What did he actually get wrong?

What did he actually get wrong?

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Thinking he could plan people's lives better than themselves

FPBP
saged for faggotry

Everything

Confuse humans for robots.

Believed that all human interaction could be summed up as a collectivist power-struggle.

Also saged.

By only having criticisms and not having any answers.

This, the nigga had hilariously warped views on human nature.

Also he was a middle-aged couch surfer who never worked a day in his life.

The very idea of him knowing anything about the "workers plight" is laughable.

He thought making a system that theoretically made everyone economically equal was also inherently morally right. Just because the 1900s was full of fucked up capitalism based shit doesn't mean making fucked up communist shit is ok. People treat his texts like the Bible so we're stuck dealing with idiots slavishly following an inherently flawed concept.

All intellectuals are middle-aged couch surfers. What do you think Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro do all day?

Muh hugbox

Be born.

The superstructure can be independent of the base. Changing the mode of production doesn't necessarily transform ideology.

He thought that Capitalism would collapse as the rich became even wealthier and the middle class would either become rich or fall into the poverty-stricken Proletariat class.

This never happened, while it's true the rich are extremely wealthy and own most of everything, the families who make up the rich class are constantly changing through competition. Anyone intelligent could hit it big and care for his family for generations.

He believed the Proletariat class would rise up and overthrow their "oppressors"(Bourgeoisie). This never happened either because the conditions for the lower class improved dramatically along with everyone else.


There were more things he got wrong, but that's a basic part of it.

Nothing, Marx was right, however I'm not going to worship him as a god, like the commies do.

Marx was an early 19th century philosopher.
He predates modern biology, psychology, and studies of basic human nature.
As a result, he got a lot wrong.

>he was right
About what?

exist

That the human thinks for itself and will reject his wishful thinking ideas.

Both things happened, just not on the core of capitalism, in that way capitalism was able to recover those markets by military intervention.

Human nature and reality.

still saging this shit

He knew enough to not make the mistakes he did. What kind of person looks at a dystopia of selfish people exploiting others for personal gain until they die and thinks: "Boy, if we all just worked together everything would be so nice and rainbows would fly out my ass"?

> What did he actually get wrong?
Nothing.
His creation was an act of sabotage.

>This never happened
>yet

There's the difficulty with models like his, without time frame or plenty of 'experiments', its difficult to tackle each point.

Also Marx didn't predict that something else would step into religion's place and numb people into thinking 'everything's dandy and fine'. Marx also didn't predict that the divide between working class - ruling class isn't applicable, since there's something like 15 to 30 different classes in modern capitalist societies..

>when you literally can't handle any questioning

There's so much wrong in this shitty picture (not just the spelling of Engels) ..

You can 'apply' his political theories as much as you can apply the fact that flowers are colourful.

Ugly kike that hasn't never worked a day in his life and would be living in the streets if it wasn't for his only friend that was a major capitalist.

He believed that industrial nations with factories, skilled laborers in industrialization would be the ones to accept his ideas.

Turned out is was mostly dirt-poor peasant, agrarian societies that did instead. These people are easily manipulated.

Other then never work a day in his life?

He was a Jew that started a Jewish movement known as Communism

Marx was a dialectical materialist not some fucking hippie. He thought class struggle was the engine of history, you don't stop it by holding hands and singing. Capitalism isn't evil in the classical/orthodox Marxist view, it's an inevitable stage of history that eventually gives way to socialism as its inner contradictions are revealed and overcome through revolution.

Much of Marx's work was descriptive not perscriptive in nature.

No they didn't.
There was no uprising.
Lenin got tires or waiting so he forced a dictatorship uprising on the ashes of feudalism instead of Capitalism.

Capitalism never collapsed and there was no Proletariat uprising. Are you stupid?

>All capital gain is at the expense of others, markets are a zero sum game
Guess who needs to be shot, commie?
You do!

>"I don't like working, the government should take care of me"

He was a big ol lazy bones

That's not what happens though.
There are no obvious contradictions in Capitalism.
It functions on the same principles as Darwinism where the strong or intelligent succeed and move on.

That's human nature.

Basic understanding of human nature

>There are no obvious contradictions in Capitalism.

That's an argument that you can make and many neo-marxist thinkers would agree with you.

Still, the point is nearly everyone here is fighting with a strawman. People need to read some actual Marx. Marx is actually really easy to understand at a basic level, which is why so many naive college kids become communists when they're introduced to Marx in class. Still, they're better than the people in this thread.

> Peterson started psychological research in 85
> teaching career started in 93
> In 07 Shapiro practiced law at goodwin procter
> still runs a legal firm today

these people are couch surfers?

That the superstructure and base can't be independent of each other

Because he failed to recognize this we now have modern faggotry invading the working class' space. Look for example at modern communist parties: full of pedophile homosexuals and TERF feminazis

He failed to formulate a theory to prevent this from happening

literally everything

There's plenty of proletariat uprisings, the problem it's that the mass can't directly assume power, but it's not the leader who makes the revolution, but the people directly on the streets.

Lybia, Iran, Cuba, China, Vietnam, etc...

There's civil revolt that turns into an uncivil revolt and then people asks for leadership again, there's it's when it transforms into whatever those experiments turn into, mostly shitty results I admit.

>It functions on the same principles as Darwinism where the strong or intelligent succeed and move on.

Actually evolution theory is about those 'fittest' to survive in the current environment. The second that environment changes anything to adapted to the previous way of life dies out horribly.

evolutionary theory cannot be applied to society. Darwin himself even said this

Thought of people as consuming units, not people.

Marx's ideology is the actual "capitalist" one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question
>Marx argues that the Jewish religion does not need to be attached to the significance it has in Bauer's analysis, because it is only a spiritual reflection of Jewish economic life. This is the starting point of a complex and somewhat metaphorical argument which draws on the stereotype of the Jew as a financially apt "huckster"
>Marx concludes, that "the Christians have become Jews"; and, ultimately, it is mankind (both Christians and Jews[14] that needs to emancipate itself from ("practical") Judaism.
>The second part of Marx's essay is frequently cited as evidence of Marx' antisemitism:
>Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew.
>Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.
>What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_communism
>Marx and Engels were personally homo-phobic

Marx was anti-semitic and anti-gay. Trump is pro-Jew and pro-gay.
Conservatives in UK are pro-Jew, pro-gay and pro-Muslim
Soviet Union was anti-Muslim.
Kill yourself.

> Bearded man said it, it must be true the pic

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch–Französische_Jahrbücher
>The Deutsch–Französische Jahrbücher (English: German–French Annals) was a journal published in Paris by Karl Marx and Arnold Ruge.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorwärts!
>One of those who wrote for it was Karl Marx

So by your logic all writers and television personalities aren't working.
Kill yourself lying shit.

So real work is flipping burgers, sorting papers in office and selling products somebody else made?

His ideology was made up to replace nobility with Jews as the ruling class. It worked like a charm.

He predicted socialism would come first to the most developed capitalist economies and take centuries to get to third-world shit-holes. WHOOPS!

Nothing wrong with communism.My people lived under the Soviet Union for a long ass time and you what?They could actullay afford themselves food,clothes,home,a furniture and and even multiple cara and houses or apartments if you wanted.But now we democracy and capitalism and capitalism is destroying people's lives.Let's not go there what that democracy does through the hands of brainwashed soldiers.Or mindless zombies.Not capable of thinking for themselves.Dumb fucks.I'm trying hard not to bring the politics into this but there are always brainwashed people hating on communism.Too bad that people actually believe what they've been told at school,tv and radio.I mean is that brain of yours completely dead or still functional?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Order
>The Order of Brothers of the German House of Saint Mary in Jerusalem[2] (official names: Latin: Ordo domus Sanctæ Mariæ Theutonicorum Hierosolymitanorum, German: Orden der Brüder vom Deutschen Haus der Heiligen Maria in Jerusalem)

Lets have a quote from Lenin then:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union
>Jews and city dwellers on the Ukraine must be taken by hedgehog-skin gauntlets,[19] sent to fight on front lines and should never be allowed on any administrative positions (except a negligible percentage, in exceptional cases, and under [our] class control)

Jews never had any power in Soviet Union, they had power in Russian Empire, they helped to loot royal family.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia
>In August 1919 Jewish properties, including synagogues, were seized and many Jewish communities were dissolved.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union
>In 1919 the Soviet authorities abolished Jewish community councils, which were traditionally responsible for maintaining synagogues.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ukraine
>From 1919–1920, Jewish parties and Zionist organizations were driven underground as the Communist government sought to abolish all potential opposition.
>To that end a series of "community trials" against the Jewish religion were held. The last known such trial, on the subject of circumcision, was held in 1928 in Kharkiv.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1958–64)
>Jewish and Muslim circumcision was claimed to cause gangrene, leading to fatalities.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism
>In the late 1940s, the USSR became increasingly anti-Jewish and accusations of Zionism were frequently used
>Zionist activists in the USSR studied Hebrew (illegal in the USSR), held clandestine religious ceremonies (circumcision was illegal)

>He thought class struggle was the engine of history
Right but it isn't, it's ethnic struggle. But as "Culture Of Critique" correctly points out Jews are absolutely desperate to push ideologies and identities which revolve around literelly anything other than ethnicity. Because they know that as a parasite the strenght and health of their host nation is bad news for them so just like the parasite introduces poison into the body of the host to confuse his immune system the Jews introduces in the form of backward "philosophy" poison to the morality and judgment to a people, ideologies which build meaningless identies in order to distract people from their need to cultivate the racial collective which cultivates them in return and without which they cannot survive. The communist manifesto is the ultimate example of jewish neuroticism and paranoia that if you dont confuse and give bad advices to the goyim (building movements around classes within a society rather than alligence to the society) they will start persecuting you (oy vey). It's basically jewish divide and conquer driven by jewish paranoia and neurotism.

While the ethnic jews were part of the revolution zionist jews weren't the were treated as the rest of the oligarchs and as the rest of the citizens later, because the USSR was founded under an ideology and not under blood lines like the houses of Europe were.

Not in a way of humans devouring eachother to survive but in the principle of competition

Conveniently forgot that all workers are also consumers, which means that theses about capitalists exploiting their workers at subsistence wages is a fucking MEME and makes no sense for a market based economy to function in the first place

Didn't Marx believe early man had no concept of property?

everything.

I would recommend you to read Walker Connor's paper, 'Eco- or Ethno-nationalism?'.

Debunks the claim that nationalism and ethnic struggle is a result of economic discrimination. You can most likely use SciHub to download this.

THIS!
Kill the goyim, steal their property and replace their ruling class with Jews so that the messiah will finally come.

He created greatest social weapon of his race designed to enslave goyim. Everything worked out exactly as he intended.

reveal flag

You are confusing shit together. Russia had civil war, Russia had many revolutions, Tsar was disposed by own people and prince put in place of him, only later came Soviets and much later Soviet Union. Russian Empire had 10 times more Jews than Soviet Union.

Nothing, he was great

Primarily the concept of value. There isn't any such fucking thing as "labor value".

If you think I'm a commie your brains have fallen out of your head.

Yes there is, it's just not the primary determinant of price value as he claimed.

His views on Capitalism are pretty spot on but I think his views on what to do about it while great did have some flaws.
I recommend anyone who hasn't done so to read his work, even if you aren't interested in socialism it's still a very good thing to read up on.

Marx should be appreciated for calling out fellow Hebrews and addressing the Jewish Question, but that's it. He never held down a full-time job, never set foot in a factory, and his economic theory has been proven wrong time and again. None of his predictions came to fruition, and his ideas put into practice have only brought about failure. Molyneux does a great job breaking this guy down:
youtube.com/watch?v=yA2lCBJu2Gg

He was great at dissecting things, he was creative, and he had a way with words, but it was all just verbiage at the end of the day, no rational, practical alternative was created.

his whole philosophy is a dazzling psuedo-intellectual house of cards built on false premises - first and foremost being that man understands the forces that motivate him and acts according to his own best interest when given the correct information.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_citizenship
>citizens of the USSR who lived in the territory of a Soviet Republic would become citizens of that Republic, unless they chose citizenship of another Soviet Republic in connection with their ethnic origin.
>connection with their ethnic origin.

Putin's citizenship law:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_Russia
>In 2002, a new citizenship act, supported by President Vladimir Putin
>Naturalization is usually granted if the applicant meets the following requirements:
>has been a resident of Russia for not less than five years
>speaks Russian

Soviets didn't naturalize migrants.

Non-interracial and ethnic:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propiska_in_the_Soviet_Union
>state internal passport permitting a person to reside in a given place

interracial and non-ethnic:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement#Russia
>Since the abandonment of propiska system in 1993
>Thus now there are no obstacles to movement of citizens per se.

Soviet citizenship = only natives, habitat in ethnic defined towns
Russia after 1990 citizenship = everybody welcome, can move anywhere in Russia.

So yes, kys you Christian interracial shill.

Very good observations, semi-accurate prophecies, terrible solutions.

The second false premise is that human society is fundamentally a zero sum game of power for resources and nothing else. It is fatalistic at it's core and leads to evil but it sounds nice if you don't think critically about things. It comes packaged with a utopian fantasy where every human is a rational actor and theres enough of everything for everybody, and that can be appealing.

checked

thinking everyone would be fine with being equally starving, and shat on capitalism more than actually explaining how he would put his shitty system in place after the fuckery that his drones would perform

Utopianists are the most dangerous type of people.

I wouldn't call the solutions terrible, I'd call them situational if anything. I believe Marxism would work in an industrialized nation such as Germany or the USA which is exactly why at first it went wrong in Russia and China, these were agrarian societies using a solution made by a man who lived in an industrialized nation.
Because of this, Marxism actually wasn't too bad after the likes of the USSR and China fully industrialized, it was just the start which went wrong.

He removed God from Hegel.

Marxism is also known as scientific socialism as opposed to utopian socialism?

>but they weren't real Socialism
Nothing Marx predicted has come to pass in developed capitalist societies.

How can anyone be sure that Socialism would function on the ashes of these nations when they have been abject failures everwhere.
Stop fooling yourself and stop pretending everyone is equal.

They can read and talk, wow. Lauren Mayberry also practices law.

>hurr let's abolish capitalism by inventing
>state capitalism
>let me call me call my (((anglo)) financers
>dead goy don't rebelxDDD

I didn't say those societies weren't properly socialist though, I just said Marxist theory is highly situational and doesn't work everywhere.
You're literally making up a strawman so you can argue against a point I never made in the first place.

Socialism literally has nothing to do with equality you stupid retarded American. Different ethnic groups means by definition they aren't equal. USA is about equality.

If you believe this you're a retard. Companies all try to become monopolies and then kill of competition. A "free market" can only be established by a strong state. Read Ricardo, Thomas Piketty or Adam Smith. Even Adam Smith recognized the dangers of it. "Capitalism" as we frame it has many different flavours. Unbridled it leads to massive inequality like in the Belle Epoch with led to the World War 1 and the October Revolution.

Not if they construct their ideals according to accurate observations of the reality around them and in accordance with the ultimate laws around them. Pic related

You can call something scientific (as marxists very often do)... That doesn't make it so. Also please define science, leftist love... correction FUCKING LOVE using this word but I am confused as to what you think it's meaning is.

And they do so mostly by trying to strangle competition trough regulation

ITs funny it masquerades as this nobel system trying to liberate people from an oppressive capitalist materialism by ...wait for it...advocating dialectical materialism.

>What did he actually get wrong?
He was a Jew. Therefore he was inherently wrong. Also, inherently anti-White.

You don't even have an argument as to what Marxberg did right.

You're so much of a coward you can't even post more than twice.

Scientific socialism refers to a method for understanding and predicting social, economic, and material phenomena by examining their historical trends through the use of the scientific method in order to derive probable outcomes and probable future developments. It is in contrast to what later socialists referred to as "utopian socialism"—a method based on establishing seemingly rational propositions for organizing society and convincing others of their rationality and/or desirability. It also contrasts with classical liberal notions of natural law, which are grounded in metaphysical notions of morality rather than a dynamic materialist or physicalist conception of the world.

Soviet Union had no leftists you retarded Christian shitlord. Leftism is an invention of USA after WW2 when we got parliament of democracy where you had left side and right side. Socialism wasn't democracy, it was ruled by Communistic party, nobody else. Your laws don't change by electing new political party every 2 years you freaking baby brains. Doesn't matters if you have le right or le left political parties, your laws are always the same, besides minor changes. Especially now in EU, you can't change refugee laws, that's international law. I am literally wasting my breath on retards like you.

being a jew

left/right came from the french revolution. Must not have covered that in re-education camp comrade.

>global melting pot country calling ethnic organized countries countries of native people anti-white
Such joke.

How about it was invented by Jews and fulla bullshit about everyone being an equal slave with nothing except the happy jews at the top .
It's sucker bait for stupid goyim like the kibbutz for all.PS GFYS for asking.

Oh really, how did monarchy elect political parties? Lets hear it. So king, ruler of all, had elections? You have no clue about anything.

A-AMERICA IS WHITE

Human nature.

My family got most of their heads chopped off by those prix.I'd be a French Noble if not for those fukkerz

loyalist on the right radicals on the left dumb shit.