Vietnam's defense budget: $5 billion

>Vietnam's defense budget: $5 billion
>USA's defense budget: $580.3 billion

How the FUCK did America lose?

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Didn't france lose to them first?

you're going to get a lot of replies you won't like..

Because non US military fags would cry if we used our military to it's fullest capacity. Do you honestly think that they'd stand a chance if there weren't so many bleeding heart faggots out there?

The VC defeated France before the USA.

The South was corrupt as fuck and nothing could be done to prop them up. Also, name a single militarily engagement the US lost. The US signed a peace treaty and then the North broke it.

leftists politicians. the same type that will ensure your country is a muslim caliphate in 50 years if you do nothing about it.

How does the saying go: A conventional army loses if it does not win, a guerrilla army wins if it does not lose

We didn't lose. Ford was a little bitch that gave in to the protestor and pulled out. We could have won, but pulled out because the hippy Americans were being fags about it.

it was the first war where journalists were allowed unrestricted access to military ops. They could just jump into a helio and shoot some footage. Turns out Americans dont like listening to children cry as their parents and homes get burned to the ground literally right behind them.

Think about the differences between Desert Storm news coverage and Vietnam coverage. all of the destruction in Storm was clean and nice to look at. Americans love that war.

This.

This bait right op?

We didn't lose. We made peace and left the south to it's fate

the war was not supported domestically, it took a huge toll on the troops' morale, along with the caltrops and insane gooks and whatnot, the rice farmers were defending their home while drafted americans were fighting a war that their citizens didn't support

The same reason why Russia lost to Afganistan


The US though they were fighting a normal war where there were clear goals like chess

But the opponent was playing Shogi

lol

>if you run away from the viet cong you win

We won strategically and lost diplomatically. We utterly destroyed their warrior population but had too many hippy-types back home calling for peace, so we left.

You cant bomb an ideology into submission.

You're thinking of the Crimean War, burger.

The reason you lost by the way was you let a potato nigger be president of your country and he set the country to the objective of upholding a Roman Catholic government in the face of a war-hardened 97% Buddhist population.

>post anything related to vietnam
>guaranteed red, white, and blue replies

low test hippy college baby boomers is why we "withdrew" (not defeated), and at the most critical moment of the war which was about to drive the stake into the heart of the commie gooks and that was tet offensive. Also france lost to them first.

Vietnam suffered the most losses because of their sloppy tactics. They only won a political victory, not a military victory.

> We utterly destroyed their warrior population
They went on to BTFO Cambodia and China while you guys elected Jimmy Carter.

Not sure why someone who can't win a World war would run his mouth...

"Winning" wasn't the point, selling Uh1 Iroqois and trafficking heroin was.

Also don't forget that the people they were fighting to support were going against their backs at night and helping the enemy.

Americans are fat and retarded how do you expect them to do anything right?

France lost against Vietnam too though. Pic is retarded

Not willing to kill on wholesale enough level to force North Vietnamese to surrender. We could have won and did kill like 1,000,000 of them but not enough justification to do so. It's a good reason to stay out of wars we can't be brutal enough to win. Like Afghanistan. Bring them home.

>How the FUCK did America lose?

Politics and invisible lines on a map.

The United States military was forbidden from crossing into the DMZ which encompassed all of North Vietnam for fear that an invasion of North Vietnam could trigger the Chinese or Russians into entering the war which could potentially start WWIII.

So the US couldn't actually conquer North Vietnam to end the war, thus they were reduced to a defensive war of attrition where in they defended South Vietnam in the hopes that the North Vietnamese (and the South Vietnamese communist rebels, the Viet Kong) would eventually grow tired of fighting and dying and would agree to a permanent peace treaty that would protect South Vietnam.

The problem with this strategy is that they greatly underestimated the will of the North Vietnamese and the Viet Kong to achieve victory. Despite inflicting casualties at a rate of 10 Vietnamese soldiers lost for every American soldier (not including Vietnamese civilian casualties) the Vietnamese still supported the war effort after more than a decade while Americans no longer supported the war in large part due to LBJ's decision to instigate the draft in order to bolster our forces.

In the end the Vietnamese people cared about Victory while the American people did not. It was an unwinnable war that our politicians never should have gotten us involved in and for which they certainly shouldn't have initiated forced conscription to perpetuate.

politics getting in between bombs.

just look up McCain's interview.

I thought German education was better than this.

We didn't lose. The 1968 Tet Offensive was a monumental failure, and all it did was bring out all of the VC (whom we were desperately looking for) and line them up so we could kill them. The Viet Cong were decimated into irrelevancy after Tet, and the NVA (who fought more conventionally) was all but destroyed by 1970. The remnants fled north.....

North, where our politics did not allow us to go. North, where our politics did allow us to bomb.
North, where Russia and China re-armed and rebuilt them over the next several years.

Our politics dictated that we leave.

So we left, and a rebuilt NVA army swept South and took South Vietnam.

Which do you think is more important, genius?

did not allow us to bomb*

We lost from the view of our political objectives
If you look at it from the standpoint of being a war of attrition, we fucking wrecked them

yeah the footage of Marines torching Cam Na in 1965 was part of the Crimean war. Come on leaf.

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We nuked yous into submission, and dropped a second one for fun. Completely destroyed you slanted eyed cunts and made you drop outta the war. It's thanks to us that WW2 ended the way it did.

you left out the part about the chinks and russians were arming, training and in some cases even fighting for the north
its sure as hell wasn't illiterate rice farmers building and setting up russia's SAM systems around hanoi

Mostly the kikes at home pushing "better red than dead"

We didnt, the point of the war was to feed the military industrial complex as long as possible, thje goal of the war was to provide a reason for military spending as long as possible. It achieved that purpose exceptionally well.

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This made me cry.

Drugs and hippies. Live news showing dead boys every night. Unprepared for the environment. That and carpet bombing the fuck out of the populace has never stopped a war apart from Japan.

This.

Also, the Vietnamese defense budget op has shown doesn't include the soviet aid and weapons they handed out like candy.

>Kraut
>forgetting partisans
Should I remind you who those were?

>Not sure why someone who can't win a World war would run his mouth...
TWO World Wars...

We weren't there to win.

We had John McCain

No need to correct yourself, its a 1 post by this ID thread

Widespread support for ending the war voluntarily among US citizens, and internal struggels within our borders (civil rights, corruption and political scandals, a fastly changing culture) that severely drained our willpower and motivation, all culminated into us realizing the war just wasn't worth a middle finger to the Soviets by proxy in some country nobody even knew existed a few years before.

There's a lot of reasons but that's the basic gestalt.

>How the FUCK did America lose?
They didn't lose, they withdrew. If they had lost, Vietnam would now rule the U.S.

we were too organized by then. chaos was our ally in the World Wars, by many recorded accounts of the times German soldiers during WWI&II considered American soldiers very unpredictable.

We won every battle, american people just woke up to the bullshit and said enough is enough of an immoral war.

>1 post by this ID

Dad was a South VN lieutenant and apparently according to him the South was winning rather easily with the US's help, but then the damn protestors got the troops to withdraw and the VCs came pouring in when we were weakened, then China swooped in to grab the Spratly and Paracel Islands. Hey, we could've won.

Same reason why Australia lost the Emu war, a shift in public opinion and vast international pressure.

This. How could we win a war in someone else's name? What would us "winning" even mean? We stood to gain nothing but a mild satisfaction that we flexed our muscles in the most pathetic way possible during the Cold War. We were expending resources and lives for nothing, there was no winning for us, no matter which Viet side backed down, we would just leave if our dog won the fight and nothing would be different than if our dog lost and no one would really care 20 years later.
Seriously, if the other side had won we would still talk about the Vietnam war as if we had lost it.
No one proudly declares we "won" the war in Iraq, and that war was even more pertinent to us than the war in Vietnam even if it was only barely pertinent. Why? The dog we backed was put into power in Iraq. It's still considered a loss because it was something we wasted time resources and lives on and yet we gained absolutely no benefit. Ask anyone if we won the war in Iraq, no one would even know, similar to Vietnam, because it didn't matter to any American like the Revolutionary or the Civil War did.

There was no winning, winning was never possible to begin with.

You know...the French lost there first? And we went in after they ran away?

Stupid bitch.

ITT Butthurt burgers

Right into the pride

Minimal support from the natives. Invading a country while trying to minimize civilian deaths is difficult when the enemy hides behind them.

>implying they lost

>if my allies run away, this means sure defeat

5 million gooks armed and trained by the russians, plus 1 million gook insurgents against 250,000 US soldiers who weren't allowed to engage the enemy like the US had built its army to engage the enemy for the previous 20 years.

same reason the taliban still exists.
the soldiers aren't allowed to kill everyone who looks at them funny and given infinite resources like in ww2.

Yep. It's like if you pinned someone in a fight and just beat the fuck out of them until their teeth were all over the concrete and their eyes were bulging out and then people ask you to get off him and you do and then everyone says you lost the fight and he won because you didn't kill him.

How are you supposed to clear those jungles

You realize how impossible it is

Daily reminder:

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God I hate this fucking forced meme
America was fucking them up militarily, congress didn't even officially declare war, and we pulled out because of liberals bitching nonstop

fuck all of you european faggots that force this stupid shit. you reached your goal. im annoyed. now piss off

this

>guerilla warfare against an enemy supported by the population
>implying you can win that war without massacring most of the populace

The death rate of the US to vietcong was something like 1:50. One dead soldier for 2+ platoons of vietcong.

Hi again.

One execution = Thousands of dead nazis?

Counting is hard.

>leftists politicians. the same type that will ensure your country is a muslim caliphate in 50 years
The coalition that voted for mass immigration wasn't leftist. It was a group of free marketeers looking to boost the profits of their (((masters))).

Because it wasn't our war. We left it to the SV after we blew the absolute fuck out of NV, and they lost the country when we left with most of our forces.

france lost against them first, they were a french colony I believe.

Did it trigger you that there wasn't some kind of symmetry between our posts?
Are you legit autistic?
Besides, it goes without saying the Vietnamese were utterly BTFO by the war. They've been impoverished ever since. They never recovered.

lost against

in a country where you'll go to jail for saying the holocaust didn't exist and talking shit? Come on...

also, didn't know that the USA's def budget was 580 billion in 1968 but ok

The tragedy here was was that Ho Chi Minn approached the Truman administration and told him that if the U.S. would help them kick out the French Vietnam would forswear communism and become a U.S. ally. Truman chose to back the French colonials, most of who were former Vichy. What might have been. At any rate, Vietnam is a U.S. ally now. U.S. Navy ships regularly dock at Vietnam ports, The U.S. military holds annual war games with Vietnam and the largest McDonald's in Asia is in Ho Chi Mihn City.

Probably a good thing that we nuked you. The Russians would have been involved in the invasion and there would have been a North and South Japan.

plus dropped more bombs than in all of WWII.

wars are not 'won' by bombs and killing.

Arrogance and ignorance are fatal in military adventures.

dropped more bombs than all of WWII, so we didnt drop enough? more bombs would have won it? hahahahahah

typical military fag thinking

Hell, it didn't stop the Japanese. It took two nukes and the threat of the Russians being involved in the invasion that did that.

You try fighting the Vietnamese on their own turf when they're being armed and funded by the Soviets and the Chinese. The Vietnamese are good fighters.

Why don't you watch the Ken Burns documentary that literally started on Sunday and is playing every night this week?

From 1964 to 1973, as part of the Secret War operation conducted during the Vietnam War, the US military dropped 260 million cluster bombs – about 2.5 million tons of munitions – on Laos over the course of 580,000 bombing missions.
Land of a Million Bombs | Legacies of War
legaciesofwar.org/resources/books-documents/land-of-a-million-bombs/

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US lost the Vietnam battle
US won the war by preventing the communist domino effect in Asia.

Pic related.

>brought a bunch of south vietnam refugees to houston
>houston has tons of dank pho places
>houston has some tight sideways viet pussy

we didn't lose, we won...

>We utterly destroyed their warrior population
Boy do I have news for you.

>france
>invaded by krauts
>usa
>stalemate to vietnam in a proxy war
makes sense

>US lost the Vietnam battle
See, I don't really get ANY of the "we lost" arguments -- what policy objectives did we fail in? We held up the ARVN until the ARVN collapsed internally and failed. That was our objective; we wanted the ARVN to stand on its own, but it couldn't -- that wasn't within anyone's power but the Vietnamese. Our efforts there bled the Chinese, and ruined the Soviet Union's ability to fund the spread of Communism in Asia. Then we ruined the Soviet Army's ability to directly project power in Afghanistan. We defended Thailand, the Philipines, Indonesia and Singapore from the "domino effect". Someone tell me what we "lost"...?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War

Let's talk about this proxy war

North Vietnam took over South Vietnam.

Biggest lesson is even though we attacked their country relentlessly even with weather and chemical warfare, today we do not here of such cases as vietnamese suicide bomber killing innocents in western countries. Nothing about vietnamese driving lorries/trucks into pedestrians. No vietnamese mass killings at concerts, etc...

Why is that muslims justify their barbarics on prior U.S. invasions. Vietnamese had endured a lot more during the Vietnam War.

>implying burgers lost
m8, after they pulled out, vietnam went full "we won!" and shortly after everything came tumbling down.

Yeah but at least we defeated them to start with
That's how we colonized them
Meanwhile America lost all its one wars against them

>Phuc da US
>thanks Israel

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We didn't lose so much as we didn't feel like killing them in droves any more as we had other shit to do.

We didn't lose. Learn to history.

>but but but

No. No but. We bombed them into submission. They signed a peace treaty (NOT a cease fire). We left the country as part of the agreement and THEN they broke the treaty.

These are the facts. No amount of bullshit can refute them.