawsuit imoutos in their natural form. All other languages are shit.
If you've really been studying everyday for 8 years and you only know 300 words (and all in kana) your method is shit.
inb4 fack off cellphone user
Well not really a meme from my point of view because I know someone from personal experience.
I joined in Jap class a year late when I was in secondary school and one of the lad that did it went on to choose to do a 4yr Bachelor in Jap in DCU (Dublin college in Ireland) with an erasmus to Japanland in the 3rd year. Even has a Nip gf now from looking at his fb and I bet he's completely fluent in it by now, living the dream in Japan and everything.
It's even worse for me doing a degree because I'm a poorfag and decided to cheap out by staying in my hometown doing a useless shitty degree.
I guess you're all right though, NEET's like ourselves won't last through 4yrs of hell again before commiting seppuku.
card was a leech
card was a leech
they're all fucking leeches
How do I check if I have any leeches?
I literally just got my first leech today.
I didn't know what had happened until it was too late.
I think something like 60% of my cards would be leeches at this point if I had leeches turned on.
Turn that shit off son
Leeches are pointless
I turned off the "remove from deck" thing but the little yellow box still shows up and it hurts.
You can change it so the amount of times you have to fail it is like 9999
That's a lot of 4's and 1's, user.
Do you guys have a limit to how useless a word is before deciding to not bother mining it?
been going at anki for a few months
doing a really bad job
retaining barely anything
barely doing other stuff
only skimmed OP
decide to pop back into DJT
reread the OP
Remove the review limit by going to the deck options and under the "Reviews" tab and setting "Maximum reviews/day" to 9999 (Don't be alarmed by this number, it likely won't go above 200-350 in the long run at decent retention with 20-30 new cards a day, the point is more to set it to something you'll never hit)
oh i forgot to do this
i-i'm going to do it right this time!
If it's a word I don't think I'll need I usually move on to another word. I'll learn it though if I start to see it more.*
* take advice with a grain of salt. I'm not fluent.
he doesn't just banish hard-to-remember cards to a custom deck, then review that deck seperately
I didn't even know that leeches were a thing until recently.
I know what という does, but the の nominaliser is used after it here, which I would've thought rendered one or the other redundant.
Well in that specific case I would not bother. I would just mine 潮干 and 狩る if I didn't know them already, the other meaning would hopefully be evident from the context if I would ever encounter it again
Being this much of a hipster
tfw if you started years ago you'd be fluent by now
I consider endless lists of arbitrary classifications to be science and not stamp collecting
Don't worry I started 4 years ago and I'm still shit
Nah you'd just be a lazy shit lamenting 3 years later that you could have been fluent
I'm pretty sure nearly every beginner did this at first before it was stated explicitly in the guide. がんばって！
And if you can't manage the backlog all at once, just set the review limit back down to something manageable that will let you work it down over a few days. Then set it back up to 9999.
It is redundant, but it's not incorrect. It's basically a longer form of the の nominalizer.
In the card browser there's a leech tag that you can click on to see them. If they've been suspended they'll be highlighted too.
I started over 3 years ago and now I'm able to read VNs pretty well without a text hooker and listen to Drama CDs without any translations and still know what's going on. Honestly the biggest thing is to study and use the language every day without stopping.
Can someone explain what Kanji is?
I'm going through the anki deck and getting confused.
I keep seeing all these hiragana and katakana at the top. I don't really need to remember all that do I?
korean rapping in japanese fluently
The katakana is it's on-yomi or chinese readings, for use in words like 明朗, which are usually nouns and are made up of multiple kanji
The hiragana is it's kun-yomi, japanese readings, for words like 明るい、明ける etc
You don't need to remember them in a kanji only deck, that's what vocabulary is for, kanji study is specifically so you can remember what the kanji generally means, in the case of 明 that would be something like "bright", indicating the vocab that kanji is used in are generally going to represent shit to do with being bright, but it doesn't go into the specifics of any of the actual vocabulary
why learning kanji by themselves is shit, exhibit A (assuming this isn't bait, that is)
I guess you may not have realized this, but even words written in kanji have to have sounds (or nobody would be able to communicate except through writing). Most kanji have multiple sounds, or possible "readings". That card lists first the 音読み(reading approximated from Chinese at the time it was introduced, usually used in kanji compounds) in katakana, and 訓読み(reading of the native Japanese word(s) assigned to that kanji) in hiragana - the "." denoting where the 送り仮名 starts.
For example, 明 is prononced メイ in 説明, and 明るい is pronounced あかるい
Now go read the guide, download a vocab deck, and stop making yourself look like a retard.
Kanji is the most difficult system in the world, with one pictogram for every concept ever conceived by man, plus half that many redundancies. You need to have a professorate-level education in Japanese to even understand the radicals and advanced meanings; native jap speakers can get by with rote repetitions thanks to their brains which have been folded over a thousand times. Most linguists in other parts of the world consider it impossible for non-Asians to learn Japanese, this has been confirmed in numerous studies, it is a widely held and regarded opinion even among the general populous. It takes 30 years for most people to even memorize the hiriganas and katakanas; the building blocks that kanjis are made from.
There are more readings for a single japanese kanji than there are nucleic acids in human DNA
I don't really need to remember all that do I?
No, you don't, which is why doing kanji decks is pantsu on head retarded.
You will learn the readings when you learn words which use the characters. Trying to drill every possible reading into your head using a deck like the one you are is not only extremely inefficient, but also practically useless since you can't even know which reading a word takes without looking it up anyway.
Support, not just local but also from outside should be used,
Safe places and unsafe/本音を言える places, we can only slowly provide preparation I think.
What exactly is unsafe+本音を言える, rikai is saying 本音を言える = "to be honest" but this dosent fit in context.
Alright ファム tell me if I got this right.
If I want to say "This dog is fat because it's always eating"
Microsoft IME is fucking すごい by the way.
my friend use lang-8
its free so im not a shill def not
they can help you much better
I feel like I'm finally getting the hang of it.
107 cards down
it was nothing. call me 先生 from this day forward
Please teach me the word for cat
tfw if you don't start today, you'll be complaining about the same thing 3 years from now
We shall see WHO is the true 先生.
Yes, that's the right use of から.
Though usually if you're using です you should use the ます form of verbs too so you have matching politeness levels.
Or if you want to be casual:
What is this actually from?
Can someone please upload 星界シリーズ novels in txt? The links in CoR are dead and there are no seeders on the nyaa torrent of it.
Has anyone used Tobira Gateway to Advanced Japanese?
Thoughts on it?
its literally right there on the page
Aoba Suzukaze, we meet again
for the last time
Doing lots of mental math and playing shogi exercises your mind and will help you learn japanese.
I miss this show. So much wasted potential.
it was actually real good if you "get" it
knowing japanese helps
Oh my god, they're making an anime about this shit
Time to finally read it
You need to be a crackhead to "get it".
How do I get better at listening and speaking I can read fine and all.
lol safe spaces
if you want your question answered try asking in the real japanese thread
Assuming you have limited resources, you could try italki or hellotalk, and try speaking with nips.
it was actually deliberate in everything that happened
the whole point of the show is for it to go over the heads of the unthinking mentally inactive
its the best thing maedas written since air its too bad hes in the hospital dying
I've seen that.
Anyway it's not like it's a big deal if you don't add it. When you're more fluent and you come across it as one of the only 50 words in an entire VN that you don't know you'll be more motivated to add it then.
too bad hes in the hospital dying
That's his punishment for being a giant cock.
I'm probably late to the party here, but anyway:
This is the transitive usage of the word, but the object being acted on is omitted from the sentence.
If you were to write it out, I suppose it would be:
What does 猫 mean?
It mean's "neko". The word has a large amount of uniquely Japanese nuance and is therefore impossible to translate well.
Maybe I should make some production cards. I heard they help you learn nuance.
I think your analysis might be a bit off.
should rather be translated as
"place(s) where one is able to be honest and talk about one's worries"
cat; shamisen; geisha; wheelbarrow; clay bed-warmer; bottom; submissive partner of a homosexual relationship
And if you add ちゃん?
That would mean that it's your favourite wheelbarrow.
manga と anime と vn aka 美術
sounds 芸 as hell
Nah anime is 美術 and vn is too.
Is there any good anki deck to help me deal with 憂鬱？
woah. this is fresher than a 魚 that just came out the water
I would have to 頷く
thinking of english translations the entire time
significantly faster at individual vocabulary
blue pilled my way through another day of anki
This is only useful if I wanted to listen to seiyuu radio shows, fuck the troll who told me this was the only way to go.
I do production too it's really fun to guess Japanese words that correspond to English definitions :D
Did you do production too? I heard there is only one word for wife in Japanese.
Right, because I can't recall both せめて and 少なくとも within three seconds of reading "at least". Nope, too herculean a task.
I should add a better picture to the cards to form more solid associations, I guess.
Just admit you like easy mode placebos, man.
But shouldn't it be on /jp/? I don't even watch anime.
Someone test this so I know that my remuxing worked right.
i dont want my computer to get sick so だが断るブロ
Except those words don't mean "at least" exactly like in English, you will never learn the full nuance of any word just by doing anki. Anki is a good method to speed up reading, but nothing more.
Yeah pictures are a very good way to learn you should add them to your production deck. Very good methods should be used together.
I don't even do anki anymore so I don't think you can talk about placebo here, boy. Anki is placebo mode by definition, it doesn't get better if you make it harder by doing production.
I'm going back to red pill production cards now I want that sweet LN fluency lol
it helps me read the pictures better
sugoi! konnichiwa! watashi no namae wa joodan desu! watashi wa juu kyuu sai desu! nihon to anime ga daisuki desu~~~. nihon de iktai desu! jaa ne!
sugoii nee! konichiwa watashi mo nihongo wo shaberitai desu! watashi mo anime to manga to ranobe daisuki~~ totemo daisuki~~~ namae wa tairaa desuu~ kimi no bango wa nani desuka? anime wa issho ni desuka?
Japanese, unlike you.
user, please don't bully me, I thought I would try making a post with my beginner-level Japanese for the first time and a tragic event like that could really end up damaging me in the long run.
Just post memes and you will be fine. No need to learn anything.
No wonder this thread is shit
Yeah, it was shit for 335 posts because of what was going to be on post #336
This is not a full meme yet. Use something more established to make yourself look smarter. I would suggest choosing できないあんきふ for now.
You are now intentionally conscious and mindfully willful over your current thoughts and actions.
DO YOUR REPS. YOU NO LONGER HAVE AN EXCUSE. RADICAL FREEDOM.
B-but I usually do them before I go to bed at night because I heard that such a method provides increased retention...
DO YOUR REPS.
you are now yung anda fresh like my white tshirt 真っ白だぜどんな白よりも 超輝き過ぎて目が潰れそう my white t shirt yea white t shirt
You only need to remember 2 readings: "mei" for Onyomi and "a" for Kunyomi. There are exceptions but they are similar to these two and better remembered individually. Your deck sucks because it doesn't filter out readings that never even occur in normal text.
Nah, I don't use placebo to learn languages. Thanks for the suggestion though.
how to stop thinking of english meanings of words when learning jap ones?
Does watching Japanese anime to learn Japanese actually work? How about video games? I know like 20 kanji
I'm constantly scared that I don't know even the most basic Japanese and have deluded myself into thinking I know what anything means. Almost as if I am inventing a new language. Anybody else think this?
Once you learn more you'll understand that the only pleasure to be found on this long and cold journey lies at the expense of those slighly newer than you.
put scotch tape on the corners of your eyes
Do production cards and pictures i heard it's a very good way to learn nuance
Only when I forget to take my meds i have strange feelings like this... I have invented 漢字...
Right now I'm hoping I'm just delusional and you were just saying hi
thats right im just saying はい
For me it usually only happens at night when I'm tired
Make chinese chan proud
Cool picture and cool text. Such an insightful post...
I hate 支那畜
1 year ago
Just finished よつばと the other day :D
since the mid 80s
my hair is gray nihongo i dont know how to say おまけに im ゲイ
The more important question is how ゲイ are you?
ワロタ from the ハイクオリティ・ディテール
Just do production cards it helps a lot with this stuff just don't forget to add pictures to your deck
is it true that japanese don't really know how to read until high school
Yeah those バカ野郎 can't read they are 精薄者
does it trigger anyone else when white people say ums and errs like a japanese person despite being blatantly white as FUCK
ｗｗ Turned the video off after 5 seconds
T-thanks Core. I'll make it for sure.
Slay the heretic.
is that hai or ie?
History of anime: a 日本豚 squatted down and created a 糞. Everyone started worshiping this new art form. The end.
the pause between ですが and 愚図愚図whatever the fuck whiteboy shit i literally 我慢できなかった
I want a Japanese artist gf.
Hnnnnnnng why's it so hard? Some user told me here one of his buddies did it, but it seems impossible.
I think I'm a 難聴者 now nice 発音 especially the らりるれろ
Seems like you are a deep artistic person. You shouldn't have any problem creating a 空想的 gf all that anime expertise should help you in achieving your goal
It is outside of your control.
Isn't easier to just let go?
In anime they say 諦めるな
In anime do they always have to butt into other peoples conversations to throw in their two cents?
Don't quit? Isn't that the opposite?
Core2k/6k/10k brings hope whereas the DoJG brings, well, this:
I would like to answer your question but sadly I don't watch it
if you want a 三次元日本人彼女 just hit the streets of tokyo fresh in your white t shirt and air force 1s approach any and every girl you see and say もしよかったらボクの彼女になれえこのアマァ and then re enact the わざ shown in this ビデオ
Fucking christfags, man.
cents is this like センチ aka centimeters
Do not insult the Lord.
Never mind I thought you were translating what the other guy said and that I forgot what な meant.
Sure thing Lucifer.
on Sup Forums
not thinking it's real
Christ worshipers are fiction now? I thought that was a major religion.
アニメ is 現実 馬鹿
Im trying to get more into writing, and I do a bunch of doodles of anime girls at school. But outside of that realm, Im a /sci/ guy. Dont even like science fiction, just like reading straight up science; how things work. Planning on becoming an engineer. Ive seen around 100 anime though.
At first, I thought I got to get rid of my restrictions, and be with the first girl I like. And I did end up with some girls, and we ended up liking each other, but then some time passes, and I realize, this isn't who I want to be with. And Ive already been with two science girls.
Actually, Ive tried to interact with multiple art girls, and, Im really bad at it. they were not interested in me at all.
Lots of people say you got to go with the flow. That is not me, I know what I want, and I will take it. I just got to go around a japanese college, or the streets, and search for some japanese girl drawing in a sketchpad, and when I do find one, I make my move! Never give up.
just like reading straight up science; how things work
honestly the idea of finding 1 partner is completely foolish you should just stick your dick in as much shit as possible and hang out with people while its still fun and interesting and as soon as that changes immediately move on
dont give your heart to no one bitch bro
I see, another delusional アニメ坊や.
I meant hating christfags enjoying fiction
My brain can't comprehend this.
christfags enjoying fiction
The entire point of being a christfag is that they don't think it's fiction and take it life or death seriously. They don't enjoy it, that's why the term is "god fearing", not "god enjoying".
realistically dude even if you found that girl shes not gonna want you because shes too busy chasing her dreams and isnt gonna let some idiot boy interrupt her on her path to the future
not keeping 2D separate from 3D
what asian features do people find attractive?
I meant "hating christfags for enjoying fiction"
im blind in 1 eye so i only see in 2d anyway whats the difference lol
I have a lot of christfags in my family and they enjoy it
sideways マンコs for starters with a light hint of tuna smell
a mouth that looks like a car accident inside
good at 数学
oh i forgot to mention TONS OF PUBES
No you missed the point. It's outside your control.
"Just let it go" doesn't mean "go with the flow".
It means go buy a body pillow.
Oh so you have achieved full 2d virtual-reality. That's a rare gift only 1/10000 have
I believe the number is even lower
im not really blind im just wearing a eyepatch like my favorite 2d girl so i can better understand her
finding out that i stumbled into the full 2d life was just some serendipity or whatever lmao
Yeah, no they don't user. Things you enjoy aren't done out of fear and compulsion. Drunks often rationalise their drinking in the same way, stating it is "enjoyable".
You reckon they'd pray and partake in ritualistic meetings and fallow certain arbitrary religious guidelines if "hell" didn't exist? Christianity, well, all three of those middle eastern tribal cults, are born out of fear and control. People don't "become" a part of said religion unless they buy into the fear of eternal punishment. Abrahamic religious types in the west are just a hell of a lot less dishonest about their existential cognitive dissonance than those in more sand nigger or SEA monkey located regions. Americans worship their religion in the same way they worship their politics: fear of the other.
That's about right and even if you have the ability you need to activate if first by watching a lot of animations
That sounds like a case of chuunibyou
i wear an eyepatch it helps me with my brain problems sometimes i think I'm a different person
how do you pronounce wwww
Make a retarded Japanese face (any Japanese face basically) and start laughing
how do you laugh in japanese
You don't laugh in Japanese just make a Japanese face and your autopilot will handle the situation
Nice blog post.
But can you recreate steel? I don't think so. What does your useless knowledge accomplish?
せわしい means busy
せわしない also means busy
Do production cards and you will learn the deep nuance
no they don't
Since neither of us are then, neither of us can prove that
drunks ... Stating is is "enjoyable"
I enjoy drinking
Americans worship their religion the same way they worship their politics
So they should stop politics too?
people don't buy into fear of said religion unless they buy into the fear of eternal punishment
How do I add a card to my anki?
Welp guess this thread's gunna be unusable again until this evening
I'll come back later
How would you even know what past threads have been like if you haven't been here long enough to know how to add a card to anki?
Anyone else having rikaisama troubles with the latest Firefox update?
comes to the Japanese thread to shit post
runs like hell
I do this every time too
Welp go do some anki with some ankifus meh... for crying out loud
I wanna stick my ちんぽインサイド this ジャパン犬
Is there a way to add deck to anki?
how do i put anki into the deck im already using
I can't add card to anki please tell me how
Some shitty アニメ or マンガ
What the fuck is he saying? Is this sexual or just supposed to be poetic?
so I added card to anki now how do i review it and learn it?
Is it anime? Then the first is more likely. Real literature? The second.
Anime is literature.
It's in the lyrics of Cantarella.
I'm willing to bet $50 bucks that Sakura is a completely submissive beta who gets walked on all the time irl.
yeah, i reinstalled it
if they're going to force addon signatures tho that will be my last 'update'
Definitely both then.
I'm just like the betas who can't kick out a nasty troll from their home. My motto - report and ignore.
Anime is not true literature by any means. VN may qualify as literature, but not animations.
It is. And VNs definitely aren't.
VN are a supreme art form passed down by our artistic Proto-Japanese ancestors. Anime is a cheap cartoon produced in China/Korea.
I apologise for bringing a request here. Would anyone mind clarify what ME-tan is singing on the right hand side? My grammar is not very good. I believe she's singing something like "There is nothing I don't love", but I feel like that's off a bit.
You can figure it out by yourself. There can be nothing easier than this.
Buy it in Japan they have a lot of quality literature there I'm sure you will like it as we all know light novels are literature
THINGS I LOVE
THERE'S NO SUCH THING
STRONGER THAN LOVE
THE PAIN THAT MY HEART HAS
We don't translate anime here. Next time bring some real content.
Thanks user, it makes much more sense now.
how to add deck to my cards in anki? i have premium version
You mean the iOS version?
uhh not, on pc I want to make cards and learn cards
Did anyone else become more of an asshole as you got better at Japanese? I think it gave me a superiority complex, or maybe I had one all along and it made it worse, and now I can't help but consider people who don't know any Japanese as some kind of inferior lifeform even though I don't want to.
What does 日本ちゃん here mean? It's from VN.
Yeah they are actually an inferior life form only animepeople are real people worthy of your approval
this fellow is rather easy to trigger kek
Which anime is this from? I wanna import it into anki to learn some new cards
Are the japanese secret english?
そう means so
Did you learn this in anki? Great learning tool.
No I learned it from my mystery novels.
Do you mean toilet paper (LN)?
Pretty stupid thing to feel superior about as there's really no degree of talent involved except putting the work in. Might as well feel superior about playing some shit like runescape
how to add kanji to anki and review card?
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