Why the fuck dont sword users in animu land never use shields?

I have noticed that many anime characters rarely use shields even when they have the superhuman strength to make the shield's weight a complete nonfactor.

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samurai didn't use shields

Yh so what? A shield is a very good thing to have since it prevents your enemy from spamming swords attacks at you.

Block the blow with the shield, then angle it to shift the blade out of the way then stab the foe in their neck.

>not just spamming caestus parry
git gud

Why do they always push their swords against each other instead of grabbing the other person or parrying? Why do they always throw out telegraphed big single hits that somehow land because the plot demands they win? Why are anime fights outside of really high budget productions with varied choreography so shit in general?

Anime makes no fucking sense. If you can't deal with it then you're better off not watching it.

Didn't most samurai fight with spears and bows anyways

But user shields are better for strategic fighting and there are so many anime characters that would still be alive if they had fucking shields on them.

Strategic fighting is barely ever a thing in anime. It's always about who punches the hardest, screams the loudest, shits out the most special techniques or has the highest stakes riding on the outcome of the battle.

the katana was never the preferred weapon of samurai. it was at best a side arm. bow/arrows, spears or even later guns were all used more on the battlefield than the katana.

>hurr durr why don't anime follow MY expactations

This coming from someone who barely ever watches battle shounen, I might add.

And yet Japan hates guns nowadays.

Japan just has a hate boner for nobunaga

There are a lot of gun otaku in Japan actually. Probably because there's such a harsh ban on firearms in the country. But guns aren't considered to be "heroic" in the eyes of the masses.

But shields cant block those special attacks user.

Isn't dual wielding better than shields though? You can block too, but you can also stab them with the second hand.

Why stop at dual wielding? If I've learned anything from anime, it would be that more swords = better

You need superhuman flexibility to make dual wielding casual user. Also blocking a club with a sword blade is retarded.

Dual wielding also limits how you can attack since the blades themselves can get in the way also they can make for wonky balance especially with heavier weapons like swords.

dual wielding for mere mortals (not the musashis of the world) only works if the other weapon is a short sword

This thread made me realize that World Trigger and Shieldbro are the only manga I know of that has prominent shield users. This discrimination against shield users has to stop.

Most of the time you have a longer sword for attacking, and a shorter sword for parrying. Attacking and defending with two swords at the same time is incredibly difficult.

It not only animu thing. In western media shields are also not loved. Just look af GoT, in books every character use shield, in show i don't think they even know concept of shield.
Shame, shields are sexy as fuck

>"why no sword n shield?"
>not dual shielding
are you a pleb or what?

Short answer is because swords are cool and using shields ruins all the silly duel scenes. This goes way back not only in hollywood, but in theatre. It's probably thousands of years old at this point.

>tfw folks like Victor Panzer will never have their own show

Does he actually lift it, or just rolls it?

>Victor looks at puny you
>"Do you even lift bro?"

Because shields are useless. Learn how to dodge and roll.

Forget the shields. Where are the big fucking hammers at?

>Victor Panzer
>"c" instead of "k" with a German surname
Dropped.

Looks very mighty, though. Respect the SHIELD!

But a special shield can. Do you even anime logic?

Because most anime characters are hyper offensive and have super-strength, not super endurance (or at least not the same degree of super endurance).
They project more power than they can take with their bodies, which is why they prefer to parry with an attack rather than block.

And D-Gray Man next season.

Dual wielding isn't really practical if you're not Musashi.

Shields make dodging unnecessary since they can tank hits for you.

Dodging makes shields unnecessary since it allows you to dodge the attacks and give you more ground to attack back instead of standing around like a turtle.

No. They are meant to deflect strikes so the opponent loses balance.

muh black swordman with twin sword

Shields allow you to keep your stance and position without exposing your vitals and leaving you in a worse spot.

While it is just a fantasy show here's an attempt at an explanation.

Once armor become strong enough to deflect most attacks (escpially arrows) shields fell out of use. A person with good enough armor will simply not die no matter how many random hit you throw at them. The only way to kill the person is to land one extremely accurate shot into the places that are not well protected like the eye-slit. The ability to grapple from having a free hand is what will help you do this. So for a high armor person the best weapon is a two handed one, you can switch between two-handing it for parrying (more hands=more powerful guards) and one handing it when you can grapple the enemy.

Without strong armor if you have no shield it doesn't matter if you are the best swordsman in the world. You will die to the first volly of arrows.

Also no one really duel-wielded. weapon+shield is going to give you better defense and 2hand weapon will be able to put more force behind their attack making it so your 1-handed parry will fail. Duel-wield would also give you worst offense since what really matters is how much force you can have in one blow (two hands is twice the force), without enough force the armor will make your hit do zero damage.

Than again the loli isn't wear a helmet so she clearly doesn't care about not dying.

>next season.
>mfw my hasubando is coming back

If there are people that can split a fucking wall in two with a single strike, and those people are not really common but common enough to find one of those sooner than later, your shield is gonna do jack shit to protect you.

Also, japanese media is influenced by its history, as happens with the media of any other country, and as this user said japanese people never used them.

Also, the setting probably has magic users spamming fucking fireballs left and right, so, again, your shield is not gonna do shit to protect you.

You underestimate how much they love their katanas, they were until they japan saw regularly conflicts and needed to use more practical tactics. They switched to spears and bows and eventually firearms. Before that only female samurai used spears and other polearms.

too much stamina drain + poise is still turned off

Katana were a status symbol, not actually a particularly viable weapon in battle.

The only shield user on the whole server
because he fucking cheated

I love how despite being every swordman's wet dream the guy didn't workship swords unlike pretty much 90% of the writers

Different user.

Shields became less common as we moved into the shot and pike era. Swordplay became more about dueling and it wouldn't be practical to carry a shield with you leading to two handed dueling styles with sword and main gauche. Later dual wielding was abandoned as styles changed and the parry and riposte replaced blocking, the body was turned sideways to reduce the body profile, and the use of the lunge.

Originally Samurai were horseback archers with armies of long spearmen.

Even in WT nobody wants to use that shield because it's too heavy to lug around.

The only other Raygust users besides pic related are a super buff guy (who rarely even uses it for the shield) and the four eyed scrub MC who can't dodge unless his life depended on it.

Shields are for pussies

Real men spin

then why were europeans so fond of their rapiers and shit

were they even bigger nerds than the nips?

I dunno about other europeans but I like plain and practical weapons above anything else.

Superior Ultra Greatsword coming through

Fuck shields, use a goddamn helmet.

Why don't they never use shield?

orz

I'm reading through Shieldbro right now and it's pretty fucked up. I got to the part where he fights his cursed dragon. The dragon absorbs his hatred for the world to grow stronger and Shieldbro finally finds happiness and love for his party when he defeats it. Then all his party members toss his ass into the dragon's corpse to transfer his negative character traits back into him because they don't like the way he acts with his new lease on life, and this entire segment is played for laughs. That's some abstract form of suffering right there.

And then later on everyone can easily break through his defenses like nothing. What's even the point of having heroes if a slave can be raised in a few months to be stronger than they ever could be?

>japanese people never used them.
A myth.

The only reason the slaves are able to get that strong is due to the Hero weapons boosting both their stat gains and growth speed. If normal people just train and grind exp they don't get nearly as strong with those boosts.

Ahem

>not even 1000+ damage
Are you even trying?

Actually managed to do 2k against Soul of Cinder with a single hit in some magical bullshit way.

Because shields is for pussies. Shields ain't actually for pussies.

I'm only at SL70 on that playthrough, I assume you're higher.

SL 90, 33 STR/26 DEX/30 Faith

+10 Refined with Lightning Blade.

He's talking about the concept of chi or something to that effect that ignores defense/stats and can strengthen skills/magic. Shield bro learns how to use it to figure out how to counter shit like that. The old granny was a master at it and taught the slaves and mostly ratalia and that other girl that bow hero abandoned.

Notice the 400BC to 300 AD? You're talking about a very early period in Japanese history. Rome is still around.

Rapiers and other small blades were dueling weapons and part of popular dress until they were eventually supplanted by canes.

Also, naive/nice shieldbro is a bitch. Read "Start Over of The Spear Hero" where shield bitch dies over and over because he never got edgy and trusted everyone.

>sword + armor + shield

She's on the right track, now just needs a helmet and more muscle.

This is the Yayoi era, and the weapons in the picture roughly corresponds with the Migration period in Europe. They kept using shields way into the period that corresponds with the European middle ages.

What few people realise is that shields weren't all that common in Europe either past a certain point. At least not general purpose infantry shields, like you see in the early middle ages. During the high middle ages, shields already became more marginalised, since the armour became protective enough to do a lot of the defensive work. During the late middle ages, shields were only present in very specialised roles, from horseman's targes to deflect lances, to large stationary used paveses of crossbowmen, to light bucklers that could be worn by the side by infantry.

Shields are mostly characteristic of the early middle ages, when infantry was not as organised and armour wasn't protective enough. As soon as infantry became more organised and professional, not having to rely on single combat skills any more but on discipline and long pole-arms, shields just got in the way.

well japanese battles consisted of yelling the name of a guy on the other side and dueling 1v1 until the mongols invaded

I might add: the archaetypical Samurai people envision is essentially an Early Modern warrior. By the 15th century, shields weren't a common sight on European battlefields either.

The heavily armoured knight wearing plate armour, wielding a high medieval kite shield, like the typical Dark Souls character is essentially an anachronism, since shields like that simply weren't used any more. If anything the knight would be wearing a targe, but these were typically horseman's shields. On foot he'd likely rely on two-handed weaponry.

>By the 15th century
By that I meant: 16th century.

High Middle ages is the 15th century or so a very far cry from the Yayoi Period.

As far as I've read of shields in Japanese history were not so much handheld shields as movable barricades. I don't have detailed knowledge of all of Japanese history but I don't recall reading of or seeing images of widespread shield usage at Sekigahara or during the Sengoku Jidai and that covers pretty much all of the European Middle Ages.

No. You can attack the same amount of times with only one weapon AND have a shield to save your ass when you need to block.

>High Middle ages is the 15th century
The High Middle Ages would be the 10th - 13th century. 15th century would be the late middle ages, while the 16th century is commonly where the early modern period begins.

>As far as I've read of shields in Japanese history were not so much handheld shields as movable barricades.
During the Japanese iron age, they used shields quite similarly to how Europe did. Even their swords resembled European ones of the corresponding time period.

source on that one apparently horseback archery came later.

>The only way to kill the person is to land one extremely accurate shot into the places that are not well protected like the eye-slit.
Why not use something like a dagger then?

Because the other guy has a sword/spear/whatever that gives him a longer range? And a mace works just fine against armor

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A quick Google for a source, The Heian period is when the Samurai were established as a warrior class. The sidebar "Walk the Walk" specifically discusses archery.

historyoffighting.com/samurai-warriors-of-the-heian-period.php

The Kofun period is still early Japanese history, Yayoi>Kofun>Heian

No they fought with peasants.

It is. The question is what you're trying to say here.

Someone said that the Japanese people didn't use shields - which is factually wrong, because they did use regular infantry shields well into the 8th - 9th century or so - which corresponds with the European middle ages. This is quite a long period of time.

After that, their style of warfare changed, with the traditional infantry shield losing its place.

What should be noted however is that in Europe something similar happened. The golden age of shields were the early middle ages. After that, shields lost their importance and became more marginalised and most of all more specialised on the battlefields - being only employed in certain specific roles rather than being an item carried by pretty much every warrior on the field.

Funny thing, your husbando only shows up briefly as a wormslut if they follow the manga faithfully, so you don't get any hammer action either

They did use daggers for exactly that user. If I remember correctly the medieval daggers in question were called rondels, there may have been others types. They were a sidearm that you pulled out when a fight went to ground, since grappling makes larger weapons, especially two-handers real awkward. Rondels needed to be a lot sturdier than most daggers, and were more like a reinforced spike, because their primary use was for jamming through the joints and gaps in armor, and in a grapple where the other guy is trying to shank you with his own dagger, you have to expect to stab straight into platemail more often than you stab into person.

So yeah, daggers were used in plate, against plate. Why don't they get talked about much? They were a last resort. Its a hell of a lot safer to fight with a polearm from a formation than from a writhing stabby ball of arms and mud. If you had to use the rondel, it meant the lines were broken and discipline was shaken, so the only one keeping you alive is you, and you best shank a shiny plated bitch.

why use shields when katana folded 9000 times over, rekts it

shields didnt exist in feudal japan. its why they never used a shield wall and fighting for a extended period of time in japan was 1 on 1 in war

its not until they bought some match lock rifles from a dutch trading vessel and reverse engineering them that that changes some but it was supplemental they didnt go full gun many still fought 1 on 1 . then later buying a bunch of guns from the americans but that was after extended peace thanks to the unification of japan

>huurrr I played Dark Souls with my shitty shield because can't git gud, why can't animu follow suit
Please get castrated you manbaby

Because shields have more mass then katanas. This means that when you fold a shield 9000 times, it becomes super dense, and glows with an eery yet comforting patriotism. Fold it one more time, and the shield reaches critical mass, seeks out the nearest Japanese city, and cleanses it of ignorance in nuclear fire.

The mushroom cloud is made of souls burdened by the blight of the katana finally being freed from their burden and reaching Nirvana.

A Principate Legion would wreck any Sengoku Samurai Army any day.

but what if... you duel wielded shields...

>slow moving legions against mobile horse archers
Wasn't that one of the reasons why the empire fell?

lmao, mah nigga

>shields didnt exist in feudal japan.
You what m8? Even the freaking Zulus had shields for god sake.

Being a gun otaku is culturally fine and has been for a while. But to own a gun you have to take a full safety course, fill out a mountain of paperwork, and even then you have to keep it in a locker with only a few exceptions.
I don't have a strong opinion towards it. The law is the law but the cultural attitude towards guns isn't really "hate". Most Japanese just don't have any real "pride" towards owning weapons if that makes sense. The attitude is the same towards swords mind you.

That will probably change when Rise of the Shield Hero finally gets an anime adaption.

I don't have that nigga knight image on hand right now, but, yes shank two niggas at once.

Depends,in some scenarios it is.

Average user might say its unrealistic but theyre wrong. Parrying daggers were common and pretty effective for what they did.

of course you didnt see them in a battlefield because shield has plethora of uses like blocking projectiles. This is why parrying dagger is less known.

Theyre essentially tools for different situations doing the same job