Re-watching this movie and shows so many plot holes that it hurts.
Such as? I'm interested to hear it, anon.
I'll put some holes in you if you ever bad-mouth Haruhi again, buddy.
Well, nothing is really perfect just great.
Mostly the time travel shit and the fact that there is only one work in one space time continuum.
that there is only one world in one space time continuum.
I fail to see the issue there. I agree that the time travel stuff is a touch wonky in places, but the rules of this setting are basically being created by an imaginative 16 year old girl so I can swallow that a little more easily than some IPs.
It's that kind of show that you have to turn off your brain to watch and enjoy it,
Haruhi is utter shit.
Other characters were nice and enjoyable, but she was shit. The move was so good in comparison to main series because there was so little of Haruhi.
Enjoying the movie more because the character in the title is most of the time no preset.
But Haruhi is top tier.
haruhi is garbage, literally newfag first harem romcom
If you take the movie as a journey of Kyon's discovery of why he sticks around with the club and finds his purpose in it, it's a pretty good movie.
The time travel and character interactions are icing on the cake of the grand adventure.
You even get some development into some of the side cast (namely Itsuki and Nagato) and how they feel about their positions in Haruhi's world (Itsuki being jealous of not bringing out the fun in Haruhi since he loves her, Nagato getting tired of all the craziness she has to put up with despite bring programmed to not express emotion resulting with what happens in the movie).
Add some nice animation to that and you've got yourself a classic in my opinion.
That's just anime in general
Whipping out the big guns already?
She is an arrogant cunt pandering to pathetic masochistic betas.
She deserved Kyon's punch.
It isn't, and complaining about physics that are not even real can't be considered a "lot of plotholes" unless you prove it's inconsistent.
I guess you're just trying to hate a movie because it's popular.
She deserves Kyon's dick.
Has it occurred to you that the entire premise of the movie is 'oh god Haruhi is gone and I want her back'? Because that's pretty much the core conflict and it doesn't seem compatible with not liking her.
IT'S CALLED A FUCKING PLOT DEVICE.
Yes anon, because it's the true alphas that want submissive spineless sluts.
I don't care it's about bringing Haruhi back. I'm just happy there wasn't during most the movie I didn't had to see Haruhi being a annoying dick to everyone around with no consequences.
submissive spineless sluts
I honestly don't know who would find Mikuru interesting, but it surely wouldn't be true alpha.
But Haruhi is around for a good chunk of the movie, even if it's not the normal one.
She is nowhere near as irritating as in main series.
Anon, put those goalposts down for a second.
Haruhi is one of the best characters ever.
She's fantastic. I appreciate how she's not perfect and actually develops over the course of the series. Two things most shows copying her fail to do.
Those aren't plot holes, anon. If time travel exists in a series, then you automatically have to accept that paradoxes can't happen for some utterly inane reason, because that's literally part and parcel with time travel itself.
You could make the exact same complaint about Steins;Gate
You can apply that to everything and it will suddenly be good.
Sword Art Online isn't bad you just have to turn your brain off to enjoy it
The difference is that you're not judging it from its own writing you're judging it from a comparison with "reality".
This type of issue happens to everyone who worships "realism".
Steins;Gate clearly explain how it jumps from one time linen to another and creates new ones,
In Haruhi it was clearly stated that there is only one timeline and it was the one that was changed.
In Haruhi they explain how the 2 timelines work.
I don't give a shit about realism, the important thing is logic/consistency.
You haven't explained how it is inconsistent. You just pointed at "time travel" and scoffed at it.
Didn't they say Nagato just changed everyone's memories and position of things around, ergo when Kyon wakes up, that is when the world is back to normal and everything that happened before that was in the other world.
I think that's the gist of it. The AU only existed from the moment she created it, it didn't retroactively change events. That's why there was still an alien Nagato in the past to help them.
Isn't the time travel being contradictory intentional?
When Mikuru explains how the Time Plane Destruction Device works she says the events are predetermined the same way as a film reel goes, and TPDD only superimposes a new something over an existing frame of time, but at some point Kyon's actions actually change the outcome of the future? I don't exactly remember when the latter happens though.
That wasn't me.
I just said that "if you turn your brain off it's enjoyable" is a shitty argument.
It was stated a lot of time that there is only one time line. Then how can the past, present and future exist at the same time.
I want to fill movie-Haruhi's plot holes
Well I didn't turn off my brain for the movie and I enjoyed it.
I get what you're saying but I also get that some people can get overly critical up to a point where the standards are being held for their own purpose and no longer have any relations as to whether or not one enjoys a show or not. Like a checkbox of good taste or something.
She's an absolute angel in the film, both timelines.
Well the movie is post-nearly getting hit in the face, she's only getting better from then on
I wonder how badly the universe's ass would've been fractured if he landed that hit.
How does timeline not include the past and future?
Who decided god had to be so hot?
Dunno but I'd like to shake their hand
Dude missed the plot holes about how a 16 year old girl controls the universe, a 3 year old created entity can warp reality, some kid can turn in to light and shit, and a 16 year old time traveling girl with titties that big
How are any of these plot holes?
Even a shitty spinoff trying to push her out of her own series can't keep that body down.
Unless you're God who have seen the beginning and the end of the universe, that is not a plot hole.
Also, don't be a secondary.
3/4 series was about a guy who grumbled and complained that his life sucked and could be better then finally he got what he wanted. He finally realized his life was great and he really like his friends and would change the universe to get back that world that caused him so much troubles.
Basically, the is comparing to a lot of young peoples life. This is an example but, you probably bitched and moaned about school or work or whatever but when you had to leave, you wish you could go back. This move is an allegory for just enjoy your life while you can and cherish...something... you know what I mean.
You are just a literal retard if you cant see that.
That the point. I was repeating the same logic OP was using. As you can see it is flawed.
I'm well aware that this is where the movie was going thematically, I was just talking about it in a more literal sense to make a point for that anon.
Do you think that maybe she did it herself? It's possible that she was plain as hell before gaining her abilities.
Her other self in the alternate timeline from the movie doesn't have any special abilities but looks the same
But that was a timeline specifically crafted by Nagato, it may well not be representative of a world where Haruhi never got her powers.
What's the best pair and why is it
Koizumi x Kyouko?
I guess we'll never know. It's entirely possible
Nagato made Haruhi best girl in her own universe. I guess that settles it then.
To claim that anything related to time travel is a plot hole is to claim that you have figured out how time travelling and the fabric of reality works.
Even funneling her off to another school couldn't keep her down.
I feel that more shows need tsun men.
She might've been borrowing Haruhi's powers but she was limited by her own imagination.
I haven't read the books yet. But I remember a lot of people saying that there are hints of Kyon actually being the god and not Haruhi.
How do they re-conciliate that with how Nagato used Haruhi's powers to make a universe? Do they think she accidentally used Kyon's without realizing it?
When is the new season coming out ?
Very good question. It's possible that maybe Kyon is the source of the power but he inadvertently has given it to Haruhi in much the same way that Haruhi unintentionally created aliens, ESP users and time travelers.
Sooner than you'd think, but longer than you'd hope.
To be honest time travel itself is a "plot hole" as you say. It's not totally understood and the components of time travel are logically inconsistent and contradictory to the laws in existence today. So we can't really say that this plot device is a hole in the movie.
How is it a plot hole?
Haruhi is legitimately science fiction. There's nothing in it any less plausible than FTL, which is ubiquitous in all but the hardest SF.
In stories, plot holes are logical inconsistencies that include illogical events that contradict earlier events. So I'm just comparing time travel (I would assume backward in time was the argument) to plot holes; time travel back in time is considered impossible and it contradicts current laws of nature.
But time travelling is an established thing in that universe as we see with Mikuru. And Nagato explains how she did what she did.
What you're describing is "not trying to imitate real life". Which is what you'd expect from a world where a high school girl is god.
Yes I understand that time travel is established in Haruhi, but I'm talking how it is understood in real life.
The argument I'm trying to make is that OP can't say that "time travel" in Haruhi is a plot hole because "time travel" is a plot hole itself. He can't argue against something we don't quite comprehend. Sure it's said in Haruhi that time travel is justified as something this/that; however, OP has to remember that this is fictional-meaning that the author has full control of what he wants to define time travel as- and that this take on time travel doesn't have to be truly consistent with other takes on time travel.
OP says here that there is one world in one space time continuum, but do we truly know that is true or not if we ourselves don't understand completely the logic behind time travel? This is why I'm saying that OP can't argue that this is a plot hole since it's generally understood even by physicists today
If you want to argue that the rules or application of time travel within the setting create some kind of contradiction with other elements that is one thing, but time travel is not a plot hole. Time travel is a thing that exists in fiction but not in real life, like a lot of things in fiction.
it's not generally understood
is what I meant
I'm not sure you're understanding me quite fully, but what you said here
but time travel is not a plot hole. Time travel is a thing that exists in fiction but not in real life, like a lot of things in fiction
is exactly what I'm trying to argue.
Then it's a plot device. Why are you calling it a plot hole? I think I can kind of see what you're saying now that I read
So I'm just comparing time travel (I would assume backward in time was the argument) to plot holes; time travel back in time is considered impossible and it contradicts current laws of nature.
again but you've chosen a bizarrely obtuse way of conveying it.
I think I understand now. The wording of my initial argument wasn't so clear, but I was merely comparing time travel to the term "plot hole" in that both are inconsistent/contradictory and impossible. Not arguing that time travel itself IS a plot hole, but that by its definition it is flawed like plot holes. Clearing things up.
I think OP is trying to point out that in the movies it was stated a number of time that they all exist in one space time continuum and if that is the case then why there would be a time traveler at all as it would not make sense if there is time travelers at all. But it's a great show and I love it.
The movie was just a ripoff of End of Evangelion
There only being a single universe doesn't break time travel.
because the goddess Haruhi's will brought the existence of time travelers. also, the time travelers were said to have been unable to access the past of year 0, which is before 3 yrs Tanabata with young Haruhi. so now they apparently think Haruhi is the key to figuring out a solution to that problem.
The hints are all there in the anime.
She was charismatic even back then, here are some spoilers.
While my insides were still feeling like jelly, Sasaki said something that broke that stagnant
feeling. Yes, it was a shocking new revelation.
"Suzumiya-san and I went to the same elementary school. While we were always in different
classes, I could always see how that girl lit up the school with a light like she was the sun. Even in a
different class I could feel that light coming from her."
This has got to be a trick. Haruhi and Sasaki met before that time when we met together?
"I had wanted to be in the same class as her, but alas it was never to be. Then when she went to
a different middle school it got to be too complex. I was a bit lonely and a bit relieved at the same time.
Oh, I see she still stares at your eyes with the intensity of the sun. You know that when we part with the
light, we get a little bit colder right? But that's not too bad. Do you understand what I mean Kyon?"
It's correct though
This so fucking. Haruhi is the worst part of Haruhi.
Now that makes her apparent life in Disappearance even more depressing.
character has flaws and has to grow out of them
nuh worst part of the show
does she grow out of it? cause i dropped this fairu early on since it looked like the whole plot involved enabling her to keep the world from ending.
So she actually changes?
Am just curious, it seemed like she always stayed like she is forcing everyone to follow her will and wanting to have fun. A bit egoistical but not malicious.
Still havent read all volumes yet and honestly
stopped caring later and Kyon just seems to fall in love with her denying it somewhat and just starting accept that she gets her way.
Anyway so she really changes, can you tell in what way please?
Did you watch or read it? If you watched it, was it broadcast or chronological order?
Since we're talking about Haruhi as a character, I want to throw in my two cents.
Back when I first watched Haruhi I stuck with the broadcast order of S1 since S2 didn't exist yet. She was a tad self centred and tended to bully others, but ultimately she was just a girl who wanted to make the best of her highschool years. By the end of the series she seemed to have calmed down and consider the feelings of others for a change, especially if you watch S1 in chronological order.
However I feel as if S2 really dampens her character, especially in sighs. She acts like way too much of a bitch, I have no idea what the fuck the author was thinking when he got her to pour scalding tea over Kyons lap, or drug Mikuru with the "Mikuru is my toy!" thing. It's pretty clear why Kyoani didn't adapt these with S1, and I understand that they were supposed to be tipping points for Kyon to get mad and tell her to stop being such a cunt to everyone (which she does) however I think that they went a bit overkill with these tipping points.
Oh well, she's still love in the Disappearance movie.
The additional fuckup is that people often don't know that these "S2" episodes fit somewhere in the middle of "S1"
I agree completely, S2 comes of as really weird. Especially when you consider that Kyon almost punches her in the face a few days before she gets up on stage and performs songs she had an hour to learn to help save the senior year of a few girls she doesn't know but wants to help anyway. And then feels guilty about anyway because she felt she could've done it better.
Sigh was volume 2 so I guess Tanigawa didn't have a clear outline of what to do with her character yet
Sigh is definitely weak at best and absolute shit at worst (the finished movie was funny though)
I admire any show that cold opens on an intentionally awful 20 minute home movie and just expects the audience to go with it . Broadcast order best order.
In the anime there's the melancholy arc where she's at her worst and is about to use her powers to change reality for her own good. She changes her mind. Then there's a bunch of one/two episodes stories and most of them have her learn to be more reasonable (like baseball episode where she retires from the game, mystery island where she feels bad about a murder really happening and creating a fake culprit so no one gets involved).
Then there's the movie making arc where she's arguably at her worst again, because everyone keeps enabling her. It's like she subconsciously realizes she's a God in this arc, not only she decides what happens in the movie but it affects reality because she doesn't distinguish them too well. Kyon stands up to her, which makes her rethink all that. From this point she essentially stops being a bitch.
In Live Alive she shows she's more interested in helping people and feels bad because she thinks she didn't do good enough for them. Even the lyrics of God Knows allude to that.
It's for the fans of the LN
It won the sneaker award and sold quite well so it isn't too much of a stretch to imagine that there would be a sizeable fanbase even when airing the first episode
yeah haruhi is a cont
I had no idea what to expect from Haruhi when I started watching it last week and frankly that's what sold me on it. It was clear that the show was speaking my language.
I tend to find that people who hate Haruhi as a character are the sorts who watched S1+2 in chronological order. A lot of people who like Haruhi started with S1 broadcast, so for the longest time they didn't associate her with her more cuntish moments like the infamous drugging in Sighs.
In the books is confirmed that Haruhi is the one with the power.
thats basically what made me drop the first time way back in 2006
Please go back to shitty 9gag pleb!
I started using Sup Forums specifically about a year late to have been caught in the initial (second) wave of Haruhi and it's always been on the backlog.
Very constructive, anon.
Being a newfag is not ok. You don't have to mention it wherever you go, just talk about whatever the fuck you want like a normal human.
Luckily for you there's this thing called discretion. Use it.
The problem is that it comes of as quite jarring with how it's presented. If sighs was straight after melancholy then it might be a touch easier to swallow, but it isn't.
In Endless Eight Koizumi says Haruhi can have fun in more normal ways and that she cooled down a lot. She causes trouble here, but unconsciously.
In Someday in the Rain she shows she can go through a boring day without making a mess even when Kyon (the one who keeps her in check usually) is not here. And her staying at the club room shows she's grateful for what other people do for her, instead of treating them like goons like she did before.
You can see more of her growing out of chuuni in Disappearance where she just wants to do a party with friends, no supernatural involved. She's also a lot self-centered (she asks people what they're doing that day, spends 3 day in the hospital to take care of Kyon and doesn't want him to do more work after his accident)
That's for her growth in the anime, but it keeps going in the novels and she does a lot more there. Like in LN8, it's stated that
she doesn't care much for supernatural, she just likes to search for it with her friends, the opposite of Kyon who ends up liking that stuff.. I can go on about it but I don't wanna sperg too much
Do you realize how long it's been since Haruhi aired both times? He could've been here for over half a decade and still missed it.
You're no better with your youtube memes you fuck.
Kyon marrying haruhi when?
As a filthy secondary that does make sense. It certainly came off that she was learning to find fun in the mundane and your spoiler is kind of alluded to in Disappearance, or at least the Kyon end of it is.
I was wondering why I tried to take this screenshot.
I see where you're coming from, sighs is pretty frustrating. But it works for me, Haruhi doesn't go through the same development in melancholy (where she's downright delusional) and sighs (which is more of a "I'm all powerful and the one in charge" thing) and there are a few episodes and the movie right after to counterweight.
In the epilogue of the final novel
which means never
In Haruhi's dreams
and maybe Kyon's too.
But again, you have stuff like the baseball episode where she quits when eventually asked and is actually kind of sweet about it or the island arc where she wills for the murderer to not be her friends so hard that she creates another creature on the island despite a murder not actually having even taken place and then boom! Drugging and face punching. And then straight into being kind and thoughtful.
As far as the show goes at least, it's painfully obvious that they carefully chose what to adapt and how to order it to suit a single non-linear season and that S2 was bolted on.
It was a glass of very light alcohol mixed with juice or something. That's still a pretty bad thing to do, but it wouldn't affect most people. And she just gave the idea, Tsuruya is the one who put it in. So I don't think it's her just turning into a cunt, it's more like since people kept doing what she wanted them to, she crossed boundaries when she had no right to and thought she was hot shit.
It was tequila. Anime obviously censored that.
Currently reading the LNs and on Indignation. I've read on here that people are saying that Suprise is a good conclusion to the series, what gives that impression?
Most plot points and characters arc are wrapped up giving that feeling of open ending.
Kyon and Haruhi haven't fucked
Not wrapped up enough for me.
got in one bed with her, though.
Dare I ask context?
Time travel, duh.
I never even watched the TV series but this was the best Anime movie I have ever watched.
Sleeps next to a girl the first time
Shares a bed with one the next time
Soon enough he's going to be having full penetration time travel.
What could you possibly take away from the movie without having seen the show?
How the fuck did you care about any of the characters without the context of the series?
It was very easy to grasp the characters relationships from how the movie presented them.
What was Nagato's whole deal, then?
If Surprise is the last book, then I'd say it's pretty disappointing. Everything just returned to the status quo at the end of the book and the ending was pretty anti climatic.
She was mad jelly
The whole arc was Kyon trying to return to status quo. The arc showed the SOS Brigade unity and the way all characters clicked together in the everyday to make that ending possible. Yasumi is the manifestation of Haruhi's growth, and Kyon jumping from the window to save Haruhi is an important development for his character, on the level of Disappearance I'd say. I agree it'd be better with another book or two to attack other subjects like the Dominion Canopy or whatever their name was, or the Kyon-Sasaki-Haruhi thing, but Surprise does a fine Disappearance-like open ending for me.
She was mad tired. She's meant to be emotionless but even for her the drain of cleaning up after Haruhi took its toll.
Speaking of, what do you make of Haruhi and her relationships with the rest of the cast?
To be frank I watched the movie years ago and don't remember shit other than her staying in the room overnight with the MC. She felt responsible for the guy falling but I don't even remember how he fell other than it was down school stairs.
But that's fucking wrong you moron.
shits gay is also pretty bad in terms of normie appeal, but huruhi is worse.
She is god. Her entire thing is unknowingly being able to bend the fabric of the universe to her will. This is a significant detail to be overlooking.
How about you fuck off and read the Novels?
And you, kill yourself faggot. Stop Spoonfeeding this ESL-tier retard who can't post a single time without it being littered with grammatical errors.
Also, holy shit this thread is full of new. All of you fuck off. This isn't your fucking blog.
Anime like Haruhi should NEVER appeal to "normies".
Get out get out get out, get the fuck out of Sup Forums. Go back to whatever shithole you came from.
None of the anime Sup Forums loves should EVER "appeal" to normies, and you arbitrarily ranking it based on it's some level of "appeal" it ought to have - as if this anime "appealing" to normies is something that ought to be considered in the first place when rating this anime, aka "keeping the normies in mind" - is fucking cancer incarnate.
Haruhi never has, and will never have - "normie" appeal. Kill yourself, shitstain. Stick to your Faggot academy, One-meme man and shitruto, please.
That guy's a faggot and all but are you retarded? Haruhi was fucking HUGE in its hayday, you couldn't go anywhere that talked about anime without hearing something about it. Did you somehow forget that just about every anime con in 2006/2007 had people doing the Hare Hare Yukai constantly?
It works better in 2D.
Do you know the actual fucking definition of a normie?
There's a fucking difference between Gateway anime appeal and "normie" anime appeal.
You're the retard here, not me. You obviously didn't read what he (you) typed.
Try samefagging elsewhere. Again, Haruhi has never had "normie" appeal, and him calling it gay in one breath, and then uttering the word "normie" in another completely discredits any criticisms of the franchise.
You are the normie you speak of. Something being widely known =/= normie. You're incredibly new, holy shit.
Holy christ, Next thing you'll tell me is "it was in lucky star and lucky star is normie tier!, so you're wrong!".
First of all, not samefagging.
Secondly, Haruhi was a thing that got many non-anime fans into anime as a whole, which inculded yes, normalfags. I wasn't trying to state that it was going to be *as* appealing to them as Attack on Titan, One Punch Man or whatever else, I just wanted to remind you that Haruhi was a fucking huge thing that did in fact get a lot of non-anime people into anime.
Also, I never uttered the word "normie" once, you're the only one doing that.
You're trying way too hard to fit in, I suggest you lurk a little more friendo. Especially since a piece of bad bait caused you to sperg out so much.
How would you know what's going on in cons unless you weren't a fucking normie? Also, reddit wants its faggot back. They just called.
Haruhi can be horrible garbage, but it's still not "normie", whatever the fuck you think that word means. Any anime, actually, can be garbage yet still avoid ticking the "normie" checkbox, gateway anime is not mainstream anime. It would have to be so mainstream that people who've never seen it know about the cast, main characters, and the basic plot, and I can guarantee you that is NOT the case, at all.
Knowing a small but famous ED dance routine is not enough.
That's a slippery slope fallacy. By definition Haruhi would have to be mainstream enough for threads like this to become unnecessary, because the OP would already know the answers to any questions he may have, otherwise.
It's like calling Slayers "normie" tier. The fanbase is dedicated as fuck, but that doesn't mean the anime is representative of the fanbase. You're a fucking retard. Never post again.
Or the hundreds of prison inmates doing it.
Someone who's actually new telling others to lurk.
Back to lereddit / jewtube you go. And Staygo.
Which was your favourite classmate Sup Forums?
Are you serious?
I love this thing that KyoAni does, it's a lot of work and people rarely notice but it adds to the intangible feel that all their better shows have. Also makes it neater when you have a scene like in Disappearance where Kyon is desperately asking if anybody knows who Haruhi is and the people he's asking are actually faces you've seen before.
I forgot to get the "That guy is a faggot" section in the screenshot, he was accusing me of being and that (you) was my reply here
Say, know what I like talking about? Haruhi.
I have no words. The tism is too strong.
Back in the day Haruhi was INSANELY mainstream within the anime community, You had hambeasts cosplaying it in cons and trying to do the Hare Hare Yukai and people constantly shoved it down every ones throats ("Our god is hotter than your god!) though these days its popularity has faded away and the only people who still discuss it are diehard fans.
Back in the day Haruhi was INSANELY mainstream within the anime community
Very true, but the anime community a decade ago was not as mainstream as it is now.
I agree with that, absolutely. But it's not "normie" tier.
It's even fucking gateway tier, but it's not "normie" tier.
Shit I can think of that classifies as normie tier, would be DBZ, or Naruto, but even those would still kind of be a a bit off the "normie" spectrum, and more into the "mainstream anime club" level.
If you want examples of normie tier, "The Walking Dead" or "Breaking Bad" would fit perfectly.
That's got to be one of the advantages of having a reasonably talented singer as your VA.
Lets save the thread from the two autists bitching if Haruhi is "normie" or not.
What is it about Yuki that makes her stand out from other Rei clones? Typically I hate Rei clones with a passion but I find Yuki oddly endearing.
Just say normalfag for fuck's sake.
And in addition, you don't become a weeaboo or an otaku the instant you watch a single fucking anime. Which is why the word "normie" does not apply, and is why the word "normie appeal" is fucking retarded.
By the legit used definition, "Normie appeal" is incompatible with haruhi, because "Normies" don't WATCH anime in the first fucking place.
Gateway "appeal" or mainstream "appeal" would be more fitting.
Probably because in her case, 'Rei clone' is more like a general term than an accurate description of her character. She fits the basic mold but is very much her own character.
That they don't make her a focus doesn't hurt, and that they then make that lack of focus INTO A PLOT POINT is absolutely genius.
For me Yuki stands out because the show seems to realize that the nature of her character is kinda sad. She was made to be emotionless but as time carried on she started to develop feelings. Not all of these new emotions where good though, she was growing tired of having to deal with Haruhis messes.
Other Rei-clones play up their stoic nature as something to be cute and endearing, and while Yuki certainly has moments like these the author seems to realize that Yukis characterisation is sort of tragic.
I think that in short the show just does a good job of showing that Yuki has emotions behind her blank expression.
Pretty much this.
Time Travel is weird in Haruhi because Haruhi herself subconsiously decides what the concept of time travel even is, she can make going back to the past impossible because there is no past to go back to.
Something greatly entertains me about the idea that the first emotion a stoic AI alien thing feels is 'fuck this shit'.
That's pretty much why Disappearance happened, but Yuki isn't selfish, she wanted to give Kyon the choice of having a normal life or keeping the shenanigans of the club going. Despite how she would probably be a lot happier in the world she created, she still wanted Kyon to make the choice.
I don't have a problem with that anon saying it's shit, or garbage, or whatever, but bringing normalfag bullshit into the thread does NOTHING productive, and only exposes him as a fucking normalfag. Adding onto that the fact he provided NO actual criticisms of the anime itself, aside from simply calling it shit - and we have a cause of full blown faggotry.
If you wanna criticize it, then fucking do it, but leave your goddamn twitter normalfag lingo out or fuck off.
You need to calm down. This whole thing started because you replied to bait.
If you're talking about then it's really obvious that he was baiting shittily. Calm the fuck down.
If you're talking about it seems as if he was just mentioning that Haruhi did used to be super popular back in 2006 without commenting on whether the show is good or bad.
Here's some advice: Nobody fucking cares, and nobody should care.
using the word normie at all
What was with Kyon's neck mole?
This. Fucking this. What was OP expecting?
This. This so fucking much.
I would like to know too. That was an odd shot. Very well animated, but very odd.
didnt the guy who wrote this say he ran out of words or something?
It's a plotpoint for another novel.
Telling a baiter to fuck off is somehow indicative of butthurt
that's a meme
The entity sharing her name in the new universe is so different that I'd be hard pressed to say that it even still qualifies as Nagato. Everybody else is clearly more or less where they'd be without Haruhi's involvement and Haruhi is an approximation of what she'd be like if she wasn't a deity and conveniently went to another school, but Nagato is an entirely different person save for name and appearance.
For that matter, I find it very interesting indeed that she put Haruhi and esper dude I forgot the name of at another school.
Nobody said you were butthurt. Learn how to read. There simply is no point in debating bait.
It's never explained or expounded on. At least, as far as I know. It's never explained in the novels, at least.
I think it's meant to be open to interpretation, something akin to "Sometimes you can find curious things in the most unexpected places".
That's all I can think of it actually meaning other than a way of telling which kyon is which based on how long the hair is. Like some kind of indicator of which kyon it is that alternate time-line characters are dealing with, depending on the hair length in the mole.
he ran out of words
Yes, unfortunately he already used all 10438 words of his word-account. It is a pity.
its just a cartoon anon.
What hints? I'm curious.
I think Nagatos new personality in Disappearance was how she imagined herself if she wasn't built to be emotionless. She's an introverted girl who likes to be alone and read books.
a way of telling which kyon is which based on how long the hair is. Like some kind of indicator of which kyon it is that alternate time-line characters are dealing with, depending on the hair length in the mole.
Wow, holy shit. That could be the exact reason why, actually. Anyone else have any better theories than this?
This theory arose because Kyon once said something alone the lines of "Things would be much more interesting if they existed" when talking about Aliens, Espers and Time Travers. Kyon wanted all these things to exist, and so his powers got projected onto Haruhi who took the blame as the cause of all this.
Though it's exceedingly clear now that Haruhi is in fact the one with the powers.
Google "TVTropes" and "Kyon is actually god".
There's so much to explain that I doubt the anon you're requesting answers from would even know where to start.
If that anon had copypasted all the text from TVTropes, over to here, you wouldn't have fucking known the difference.
I wouldn't have given them ad money
Quick question: Who the fuck was this show for?
I can't imagine it appealing to those who waifuize Yuki since they completely change her character. She's not her deadpan emotionless self, she's not even the introverted shy bookwork that she was in disappearance. She's totally devoid of anything we know Yuki for and was just turned into a generic Moeblob.
What did TV Tropes do?
For the eventual Haruhi hijacking, presumably.
Just fucking use adblock you retard.
Whoever buys the Yuki-chan manga I guess.
they really hate loli shit,
to the point where the fate stay article was removed for "loli shit" even illya doesnt even have a route or anything.
It was an attempted cash grab at a dying fanbase and a proverbial test of the waters to see if there was still enough interest.
I honestly don't think we'll EVER see a season 3 after the dirt poor reception Yuki received.
To them, It was like we said "No more of this rubbish".
If Yuki was amazingly well received, that may have given them more incentive to make a final season, but I doubt it'll ever happen now.
But all that did was make me wish we were watching a proper S3.
Removed anything loli some years ago. For stupid reasons
I fucking hate corporate mindsets. We want legit Haruhi, not this nonsense.
Why are you not using fucking noscript and adblock? How fucking stupid can you be? TVTropes has a well documented list of examples that can definitely be considered answers to your "what hints?" question.
It has nothing to do with that. S3 might happen if Tanigawa releases a new novel. That's what this is all about.
Yuki was made by the pachinko company. There was no ulterior motive beyond revving up the engine to see if there were a few more otakubucks in the property.
How and why is she so best?
They dont care. All they see is profit margins and risk vs reward balancing.
If the fanbase is dying and they KNOW it is, they'll put less effort into something less big, or have it funded off site or for less money altogether, and get back a guaranteed profit from the remaining fanbase - rather than investing large amounts of time and money into something that may end up pushing them into the red.
The risk they take IS on us. The risk they take is on whether or not the fanbase is still alive, word of mouth, and the paitence the fanbase has for bullshit.
If they push the fanbase too far, shit like what happened with the yuki adaptation is guaranteed to happen 100% of the time.
I know how you feel, anon.
If they released not even a 10 second clip of, lets say, some mysterious music coupled with Kyon monologuing, and then a flash / .90 second screen shot of the SOS brigade armband, or the SOS logo, I'm sure the anime community at large would lose their collective minds, and I'm pretty sure they know this, which is why I believe they're waiting until they're in the red before pulling out their ace in the hole.
Their ace in the hole is costing US, the fanbase, to go year upon year without a season 3.
That's just how shit is.
why I believe they're waiting until they're in the red before pulling out their ace in the hole.
Also, before anyone says anything, I should add that I don't believe this literally. Only metaphorically. Some of you people have trouble reading between the lines.
I remember watching that show and thought, "Man, this isn't the Yuki I know and love". Pretty sad, really, cause I'm a huge Yukifag. To this day I still haven't finished the show.
alter-alter-Yuki had to die? This is just cruel.
Well, it's the first thing Tanigawa mentions in the afterword. In the first book.
In Snow Mountain Syndrome, the followup to Disappearance in the 5th book, the SOS brigade get visited
in bed by a copy of another brigade member. Kyon figures out that the Mikuru coming on to him is a fake because she doesn't have the star-shaped mole. We hear that Itsuki was visited by a fake Kyon, but not much else. It's possible Kyoani were foreshadowing that incident in Remote Island Syndrome.
Sup Forums is cancer.
That's a troll translation. The guy who posted it also claimed that it was the afterword to the last book.
Her movie look is too good.
Why would someone bother doing that?
That is true autism, including the attempted bump.
the thing is that the show was mostly filler
you get all of the interesting parts of the show if you only watch episodes 1-6 in chronological order and get the perfect ending
But that's why you watch S1 in broadcast order, anon.
you can skip the big-tittied waitress alien fighter episode and nothing will have been lost
you only need those 6 episodes, everything else is needless
Filler isn't bad.
This is the official translation from Yen Press.
Also, I don't see what evidence your link provides regarding this being a troll translation
Just accept it man, Tanigawa abandoned us.
Anon, are you watching a show to milk the important bits or to enjoy it?
milk the important bits
i don't like watching superfluous baseball episodes
Every episode contributes something in broadcast order.
This is the official translation from Yen Press.
I doubt that. Even if it is, it's an awful translation.
And what link are you talking about?
Not the anon you were replying to, but he's right. Don't know about the validity of the translation, but I'm willing to bet its pretty accurate.
aaaand I forgot the image
This is the same afterword in which he decides to talk about how much he likes cats. I'm not sure if it has the meaning that some would try to give it.
Nice handwriting. I wish my numbers would look this clear.
He filled the rest of the sheet with other attempts to write the number out.
A very commendable dedication, indeed.
He didn't want us to see though, so he decided to tear it off. He's tsun as fuck.
I can't imagine it appealing to those who waifuize Yuki
I hated it with passion, so i guess you are right.
Out of interest, do you like normal Yuki or Disappearance Yuki more?
I had to rewatch parts of disappearance to answer this and i just can't choose, I love both of them.
If i had to pick one on pain of death, I'd say I'd pick post disappearance Yuki.
Which is to say the alternate universe one? She's too damn pathetic.
No, i meant the one that we get after the resolution of the arc, the one that Kyon meets in the rooftop, that is same ol Yuki but you can now see clearly that she has feelings.
Oh look we have an expert with a theoretical degree in theoretical physics
She's too damn cute.
The fuck are you talking about fag
I just took this pic for the thread
it's an awful translation
While wording could be better, it gets the gist of what Tanigawa wrote. It's a technical example he wrote for the afterword, so it is pretty darn difficult to obfuscate the meaning.
It was obviously for fans of Asakura and Tsuruya.
Please don't tell me that you find that attractive. I feel for her, sure, but I sure as hell don't want to fuck her. Pathetic moe just rubs me the wrong way.
Then why did they waste everybody else's time with it?
Yuki is so cute.
So many plot holes it hurts
Mostly the time travel shit
So anything else other than time travel?
If you'd like, I can draw up some Minkowski diagrams showing how time travel in the Haruhiverse would really work.
Sure, why not?
Oh my god, that could be true too. Actually, THAT seems like the more likely theory.
You have not understood Steins;Gate's time travel.
There is only one world. There are many possibilities to choose from, but there is only one world in the end. Reread the novel.
Make it snappy. We already have no patience for you as it is.
What the fuck.
Her hair is gorgeous in this movie.
Pretty much everything is, now that you mention it.
Yeah but I like it so much
How about that long Haruhi hair?
That's good too but I prefer short haired girls.
I do too but that long hair ponytail did things to me. Truly, Kyon is a man of taste.
Yeah. I love to see girl's neck with that too.
read the books in publishing order
watch the anime in chronological right after it
Anime fucking upped the bitchiness of Haruhi by twice.
But she did change. It started after disappearance.
she created a parrallel timeplane just to heal Yuki. Definitely in Kyon's too.
And she was not even upset about it.
On topic question: What exactly is Tsuruya? It is so vague in the novels, that I have no idea.
The first season of the anime was designed to be watched in broadcast order. It helps a lot with how she comes across. S2 is weird no matter where it sits.
Guy that was nice to her once comes in raving like a madman, grabs her and forces her up against the wall while still ranting in her face
Just cops it
Even if you're the submissive girl type surely that must've been a bit much.
I'm not a Nagatofag but I want to do things to that Nagato.
How wet was she at this moment?
she was terrified dood
even if you're the autistic type this is a bit much
I know, but not even a yelp or something?
I don't make a damn sound when I'm legitimately terrified.
Well that's your problem.
It's honestly a broken mess.
Can't decide between pure grandfather paradox and multiverse.
Time travellers want/need to make sure the events of 'now' happen as they remember. Kyon retreads over his own past multiple times, setting grandfather like things in motion even though the espers seem to be all free will/mutliverse minded. Yuki literally repeats time, groundhog style, then rewrites time. Then the fact that time travellers have hard limits.
I just don't think the author had solidified what version of time travel he wanted.
fixed events happen no matter what like Kyon going John Smith
other events can be changed and depending on how they go, diverging timelines are created
however after the event happens a certain way, only one timeline remain
The author also has the ultimate out of the rules of the universe being decided by a rather chuuni teenage girl.
More like kys for abbreviating something that didn't need abbreviating af.
I can see why there's been no more Haruhi anime after Disappearance. They probably figured that her being no longer a cunt is too boring.
This. Time travel works as thus:
Haruhi wills it
Weird stuff still happens and she's still as excited as usual, it's just that she's not a bad person anymore
In that case, Naruto must be a fucking masterpiece.
Only retards would call episodic stories in Haruhi fillers when they set up lots of things in terms of story and character.
But nice Haruhi is the highest tier.
It's a little thing, but Haruhi's sleeping bag is actually in every shot here where it would make sense for it to be visible. There's also what is likely her jacket hanging on the wall there.
God will never sleep by your bedside
God will never go so dere over you after an accident that a friend is legitimately jealous of your traumatic head injury and subsequent coma
Is it odd that I only just realized that they had roughly equivalent reactions to apparently losing each other? Because that's adorable.
It click for me when Kyon said
I was thinking of drawing on your face
Then I remembered Someday in the Rain
There's also the whole matter of
I could draw on her, shake her up violently, wake her up normally or even leave her alone entirely
Instead, I'm going to watch her sleep and tenderly stroke her face
Holy shit that's a well-directed scene
Only in the Philippines.
She is the type that likes to watch.
Also notice the placement of (what I assume to be) her cardigan, ensuring that her face is obscured without having to cheat anything. I would assume this is because they felt that having her face visible would lead to people noticing her before the intended reveal and they didn't want to get around it with an intentional continuity error.
Who's she going to be watching?
You can try to fight fate but you will not come out victorious.
What was Sup Forums like when S2 started in the middle of the S1 re-air in 2009?
I didn't see the reaction.
New episodes were widely rumoured since the re-broadcast was announced, and it became more and more obvious when they started showing it in Haruhi's order.
I don't think there was a single aha moment.
What's the appeal of The Disappearance of Nagato Yuki-chan?
I tried sitting through episode 1 and episode 2 up to the end of the opening, but couldn't bare to watch because I feel that they completely butchered Yuki's character and made her into a generic moeblob.
Oh. I see.
The appeal is the small Disappearance of Nagato Yuki-chan arc.
best doujin ever.
That was disturbing.
Nigger, this is a common take on time travel.
You alright there anon?
I was spoiled on a good chunk of the film but my jaw still dropped so hard that I don't have a floor anymore when that happened.
I am struggling a lot not to post a "REEE..."
Fuck off back to /r9k/.
What the fuck happened here?
Just idiots meming. It's cutie pie. Don't imitate them please.
What did Haruhi mean by this?
That she is the Ace Attorney.
Well, they're autists and doing it about a shit character anyway.
Shit meme, try again senpai.
Unless I missed something in the reply chain then they're talking about the girl best known for repeatedly attempting to murder Kyon and not even in a yandere way.
For some reason I keep forgetting she didn't act like in Yuki-chan at all.
I just finished watching the series plus the movie.
I've always seen threads and posts on this board praising this and saying how awesome it was. Best shit ever! or sequel when? type comments are extremely common. So I decided to watch it. I had already read the LNs up till the movie part.
I was blown away by how bad the whole thing was. Are we supposed to care or be interested in Haruhi? She's just a crazy bitch who can't into social interactions. And the MC wants to stick his dick into it. It FELT like the whole series was to sell that point. Of course there's other stuff in there, but to me that was the gist of it. In any case, I found the whole thing to be atrocious and was bored out of my mind during every episode. The only interesting part was in the movie with Nagato inviting Kyon and being rejected, everything else was just a snooze fest. Note that I used "interesting", not "good" or "great" or anything else. I feel like watching this was a thorough waste of my time and that if it wasn't for the constant stream of Haruhi threads on this board, I'd forget about all of it within a month or two.
This is some high effort bait.
You have done an incredibly impressive job of missing the point, anon.
Well, at least you gave it a shot. I'm surprised you read the books before watching the anime. Did you dislike those too? In that case, why bother watching the anime? Anyway, it's a great series, but it really is best enjoyed when you're in high school yourself, otherwise the magic is lost.
With that said:
Of course there's other stuff in there, but to me that was the gist of it
That's a little dissmissive, don't you think?
And yes, you're supposed to care about and be interested in Haruhi. If you aren't, you obviously aren't going to enjoy it. She isn't the eponymous for nothing.
Wasn't particularly interested in the LNs, no.
Somewhat. I think that the story as a whole wasn't interesting. The premise was good, but I think the author failed in going anywhere with it. You've got some character growth and some stuff happens, but to me it just seemed like some generic SoL stuff with a fresh coat of paint. I also disliked the time travel plots; to me the only time time travel as a plot device was used well was in the 6 main Dragonlance books.
I also had an extremely strong dislike for K-On, maybe these types of shows just aren't for me.
Other than the one bit where they actually performed a song (and quite well I might add) I don't see a connection to K-On beyond studio and S2's general visual style.
You also seem to have completely breezed over Haruhi's character development which is kind of the point.
It's essentially character-driven, with Haruhi and Kyon's growth, how they complete each other and other stuff like that. There's quite a bit of SoL (that's kinda the point) so that could be a reason why it didn't click with you.
Her fault for being a mostly emotionless AI alien thing.
She's fine now.
Wasn't intending to draw a comparison with the music, just the slice of life elements. Going to the pool summer festival, high school club, cultural festival and all that jazz.
And yes, Haruhi did have some character development, but it still didn't make me like her as a character or make me interested in seeing her in action.
Working on it
A number of ways, actually.
Why did you find the rejection interesting?
I dont think you are entirely wrong if you look at the volume release dates, they were about the same intervals until 8, 9 was almost a year later and the last 2 volumes were 4 years later.
Wow it seems like the anime is shit
Not the same guy, but in the first episode, it's mentioned that everyone in Kyon's class except Kyon himself went to Haruhi's middle school. This is directly contradicted in Disappearance, when only the tan kid knew who Haruhi was.
Anon, did you miss the point? That was an alternative reality and Nagato intentionally left clues in case Kyon wanted then.
Is it true that this universe was altered so that we can't get S3/new volumes?
Yes. Haruhi willed it. We must all repent at the church of Haruhism.
It was altered into a
Enough of your hateful lies.
If you're making that assessment based on smell, I suggest you consider alternative possibilities.
I'm finishing the diagram right now.
Are you really doing from yesterday?
Yeah, took a while though, and also ended up involving a thread on /sci/thread/8093293#p8093293
Wow, sorry I got you wrong
Each parallel tree refers to a parallel universe. The paths taken by each of the Haruhis are in red, while the paths taken by each of the Kyon's are in green. Where probabilities are omitted, assume 1/1 (100%).
Note this means that there is at least one timeline (n=0) where Haruhi goes to North High without any prompting, and where Kyon disappears without a trace.
Wrong in what way?
I didn't think you were really working on it, you'resomething else
I know I'm crazy, but I'm the good kind of crazy! I swear!
Kyoani creates an anime that breaks historic sales records
starts a worldwide phenomenon that lasts for years
anime to this day are still trying to replicate its success
Haruhi was once THE poster girl for anime in general
a decade later people are still regularly talking about it
only two seasons
I blame Endless 8. We'll only get another season when the fandom, KyoAni, and most of all, the broadcast networks, have made amends over it.
What does n mean?
But endless 8 still sold well. And the movie sold even better.
I blame tanigalazywa.
There are better ways to bump a thread, you know.
i meant to type GAOAT but i'm a dumbass
It's simple. We can't have nice things.
Its the truth and you know it.
The pachinko thing is weird. Sometimes I can deal with it, sometimes I can't. I felt violated when I found out that there was a Patlabor pachinko machine, for instance.
7/7 SAVE THE DATE. S3 & NEW LN SOON. GOOD TIMES HAVE COME. HARUHI HAS REAWAKENED
It's an arbitrary index of the timeline, as opposed to labels like earth-prime, earth-two, α, or β.
I like how S;G can just slap a number on everything and call it a day.
There are rare occasions where that actually works, like in chemistry, but usually you have to do a little more prep work for things to make sense.
α, or β
Not everyone, just bunch of people.The same people who were missing from class because of cold outbreak. Quite the coincidence, you know.
Taniguchi got sick too, but his dad kicked him out to school.
yfw you realise Taniguchi's dad saved the Haruhiverse
Maybe even that was a part of Nagato's plan. If Kyon just went with it there would be no problem, but if he raised enough of a stink even after getting the gist of what had happened he'd run into his second lead.
Nagato is the only one who acknowledged Taniguchi even existed
That reminds me, I think it's actually raised at one point but why would Nagato plop Kyon into this world entirely without context? The natural assumption would be that he's getting fucked with by some entity's powers or something, not that he's being given a choice between a normal world and the real one.
She couldn't do more than that, because of the "bug". She didn't want to give him all the cards so easily because she wanted her world to come true, if you prefer. That's why there's the murderous Asakura to protect it and a 3 days limit.
He almost won some
hairy pussy. By mistake
She probably didn't really want to keep the world that way. Otherwise why even bother with the escape program in the first place?
But I guess if Kyon waited till deadline or refused to escape, his memories would be erased too.
Christ that murderous Asakura is one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen. Right out of nowhere.
Otherwise why even bother with the escape program in the first place?
She wants her world to succeed, but she also values Kyon. She wanted it to be his choice.
She really looks like Yui in this one.
Kill yourself. The vast majority of assholes who complain about plot holes don't know what a fucking plot hole is and only heard the term from their dumbass internet forums.
caring about plot
Are you a child?
I forgot was I'm supposed to be ready for. Is that the programme that brings everything back to normal?
Yeah. In the real world I can fuck everyone including Koizumi, but in Disappearance I couldn't do anyone, even Yuki is protected by psycho.
No, it's the program that takes you to the world where season 3 exists.
YUKI. N> PRESS [ENTER] TO TAKE YOURSELF TO THE WORLD WHERE S3 EXISTS TO RID YOURSELF OF THIS TORTURE
what's the correct episode order?
Broadcast for the first watch.
If Haruhi were to haruhi a new haruhi, would it be a good haruhi or would Haruhi get bored and half haruhi Haruhi?
It's hard to say really.
I want state that Broadcast order for S1 was the most fun, however despite a good hunk of content in S2 impacting the show in a negative manner I think that full chronological (ending with the disappearance movie) is probably the best way to experience the story.
Yasumi was a nice Haruhi made by Haruhi.
Is there an order, broadcast or otherwise, that accounts for both seasons and scrambles the episodes in such a way that it solves the erratic characterization of Haruhi that comes from watching chronological? It's really jarring to get Sighs Haruhi going full cunt mode after watching her mellow out gradually through S1.
Sadly not. What we know as "S2" was actually apart of a rebroadcast of the first season with everything put in chronological order, which inculded these new episodes.
S1 was made with the intention of it being viewable out of order. S2 however was not.
You can comfort his broken heart by dick in Yuki's world too.
A shame. S1 and Disappearance are fantastic, and there are individual elements of S2 like Kyon & Koizumi's scene on the bridge or Nagato's slowly building depression during E8 that are really well executed, but overall S2 stands out as being really weak compared to everything else.
Haruhi is like the epitome of "Screwed by the Network".
Take out Live Alive and Someday in the rain and stick them at the end like in chronological order.
Now you've got your "mellowing out" after S2.
I'd screw her network, if you know what I mean.
So why did they go full bitch for Sighs? I know that they try to smooth it over a little in the last episode of the arc but it's weird to have it end the as soon as the culture festival rolls around where Haruhi basically goes perfect angel mode and sits more or less there for the remainder of the series.
growing character doesn't behave linearly from cunt to good and actions depend on context
I was more meaning its presentation than its content. I like the general gist of the arc, but it's presented in such a way that makes it stick out horribly.
You should use MPC instead of vlc.
Strangely enough I get a full system freeze on some vids. It's annoying enough to stick to Vee Ell See
Why am I watching the same episode I swear I'm getting trolled here
Because you're Satan, duh.
Because she was working her ass on that movie trying her best to do something good or fun but everyone else were either apathetic or criticizing everything she did from the very start like Kyon.
She was pissed at that and during the argument with Kyon went full mad and said the things she didn't really mean.
Kyon understood her feelings when Taniguchi told shit about their movie without even seeing it.
This happens to me as well on MPC quite often too.
I tried to change codecs and settings to no avail.
It was novel at first.
But now? Now? NOW???
I'M LOVING IT. Aha. Aha. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
at leat use my finished version.
Waifu tier list:
High-->Tsuruya, Yuki, Mori
Mid-->Asakura, Sasaki, Tachibana, Imouto
And then I had a feeling Haruhi would call.
But before I could say anything she hung up.
Oh, and don't forget to bring your bike!
Looks like we're the only two with bikes
Kyon, why so tired?
Hey hey, can't you read the "no diving" sign?
Why is glasses girl so bored?
This is my brigade, so just ask them whatever you want!
I wanna go scoop some goldfish
Let me see that list
I haven't been to a fair in years, but it only feels like yesterday
Please. Anyone. Please.
That was a hell of a ride.
600 years of suffering.
All that for a god damn
I feel like it could've been presented a little better. Maybe more to suggest her building frustration at the situation.
Is she okay?
The correct order is reading the novels. I generally don't like reading books, but the LNs are a pretty good read. It does end on a cliffhanger right now, so I'd recommend a stop after finishing novel 7 or 8.
What cliffhanger? The main plot is open still but the arc got it's conclusion and punch in the face
AND punch in the face?
Close enough for me.
Shit's important yo.
reading this post so many plot holes it hurts
Haruhi seems to think so. Couldn't let her main man fail his homework task.
Was it all worth it?
Change Yuki with Haruhi and it's perfect.
Switch Haruhi and Mikuru, and it sounds about right.
How did you get so far in life with such shit opinions?