I have fallen in love.
Also fuck the True ending, Good ending is canon for me
I have fallen in love.
Also fuck the True ending, Good ending is canon for me
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Great taste OP. She is by far best TM girl.
What's the anime?
arcueid isn't in an anime user
Seriously, it's been a while since I was invested in a Typemoon character. Arcueid has such a great personality that she easily beats every other Typemoon character that I've seen so far.
This is a Manga then?
Every ending is canon OP.
Specially Ciel's good ending.
Please Cut along dotted line
- - - - - - your - waifu - - - - - - - -
Her redesign is better.
Turkkeyhandle anime when?
Anyone want to Melty?
What happens in the True ending, I only read the Good ending and called it a day
Can you host?
Room is up, name is Sup Forums.
All I see is a room named ``oppai''.
That's weird since I can't see that room.
She used up too much power in the Roa fight so she has to go to sleep forever to prevent herself from going crazy and sucking blood. She shows up at Shiki's school and tells him. The end.
I'm just going to forget your post and be content with the Happy end like OP
You mean true ending? Because ciel doesn't deserved happy ending. NTR ending the best for her
My bad, i read specially as except
Were Kohaku's actions justified?
No, but I can't really blame her for wanting revenge.
I don't know
What I do know is that I prefer Hisui over her ;_;
Ironically Hisui's Good Ending is one of the better endings for Kohaku because she gets a fresh start
How is that ironic? It would be a pretty shit "good" end for Hisui if her beloved sister got screwed over.
If you're thinking about it like that, Hisui kinda did get screwed over. She has to watch over her now childlike sister while also keeping their past a secret when she should be busy getting the Shiki dick like the Good in Good Ending implies.
Also fuck the True ending, Good ending is canon for me
Multiverse aside, shouldn't Arc be "canon" hanging out with Shiki anyway? Because the real parts of Kagetsu Tohya have her around.
Manga ending is best ending
Even if it's a copy of Lunar 2's.
The shittiest thing about her true ending is how easily they could explain it away if they wanted. Arc could literally show up whenever and be like "oh I slept long enough I'm better now" and you would pretty much be unable to dispute it.
Jokes on you the manga is superior to the near side routes.
when you re-remember the truck ingame only the cat is there and not arcuied, it is possible even the opening is more cat drugs.
Uh no. Arc is the one that shows up to see Shiki at the hospital on the ending of the game. Shiki even promises to go with her on the summer festival.
Read the manga. The author makes a continuation where
Shiki comes and breaks her out of the castle she's hibernating in and wakes her up
You're forgetting about the True True End.
Why the fuck would anyone do that?
Kagetsu Tohya continues from Good End
It's Tsukihime. It has an anime but people pretend it doesn't exist because it wasn't a great adaptation of the original visual novel.
Be mad TM fags.
Also, look at my picture.
Yeah. The manga is called Shingetsutan Tsukihime, and it's an adaption of a visual novel.
I would die happy if Kagetsu had a remake with as much content as f/ha
holy shit, I didn't know you could do that.
I've been saving the images to my computer, opening a new tab, and then uploading them to google.
So many minutes of my life I'll never get back...
Holy shit son, you have problems. Reverse image search is even on the damn right click menu.
Church girls take it up the butt.
Do what you will with that fact.
thats why you should READ FAQ.......
I dunno what kind of true end you are watching.
But a cat is fine, too.
Isn't it sad...?
when she reaches the unreachable dream
I read manga only and sometimes watch anime. Do the manga and VN compare well? One far better than other? Probably will read it either way.
HA HA HA
Saber blows Arc completely out of the water. She is so much better it's not even funny.
Go to bed, Takeuchi.
Meh she's not that cute
Arcueid is great, but I prefer Ciel too.
What sorcery is this?
Lurk more, read the rules/faq.
It's just a visual illusion you idiots.
Time to drop some hot opinions
arc > hisui > ciel > kohaku > akiha
HOWEVER, actual routes go more like
ciel > hisui > akiha > arc > kohaku
making hisui overall the best girl
I have never understood the difference between true/good endings
literally nothing changes between the two that would point to arc being more wounded, the only thing that changes what ending you get is picking which of two very similar responses shiki has after everything has calmed back down
Good end is fuck everything I want a happy ever after.
Arc that high
Here's some hot opinions of my own.
Ciel > Len > Kohaku > Akiha > Hisui > Arc
Ciel > Len > Akiha > Hisui > Arc >>>> Kohaku
pretty good taste
Ciel > Hisui > Arc > Kohaku >>>>>> Akiha
Ciel > Hisui > Akiha > Arc > Kohaku
I've never seen an opinion as shit as this before, congrats
Arc = Hisui > Akiha = Kohaku > Ciel
Kohaku > Akiha = Hisui > Arc > Ciel
It all makes sense now
Combining the worst girls get you a best girl
I hope you mean Sakura
How did everything go so wrong starting at 2012?
It stopped looking like a 90s character design
you cant have her! shes my waifu!
Rin and Akiha could almost be sisters.
no. fuck her.
2012 and on is just fucking awful
Takeuchi ruined her
we are all saber now
I was thinking the exact same thing the first time I read f/sn
"But I don't want to be Saber", said Alice.
I think I once saw Touko making out with her.
Go read Kagetsu Tohya faggot, that's where true best girl is.
caring about Dirty Red
best girl is a plot device
Dirty Red has the right idea though. If you can go both ways, you'll never get disappointed with regards to bed partners.
Her 623C hotbox is fucked enough for it
Also fuck the True ending,
Read the manga epilogue. They are reunited again after the True ending.
Akiha is no where as bitchy as Rin.
Is tsukuhime worth playing, played the fate vn's.
play it and find out
heard lots of people say that its outdated, but i guess i will give it ago.
Yeah it is. a lot of fate character design comes from here and if you enjoyed heaven's feel route this is similar and just as good, if not better
Akiha never had to deal with Sword Autism.
this is my new waifu
i'm finally playing umineko with the old sprites, i don't think VNs can really be "outdated"
i heard that they were gonna remake it, so i was gonna wait. But may aswell give it ago.
Best subs for carnival phantasm?
Sadly, Hollow was just more content period than KT even taking out the minigames, because the characters were actually friendly with each other and enhance their story together. Whereas Tsukihime has such a cast that is more self contained, the girls are mostly to themselves and antagonistic with each other while the Fate girls are people you can see stand each other for more than five minutes without comedically strangling each other while Shiki sweats in the background.
It's why you hardly ever see any KT doujins, but Hollow ones come out by the barrel. It makes for the more interesting setting.
Needing to get past so many repeated events and dialogs just to unlock flags and new scenes just feels like terrible pacing in KT
That's because it is terrible pacing.
I see where you are coming from but they took a lot of liberties in the interactions where people would have conversations when they really should be sworn enemies eg Caster. It's definitely possible you can write the tsuki characters in the same fashion. Nero, Roa and SHIKI definitely have potential to be amusing characters alongside their antagonistic qualities
It's been a while since I played KT but from what I remember most of the scenes involved just Shiki and the person he is talking to. There is great potential for the group scenarios hollow had
I swear, fanartists capture the unintentional sexiness that Sakura has better than Takeuchi ever has until recently. The overly conservative clothes were supposed to belie great curves. Why did you get it so late, Takeuchi?
user, it's because Fate is more popular. Back in the day we used to get Tsuki doujins by the barrels too.
What I find funny is that even as Sakura is finally ebing shown as the really sexy one, others like Arc and Ciel are losing a lot of their sexiness. Most official art downplays just how stacked Arc is, and Ciel has the same bust as Sakura with a much nicer ass to boot, and yet her redesign makes her look like Rin breast wise.
disliking Kohaku but liking Sakura
That's some impressive shit taste you got there.
tfw can't take Kohaku seriously and thought of her as wacky comic relief after CP, Melty, and Illya Prisma
Although it was tedious to keep skipping scenes that was the magic of KT. A one day route of many piling up choices that wind up with unexpected encounters and events. Repetition is a big part of this game so finally seeing something new as you drowsily skip is exciting and seeing the cat all over place adds to the progression.
The way you have to plan out the route to unlock things adds to the mystique of the environment Shiki is in. I unlocked the cultural festival AFTER I beat the game because getting all the scenes to unlock the option requires a whole day's worth of specific option choices. Even now I'm convinced there is some scene I have missed because the routes to get special scenes can only be gotten by a narrow set of decisions.
That's because Takeuchi can now only draw one body type, albeit with not-awful proportions
boy, what should we do with this tragic heroine who constantly acts like a mother hen
i know, make her into a mad scientist nutjob
I kinda feel like they did the same thing with Hisui when a lot of her gags come from the hypnosis
where does the hypnosis come from anyways? I'm skipping through KT for new scenes and Hisui never got any major role in the story aside from the repeated waking up scene and dinner scene.
ironically it's from Imogirisou (10 nights of dream), a side story that parodies another work and ends with Hisui doing the stupid arm moving
You're missing the picnic scene. Missing out hard user
oh yeah forgot about that
soggy sandwich with plum porridge
at least you tried, Hisui
Caster was acidic at times, but to a believable degree, and it showed a more mature side to her. Shirou acknowledged what she did and calls her on it, and she pretty much says "I have no need to do that anymore, but I would be that witch again if I had to." So it makes a believable change.
That, and in Hollow, you got a feeling of the characters progressing, something I don't really think you would get with Tsukihime. Sakura and Rin are working toward their future, and build upon their sibling relationship, yet I hardly saw the same with Kohaku and Hisui. Akiha did have some good stuff, thankfully, her and Ciel being my favorites.
Outside of a few good select scenes in KT it was like the typical fandisc, which let's be honest, had guest scenarios just like Hollow.
You could make more comedic things with the antagonists, but you have to wonder if you could have as many interesting talks without things falling apart. There was a reason they had Zouken defanged by Sakura, Gil being satisfied being a child, and Kirei staying dead. All the other antagonists were somewhat reasonable. Beyond a couple of self contained scenes in their own little bubble like you mentioned, it still pales in comparison with Hollow's potential for both comedy and intrigue.
The jist of my argument is that Fate has more believable interactive potential. Nearly every character can interact with any other character and have a sensible conversation.
Well come on, there isn't much to be done. It's not like they would bring Makihisa back as some kooky dad like they made Zouken a trolling grandpa.
The way Nasu works through tragic heroines post game is to take away that element and up the comedy. With Kohaku, she adopts her Melty persona entirely, another user already mentioned what happened with Sakura, and Fujino...well, Fujino is kind of just put off to the side.
It's a joke from the original Tsukihime that had a typo that had Hisui basically go "you will be the murderer!" And thus people started calling her the Brainwasher Detective with all those hypnosis jokes. It's really a meta joke just like how Ciel got reduced to Curry, Arc became Phantasm Moon and all Akiha does is write porn.
only Tsukihime that isn't a two faced bitch
Good taste, user.
I wish I still had hope.
I'd say it's easier to justify that argument because hollow is so much more expansive and developed compared to KT. I believe it has just as much interactive potential as hollow but it didn't get the chance.
About your character progression topic though, I believe that with KT wanted to be more about getting past their demons as opposed to the progression of relationships, you can see this with Shiki and Ciel, and somewhat Arc. It's a half assed attempt, since the far side heroines don't really get that kind of treatment
fuck the True ending
he doesn't want to see Shiki and Arc adventures through Europe and fucking up DAAs
I hate Kohaku after she continuously cockblocked me in KT. Just let me fuck your sister or my sister already.
Why is nobody ever talking about her?
There is a scene in HA where Sakura bitches about 'Tohno senpai', while obviously referring to Rin
she only exists for about an hour combined in everything she's appeared in
I like these random details in this manga
When I first saw her I thought she would be edgy taking into account the whole moon princess vampire thing but it seems she is a ditz. Mind = full of fuck
I'll have you know you're wrong, however I much preferred the manga
Also I hope you were joking about that and that you have seen Carnival Phantasm
What dream? Show more of it
If you still having hope was about the remake happening it doesn't have a date yet but the characters designs are out (She looked better with the long skirt imo) crunchyroll.com
How does Tsukihime compare to FSN. I dislike FSN because of Nasu's writing which makes me want to kill myself. From the little I've seen Shiki is a douche as well.
I like Koharu's design but I don't like Sakura and it seems that Sakura is based on her
Reminder that Flowers of Thanatos was originally meant to be part of original game with Hisui and Kohaku mindfusing as one of endings for original Hisui route.
Nasu's writing is pretty decent, are you really that much of a faggot that you judge it based on shitty translations? Shiki is a no personality self insert in the original, he only becomes a douche from KT onwards.
Kohaku is similar in backstory but very different personality-wise from Sakura. Asagami in KnK is much more the "original" Sakura.
Shiki is a douche? He always seemed to be a kind of carefree cool guy. Maybe a bit too sarcastic sometimes, but I like it. I mean, his relationship with Arihiko is as normal as it gets.
Asagami did nothing wrong.
Is that the girl from Carnival Phantasm? How can you fall in love with a random side character from a meme show?
This is actually Saber.
I wouldn't have much of a problem with Arceuid if she wasn't constantly wanked everywhere she appears as A) being the most beautiful girl ever and B) being the most powerful being on the planet.
Type-moon is at its best when it isn't engaging in blatant powerlevel nonsense, and Arceuid's very existence is like a sledgehammer to the face and Nasu shouting "NO SHE IS THE MOST POWERFUL IN THE UNIVERSE SHUT UP LOSER SHE'S NOT EVEN USING HALF HER REAL POWER AND THE PLANET MAKES HER STRONGER SO THAT SHE'S THE STRONGEST EVEN THOUGH IF IT DIDN'T SHE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE THE STRONGEST"
She's only the most powerful existence on the planet so that when Shiki kills her, it gives self-insert fags the biggest boner ever.
The same is true of Gilgamesh, he's only the most powerful Servant so that when Shirou takes him down it gives self-insert fags the second biggest boner ever.
Shiki is a no personality self insert in the original
I feel like shiki has way more of a personality than shirou does, who basically just invents his SWORD OF JUSTICE shit halfway through UBW and never looks back. I barely even felt like he was a character so much as he was just the thing you experience the story through because outside of his intentionally dehumanizing philosophy all he really has is "good at cooking" and "doesn't ask questions" going for him.
meanwhile shiki is a lot more like an actual human, he shows a lot more variety in his emotions and has worries and emotional responses that make sense (until he suddenly files off on a murder tangent, which is actually shocking while shirous stuff isn't because you have that contrast).
I guess being more relate-able does technically make shiki more of a self insert, but I wouldn't wanna be either of these people because they have pretty shitty lives
arcueid being hella strong worked in tsukihime itself because the story was specifically written that way, the only time arcueid being so strong is used in a "oh man she's so awesome how do I deal" way is when she's a goddamn antagonist during ciel route otherwise it's just the excuse for there to be drama (and even then it's implied that even if shiki doesn't slice arcueid up she still has issues dealing with nero/roa/ciel despite technically being way weaker then them)
it falls apart in crossovers I guess but that's because fate in general introduced powerlevel shit and arcueid wank was just a consequence of that
There is no such thing as a self-insert. That's a dumb meme that normafags came up with to dismiss harem anime.
You are never meant to insert into the MC.
Took care of
More like lived in
Yes it is true that translations and the original differ night and day but from what I've seen in FSN what can be said in 5 lines takes 20. I was surprised that the VN is so long but seeing that it it's so bloated makes everything clear
This is what I also see in Shiki. There's LACK of characterization in different routes or at different parts of the story, but after you get into the thick of a route's "bad thing that happens," it's explained as to why he's actually a lot stronger emotionally and as a personality than we initially see.
How does Tsukihime compare to FSN
The pacing is better because each individual route is quite a bit shorter and isn't full of filler cooking/training bullshit
Except for heavens feel and the sex scenes heavens feel sits at around a 16 age rating, tsukihime is easily 18+
Tsukihime (and especially KT it's sort of sequel) feel a bit more like a game than fate does because your choices affect how the plot progresses a lot more than in FSN (where you make the one choice to pick a route early on and then every choice is just "do you want an ending now y/n"
I personally like the action scenes a lot more, both the way they're done and the fact that tsukihime doesn't have the silly rpg stats
That's blatantly untrue.
part of it too is that shiki brings out very different aspects of his character based on what scenario he's in, while shirou is shirou all the time
it makes shiki more rounded looking at it overall but in any given route I can see someone feeling he's kinda one dimensional.
Some people say Shiki is a bland harem insert while you have others say that he is an interesting character. I would like to say that Shirou is too autistic to be said the same for but he bones femarthur and defeats the strongest servant which feels like the most blatant insert ever though
90% of what people call self-insert characters are not. I was wrong in saying they don't exist but it's never subtle. And they're usually not really characters.
Like the protag in FGO, in the TM Ace interview Nasu said that he/she wouldn't be having a bigger role in the story because he was a stand in for the player and then contrasted him with Shiki/Shirou which many call self-inserts.
A self-insert is a character like Master Chief, Link or the protags in Sprite's VNs. It's not written characters like Shirou or Shiki.
2011/12 Arc looks best, with the free flowing hair and all. Although I have difficulty imagining '12 Arc in those clothes.
How does someone self-insert as Shirou anyways? I don't think most people have the same fetishes as him.
implying you wouldn't rub your dick up and down a nice fuller
Man that's some shit tier fetish
Everyone knows that fire is superior fetish
You clearly have not seen the sophisticated beauty of floor tiles. Look at this image & tell me your sword is not hard.
i wanna trace those lines
the ^_^ face is pretty endearing, I'll give you that
Shirou tries to make himself seem like a nobody, but it's all lies.
He enjoys cooking, working with his hands, and making things. He just tries to shove down anything he might enjoy because he feels he doesn't deserve enjoyment of any sort. Those were big things in UBW and in HF. But in reality, he is actually quite the sarcastic guy who sulks quite a bit when someone one ups him. He can't stand losing face with Sakura as her senpai and teacher and mentally gets depressed when he sees she is surpassing him in cooking, despite saying he doesn't enjoy it and is visibly calmed when they cook together.
The dehumanizing is just his way to cope, always was. He goes hunting with Taiga's father, fixes motorcycles and vans for his Yakima for extra money, along with working at a bar since he was 12. He is pretty much a self made guy underneath the supposed sword autism.
Sensei redesign when.
So when will the remake be released?
How else do you describe this face?
With the image you just posted. As is intended on an imageboard.
Like a morning breeze and lying in a soft pillow, just like your daki user!
i recognize this artist
Have a canon redesign
Arc is the best.
First is Ciel
How do people see a saberface? Saber dressed in that would not look like that.
WHAT DID THEY DO TO MY ARCUEID?!?!
I wonder how they are going to draw Roa. I hope he stays a rock star
3 or 4
By not actually reading anything into the character more than his powers.
A self-insert is a character like Master Chief, Link
Not even. They're more rare than that.
confirmed as fuck Arcueid is cute
I forgot to mention it but I would have added Extra's protags. They have no personality or discernible traits and any comment made to them can be interpreted as being towards the player.
Dem quints. Arc best girl.
Look at them quints for best girl.
3 is the best because it keeps the dress but also keeps the boots from the new design
all the other 'main' heroines have cool boots so arc having a pair makes sense
and the hair
Give 4 a burgundy or maroon skirt, and we have a deal.
Posts dash, are you ESL?
It's signal doubtful. My country is predominantly English speaking and yet dashes are used on dotted lines for forms. I assume for aesthetic reasons, due to interrupted dashes looking more like a line than sequential dots.
What? No. Just play the VN for like. 5 minutes.
Wow I never thought Nips are aware of good Western sci fi novel.
Lmao so I didn't know one manga. Go release your bowels everywhere for no reason somewhere else
I have fallen in love.
you've gone and done it m8
you've been cucked by a ｃａｒｔｏｏｎ
job well done
i'll be praying for your parents, may god have mercy upon them
There are a few Westabros among the Nips.
I can't believe after 10 years I am seeing more Ciel Loving.
oh man i love this album
4 walls and adobe slats for muh giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirls
Her hair is very tomboy-ish yet still very cute
How does she do it!?
To be honest, I never did. Self inserting as Shirou is missing the entire point of the VN anyway, which is how Shirou develops as a person and how he develops his relations with his ideals. Fate is basically him saying "Fuck you, my ideals aren't wrong.", UBW has him going "My ideals may be flawed, but they're still worth having" and HF is him rejecting his ideals for new ones.
Nasu might be a hack, but the character arcs and world building he did pre Taka fucking everything up with his Saber fetish was pretty damn great.
mfw when I skipped Ciel's route to go to Akiha's route....
Please forgive me senpai! I thought she was uninteresting!
Go do her route.
Gonna need to finish Akiha's route first senpai. I just finished fucking her.
Is this the recommended route order?
Arcueid - Ciel - Akiha - Hisui - Kohaku
Yep, Near Side then Far Side.
you have to do arc or ciel before the last two, and hisui before kohaku
You should be user
This series is just a bad garden of sinners clonse.
thought Sup Forums was just memeing
watch Lunar Legend
it's the worst anime I've ever seen
They didn't even adapt the story as badly as DEEN stay night, but the entire series is people standing still and mumbling.
Did Sup Forums enjoy this before the VN was translated?
Tsukihime for PC
Tsukihime on PSP
Tsukihime Fun Disc - Kagetsu Tohya
Holy Grail 2.0 - Rips of Type-Moon's PC games by Keripo
Is it a thing that to be part of the Church you need to have some favorite food you eat over everything
Kotomine eats mapo like it's water and probably drinks it out of wine cups
Ciel is the currymaster
Karen probably lops a pile of semen on top of everything before she eats it
Sup Forums wasn't around when it came out and I'm pretty sure nobody has ever liked that anime.
That doesn't look like the redesign but it looks touched up from the original?
damn. Theres some great taste in that
there's a reason we pretend it doesn't exist
A very good reason
There are very few memes that last for a literal decade, and those memes usually have a basis of truth - same reason why we me'em on DEEN stay night, because it's fucking horrid.
Only good ero scenes Nasu ever wrote.
You mean mollusk scenes?
How're they going to make the Tsukihime thing all-ages?
Delete sex scenes.
Amazing insight but Kohaku's entire thing is being a sex slave and it's just not the same without RAPING THE MAIDS
You can still imply she was molested, just not show it.
True I guess
Personally never liked blatant H-scenes in stories, they just feel out of place for some reason. Fade to black works fine imo.
akiha has the most votes but is in third place
What about shiki rapemurdering arcueid?
not showing it makes the whole point about shiki getting a boner in spite of himself fall flat and with that the plot point
there's a lot of plot points or character development in the sex scenes, you can't just cut them like you can fate
No she isn't, what the fuck are you high on? Strawpoll doesn't re-order options like poal.me.
There will be slight changes. You can mention arousal and still be fine. You just cant say "his dick is hard" Also, which part are you referring to when you say "not showing it makes the whole point about shiki getting a boner in spite of himself fall flat and with that the plot point"
shiki sees SHIKI raping kohaku, gets excited and then feels crappy about it when he realizes what happened
that probably also happens to the player beat for beat because oh hey naked girl oh no sexual abuse
it's a way to make you relate to shiki on a really persona/meta level that simply can't be replicated by there being a text crawl of shiki describing in vague terms what he saw and what he felt
That scene will likely be changed. If not removed entirely. There are many ways you can relate to a character without getting or not getting a boner.
You can mention arousal and still be fine. You just cant say "his dick is hard"
which ruins the whole scene
it only works because it's so over the top, the extended "what do I want to do to her?" build up, the ridiculous description of how and where he cuts her into pieces, shiki rolling around in tons of blood and getting a big ol boner about it
it goes so far into edge territory and it's so sudden that it really sets the tone for the entire rest of the story about how fucked up things could be
If you're just going to rewrite everything, why even do a remake? You'll just piss off the fanbase you already have and you're not gonna attract any new ones because if you take the edge out of a vampire series you're left with something that appeals to nobody
Aoko tied 7th with Nanaya
No, it doesnt ruin the whole scene. If you remove the big ol boner it still works. He can still want to cut her to pieces with tons of blood prime to roll around in. He can desire that. He can get really worked up about that. Wanting that is wrong. The disgust at going that far and desiring that is what we relate with and what sets the tone. Not the dick. Take a step back for a second and think about this. The message will stay the same, but the wording will change and they wont mention SEXUAL pleasure being derived from it. It still paints that insanity and it still is really fucking edgy. They wont "rewrite everything" either (hopefully) there have been plenty of non-18 plus remakes of things that work out just fine and cause no issues, have a little faith in the hack of a writer.
Deriving sexual pleasure from cutting someone up is significantly creepier than simply wanting to cut someone up. Imagine KOORU with a massive donger getting bigger and bigger every time he cuts open some kid.
Ill give that point, it is a little creepier, but the message isnt lost without it. Also, thats just hilarious. As he continues to kill, his pants can no longer contain his member and he begins to murder people with his schlong alone, spreading trails of white sticky cum to mark his prey
No, but I can't blame her. She was taken apart in every meaningful way. It's a wonder there was any part of her left capable of love.
It's been a decade
I still haven't touched currybutt route
Kohaku literally had nothing else to do, at that point she wasn't even doing it for revenge she was doing it because she thought it might be cool to do.
Kohaku is bad, Sakura is good
Why don't you just say you want a boring, soulless fuckdoll? It's obvious that's what you want.
...lad tbqh that description actually fits Kohaku better, and I'm a kohakufag.
soundtrack is nice.
Type-Moon fans, newbie here. What's so bad about Tsukihime anime adaptation? In what way is that different from the source material?
I'm thinking of watching it because of the VAs but from periphery glance a lot of people seem to shit on it.
I'm a huge Tsukihime fanboy, I just love the VN, the manga, and read them again quite often. Last time I wanted to watch the anime for the second time I dropped it during the first episode. Like other anons said, the music's good. Everything else is bad.
I thought we'd only vote Tsukihime? Now I'm forced to vote best girl Sion over Kohaku.
Hisui True Ending > *
Takeuchi said that the violence alone will make 18+. Something like "It wouldn't be Tsukihime without bodies being rend open"
Good! He may be infected with the Sabervirus, but he's not completely insane yet.
Bad in what way? Does the anime change what makes the main characters main characters?
I know there is Shiki and Arcueid, do they still act like manga's Shiki and Arcueid or does everything about everything changed completely?
It's just generically bad. Fails to keep tension high, entire sections of character standing still and talking, no hook at all, etc.
Look at the Nero fight for the highest example of this. It's roughly 10 minutes of talking and 5 seconds of fight where Nero just kind of falls onto Shiki's knife then gives his 'oh you're my death' line, making him look exceptionally retarded.
No budget with bad character designs Nero 666 beasts are pretty much turned into Nero and his 5 dogs. Also the characters have no personality it also try's to add some ciel and Akiha stuff even worse than deen tried for fate also some filler I think.
You are doing this series a disservice
The climax of the ending is highly satisfying, and the bad ends near the end are particularly dramatic and well done
I still find it amazing that Arcueid stole Shiki in good end of Ciel route
Ciel simply cannot compete. Kind of sad for her.
In the Fate end where Saber sticks around, you know she won't be stealing Shirou from Rin.
Saber a shit though.
Rin really likes her though.
What's your point, Rin also likes
OLD MEN OHOHOHO
Rider, Luvia, Ayako and basically any really pretty girl
tfw Rin will never experiment with bestgirl
Jalter > Jeanne
80 minutes without a post
not dead thread
Was Sup Forums always this slow of a board
Somebody else already did with the Alter.
Brynhildr a slut
but also a best
I think it was faster two years ago but it's been a while since thread could last as long as a few days. I've even see a Miuna Monday thread last a whole week.
Alter with Saber Alter is better.
tfw you lived long enough to see your first and favorite board start to die
Saberfaces piss me off and versions of Arthur piss me off even more, the only good Arthur is tittyLancer
But you like Jeanne, right?
tfw you lived long enough to see your first and favorite board start to die
More like people are likely busy studying for finals
Jeanne is not quite a saberface even if she's super similar.
Tsukihime threads are also slower, usually.
Why was Jeanne shit again?
I dunno, since when was she shit?
Maybe you need to fix your taste
post archetype earth
tfw you manage to goad your little brother into playing MB with you
tfw he tries out a few of the characters before settling on Arc and is confident about beating me because he's gud at fightan games and you're shit
tfw you pick Archetype Earth
No better feeling
Which Melty Blood should I play after Tsukihime?
I remember her "good" ending being NTR and true being dead Shiki.
If only her route had lived up to its potential.
If want story do ReACT
And yes G Akiha having unlimited circuits is a bug
Good is harem, true is happy end iirc.
Why is she so awesome? Can't wait for her to show up in F/GO season 2 and wreck some shit up.
Different user but what about AACC on Steam? Is that not the latest updated version? Or is it more like a sequel and should be played after ReACT?
It's more like a sequel, and also the latest version.
She'd be like
Removing that aspect of the story would also remove the scene where Shiki displays his greatest insight.
EX stats with rank EX anti planet NP
Try adding two more zeros to each stat and we'll talk.
i thought primate murder was the archetype of earth
Nah, play Melty Blood.
Something that is controlled by a vampire
Ultimate life form that wiped out everything else on Earth
The thing about Gaia is that there IS no TYPE-GAIA.
I just see it as High Budget fanfiction. It had good music tho.
It's just a title, no point to get so hung up on it. Even the Moon Cell was called Type Moon.
le average anime face
Nah I meant as in, the whole point of Archetype Earth being called Archetype Earth is that it isn't actually Type-Earth.
Except we don't know that. You can use that same logic for the Moon Cell, but it's still Type Moon in the Extra timeline.
If you want to play the story mode play MB ReACT. If you want to play arcade play AACC on Steam
Why can't servants kill Types?
Types don't die when you kill them.
If she showed up they'd probably severely nerf her severely like they did with beserker arc
So Type Saturn isn't really dead?
Actually better yet, where can I read these extra materials because most of this is just stuff I'm spouting from other threads in the past
Servants are usually late mid game bosses
TYPEs are secret post game bosses
Probably has to do with TYPES not even being able to die.
servants only role in life is to job & be physically attractive
Rekt. Servants a shit.
"Death" does not exist for a Type. Their bodies can be destroyed by overwhelming force, but then you just get something like V/V or the fragment of Brunestud that still exists in Arcueid's (and, before they all died, the rest of the True Ancestors) mind
She looks like she'd be extremely comfortable to spoon with
"Death" does not exist for a Type.
I'm pretty sure it technically does isofar as if you destroy the planet they represent, they're done.
Let's be honest, almost any Nasuverse girl would be pretty comfy.
Who /gudako/ here
While that is PROBABLY true, we don't yet have conclusive evidence that's the case.
The planet is in really bad shape in Extra, yet Arcueid is just as powerful as ever when she isn't forced into a Servant container.
I forget the details, but wasn't it specifically Alaya that was getting taken apart in Extra as opposed to Gaia?
tfw I'm apparently the only one who /gudako/
All to myself I guess
Nah, I'll take her too. She's a qt.
You'll have to whale for her first
I can understand the bottom two belts
But what's the point of the top belt? It seems like it's expressly to make her tits pop out a little more.
It seems like it's expressly to make her tits pop out a little more
Nah fuck off bitch
Probably noy. By that logic a Type would have a heart attack while flying in space.
What is this from?
By that logic a Type would have a heart attack while flying in space
TYPES are supposed to be the manifestation of the planet itself, if you completely obliterated the thing they represent they'd probably just be dead.
What is this from?
So are you saying a Type would have a heart attack if you kill their planet even if the Type is on another solar system? That's retarded, stop trying to pass your own assumptions as fact.
That actually sounds about fucking right actually, it's not actually that outlandish when you consider all the other shit that goes on in Nasuverse. I wasn't passing it as fact but I'd say that the logic of the definition of a TYPE sort of implies it to be true so it's my best guess.
It's more likely that a Type would just cease to exist entirely, rather than keel over dead. Because even then, a Type wouldn't die in the same way a person or an animal dies; it's a fundamentally alien existence that's probably not tied to Akasha like humans are.
Types are their planets brains and terraform their environments, so ORT won't die while being on Earth even if youd estroy Mercury because due to ORT's power he is already standing on Mercury. This is better supported than your explanation.
It simply overrides Gaia's reality marble though, unless you're saying that without ORT being on Mercury Mercury no longer has a reality marble.
It effectively makes the ground ORT is standing Mercury or an extension of ORT.
I don't know man
Gaia can actually be killed and exactly that is what happens in notes, so I don't see why theoretically you couldn't kill Mercury or Jupiter.
It's possible that the only reason we're even able to kill Gaia in the first place is because we come from Gaia. And even then it takes millennia.
I'm saying it's debatable whether ORT would die if Mercury is destroyed while ORT already terraformed another planet.
I'd imagine it's significantly weakened at the very least since 'Mercury' now consists of a small section of terraformed rainforest.
tfw when binged through tsukihime, kt, f/sn, f/ha and then carnival
I'm pretty empty now how can I fill the void
Sounds like you're still missing Melty Blood.
There's a story mode in ReACT and mini-story modes for each character in arcade mode.
First played/ read Tsukihime as a High School freshman.
Just about the only thing I don't regret from that time is thinking Ciel is bestgirl
since that remains true to this day
So I am only one that got on Ciel route on first play through even though I tried for Arcueid one?
Yeah i played the ReACT story but the main route wasn't that great. I like fighting games but fighting through the CPU for the arcade stories is a snoozefest
The funny part was that Shiki was constantly talking about tea room even though first time he got inside was when he got killed by SHIKI
Arc is so wonderful bros
Stop, all girls are good.
mfw almost 3 day old Tsukihime thread
the fuck's wrong with you
are you implying something
Isn't it sad?
who the fuck is that?
I did because I like ciel more than Arc, from first impression
How does Ciel give better first impression than Arcueid?
Do you like blue hair or what
Not him, but when I first played I wanted to do Akiha's route first. Why? Because I thought she was cute and I like the calm/non violent Tsunderes (also black hair is my kryptonite). Then I found out that I had to do first Arcueid or Ciel.
The moral of the story is that it will always come down to who you find more attractive first.
Arche doesn't mean what you think it means. Earth could not make a Type on its own. The True Ancestors had to make it for her (CM built them with Gaia before in turn).
ArcheType basically means de facto Type. Arcueid already has Gaia able to hijack her body.
Yeah, so it ain't actually a proper TYPE-GAIA.
That still pisses me off after 3 years. I played Ciel rout first because muh glasses-senpai and ended up hating arcueid by the end. I was so happy that she fucked off in the true end, but the good end ruined my mood that day and every other day I remember it. The true end is my good end Sup Forumsnon
It's all speculation. She could easily be an higher existence than a Type, a snowflaked Type if you will. Like Archmagus is superior to a magus.
Ciel is a shit tho
I wanted to do Kohaku route first. Little did I know she was lucky to even have a route.
Man, doing Kohaku route would suck horribly
Would player even understand anything?
Why is Caren so based?
So can we agree that Warcueid ending in ReACT is pretty great?
Why isn't she wearing any pants or skirt?
I don't see how the word based really describes her tbqfh
Because she is a slut.
It reminds me of what TM threads were like 5 years ago, in a good way
Because her job literally involves getting other people hard and her experiencing sexual pleasure from nearby evulz.
He's writing a story set in Japan, so he has to use that phrase constantly. It can't be helped.
Because CAREN ORTENSIA PLEASES SINNERS FOR JESUS OHOHOHOHOHO
Megane Onee-san type character who it seems will give me friendly tension with Arihiko compared to Ditz Onee-san who I murdered and then apologized to. Plus Arc gave off a giant "Main Girl" vibe, which puts me off because I like to collect all the side stuff first.
Read the MB manga adaptations. MB Act 2 is particularly fun.
Does MB manga cover the full game story?
Probably only near side
I did too.
Though I'd say I didn't like her or her route after I read the rest.
Id say other routes were better but I still think Ciel route is really good. The
dream sequence at the end was the only I time I ever teared up from a type-moon thingy
Arc casually consent to polygamy
Ciel harem end best end.
dream sequence at the end
Yes, and I contradict myself.
I did say I didn't like her nor her route. But desu, as much as I don't want to admit it, shiki's thoughts and monologues in her route were exactly like my circumstances at the time.
In short, I hated it because it slapped me in the face.
Meanwhile, kohaku END got me by the dick.
When we get CCCaster integrated into the Steam Melty version we should play again Sup Forums
That's only gonna happen months from now, there is nothing wrong with just playing on CCCaster right now. Plus posting ips is a more meaningful bump
I remember the melty threads on /v/ a month ago. Good times
Can Shiki kill servant?
That's true, it's not like the CP version out now is that different.
Tsukihime remake never. Melty Blood HD never.
Fuck you, do it. Even Australia and NZ managed to get together 7 people in there. More if you include OCE. There'll be enough people for you to constantly melty, due to y'know meetmeinmelty kinda being dead.
Is this the new Mizuumi IRC?
Pretty much, yeah.
Post your favorite FSN route and your favorite Tsukihime route.
Saberfag and Hisuifag
Makes sense. At least you're kinda consistent.
Heaven's Feel and Kohaku?
A new standard for pleb taste has been set
But best girl is still Hisui
F/SN: Can't decide. Probably HF, but Saber's still best girl.
Tsukihime: Akiha, both her route and as best girl.
Man I want to say HF but True ending ruined it for me. Felt cheap after hour after hour of despair
Tsukihime : Ciel
Fate : Heaven's Feel
I hate Fate so I won't comment on it.
In Tsukihime Near Side Ciel is better, but on far side Hisui is better.
they are literally the same shit
HF Normal/UB True tie
Crimson Red Demon God/
Shirou and Shiki swap VNs and are now the MC in the other's VN.
How much of it changes? Does he still summon Arturia or does that change as well because he doesn't have Avalon?
Far side > near side (even though Arc is damn near perfect).
Hisui > Arc > Ciel = Akiha >>> Whorehaku.
Did that thing even use ammo?
Shirou gets killed by Nero.
Shiki either dies to Lancer and isn't resurrected by Rin, or kills him with MEoDP and his Nanaya instincts (stats be damned, Shirou is a normal human and goes toe to toe with servants and is capable of trading blows for a short while with Dark Arturia and others, Shiki is an incest super-babby who can run on the ceiling) and then meets Ilya on the way back from Kotomine. Really he probably does fairly well up until Caster or Bellepheron due to having an ace in the hole most servants won't really think to dodge, which allows him to assassinate them while they're fighting saber.
Shiki can't kill servants
The real question is what Shiki would summon
first skype, then teamspeak, then mumble, now this. How many fuckign chat program do I need to download.
The conceptual armament that Ciel is authorized to carry. Although it is called a scripture, it's actually an enormous pile bunker.
An iron hammer created by the Church in order to renounce the heretical doctrine of transmigration. Over a millennium has passed since it was first forged, and there's even an elemental dwelling within it, but…
Before Ciel remodeled it, it was only effective against spiritual entities. Now, however, it has been transformed into a lump of iron that can pound a vampire to death with its physical attack power alone. It has a gross weight of 60 kilograms, and a maximum weight of twice that with optional attachments.
During Ciel's Arc Drive, she drives the stake into her opponent. Afterward, what is ejected from the magazine is not an empty cartridge, but pages of the holy scripture. For vampires, this is no different from being directly injected with the holy scripture itself. There is no doubt that it is a surefire "Immortal Killer".
Looking at Full Moon P.Ciel in Melty, "optional attachments" are gatling gun and grenade launcher
He probably can on a good day. Remember he was faster than Nrvnqsr on 999 mode.
Fate: Ending and Climax, Fate. Everything else, HF (overall story).
F/SN: UBW true
Tsukihime: Hisui true
Funny Vamp Arc o0f course.
The only artifact I could think of would be his knife that he keeps on hand or his sensei glasses, but neither Aoko nor any of the nanayas we know about qualify to be a servant.
this thread is nearly 3 days old
Yeah and the two-day-old kumoko thread died when I woke up.
Now that grand order is a thing, literally anyone can be a servant.
GO still has mostly legit servants though, even Kiritsugu is technically just another and even edgier Red Man.
Billy the Kid and Mata Hari shows that now only fame is required to be a "legit" servant. There's also some dumb reasons like the one for Ryougi
Ryougi is in because she's best girl.
Is Akiha or whoever famous among the plebs though? It can't be only famous among mages.
Haven't we known that since avenger?
UBW and ciel
fate and tsukihime are superficially the same but the details are way different
Is there even route in which Shirou would survive?
Thinking about it, what servant types would any tsukihime character even qualify for?
the only ones that really come to mind are aoko caster, ciel as a bunch of things and I guess a nanaya assassin
I can see him doing good in akiha route
He might do maid routes fine too assuming the character relationships are otherwise the same so kohaku doesn't just poison him to death
From the description of Sacchin route it looks that he would be utterly fucked. It supposed to be Shiki and Sacchin vs everyone with Nero and Roa joining forces
I'm pretty sure that was a joke because like
how the fuck do they win that one?
Shiki goes mind of steel and Sacchin unlocks her RM
If that were possible he'd win in one day.
Arc helps them.
If Arc gave him something of hers then he'd be set.
V. Akiha Berserker although she'd probably be rather weak. Kohaku Caster if take her mad scientist jig as legit.
I don;t think Crimson Moon is in Throne of Heroes
Her virginity counts?
What classes would arcueid even count for besides berserker? Do claws count as sabers? Her cameo in that game implyied that making her berserker was a stuid idea like herk but I dunno what else unless you go into archetype stuff
Thinking about it berserker akiha could be pretty good actually, she sort of has instant death eyes with whatever the fuck her power is, the only reason she struggles against the shiki's is because physically she's just a little girl
in a berserker boosted container she wouldn't have this so she could just chimp out on everyone
Twilight for boys.
Congratulations, you fell in love with female Edward, fatty.
I thought scott pilgrim was twilight for boys
Akiha can plunder shit
Things like SHIKIs connection to Shiki for example
Yeah now that you said that I remember it, it's been a while since I read those scenes.
In that case I can only continue to agree that berserker akiha would be pretty awesome, she could just plunder attributes from other servants
Arc is probably Assassin since it seems that most people who fight barehanded are either Assassins or Berserkers. Berserker Arc is just WArc anyway.
The best part about VAkiha Berserker is the
Ryougi shouldn't be either and Tamamo is a literal deity but gets summoned anyway
Except neither Shiki nor Arc are stus
Pretty strong gimmick I guess. What would her NP be though? Would she just not have an active one like Heracles?
Rider's most coherent shtick is that she's afraid of becoming a monster. From a narrative point of view, she's perfect.
Arc is probably Assassin since it seems that most people who fight barehanded are either Assassins or Berserkers.
assassins also have babby stats though, and while I guess she's an assassin of dead apostles she doesn't use stealth at all, she just semi-randomly wanders around until she finds them and then blows up the entire area
I could see ciel as an assassin easily, but not arc
Doesn't Li Shuwen have good stats? I forget
both have mystic eyes
it's like poetry, they rhyme
To be honest it's because you need to summon Arc as a servant due to the system but she doesn't really fit, sort of like Gilgamesh. To actually play with Arc at full capacity you need to summon her as just Arcueid.
shinji is basically shiki without any of the redeeming qualities or talent, I'd buy it.
I haven't read fate in a while, how does gil not really fit the system? Just because he's so strong? I thought the whole thing was that as the king of heroes he can just count under any category because he did all that shit first
It covers Night on the Blood Lair which is the important route. Act 2 covers a joke route, and X a drama CD.
There's that new BAA manga, but I haven't looked much into it since the first chapter.
And if you want, there's Hana no Miyako too. But to be honest it isn't that good and it's probably the reason behind its cancellation. It's still going as a doujin though, but it's advancing at snail pace.
Oh god, just imagine mana transfer. Two S "fight" for dominance.
It's the reason why he gets summoned under the special Gilgamesh class in Extra CCC, he's so fuckhuge as an entity the container simply can't hold him in its entirety.
that sounds lewd as fuck but whateveer
shinji is basically shiki without any of the redeeming qualities or talent, I'd buy it.
First son of a noble household but not the heir (who is instead his non-blood related sister)
Has a blue theme and is in a insult filled but secretly rather devoted friendship with a guy with a red theme
Is a nice guy with a strong sense of justice, particularly towards women when he isn't going into crazy rapist mode
How did I never realize this all this time, everyone in fate really is just tsukihime characters thrown into a blender aren't they?
No shit, Rin is basically Akiha.
Shinji really SHOULD be the heir though, while Akiha is the legit heir if you don't count SHIKI.
But a thousand times worse.
If the dream segments are anything to go by, shiki would end up losing
I don't think it really counts
Only thing different from Kohaku one is that she's masturbating instead of staring
Kohaku is pretty creepy.
Or just summon Arc as Berserker and give her EX rank mad enhancement. Problem solved.
Yeah but that doesn't really capture Arc now does it
Yeah but understandably so.
I don't really follow what you're saying.
What I'm getting at is that in all the len induced sex dreams shiki is unable to move while whatever thing happens to him, and while he complains at first after a while he's into it
You'd have to be a massive faggot not to like Arc riding your dick
EX ME allows her to think, which was the biggest problem with being Berserker in Extra.
I'm talking more about stuff that ciel and especially kohaku do
No you don't get it
I'm saying that the servant system wouldn't be able to really hold Arc in the same way it's unable to hold Gilgamesh
besides Nasu's massive boner for him
How about this then
Shiki stalks arcueid and stabs her what good, however due to chaos theory in this multiverse he also takes something of hers from her and, since he has magic circuts, accidentally uses that to summon arcueid into a servant container (which works because she was in the middle of remaking her body and thus was even weaker than arcueid usually is in tsukihime)
You know what
It sounds delusional enough to be a thing
Kohaku one was the best.
How is this thread still up?
writing in the nasuverse is easy, you just come up with something that sounds really complicated but actually falls apart if you think about it in any real detail
Implying Roa didn't take hers
arc took HIS purity, not the other way around
OP here, this is the longest time one of my threads have lasted. I'm still surprised myself.
oh shit I've forgotten most of it, which routes should I replay? I'll read about the rest on the wiki
Make another one, bump limit soon.
Generals are cancerous you fuck.
This thread was 100x better than shit like ReZero threads so whatever
Because it's not a general. If you want to see these threads turn to shit then all you have to do is keep one up constantly.
Good thread and good taste my man.
May T/M bless us with the remake. Some day.
neither Shiki nor Arc are stus
Shiki is dysfunctional as fuck, schizo as fuck and has random I WILL KILL fits, and Arc is clueless about everything and near-helpless for most of the story with an encroaching KILLKILLKILLDRINKDRINKDRINK instinct. Neither of them are stus.
Shiki has a genuinely awful life outside of all the vagina he keeps tripping over and arcueid in the ciel route shows she can be a pretty terrible person
Arc is not a person.
So can we all agree that murder boner is best boner?
Wouldn't this actually be a really strong pairing? All of her abilities focus on preventing people from moving, making them perfect fodder for shiki to stab their lines while sidestepping the whole "how does shiki get close to a servant to stab them without instantly getting killed" part of the debate.
strong thematically, strong in a fight and rider herself hits a lot of shiki's buttons, seems like a 10/10 pairing to me
Couldn't Shiki just sit tight on Pegasus and get close that way
Can't rider only ride on peagasus because she has both servant riding skill AND the special saddle?
Even Arc while under moon has lines
It's just that they are fucking small and she can move
Arc did literally nothing wrong in Ciel's route.
Archetype Earth as I recall actually doesn't have lines or dots at all, even under Ryougi's gaze.
She doesn't have lines when she is not weakened from having being killed.
Besides losing her shit and becoming a monster because she's jealous in the path to the true ending, you mean?
Thanks! Arcueid is definitely Best TM character!
But I don't like her new redesign for the remake
But I don't like her new redesign for the remake
because she's jealous
You mean because Shiki severed her neck, the entire reason she went berserk.
Which shiki only did because aruceid held him down and basically said "join up with me or else"
You do realize if Shiki chooses to obey Arcueid you get the good ending in which everyone is happy, right?
I mean, kinda? You can read that whole thing as arcueid just biding her time or you can read it as a betty/veronica thing
Either way thats after she's had time to calm down, at that moment shiki has no real reason to assume arcueid isn't serious about that shit right then and there.
It's an interesting dynamic to have the "main girl" actually be sort of the antagonist in another route, because on top of this stuff arcueid is responsible for shit getting so crazy in the second half of ciel route in the first place because she kills SHIKI instead of shiki so roa just moves onto another host instead of disappearing
The two things that can happen are Shiki saying no and cutting her neck OR Shiki just saying no. The latter leads to the good end.
Shiki has a genuinely awful life
How is that untypical for a gary stu? Actually the tragic life/backstory is part of the trope.
Shiki is dysfunctional as fuck, schizo as fuck and has random I WILL KILL fits
Those things are explained in the story and not necessarily his own fault though.
How is that untypical for a gary stu?
The part where tsukihime ends with shiki admitting he's most likely gonna die within the next year or two
The true ending happens because Shiki was unable to trust Arcueid. In the good ending he remembers the times he spent with her and came to the conclusion that Arcueid would never lie to him, so he chooses to follow her plan which gets you the best ending possible in that route.
Arcueid is a genuinely good girl, it's just her bloodlust that makes her come up as psychotic at times, which is why she hates that aspect of her so much.
Those things are explained in the story and not necessarily his own fault though.
Irrelevant, a Stu is a character presented as perfect and incapable of fault. That's why Edward and Bella are hated, because even when they're wrong they're fucking right (and because it reads like a bad fanfiction from some edgy teenage girl)
How is that untypical for a gary stu?
Gary Stus are perfect in every way, and their life universally stops being shit (on the surface i.e. nothing is happening to them anymore) by the start of the story. ONIISAMA is perfect in every way but he suffers a little under the surface, but bad shit isn't happening to him on a regular basis because he's perfect and would've prevented bad stuff.
Arcueid is a genuinely good girl
I don't disagree here, you don't need to defend your waifu that hard.
It just seems to me that since shiki doesn't spend as much time with arcueid in ciel route, she still doesn't quite "get" emotions and acts way more unbalanced
And because of that, she acts like a spoiled brat when she doesn't get what she wants. Her attitude and the way she views shiki as just another possession still pisses me off.
Arcueid ruined Ciel's good end and I hate her for it
The life of a Stu doesn't necessarily have to be perfect.
You can self-insert into a tragic story just as well as long as you can see yourself either as the tragic hero or victim.
The point of a Stu is essentially that they're idealized in a way that would make people want to imagine that they are like that too.
Arcueid obviously an idealized character being the Otaku's wet dream that she is.
As for Shiki, even when turning insane (not to his own faul) he always keeps some of his humanity and is often willing to sacrifice himself for others.
That's not what a Stu is.
Are you actually saying that a well written character cannot be anything that the reader may want to be?
Why would I want to be shiki? He has like one friend, magical super cancer, mediocre grades, no future or hobbies, doesn't have any of the benefits of being part of a rich family and is in a minefield of crazy bitches that are very willing to murder each-other if he pays attention to one too much over the others
The life of a Stu doesn't necessarily have to be perfect.
But it does. A Stu can have a shit life at some point, but that is always just foreshadowing for him having much greater fortune in the future. Moreover, whatever tragedy struck the Stu, it must also makes his life better in the end in some way or be presented as something that paints those who did it to him as absolutely evil to paint him as a better person.
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