Democracy - Is it the way forward?

Give me a rundown on democracy. Is it really what we need? Is it simply inefficient?

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Anyone who still believes the great masses can manage themselves let alone a country are retarded.

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it's a cluster fuck

in an actual democracy the mob rules
in america guns abortion gay unions could all be made legal on Monday and be banned again every Thursday

the collapse of virtue and morality in the modern age has guaranteed that democracy cannot survive for much longer. what's even worse is that democracy was the one that destroyed virtue and morality. whatever comes next will be something we will have to survive and endure

What they're saying is:

It's dis-unifying, inefficient and people ultimately will vote against their own interests (In the bigger picture of politics).

By Mob rule it's that saying of 51% rule the other 49%

>Give me a rundown on democracy.
Its like AIDS. Democracy is terminal.

name a better system

Clerical-Fascism

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British fascism

German fascism

not just 51%
an ever changing 51% of the few voters willing to show up that day will be able to change laws on a whim with no constitutional limits

5% of voters almost always change their mind the day after the vote

what if they could actually just vote again the next day and swing it the other way

nothing is ever settled
no decision ever final
no right ever safe

I forgot about not all nations having compulsory voting, so really whoever shows up decides everything in many nations.

Representative Republic like the US was originally designed to be. The system that still exists and is used in the amending of the Constitution is by far the best and most fair system known to man. Although this does need to be protected, with scheduled check ups to make sure the system does not dilinieate from the intended processes, straying into cronyism, socialism, or totalitarianism. So Protected Representative Republic us the best.

What a dumbass, people have diverse opinions. Only reason you don't see this in fascism is because the others get taken by the secret police

Every democracy before the modern era has failed.

The modern democracies are now beginning to fail.

It seems clear that it has a maximum functional shelf life of 200-300 years.

Time to give the imperial republic model about fair shake, I think. Rome was better than Greece - let's see how an Imperial States of America would be.

>America is ancient Athens

Voting power apportioned by wealth. In ancient Rome, top 5% had 100 votes, the prols (no property or savings) had 4, and everyone else one.

This is even in the so called "assemblies of the plebs."

Women should not vote. Nor should people who benefit more from destroying and weakening the state than strengthening it (which includes everyone on welfare).

In the Republic of Venice (lasted 700 years), the plebs couldn't vote at all.

tl;dr, Democracy tempered with oligarchy is vastly superior in preserving a state.

and that's with a concrete election day everybody knows about

in a real democracy I would expect a mechanism for the same spontaneous votes that you see in European parliaments

>votes tomorrow don't tell the opposition

how is it not?

>Everyone else had 100 votes, not one

Wrong, your more then welcome to have different opinions on how things should be running.

Just not Marxism which is retardation

I very much like this a lot. A sort of corrected, and limited democracy yet still ruled by the intelligent and the elite.

In America, we have representatives with set terms. If there's a sudden change in policy it has nothing to do with the democratic aspects of America, but the choice of the representatives.

In ancient Athens, factions would camp out and alternatively take power and reverse decisions as people got tired, lost enthusiasm, etc.

Famous example is Alcibiades given command of an invasion force to conquer Syracuse, but being recalled to be tried for war crimes only weeks later.

>America is ancient Athens
And ancient Athens lost against Sparta, and ended up the joke of many a Greek philosopher

none of that sounds far fetched for this country

we get factions of representatives camping out to block bills all the time

>America is ancient Athens
Actually America is best correlated with the Roman Republic due to similar origins, systems of government, and actions they took.

There's no correct or wrong system of government, it's all about the kind of checks in place to make sure even the worst case scenarios can be avoided.
A monarchy can work as long as there are counterbalances for shitty/selfish kings and corrupt management.
A democracy can work as long as there are counterbalances for shitty/selfish voters and corrupt management.
The exception is communism or any kind of extreme socialism, seriously stop that shit it doesn't work.

though I've stated several negative points of democracy
this guy is right

Yeah, in 1000 years people we'll be mocked for universal equal suffrage. It is a patently absurd idea.

Communism is an oligarchy / dictatorship with a degenerate religion.

I think you're touching on what the Greeks found through trial and error - we need to find a way to maximize the advantages of the three types by combining them.

Modern states are far too democratic.

something Churchil something worst thing we've tried except all the other shitty forms of government

A republic is a good middle ground between a libertarian and authoritarian system, as it allows for representation of all, and leaves governance to a handful of potentially qualified people. making fundamental changes in one direction or the other won't really improve anything, the balance of power is what makes it a successful foundation for the social contract

The procedure of the houses prevents what I'm describing.

As an example, one day the Democrats would agree to "swam" the assembly and pass universal healthcare 1000-50.

A week later, the democrats become bored and the Republicans repeal it 800-400.

Then it comes down to which side is more committed.

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It's really all about assuming the worst out of people and never leave anything to trust.
Take the current voting system in a democracy, everyone gets to vote and there's no "integrity" check on that vote because we trusted people would always choose based at least on their own interest.
The result is that now more than half the population are trained monkeys by the media, most people don't even know the agenda of the candidate they're voting for and politics has become more of a faith based religion than a rational decision based on personal experience.
Hilary had jack shit as a political platform, she was a yesman puppet with the charisma of grandma and she still won the popular vote because the GODS of media declared that if you didn't vote for her you'd burn in hell as a racist and misogynist.

It's sad reactionaries from a hundred years ago are more on point then any conservative or Libertarian today.