What the fuck is even a "centrist"?

What the fuck is even a "centrist"?

How can you be for big government (left) and simultaneously for small government (right)?

Because neither option has all of the answers for an "optimal society". As a centrist, you get to pick and choose what feels correct from every area on the political spectrum.

That is only how right vs. left works if you oversimplify it.
Anyway being a centrist is having no opinions and walking around, thinking nothing because that would be dumb

>there is no size between big and small

Also, I'm sure there are leftists for small gov and right for big gov. You are presenting a false dichotomy.

"Centrist" now means "status quo". Usually while maintaining and enforcing the Deep State and government bureaucracy.

So everyone is at the whim of useful idiots who can't figure out what they believe in?

You don't want to get suicided saying anti-semitic stuff like that.

Centrist are contrarians who think they're superior to everybody irregardless of their political views.

It has the hallmarks of a personality disorder if you ask me.

The left rejects reality, the right accepts reality.
To be a centrist, you must believe the little lies so you can escape the harrowing truth when you can't handle it.

Medium isn't a thing?

In America, it starts at XXL.

Left vs. right is not big government vs. small government. As long as there is a bourgeoisie, they will exploit the system in place. Sometimes, that includes increasing the size and scope of the government.

But centrists are a joke, who inherently support the racist, oppressive, and violent regimes in place.

Being a centrist is either

1. Being a pussy who can't make up your mind so you "agree with everyone"
2. Simply being uneducated about the actual issues

The only thing you find in the middle of the road are dead animals, pick a side

People have been told that compromise is good. They expect both sides to act rationally. As has been proven recently, this assumption can no longer be made.

I agree with you. Fuck those people who think that both sides are the same, which makes them better.

Being a centrist means you realize everyone is an idiot, including yourself. You are just waiting for those idiots on the right and the left to get off their high horses, thinking they know what is correct, and that it is the de facto way forward. Those who identify with the left or the right are the ones causing the problems, they are the one's getting into fights over non-issues and not living peacefully.

t.centrist

So where does that place atheistic jews or any other group who have no leaning but to the tribe? You act like reality doesn't have malicious actors outside of the political/social atmosphere.

False dichotomy, there will always be members of both the bourgeouise and the bohemian that will exploit the system, one is not better than the other inherently.

>You act like reality doesn't have malicious actors outside of the political/social atmosphere.
I don't act this way, see my post

There can be no peace. As long as cops are shooting people in the street, we are drone striking people, and corporations are getting away with manslaughter and terrible violence, there is no peace. It is just that the lack of peace is presumably advantageous to you, or you have been tricked into thinking that it is advantageous to you.

I imagine many of these non-issues are actually fairly grievous, it is just that it does not affect you personally and you lack the intelligence and empathy to care.

You are a child who does not understand. It is like you do not understand physics, and then claim that physics cannot be understood by anyone.

>man all those people with opinions, they're the problem!
Centrism is just a title for people who want to justify their laziness/lack of conviction

>In politics, centrism or the centre is a political outlook or specific position that involves acceptance or support of a balance of a degree of social equality and a degree of social hierarchy, while opposing political changes which would result in a significant shift of society either strongly to the left or the right.
Centrism is about compromise, working with both extremists to find a happy middle.

Example
>Right: White Lives Matter
>Left: Black Lives Matter
>Center: All Lives Matter

Centrists are cattle that will follow whomever is in charge.

Only an idiot thinks that it has to be one or the other and you cannot coherently review something on its own merits.
You can be in favor of the government doing some shit and against it doing other shit.

There will not always be members of the bourgeoisie. You have convinced yourself that change is impossible. Sad.

You can find one that is better than the other inherently. One side will have facts and logic supporting it. If you are curious, it is not the side you are currently on.

>big government = left
>small government = right
kek

>oh look it's the KKK vs. black lives matter argument again
>implying the KKK isn't 100 federal agents sitting in a forest drinking beer and LARPing as rednecks

What is the compromise between slavery and abolitionism? Half-slavery? Same with genocide, human rights, etc.

It was not the center saying all lives matter. The conservatives said that as a means of not having to think about the deep and endemic problems in the American justice system.

>tfw you will never haggle over the price of a hottentot
just end me already

>Center: All Lives Matter
>Chanting all lives matter is racist
Or did everyone miss that happening already?

>slavery and abolitionism
>Indentured Servants in Colonial Virginia. Indentured servants were men and women who signed a contract (also known as an indenture or a covenant) by which they agreed to work for a certain number of years in exchange for transportation to Virginia and, once they arrived, food, clothing, and shelter

tfw no extra THICC khoi slave

>There can be no peace. As long as cops are shooting people in the street, we are drone striking people, and corporations are getting away with manslaughter and terrible violence, there is no peace.

Individuals create peace by acting peaceful in times of strife. No one is going to commend an animal lashing out in fear and anger. If anything the sensationalist left and right need the help of those who cultivate peace inside themselves. That includes the shady governments of the worlds and their drone strikes and racist cops.

>Centrism is just a title for people who want to justify their laziness/lack of conviction

Except having a political "conviction" is unscientific, especially when NO political ideology has EVER solved all of mankind's problems in an optimal fashion.

centrist =/= nuetrality

>One side will have facts and logic supporting it
yup, its called anarcho capitalism, the only group to successfully predict that bitcoin would be more than a dollar, using facts and logic

centrism is literally

>dude what sounds good lmao

it's being politically illiterate and unread: the position

...

Do you know what a "niche" is?

>You can find one that is better than the other inherently. One side will have facts and logic supporting it.

This works for individual arguments and issues, but to claim on side (left or right) will always be more correct than the other is lunacy.

What does this have to do with anything? Choosing to submit yourself to this system is not great and morally dubious, but it has very little in common with the categorical suspension of rights and the fact that black people were treated as property.

This is a load of horse shit. There are individuals who do not want peace, as the violence is advantageous to them. You are perfectly fine with them continuing their violence.

The left is helping those who want to cultivate peace inside themselves, and the right is shouting about killing black people. What are you supposed to do? Let them perpetuate this injustice?

>political conviction is unscientific
Yes, so is politics in general...it isn't a science my man, I don't care if your university professor says otherwise.

>dude wheres my civilization

Centrists support medium government, numbnuts.

It's sad that people actually shame all Jews for the actions of a few.

You can see that all over this board. People on this board want all Jews to die, even though most Jews are right-wing and pro-family.

This board is full of racist fuckers ridiculing genuine causes and kissing the ass of the establishment. That's why there are /ptg/ threads every day and racist threads ridiculing and bashing minorities like me. That's why you guys shame the Jews, the powerless, like me.

There can be no anarcho-capitalism. It is an inherent contradiction. Furthermore, I care very little that you have all convinced yourselves that a bitcoin is worth more than a dollar. This does not matter.

I do know what a niche is. It is entirely possible that one side relies on illogic consistently, even likely, given that people are more likely to respond to emotions rather than facts.

you are sheep who willfully remain to be sheep because you think all shepards are somehow wrong

understand that you are slave to others, not master. The people with conviction are the people who lead.

It is now clear to me that you do not actually understand how the world works. Why on earth would you assume that an ideology has to solve every problem mankind has ever had to be perfect?

Why can't one just be better than the other?

>How can you be for big government (left) and simultaneously for small government (right)?

Imagine there are 2 centrists. One believes in big, the other in small government but one can't believe in both... What exactly is so hard to understand?

>agree with leftist tax policies
>agree with right ideas on welfare
>agree with left on social subsidies
>agree with right on personal liberties and rights
>want both sides to stop pushing religeon, sex, and race because those are small fries compared to the real issues which is money, bread, and circus
guess im just a dummy who has no ideas of my own, right?

Because you're a fucking idiot

>big government (left)
>small government (right)

the government is always big, bro
besides, the government should be for YOU, a simple fact many forget today

>agree with leftist tax policies
>agree with right ideas on welfare
High taxes for no welfare? WEW lad that's some next level money burning right there.

take off that cuckistan flag schlomo

>agree with leftist tax policies
>agree with right on personal liberties and rights

Pick one

Centrism is a beautifully simple way of avoiding the trap of the Hegalian dialectic

>This is a load of horse shit. There are individuals who do not want peace, as the violence is advantageous to them. You are perfectly fine with them continuing their violence.

I'm not actually, I think anyone committing violence is straying from the path of righteousness, I just know that forcing their hand to be peaceful will cause a backlash. You have to teach them lovingly, and yes, with facts. There's no other way to learn and successfully integrate actually.
>The left is helping those who want to cultivate peace inside themselves, and the right is shouting about killing black people. What are you supposed to do? Let them perpetuate this injustice?

While your correct about the right being racists, have you forgotten about Antifa? Or, for example, all of the people killed under communism?

high taxes to get shit done fdr style. welfare is necessary and helpful but there shouldnt be people who rely on it exclusively. its not hard to understand.

Seems like nobody have a clue as to what a centrist is. Could be because political climates throughout time, history and different groups are so different that the middle ground among political factions all over the world varies in opinions.

For example: a Sauidi Arabian centrist is likely different from centrist in America.

I suppose the closest comparison I personally have is that a centrist is to politics what agnostics are to religion

it is possible to have both. make america great again!

>wants high taxes
>wants the gov't to do nothing with that tax money
what did he mean by this

A centrist is just what someone calls themselves when they decide on each issue for themselves instead of voting along a party line
>Gee this bill to prevent banks from investing my money in dangerous derivatives sound pretty good
>Hmn, this bill that allows a looser tax rate for companies big and small sounds like what I want to happen
Why would I vote exactly in line with one party or the other when I can just decide for myself, exercise my right to be heard?

That's not wht left and right means. They are incredibly loose terms and vary from region to region.

radical centrist reporting in

i dont want the government to give people a free ride on welfare. we need new infrastructure, and the jobs to develop it.

>fdr style
you do know he extended the great depression (this isn't up for debate, the majority of the depression was under his administration) and got us into war, right? right?

right?

>FDR
The guy who's policies made the Great Depression last 12 years instead of 6 or so? No thanks.

>How can you be for big government (left) and simultaneously for small government (right)?

It's not a matter of big gov't vs small gov't as much as it is cherry-picking certain issues. Personally I trust the right economically but I lean a little towards the left socially, as in I don't care about gays or abortion but trannies is where I draw the goddamn line. That shit aint right

Another word for (((Bipartisan)))

>It is entirely possible that one side relies on illogic consistently, even likely, given that people are more likely to respond to emotions rather than facts.

Wow. This exactly describes both the left and the right to me. Thanks for proving my point.

Because under God no one is better than anyone else. That's what I said in my first post. And aren't you the one who claimed we could get rid of the bourgeoisie? What is more likely? That no one will ever want to or become rich ever again, or we will find a political ideology that makes everyone happy?

>It's neither

yeah, pearl harbor was his mistake. WWII was awful. 1/16th the earth population gone. however lets not pretebd be wasbt a tyrant for 12 years who put people to work and generated revenue.

>Durr hurr they're equally bad guys!
You are a massive faggot

It seems that you are entirely unwilling to do anything about people straying from the path of righteousness. When that is due to a political ideology, you have no choice but to oppose it. When you do not do this, you are acting in an unjust fashion. Washing your hands of it does not help.

Of course there will be backlash. Will the backlash be as bad as the injustice? Almost certainly not.

I have not forgotten about antifa. What are the supposed to do? Turn the other cheek? And the communists killed far fewer people than others.

>How can you be fiscally conservative, support a states right to manage its own laws and finances, but believe that people should have the right to do whatever they want.....So long as they understand that I will probably call them degenerate.


Basically I don't give a fuck what people do. I really don't. I know our Federal government is way over the line and has been for decades. The reserves need audited. The jews need run out. We need a financial system that is backed in real assets.....Full faith in the US government pretty much makes money worthless.

Everyone is just butthurt that they have trouble using strawman arguments on centrists.
I hate niggers, don't give a fuck about gay marriage and abortion, support personal and privacy rights and limited government but understand the need for certain regulations because I realize corporations primarily care about how much money they make would turn the earth into a desert if it made them a lot of money. So am I "some regulation supporting libertarian"?

>I trust the right economically but I lean a little towards the left socially,
how the fuck is this even possible, it's not cherry picking, you are literally advocating for living contradictions

>you: the right's economic freedom!
>also you: the left's social policies... which leech off economic freedom!

>b-but I got to break windows and fix it over and over again followed by digging useless ditches as my second job!
>at l-least I'm employed! As my economy tanks and my currency becomes worthless! muh GDP

this is brain on centrism, or rather, keynesian economics

It's great, they stand for fucking nothing and act like smart asses while doing it. Gas them.

they agree fully with everything the republican party does. as not doing so turns themselves into centrists.

It describes both the left and the right to you because you do not understand anything. Physics and chemistry are both complicated, but if you understand neither you can say they are both the same.

>under God
Oh shit, I did not realize you were retarded. My bad. No one has to be better than anyone else, they just have to produce better and more reasonable arguments.

It does not matter if they want to become rich if the system in place equally divides the means of production.

You keep spouting the notion that everyone can be happy. Where the fuck is that standard coming from? Why is a good, or even fucking useful standard?

Let's say you are rolling dice. You can bet on 1-5, whereas I can bet only on 6. You are saying that it is unwise to do anything, when that is not a fucking option.

that's why it isn't rare that you commie fucks make a 180° later in life discovering that the struggle against ebil capitalism requires fighting for the nation state which would curb the neoliberal forces of the global market - at this stage you are only an edge away from promoting socialism with a strong nation state to secure it AKA national socialism.

I live in Europe, seen a lot of former 1970s maoists make this turn.

The point is that nazis and commies both promote mass movements against the current state of affairs, thus automatically leaning on the totalitarian side where deviations are not allowed.

are you quoting me? did fdr smash windows or did he build the interstate?

I believe in nuance. I reject tribalism. I despise "us vs. them" rhetoric. think we should listen to each other and truly understand each other's positions. If that makes me a filthy centrist, then so be it.

just so naive

you are a libertarian, not centrist. Libertarian is for SOME government, not full ancap

if you have any strong or firm conviction then you are not centrist.

you understood what the interstate was built for right? to better mobilize troops if invaded on the home front?

he was a war monger, and yes he did advocate smashing windows. He wanted us to smash windows overseas and get involved in things we had very little business with. My god if it wasn't for FDR, then maybe Hitler could of completely eradicated communism. But nooooo

kill yourself you historically illiterate fuck

it is a game. They must win so that we lose. when they win they are good and right. It is whats most importabt. people band together in political parties to increase the chance of winning. the USA has made it so its a 50/50 chance if you join a team. you just have to agree with everythibg your team says and pull the team lever at the voting booth.

If there was just such a thing as, I don't know, varying degrees based on specific policies. And then add in that you can be economically left and socially right as well. And so on.
The people who don't understand what makes the Center out themselves as subhumans, niggers and inbreds that can only think in extremes.
Hell, Nazism was closer to center than it was "far-right". Guess the precious fuhrer was an "indecisive" cunt too.
Ask yourselves why Jews fear it especially much more than anything and it is because it puts balance in the mind of people and make it much harder to take advantage over than two extreme sides fighting eachother.

...what the fuck? Are you fucking retarded?

Fighting for communism is fighting against the nation-state, of your nations and of all nations. You have so poorly misunderstood communism, geopolitics, and literally everything else that talking to you is akin to speaking with a brick wall.

The current state of affairs is totalitarian to certain people, just not you. Deviation is allowed in communism, whereas certain deviations are entirely forbidden in the current state of affairs.

>It seems that you are entirely unwilling to do anything about people straying from the path of righteousness

You didn't read my post then friend. I said you have to teach them with love and compassion. Not counter-violence. To give in to violence will only set you and others back tenfold. My example of this is the black man who befriended and converted over 200 KKK members to being non-racist single handedly.

>I have not forgotten about antifa. What are the supposed to do? Turn the other cheek? And the communists killed far fewer people than others.

You seem to have forgotten the context to "turn the other cheek", because yes, you are supposed to solve conflicts peacefully and with compassion.

>And the communists killed far fewer people than others.

I don't know who you specifically mean by "others" in this case, but just under 100 million people dead by communism in one century isn't impressing me to your cause.

congrats, you now have a us vs them mentality against people who actually have firm convictions and political/economic understanding vs compromising-for-the-sake-of-it pussies such as yourself

You reject what made us strong moron. You can still get along with the other races while acknowledging sub species in humans. We're up against a collective, you're going down with us regardless.

There is no avoiding the hegelian dialectic. It is like avoiding air.

yeah i did know that. what does that have to do with forcing neets to go to work? honestly whats wrong with that? fixing broken windows inEurope paid our bills for 40 years. you sound like a neet hippie who is afraid of getting his hands doing doing work that needs to be done.

Centrist isn't a political position. It's a general swathe of thoughts on various political issues.

I recognize that abortion is necessary to keep the nigger population in check, so I lean left in that I am pro abortion.

I recognize that an armed population is necessary for true liberty from oppression, so I lean right on gun ownership.

The difference is that I won't outright reject tribalists. I won't call them my enemy. I won't try to convince all my friends that they're bad people. I won't try to ruin their reputation or get them fired. I will engage in discourse with them just as I would anyone else.

Also, I never said anything about compromise.

>doesn't really understand Hegalian dialectic

>What is the reconciliation of opposites?

Centrism isn't an exact 50-50 smattering of all political views m8, all it is is when you recognize that one side is right on certain issues and the other side is right on others.
Or hell, even if you recognize that both are wrong.
Even some of the genuine fascists on Sup Forums disagree with some "right"-leaning policies.

centrist is a dog whistle for radical leftist

Centrism

strategy not ideology


left/right
hegalian dialect
thesis + antithesis = synthesis
order out of chaos
divide and rule

nigger I run a small business, you don't just put them "to work" for the sake of it. Their work has to have MEANING. It has to have value and a return in the market. I could pay neets to dig ditches, but if those ditches are useless then you've just wasted everyone's time and money. It doesn't matter "if they had work", there wasn't any return and that means net losses of resources. How do you measure resources? Not by GDP, that's just for spending instead of saving.

Just like you, politicians are generally not businessmen, you have no understanding of the purpose of work other than "we must have work". What do you work for? What does it contribute to? Will this work really grant economic net gains? Retards like you will just say "we want more work, whatever it is, we just want it", because the moment you start realizing that your keynesian platform sucks donkey dick, the moment you get your grubby hands to printing money "because it helps the economy" to make things worse until people are pissed off enough to go to war

and faggots like you die in the front lines but hey, at least you were employed

>small government (right)
are people really this dumb?

every single country where c*mmunism was applied followed the same process of deterioration of even formal human rights.

Oh but that wasn't """"""TRUE""""""""""" communist, right?

Why did it end up in such a clusterfuck not only in Russia, but in China, Cambodia, Eastern Europe, and the most prime example of the evolution of actually existing communism - N. Korea which evolved in a despotic totalitarian shit-hole with hereditary rule???

As a "historical materialist" you should be able to notice some pattern here???