A farmer in Michigan sells apples a local farmer's market. The market is in East Lansing which has a local ordinance against gay discrimination. The farmer has a farm that exists outside this municipality where weddings are held, but only for straight people. When the farmer announced on Facebook that he was only going to allow straight weddings after not allowing any weddings for a period, the city revoked the farmer's permit to sell fruit at the farmer's market.
A judge has ordered a Michigan city to make room again for an apple grower who was barred from a seasonal market because he doesn’t allow gay couples to get married at his farm, which is a popular wedding spot.
Federal Judge Paul Maloney granted an injunction Friday, saying East Lansing likely violated the religious and free speech rights of Steve Tennes.
Tennes had been a popular apple dealer at the city-run market until officials learned he doesn’t allow gay couples to get married at his Eaton County farm. He expressed his religious views on Facebook.
East Lansing says vendors must follow its civil rights ordinance, which bars discrimination.
But the judge says Tennes can return to the market, which runs through October, while his lawsuit proceeds.
God Bless this man and his family in Jesus name may they be protected by Jesus's precious blood and may they defeat the evil forces of gay propaganda by JESUS CHRIST's power
Aaron Thompson
>hey goy gay marriage won't have any effect on you >bake that cake or lose everything you have worked for
Caleb Nguyen
I dislike homosexuals.
Jose Richardson
bump
John Campbell
land of the """""free""""""
Gavin Richardson
His property his rules, I really don't understand why fags and sjws get so booty blasted when someone tells them fuck off and be gay somewhere else.
Owen Ward
Selling to the public means public rules
Camden Richardson
No it doesn't. No one is forcing you to buy his product. If anything he should just not allow anyone to marry on his property, since you faggots are intent on ruining everything.
Julian Long
Go suck Bernie Sanders dick, the grownups are trying to have an intelligent discussion, you closet commie.
Kevin Young
but him selling fruit to the community has nothing to do with fruits getting married on "HIS" property.
Now if he's declining to sell fruit to fruits thats another thing.
Lincoln Davis
He initially ran onto controversy when some gay couples posted online that he refused their wedding requests. He decided to not allow any weddings at his farm for a time but later changed his policy to allow weddings but only for straight couples, once again. It was after he did this that the city denied his permit to sell fruit at the market.
Ayden Turner
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Xavier Young
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James Carter
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Dominic Bell
I don't see anything wrong with anything he's done.
You can't force people to accept you, and especially not with threats of violence. The fuck is wrong with you gayfags?
Nathaniel Mitchell
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Andrew Thompson
Do you consider anti-discrimination statutes in general to be valid?
Grayson Williams
Sorry Stormfront but it's settled law in this country that if your business is open to the public you can't discriminate.
Joshua Barnes
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Camden Myers
You retarded fuck. He doesn't offer it as a service. It's not on the menu. We don't do that here. Private businesses can do what they please. You remind me of the retarded fucks who think they can blast their retard music in a mall and get gay wedding offended when they're threatened with trespassing if they don't leave.
Julian Miller
gays can still buy apples from him, and his property is most likely private not public so he can refuse for any reason whatsoever.
Access to peoples property is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT
Aiden Wright
No, I don't.
Anti-discrimination is being used to discriminate, ironically enough. Since it's being used to selectively discriminate, I want everyone to be able to discriminate rather than only a single group to be discriminated against by everyone.
Read your own link idiot. That's the justice departments position, not SCOTUS
Samuel Cox
The law is not whether the property is public, but whether the business serves the public.
Julian Watson
Ok well the law says they are valid. Nobody is seriously considering that you could refuse to serve food to Blacks in a restaurant. The only issue at hand being actually debated under the law is whether such protections can apply regarding sexual orientation as a class.
Isaac Adams
He isn't running a business, he's been barred access to a marketplace by the city because he wouldn't let gays get married on his land.
Dylan Roberts
I used to not care about homos, but stories like this make me want to burn all the faggots alive. Bring back the good old days, I say.
Aiden Hernandez
In the past SCOTUS held that religion is not an excuse for violating state laws:
Most Americans are too pussy to join the military themselves, so why they hell should anyone care what most Americans have to say on the matter?
Elijah Miller
Catholics are heretics that worship idols, it is a bastardized pagan form of Christianity
Young adults are also put through propaganda programs through schooling by predominantly left leaning teachers, as well as them being naive about how businesses operate
Nathaniel Allen
>The farmer has a farm that exists outside this municipality
Fucking statist bootlickers.
I don't even give a fuck about gay marriage but when a municipality starts exceeding its boundaries to be punitive to people it doesnt like then it's no better than a mafia.
USA = shithole
Gabriel Price
>It's another gay people whine and bitch about their made up problems thread This is why nobody likes you.
Nicholas Wood
He is running a farm. Is that not a business? The farm has two business locations, one on the farm itself, as a wedding venue, and at the farmer's market.
Jordan Torres
Why do personal beliefs entitle you to discriminate against others?
Elijah Harris
he doesn't sit in the market to "rent" a marriage venue, he sells apples
Michael Smith
Why do you feel entitled to use someones property without their consent?
Luis Collins
On a farm outside the municipality.
Eg outside the municipal legal borders
Samuel Bennett
What? Discrimination against others is something people do. There is no such thing as inherent entitlement. You are "entitled" to do anything you please.
If I feel like discriminating against you because you are a faggot, nigger, or wear hats, I can. Any laws that try to prevent me from doing so are silly.
Kayden Taylor
the farm is private property and also outside the municipalities limits.
Its pretty much akin to getting banned from a grocery store for telling faggots to stop fucking each other in the ass on your front lawn.
Luke Scott
>bible bashing bigot bakery bankrupted by butt bandits gets me everytime
Hunter Garcia
He decided to offer the use of his property as a service to the public, he can't discriminate as to who he sells that service to. The reasoning being pretty damn simple, if you were to allow that to happen you could make it impossible for gays or blacks or Nazis to live in a certain area by refusing them goods and services. This principle protects you as much as the fag.
Lucas Lewis
>banned from a grocery store that's private property, but the ban would be overruled in court and there is no real way to enforce said ban short of brandishing a firearm
Brandon Ward
If someone can't live in an area without being able to access someone else's services that's their own damned fault.
David Nguyen
How is him selling fruit (regardless of where it's grown) at another location got anything to do with him not allowing poofters to get married on his land?
Michael Lee
aren't fags obnoxious? nigger of sexualities.
>wahhhhh gibsmedat!!
Gabriel Collins
>He decided to offer the use of his property as a service to the public, he can't discriminate as to who he sells that service to
He decided to offer the use of his property to heterosexual couples, not the entire public, and yes he can discriminate on who he allows onto his property. You're arguing that if I let anyone on my property, then I have to let everyone on my property.
Fucking communists, jfc
Jacob Foster
Says the guy who depends on a telecommunications company to sell him internet service. No man is an island, living in society requires you to exchange goods and services.
Nathaniel Sullivan
He has every right to bar entrance or/and any venue that someone would want to host on his property, no amount of legal action would change this.
forgot to add that this is because it is not considered a domicile and usually the building of business is on a lease subject to the lessees terms
Austin Miller
well don't be a faggot if businesses and services exclude you because of it
Dylan Fisher
yes but that does not mean we live in a socialist state because we sell/trade goods and services, that is not a uniquely socialist concept
Leo Russell
And if the telecommunications service decided to deny me access to their services for any reason, they literally CAN. This isn't a belief, this is reality.
Daniel Turner
And likewise, you cannot force other people to respect or like you, and especially not by threatening them.
Bentley Taylor
i don't see the problem, as long as he sells gay apples
Austin Rivera
clearly mother knows best
Isaac Morales
Did the rainbow flags run away? Fucking pussy-ass faggots.
Matthew Young
If churches are allowed to say they only want to marry heterosexuals and that's their religious liberty, what makes this case any different?
Evan Sanchez
They actually can't and you have several state and federal laws to thank for that.
Selling someone shit doesn't mean you respect them.
Bentley Allen
Churches are private entities. They are not subject to public accommodation laws that apply to businesses open to the public like restaurants or retail shops. Likewise the Boy Scouts can refuse to allow gays in as the Supreme Court has held because they are not open to the public. If you want to discriminate against gay people in an area with a sexual orientation inclusion in public accommodation law you have to organize as a private club or explicitly religious organization to be exempt.
Jeremiah Campbell
Question, should Muslims be exempt from female genital mutilation laws due to their religion?
Luis Campbell
they can and do, they can just say to provide service would be too costly and force the recipient to pay for upkeep of the whole local network (^5k an week for fibre)
Or just dismantle the infrastructure, or outright say they can't connect your service
Matthew Lopez
yes nobody gives a fuck about them anyways
Leo Scott
So you would be in favor if ISPs were allowed to disconnect the accounts of those found to have posted far-right extremist statements online?
Daniel Sanders
No, they literally have the right to refuse service, and employ this right regularly to refuse service to people who pirate software. They have every right to tell you "no", and they don't have to give you a reason why. All the law does is prevent them from having a reason some people dislike behind the reason they tell you "no", which is ultimately a farce, because they can and will lie.
I am speaking reality here, you are speaking your fucked up ideal worldview as though it's reality. Grow up, quit whining.
Liam Davis
Faggots btfo. Nothing more disgusting than shit pushers
John Taylor
How does not baking you a cake cause you bodily harm in any way?
Gabriel Young
no because that PHYSICALLY harms another person often without their full consent
Its is his place of work and his domicile he can refuse
Jordan Harris
I don't give a fuck what people do to their kids genitals. Shit, here in north america people fuck up boy's genitals on a daily basis. Why are you so obsessed with genitals? Faggot.
Kevin Mitchell
Good bot, now what's ; Drop table * ;?
Justin Russell
compound feefee fracture, duh
Camden Turner
do you not understand him not letting gays get married on his property well outside the city limits should not have any impact whatsoever to him selling apples at a farmers market.
Him allowing weddings on his property isnt a business but an allowance to strangers to bring their friends/family and get married on HIS PROPERTY. He can decline anyone and everyone if he so chooses with no reason needed.
Isaac Martinez
So you agree that harm is a reason to allow the government to enforce anti-discrimination laws?
Evan Robinson
I think we may be arguing semantics here. It's one thing to refuse service to an individual and another to refuse it to an entire class of people.
Jeremiah Rogers
I was referring to people like you wanting to force him to accept gays getting married on his own property.
You're trying to leverage violence to force him to accept gays. You cannot do this - even if the law sides with you, it changes nothing about him - all you breed is more animosity, not less.
There is so little wisdom in you progressives. You cannot force everyone to like everyone else. The very act of doing this virtually ensures you've failed before you've even started. Let people have their beliefs instead of trying to cram YOUR way of life down their throat. You'd be up in fucking arms if it were ever the other way around.
Lincoln James
Only religiously. You are religious. Some laws are founded in religions you possess, and run contrary to observable and practiced reality.
Luis Bell
They don't because its bad practice and is reflected negatively in their shares by lowering consumer confidence in their product/service
But they could terminate a contract, but they would have to pay back in full as they defaulted on it not the customer
only PSYCHICAL harm, mental anguish is processed by the civil courts but is very loose and not easily provable in this case
Matthew Phillips
You can repeat HIS PROPERTY all you want. His business was found to be discriminating against gay customers and it has a location within city limits. Laws are based on public accommodation not the public or private ownership of the business.
Public accommodations laws date back to the aftermath of the Civil War. Introduced and adopted by Republicans in the Civil Rights Act of 1875, public accommodations share a lineage with the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the US Constitution. As Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote in his eloquent dissent to the Civil Rights Cases, “Citizenship in this country necessarily imports equality of civil rights among citizens … It is fundamental in American citizenship that … there shall be no discrimination by … corporations exercising public functions.”
I cannot refuse to make someone a cake on account of being Christian, but they can refuse to make me a cake for being gay. The rules are stacked in favor of the religious right. Enjoy it while it exists.
Nathaniel Lewis
He does realize they're going to attack him when he goes back there doesn't he?
Samuel Collins
>WAHHHHH GIBSMEDAT WAHHHH Gays are so annoying. Grow up.
Adrian Stewart
why don't gays go to Halal bakeries? At least the Moslems share our sentiments about gays.
Easton Peterson
Nobody is forcing him to allow gays to marry. If he doesn't want to sell his services to gays he can simply stop doing business entirely. He chose to enter a market with rules attached.
Aaron Jones
So if mental anguish can be proved is that an interest of the government to prevent harm to its citizens on that basis?
>It's not even a Church >It's one guy's private fucking property >Let's send the morality police after him and lay completely unrelated punitive actions against him for wrongthink
Joshua Nelson
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Mason Wilson
The government is causing me anguish by not giving me free stuff. Gibsmedat! It's the law!!
Faggots are baby-brained.
David Ramirez
go bother muslim cake owners, i bet you too scared to even do that
Jack Lee
he sells apple at the market you nompty, not provide a venue, the venue is most likely through private verbal contract on a person to person basis, and he has to actually work on said venue so I doubt he lets everyone who asks to
Jaxson Collins
Should religious people have the right to do drugs illegal by state law on private property?
Xavier White
I do it all the time bruh
Liam Robinson
He's also required to be handicap accesible and have wheelchair ramps and shit. You gonna complain about that too or is this purely because fags are involved?
Andrew Carter
It doesn't matter how the wedding venue issues contracts, his business routinely discriminates against homosexuals, which is prohibited under local law.
John Phillips
no its through civil court, which the govt. can't get into, ie. the govt. cant penalize him the courts do and its usually in the form of monetary compensation, not criminal enforcement
Alexander Lewis
They do regardless of law. I don't know why you're so obsessed with made up shit. Stop whining.
Kayden Price
Wait what? The government can file claims in civil court. What are you saying? Nobody is suggesting the farmer engaged in criminal conduct.
