Goku absorbed the power of his God form and now his base form is just as strong right?

Goku absorbed the power of his God form and now his base form is just as strong right?

So why the hell is it that no matter how many power multipliers he stacks on top of his base form, he just can't ever seem to get anywhere close to Beerus?

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And how did Piccolo ever stand a chance at all against Frost, even for a little bit?

Looks like giving people daily medicine makes you stronger too.

Just accept that at this point, not even Toriyama cares about dragonball.

Strategy that involved dodging more than being upfront, plus Frost was worn down from his fight with Goku.

Surely even Toriyama must realize it doesnt make a lot of sense.

Even with being worn down the gap in power should be pretty huge. I mean think about how SSJ3 Goku vs Beerus was, and Piccolo doesnt hold a candle to SSJ3 Goku.

SSG Goku was pretty weak compared to Beerus (though Beerus lied to him saying he was using 70% of his power)

We don't know how strong Frost was, he was probably close to Cell's power, maybe weaker. Goku was holding back against him because he thought Frost was a good guy

>caring about the math about power levels means caring about dragonball
I guess he didn't care about power levels since the Frieza arc, where Piccolo went from being weaker than Nappa to, after one month of training at King Kai's and fusing with a nearly dead Namekian who couldn't even challenge Frieza's first form, was able to fight evenly with Frieza's second form.

During the Battle of gods movie, Beerus was only using 60% of his strength to fight Goku's god form.(red hair)

We've yet to see a proper battle against Goku's SSJGB form, kiao ken 10x

It was 70% actually.
Beerus only seemed slightly worried about SSB Kaioken.

If he was close to Cells power, a tap from Goku wouldve taken him out.

So Toriyama has ripped off Chinese web novels, along with an online web comic, without making it any better.

He's already a fossil, Dragon Ball Z is past its prime.

Why did Goku become so skinny?
It's like being smaller and skinner = stronger now.

Why don't the Gods of Destruction wear underwear?

>Why don't the Gods of Destruction wear underwear?

If YOU were a God of Destruction, would you wear some?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Toriyama said something along the lines of
>Gods don't need to show that they are strong. They already have the power in them.

or something. He said something completely differently but he probably meant this.

I would if my ass was always hanging out.

Blue Goku could have flicked him to begin with, but it's standard DBZ to start with 1℅ of your power and go from there.

Math never mattered in this piece of shit. Every time someone says "Kaioken x 5!!!" or "His SS form makes him 50 times stronger", just ignore it.

Great..now we're going to get villians looking like this faggot.

>is god of all of creation
>his guards are somehow fucking surprised that goku shakes his hand
>as if this is the first time they've ever seen the god behave this way
>being alive for millions of years and actually being surprised

sigh

Villians mostly want to scare others and look stronger.

Zen'o's not a villain. Goku still isn't even above Beerus' or Whis' power yet. Plus we still have an arc coming up where his opponents are still going to be regular fighters, just from different universes.

The entire fucking food thing behind Beerus and Whis is fucked up too.
Theyve already for who knows how long as well, but apparently Whis has never seen frozen food before? And Earth has like the best food ever? Come on.

Yeah it's silly.

It's best to just suspend belief and assume that Earth is the only planet in the universe that can make good food. I mean it wouldn't be impossible, just very unlikely.

Whatever, it's better than Gohan beating Perfect Cell while younger than Goku in chapter 1.
10x better than Trunks and Goten conveniently being able to go super saiyan from birth yet still never being relevant or even getting the tiniest bit stronger.

Consider Goku and Chichi way of life. The rest of the universe probably does the same thing.

I have no idea what you mean by this.
But apparently Beerus samples the finest cuisine from a planet before destroying it, which is usually just recolored versions of Earths food, and yet apparently instant noodles beat all of them out. Yeah, sure.

>even getting the tiniest bit stronger.

That was never implied nor shown.
Also it doesn't seem like Vegeta and Goku are caring about their training. They must be chilling all day long. No way in hell they would be even 20% of Gohan

When they are hungry they go out and hunt DINOSAURS and other monsters. Considering how they are and that Sayian and Namek (universe 6 indians) culture got pretty popular in the universe, it's not far fetched for the others to do the same shit

Considering how long theyve been alive and how many planets there supposedly are, its actually pretty damn farfetched that theyre so shocked by noodles or meat thats been seasoned.

>Guys! GUYS! Dragonball is being silly and it doesn't make much rational sense if you tried to apply logic to the joke!

What joke? The impression I get is that Toriyama really thought it would make sense for Earth to conveniently have the best cuisine in the history of the universe.
I mean christ apparently King Kai makes the same food on his planet and Beerus has been there before.

Oh yeah, I'm sure he was being serious when the gods treated instant fucking ramen as a great delicacy

we don't know how strong he became after absorbing the god form. My personal theory is that it simply made him able to become stronger, while before he kinda hit a limit with normal ki.

Rubberband mechanic.

>Zen'o's not a villain

Says who? The concept of being evil doesn't even exist to them. Hell, he's the one who appoints gods to destroy other planets for absolutely no reason.(or not explained yet)

Goku cannot get stronger than Beerus, its essentially impossible.

Which makes it interesting because Goku has never had someone who he couldn't get stronger than before

>Goku cannot get stronger than Beerus, its essentially impossible.
Except when he does. Beerus is simply the benchmark Goku must surpass. After Super, assuming Dragonball continues past that point (and really, why wouldn't it?), Beerus will join the long line of "people who did cool things once but don't anymore yet still show up regularly".

They destroyed them, stupid.

Goku was holding back a lot, and most likely not even using god ki (or he would have turned blue when trying to transform).

People thinking Frost and therefore Piccolo are close to Buuhan level are fucking retarded.

>Just accept that at this point, not even Toriyama cares about powerlevel bullshit.
Fixed for you.

Goku doesnt need to use God ki. His base form is God level now, remember? He took on Frieza in his base form, who Piccolo couldnt touch.

Frost got his ass kicked pretty easily until he poisoned Goku. Just because he fought Goku, it doesn't mean he's strong.

Obviously every other planet is either too primitive or way too advanced. Earth is at the right spot where they care more about the taste of their food than function or efficiency.

Who also appoints guardians to watch over them 24/7 who are also way stronger than them.

That doesn't mean he can't suppress his god ki just like he could suppress his regular ki before. Goku and Vegeta were obviously trying to keep their real strength hidden. IMO they fought at Buu saga level until they faced Hit and decided to get serious.

If Goku and Vegeta had been using god ki, they would have automatically turned blue since this form is literally just super saiyan + god ki.

The way they use it seems more like god ki only works against others with god ki. If you were as strong as a god, then a casual sneeze would obliterate planets, yet they can barely scratch an arena ring with angry full power ssj attacks.

Seems like Beerus is a combination of being true god level strong + having god ki. While Goku is just a really strong dude + god ki.

Is Black Goku stronger then Beerus?

My theory is that God/Red is not the same as Blue, hence the color difference. Blue uses God Ki, but it isn't refined, and doesn't hold the same power as Red. Theoretically, Goku touched God ki and is now able to use it, but he hasn't stretched into it to fully encapsulate the power level and become an actual God. It may not even be possible.

Because he's pregnant

Are you retarded? Dragon Ball isn't rocket science.

Extremely bad writing. Just roll with it, if you watch garbage deal with the stink.

Frost is as strong as King cold in my headcanon

but who is the father?

I really hope they do something with the red SSG form again eventually.

>powerlevel wanking

fuck off. Only niggers and spics do that. Are you THAT kind of fan? Are you worse than a nigger or a spic?

The only valid complaint about Super is the animation quality. Super has that one great quality that GT was sorely lacking - it's FUN.

the power of the daily dose.

Bulma is pretty based in Super 2bh desu

Remember that Frost can't sense power levels, so he can only assume piccolo is as strong as or stronger than him. On top of that, piccolo started charging an unknown attack from the get go.

So Frost keeps his distance and attempts to attack him without compromising himself. Attacking without going all in.
He finally put out a big attack to clear the clones knowing that piccolos leg injury would be good reason to go on the initiative.

Piccolo pretty much planned this out. Knowing that fighting with frost before hand would give away to much information about their power differences, and knowing that if he is like frieza, he can't sense what he's up against.

As for if the Makankosappo could hurt Frost. I think people assume that at a certain power above the energy attack, you are unphased by it. Really any energy attack is dangerous, and requires some defense. When fighters take the blasts and don't budge, its generally because they are so strong their natural ki output is enough to take the attack. But like Goku and the laser gun, letting your guard down completely makes you really vulnerable.
Generally when they use big beam attacks, they are attempting to overtake what the opposing fighter can comfortably guard. Doing so means they will no only take damage, but also exhaust a fair amount of Ki taking the shot.

Not only is special beam cannon a strong attack, but its a very focused piercing technique. You can't really guard against it, unless you are leagues stronger (like friezas death ray) so lets say Frost's power level is 1000 and piccolos beam is charged to 800. Frost takes that and his remaining power level is 200 (of course its not so black and white) If he doesn't fully guard it, he gets physically hurt by the attack.

SSB is stronger than SSG, Kotaku is fucking shit, Toriyama never said that SSG was stronger.

His base was amplified, it didn't get to SSG level though, considering how in the movie at the climax he powers up back into the form.

Super stated that his SSJ form, after absorbing god power, was just as strong as SSJ God though, and eliminated the use of SSJ God during the ending of the battle.

Either way, like mentioned above, Super also revealed that Beerus was lying about his power during that battle.
SSG being stronger than SSB was possible in the movies, but it's not possible in Super anime, where it's outright stated that SSB is stronger.

this is accurate
Base goku isn't as strong as SSG, but SSB is stronger. I'd say it isn't as strong as SS3 (remember that SSG raised gokus base so SS3 is a lot stronger then it was pre SSG) but SSB doesn't burn out their power as it is calm and focused, and doesn't rely on basically rage to work.
If it was even possible, I'd say that SS3 + KKx10 would of been stronger, but goku couldn't hold both at the same time

>Only 4 hours and 40 minutes
He should be

Vegeta

Mistakes into miracles

Wasn't he just surprised and not worried?

>Beerus will join the long line of "people who did cool things once but don't anymore yet still show up regularly".
>beerus just loitering around earth just like buu now

>Says who?

It is the other way around, retard. Who said Zeno was a villain in the first place? Show me your source, faggot.

>The concept of being evil doesn't even exist to them.

Oh boy, you are both a faggot AND an edgelord. Don't you have homework to do or something?

>Hell, he's the one who appoints gods to destroy other planets for absolutely no reason.

Idiot. If you payed attention you would know the fucking reason why they destroy planets. I suggest you stop being a fucking faggot and start paying attention, bitch.

literal autism

yeah, that was toriyama/toei trying to go full dragon ball were powerlevels werent that important and you could still use some strategy to fight.

With Cell the powerlevels became shit, "Im stronger than you therefore every punch and powerball you throw makes 0 damage"

But with frieza even if he was way stronger, still gohan, krillin, piccolo and vegeta managed to put a fight for a while.

In BoG it was mentioned to be something like this:
>On a scale from 1-10 Goku was a 5 and Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15

Why the normal humans went to see the tournament?

I mean during the saiyan invasion arc, gohan could barely see shit and needed to focus to be able to see the guys fighting, now at god levels Im sure nobody should be able to see shit

Because they wanted to go, and see Goku, Vegetable, Piccolo and Buu.

As soon as Goku and Vegeta surpass the lazy gods of destruction those two will go into the god time chamber and become 100x stronger.

Goku was a 6, not a 5.
Toriyama also said the longer the fight goes, the closer the gap would be because that's how it is with Goku.

Which is why him being able to use the God Ki in normal form doesn't mean fights would be over in an instant. He had already been fighting long enough to be revved up to use the God Ki in BOG.
Every other time we see him fighting in base form, it's a short fight, so he doesn't get powered up enough.

Who /hypefornextepisode/ here?

Always hyped for every episode

Toriyama is trying to retcon power levels after 3 whole arcs being focused and maintained around them and is instead trying to go for a natural sense of capabilities.

It's naturally failing miserably

>3 whole arcs focused around them
You what?

Frieza
Android
Buu

buu threw power levels out the window though.

Power levels more or less died out the moment they were introduced seeing as scouters instantly broke when met with the Z fighters.
After Frieza they were only ever mentioned if someone didn't realise they were useless like Tarble.

Looking back on it it's pretty amazing that they picked up as an actual measurement of power when they were introduced literally to show that there isn't.

Super has shit tier designs everybody is ugly, the colors are too bright and the quality is worse than GT. Of course everyone is going to look bad, but remember we got Blue Frieza, Fat Beerus, Girl Whis, Non Tarble AND we are getting Evil Nigga Goku for those who weren't satificed with Goku screen time. To be honest Super is looking like a fanfiction.

>and the quality is worse than GT.
Nah we aren't there yet.

No it didn't. Characters could not hurt him and were ineffective as fuck to him because they didn't have enough power and it was utilized as shit in Babidis ship too and all throughout the saga.

They didn't.

The mention of "Power levels" isn't the immediate numbers shown or some fag pointing his scouter at another fag and saying "He's this strong" It's literally about if you're strong enough to actually damage the opponent. In Super everyone is getting normalized to some degree because fuck that concept. You can hurt Beerus if you poke him in the eyes, but you can't keep up with him or reasonably kill him without some sort of trick.

That's the sort of path this shit is going. Like it's aiming to be a situation based Shounen.

Starting with Dragon Ball Super Toriyama (or rather, the writing staff) made a conscious effort to get away from power levels. In a lot of ways this can be seen in battle of Gods where Toriyama tried to undermine the series legacy of god tier fighters by introducing someone drastically above goku and vegeta in terms of strength in the form of Beerus.

The universe 6 tournament proves that power levels are no longer applicable to Dragon Ball. At the very least, everyone in Universe 6 would have to be Buu level to even see Goku fight, much less force him to use kaoiken.

the only way Super makes sense is if you throw out everything you know about power levels and training. Instead of a gradient in the thousands, power levels have to be thought of as 1s and 2s. Base Goku is a 1 before getting to Namek and becoming a 2. There he fights Frieza, a 3. By going Super Saiyan, Goku is able to become a 3 temporarily and beat Frieza. SS2 makes him a 4, so on and so forth. Perfect Cell would be a 4, which is why a Super Saiyan 2 is the only one who can beat him. Super Saiyan Blue wouldn't make you a 5 or a 6, it would just make you a more efficient 4. If you follow this logic, it's a little easier to swallow Hit and Cabba being able to hang with Goku and Vegeta despite not being on Buu's level, but it also requires you to completely ignore all training in the series that isn't done by Gohan.

>You can hurt Beerus if you poke him in the eyes, but you can't keep up with him or reasonably kill him without some sort of trick.
That's called a surprise attack and it's always been like that since the Saiyan saga. Remember when Yajirobe cut off Vegeta's tail?
How about when Goku bit Frieza's tail?

Power levels only refer to the number on the scouter outside of that they were never a thing, they were discarded very, very early on too.

>Goku absorbed the power of his God form and now his base form is just as strong right?

No. SSJ is equal to god form.

Webm related

>posting the webm that proves OP's statement
Nigga what?

In both the movie and anime Beerus says Goku absorbed the energy and his body got a feel for it.

Is it airing now? Link to the steam?

You're fucking retarded.

OP said Base Goku = God form

But that's wrong, SSJ Goku = God form

Stop being stupid.

Only 53 minutes

And the stream
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>now at god levels Im sure nobody should be able to see shit

Toriyama forgot about that.
Moving so fast the audience cant keep up was a thing back in DRAGONBALL.

Gives me time to play some FE.

SSB should be a higher multiplier than even SSJ3 right?
If Goku is God form in SSJ, which is like 50x, and SSJ is something like 200x or whatever, and SSB is 300x, shouldnt Goku be WAY past Beerus in SSB form? And then theres SSB Kaioken...

lol in SSB Kaioken vs Hit literally no one could see the fight (except maybe Jaco)

>SSB should be a higher multiplier than even SSJ3 right?
Not him but no, its just the SS multiplier attached to the god form.

I like fat Beerus.
I hope fat Beerus comes back soon.