What's Sup Forumss opinion on a single payer system and medicare for all? Canada has it, so does Australia and Scotland...

What's Sup Forumss opinion on a single payer system and medicare for all? Canada has it, so does Australia and Scotland. Should Trump pass Bernies bill?

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Fuck communism. Have the UK fix NHS first to show us all how True Communism can work.

Yes.
No system is perfect but a universal system is the best of all bad systems.
Risking the chance of being bankrupted because of an illness is fucked up.

Remove all the Hispanics and Blacks from America, then we'll talk about healthcare.

How is Medicare for all communism exactly?

God Americans love private companies so much that they dont even see what's good for them

>Country is 56% white
>Niggers and tacos constantly shitting out an absolute TORRENT of babies while also not paying into the tax system

Hm, yes OP! This sounds viable. I mean, what's the worst that could happen when 50% of your country's adult population literally doesn't pay into the NHS, and the ENTIRE NIGGERFUCKING BILL is footed by white men? Not even white people, white MEN.

Fucking moron. Your health system is already bending the fucking knee and buckling under the weight of Ahmed forcing his 12 year old wife to shoot 10 retarded incest babies from her cunt.

Do you not even know what communism is?

You're retarded. Blacks helped build the south and Hispanics helped build the west coast and florida

It's called insurance idiot.
I literally have to buy multiple insurances because single payer doesn't work. On top of that I also have to have private insurance in case I am too sick to work. In short, this socialism bullshit is just for the shitheads who don't actually work at all, while I pay everything

Fuck off

You literally want people to die because they aren't white and have more children than whites? Grow up. Whites don't control politics anymore

Single payer, or any other socialist style system will fail because the needy will eventually not be able to support the contributors and the system will collapse.

If you removed non-whites and non-christians then it might be possible (but I wouldn't want to try it)

>while I pay everything

Republicans are annoying. You aren't paying anything more than anyone else so stop fucking crying and get over it. Money isn't everything.

If You don't like it then move

>Don't pay into system at all
>Leech off system
>EY YO NIGGA GIMME DAT FREE SHIIIIIET NIGGUH DAMN WHITEY KEEPIN' ME DOWN MAKIN' ME WORK AND GET A JOB AND EAT HEALTHY AND SHIET DAAAAAYUM BLM NIGGUUUUUUH
>ey holmes give me the free health care ese filthy gringo amerikan peeeg viva la raza make america mexico again why don't you give me FREE STUFF JUST FOR EXISTING

Life isn't good, you absolute cunt. Life is a horrible struggle. Animals, people, all living things perish horrifically for no reason other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and you expect hard working, taxpaying citizens to just spread their petite assholes wide for the foreign cock that gives them nothing in return and actively hates them? My almonds are so fucking active that I am firing impossibly powerful laser beams out of my cock straight at the moon, and carving a fucking impression of the Mona Lisa on its surface.

>only White Christians deserves Medicare

My man. Your identity politics will never work

>keeps crying

Healthcare is a right for every man woman and child. Even your housewife.

A man that's afraid to part ways with his money is a fool indeed

We don't have republicans in Australia Le retard
I am moving dickhead. I'm sick and tired of finding Le based ooga boogas
Fuck them all to hell. Let Australia go under in a storm of fire

They make the majority of the unemployed, the underemployed, and welfare recipients

he's right you know
t. trump voter

>we should remove the unemployed from America.

Yeah no

Where are you moving to, Europe?

Yeah. I know Le based ooga boogas are ruining Europe, but at least where I'm going tax rates are lower and less Le based Ooga Boogas in the work force. So I don't have to constantly fucking look at them

The reason why Obamacare is so fucked is because the US is many times sicker than what people thought we were

Which means people have been neglecting their health.

Having some universal coverage, for at least preventative care to encourage people to go to the doctor for checkups, would be a good thing to have.

Increasing the health of a country increases its productivity. It's a good investment. Much better than war, which no one seems to want to criticize.

Where are you going Luxembourg? Have fun because low taxes are for faggots

Dude the entire system is designed to make people sick and then strip out their assets before killing them. r u this new?

And that's entirely due to capitalistic thinking, in that making money takes priority over doing good.

Why not mechanically separate meat and grind up all the parts of the animal for filler when it makes you more money? Who cares if it causes stomach and colon cancer.

If you mean "human capital" yes. Communism isn't going to fix that one bit, since it is the same thing.

>social programs
>communism
Sup Forums- Politically illiterate

>oy vey total hardcore communist health care is just a social program
>wtf goy!

I'm not necessarily arguing for communism, more of a humanitarian view of health and food, which would mean the implementation of socialist programs because we would be maximizing our health instead of money in these fields.

Just take my example of processed meat. In capitalism making processed meat is A OK, in fact encouraged as it makes meat makers more money. In a more health-centric system doing such would be illegal because it causes death and disease.

It shouldn't be a problem even for libertarians if you ask me. The state would only be doing what it already does in other situations; namely being an insurance company for all citizens.

Now, you could create a compromise. You could have a baseline insurance statewise, that all people had, but also allow private insurance as well, such that people who wanted more quality coverage could do so, but there's no reason why Jim Bob who is unemployed should have to pay a million dollars for a 20 minute surgery in his small intestine.

Communism would do the same thing. It has nothing to do with any -ism.

If you want to argue about processed meat (which I agree is a terrible thing) then argue about processed meat. At least back in the day people would argue about The Jungle in order to implement total government control in the form of the FDA instead of directly about (((capitalism))) without any understanding of what that word even means.

The thing is I'm not arguing for communism. You say for me to argue about processed meat but you're the one that brought up communism because any discussion that does not fit a hard right-libertarian mindset is automatically labeled communism here.

I don't even know what you're trying to argue for anymore. That's the problem with you communists is you can never lay out a better idea.

I was watching a very good communist lecture the other day -- old jew no surprise -- and the whole thing was all about how the main problem was that we all needed to commit the mental fortitude to figuring out how the next iteration of communism could work because the previous iterations weren't going to work again. And that was it.

Who pays for these people? When not even the academics have any ideas left you know you have a problem.

It's unsustainable.

And now you demagogue your way to win the argument.

Which means you have no intention of having an intelligent conversation, but rather an argument where you win.

Communism / socialism cannot be implemented, at least in the medical field, because capitalism has spawned a system that is designed to make you sick and take everything from you.

Your position is weak, and that is why you must resort to ad hominem.

We have it here, works nicely. We should all watch out for eachother, we are a nation and a people, not just a lone organism

You're on Sup Forums m8. The NatSocs here usually don't have a problem with literal Communism, as long as niggers and foreigners in general don't benefit.

I don't care how sick you are, your health is your responsibility, and if you have to die because of your lack of it, it's on you, not me.

True story. Sell you poison, then sell you an antidote. Works wonders, humanity is lost as as side effect though, but it's alright we don't live long anyway..

but that's crony capitalism user!

my version of capitalism surely will work this time!

>my shit country is shit
>instead of doing my part and fixing it, I'll just run away

You are no better than Syrian men running with their tails between their legs from the very nation they should be trying to fix

We don't want your kind here

So it's fine if your sister or friend die from a disease, since it's natural ? I'm fine with the idea, but I thought humanity went past the neanderthal level.

Dude it's about resource control and power, not -ism systems. The entire push behing hillarycare/romneycare/obamacare was to get a globalized electronic medical system as a footpath toward transhumanism.

And here you are worried about "capitalism" without even being able to define your terms. You sound like a true student of Marx.

That's kinda sick. If taxes are paid and laws are followed, everyone should be able to enjoy what they paid for

Have you even read the bill you stupid nigger? Much less even have you read their FAQ? It is full of lies and mental retardation. Hard working and prosperous Americans will be paying out the ass while you communist niggers will sit around not working getting free healthcare.

>What constitutes "paying out the ass" user?
45$/10k earned so households whom are productive and have salaries cumulatively say at like 150k, are paying nearly 800$/month for insurance, while some layabout gets it for free or for 45$.

This is unacceptable. This is communism. Not to mention you will wait for months to a year to get that service and here is a quote about that from their site:

>If you had to wait for long periods of time to get medical attention, we would hear about that more. It would be headline front page news in the mass media.
>omg my mass media doesnt tell us so it must not be true!
This is faggotry of the highest order and will be swiftly veto'd

How is that sick? Niggers don't pay and neither do foreigners.

Obama wanted single payer, not this insurance dick sucking shit show

But then the right and centrist democrats had to butt in.

Then we can have Bernie pass a bill making single source suppliers mandatory for the entire US economy. One government store for groceries, another for auto repairs, same for appliances, et c.

Or, we could free health care to compete nationwide, at no additional cost to any tax payer, like any other product or service in the US economy.

Single payer isn't about health care, its about a massive transfer of power & money to the feds..

>Dude it's about resource control and power, not -ism systems.

>And here you are worried about "capitalism" without even being able to define your terms

These two statements contradict each other.

Like I said, you're not interested in an intelligent discussion.

That is a system that is highly dependent on its citizens actually working and paying taxes, which a lot of people are trying to avoid here

Obama was following transhumanist marching orders. Nothing more, nothing less. Hillary and Romney couldn't get it done.

I don't have a sister.
>but I thought humanity went past the neanderthal level.
So did I.
youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

Not likely, and let all those libs who turned their back to hillary hide in shame. They won't be getting shit from Drumpf and his Nazi clan.

Bernie wants to open the US Pharmaceutical market to global pharmaceutical companies to lower prices through competition

That's the opposite of socialism / government control of healthcare.

rhetorical criticism is not an argument

If they don't pay, they can fuck right off. If they do pay, follow the laws and work for the betterment of the nation that is currently tolerating them, they should have access to healthcare

Why not require their home nation to pay?

Yes but Amerifats unironically believe that it's communism to have the same medical rights as the rest of the developed world, so good luck

You're retarded if you think our system is good

Because they already dont pay their debts?

Your system is cheaper and has better outcomes than ours.

Drug prices are but a slice of the pie. Single Payer is way more than drug prices.

A baseline level of universal healthcare that only covers serious medical emergencies makes sense to me. Anything beyond that should be handled by the free market.

>medical rights
We require kids to get shot up with needless vaccines and routinely perform unnecessary genital mutilations for extra organ trade shekels.

What medical rights are you talking about?

It's money transfer from whites to negroes and spics.
I would be in favour of it for an all white nation.

Drug prices are a large portion of why healthcare is so expensive.

People are really sick, therefore they need really expensive medicine to get better.

This would also reduce the amount people would have to pay in taxes under a single payer system.

ours is cheaper but has worse outcome and is REALLY inefficient
We also have waiting lists for waiting lists and that's in an 80ish% white country, what makes you think it would work in the land of the 56?

There is no (((right))) to universal health care.

A right is something one is willing to fight for, up to giving one's life to secure that right for others. Show me one sot willing to die for universal heath coverage for a junkie, an alcoholic, a habitual smoker, et c.

Yeah, though so.

Youre still thinking too small. Drug prices are not the problem. Not getting any treatment at all because there are 100 gimmiedats ahead of an actual payer is a larger part of the problem. There is a reason wait times in socialized medicare are not discussed in the American sphere of influence, they dont want people to know the truth of socialized care.

I always get a good laugh when people who claim to be so worried about "sustainable" want Universal Healthcare. LOL. How can so many people be so fucking dumb.

Yes I'm retarded if I think poor people should just die

Bullshit. Just pass regulations that standardize healthcare to make it more efficient and eliminate all the middlemen. All of this could be solve by making generics available, standardize records and making prices available up front.

You do realize the reason drug companies have higher prices here is to force the US to subsidize "healthcare" in other parts of the world?

Clueless fuck.

Ever seen the bills for an MRI or a hospital stay?

Jeep quiet, your ignorance is showing.

>muh wait times

I just had to wait nearly a year to see a neurologist in our superior privatized healthcare system.

What is any different in the US when the only insurance you can afford is only accepted by 1 or 2 doctors in your area?

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Honestly...its the most efficient system. Problem is we will have a bunch of system abusers who take take more than they contribute. Average white American already contributes far more than blacks and mexicans...just another way to transfer wealth.

The health care industry is obscene.

Anyone who is vehemently for it, or a "free market utopia" version of it, have clearly never dealt with hospital bills.

They send me astronomical bills all the time, and my insurance obviously settles for whatever figure they negotiate. This is the problem when health care has a profit motive. I've had 5000 dollar bills sent to my home just for being in the ER for two hours and getting an IV/blood drawn. Had an almost 20k bill once for being hospitalized for 2 days.

I've been in accidents/scary health crises and been questioned by the EMTs, which hospitals I want to go to. No more than 5 mins upon getting a hospital bed, an "accounts receivable", i.e. billing person walks in to get me to sign off on a form saying, I give them permission to bill me for whatever services they decide to give me. It's like signing off on a blank check. One time, I stepped out of the ER lobby, after having some stiches done, to make a private phone call, and a billing person literally chases after me because they couldn't get my signature before, since they were stiching me up. I nearly punched that bitch square in the face when she so rudely interrupted me. Zero tact.

That is the state of health care in America. I'm for single payer, even if our precious tax dollars will mostly go to Tyrones and undocumented people, just to put these kikes out of business.

poor people won't die unless they're dumb enough not to get basic insurances, if they are that dumb they deserve to die

Oy vey, don't you want your kids to be able to take hormone blockers and prevent them from developing a full size penis creating another issue later in their trans lives where they then lack organ tissue to make a full sized transvagina? What a right wing bigot!!

I too assume the most intense definition of rights possible to reach my ideological aim

Obscene hospital bills are due to uninsured people using emergency rooms as primary care providers.

This reinforces my argument.

England pays for Scotland's healthcare so idk what you're on about.

You realize we're talking about the burgers, right? Have you seen their medical receipts?

Processed meet? Change your damn flag right now. You are too stupid to be AMerican.

Sausage, indeed.

Make testosterone pills free at the grocery store and maybe we'll talk.

We have standardized prices right now. For every single thing. You don't know what you are talking about.

The people this dumb are mostly niggers and spics, letting them die is actually good because
>noone can say you're ethnically cleansing because technically you're not
>All the niggers and spics are dropping like flies

With Obamacare I bet you did, all part of the plan. However I still bet you didnt.

The issue with the price of any medical service (hospitals included, I know that pain), is that there is NO relationship to cost.

The make up a number. Currently the insurer, or the insured, can simply say, "Too much, lower that price" and the provider settles.

I 'negotiated' a 1,400 USD co-pay down to 42 USD by not paying and writing letters to the provider accusing them of raping me on the price of the service.

A nation-wide market will lower prices, as is has with every other product or service in the US economy. Don't be obtuse.

Insurance fag reporting in.
It's a retarded idea that will increase the cost of healthcare, put your health solely in the hands of insurance companies, as well as limit options and doctors. Why the fuck would a doctor work and not be paid for what they are worth? Single payer would mean a negotiated price on everything and like college, this will lead to inflation of the cost of services or just refusal to cover. Docs will also get out of the single payer "network" and opt to provide on their own(to avoid regulatory issues as well as to make money). End of day, you niggers who want this are going to be taxed to death, or may as well kys now because shit has to be approved to be covered. Less expensive option is ALWAYS first. That option is not always best for patient.
See how the faggot VA operates? Or if you know someone in the military, ask about tricare and base hospital horror stories.
Pathetic niggers must be 12 and still on mom's plan not understanding that single payer = shit quality care.

Do you even actuary table bro?

Whoaaa...hold it there.... when you say amerifats, because half of the country wants to go universal. Trumptards are not America, there just at the ass end of it.

This would be a massive transfer of wealth from whites to niggers and spics that are lazy and will abuse the system.

we already have medical insurance for all. you just have to jump through hoops to get it. if you're poor you get it for free. and theres tons of plans that are relatively cheap and good. you just dont look at the obamacare website. you fucking call these companies up and get individual rates and quotes and haggle with them. and unlike germany, its illegal to charge for preexisting conditions.

You dont pay attention to ham planets at your pride rallies there eh? Just because a bunch of you live off leeks and soy to build up your estrogen doesnt mean there arent fatty fats who want leach off the system on your side. Btw those fat niggers are also going to be in your way trying to get medical assistance for being unable to stop themselves from eating oreos by the sleeve, or mayo straight out of the bottle.

you know what would solve the problem with the fatties and insurance companies? what if in order for a fatty to get a good insurance rate, they had to take out a life insurance policy and have the beneficiary be the medical insurance company. so the fatty would be paying for their life insurance and then when they kick the bucket the insurance company gets returns.

Not an argument.

But you put your faith in the MSM poll numbers, just like you did in the last election. Hate to pop your bubble: MSM makes those numbers up to support their narrative. Lefties gobble that shit up, ass to mouth. Can you even unseal your lips from the MSM sphincter at this point?

No fucktard. The prices are made by a machine and every hospital has the machine set the prices for that specific hospital. And they keep that shit secret until after you get treated. You can't call up a hospital and ask for a price, not to mention it's overcharged to take advantage of rich people. And when I mean standardize i mean getting rid of hospital IT records guys who's job it is to make sure all the paperwork gets down correctly since every insurance company have their own paperwork and legal shit to go through.

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