I imagine your country sucks, that's why they want to stop being a part of it. You can't stop the will of the people, moorfag.
Lucas Lopez
You have no idea
Right now several BMR's are in Barcelona ready to restore the order if Mossos dont do their duty, CNP and Guardia Civil doing their job perfectly, hundreds of secesionist in the streets crying for an illegal referendum that isnt happening.
THERE WILL BE BLOOD
Ryan Bennett
Catalan here. I don't give a shit about Catalonia nor Spain, but you're pretty on point. Still, for me it doesn't end until i leave this shipwreck for a functioning country. It's okay, i'm as white as they come, green eyes and speak english and russian. Fuck you Spain, Fuck you Catalonia.
Jayden Allen
As far as I've noticed, Catalonian independence is mostly a left wing thing, but also to do with identity for some.
Pretty conflicted about it personally. I support the right wing in any country, but having the borders of Europe change would show the world that our current situation isn't set in stone, which would be positive for the rest of us. I'll just wait and pretend I supported the winning side.
Julian Sullivan
t. Russian kike
Carson Nelson
You're wrong, but you couldn't be blamed since this is the image they've chosen to project in order to garner international simpathy. Catalanism (advocacy of a better status for catalonia inside Spain) has always been an issue on both sides of the alley, left or right mostly depended on whether you came from the city or the countryside. Independentism was for most of it's history a fringe uber-right wing movement that nobody gave two shits about. then the spanish government decided to drag more and more the solving of long overdue (mostly economical) tensions and the catalan politics took this old idea, revamped it, gave it a nice and shiny coat of paint and now parade it as such. But i encourage you to visit the catalan countryside. They're very much independentist. And they're also very much right wing. As i said before tho, not defending anyone here. All of the Iberian peninsula can get nuked for all i care.
Wyatt Cooper
>each time the 'h's and 'a's switch positions, line to line. My fucking autism!!
Angel Collins
que pasa maricas?
Jace Murphy
Don't you worry, i wouldn't be caught dead in germany. Your alpine, mostly german speaking brothers are very attractive to me, though
Camden Rivera
When Catalonia would split, which government would be more right wing, what's left of Spain or Catalonia?
Cameron Hall
Will this provoke ETA as well?
Jack Hernandez
Hard to say. You see, independentists are now conformed in a coalition of three parties. One is totally right wing but are holding their horses just to get support. another one is left wing by name but in reality are leeches making a career on peddling independence and don't much give a crap. The third one are total nutjob sjw's. Beacuse of how much politics have been shifting lately, i can't predict which one would get the cake in independent catalonia. There would be. amassive ideological rift between Barcelona (only one city, but almost half the population of the region in there) which most independentists there are total sjw's. or the countryside/ rest of the region, which is as right wing, if not more, than the rest of spain. Thing is, this right wing is mostly traditionalist, so they would probably shut up if their economical. demands are met. It would probably be like 2 countries in 1
Jace Mitchell
What's in it for them? the basque country is pretty much de facto independent. For the most part, basques are already happy with what they have and no longer see it profitable to get behind some religious nutjobs. Besides the band is gone years ago. If something remains, it's Fringe
Connor Reyes
Americans are so fucking dumb, it's not even funny at this point.
Isaiah Baker
I was thinking more like a snowball effect. I mean, Basque has/had ETA, what will restrain Catalonia to develop its own group?
Adam Allen
oh there was a similar group, "Terra Lliure" they were pathetic in all regards: numbers, ideology and efficacy. I think they were even allied with eta. And if you go further back in time, in the early XXth century there was "Estat Català" which was basically just like the Freikorps, but for catalan independence
Aaron Torres
can a burger get a quick rundown please?
Isaac Hall
Catalonia (cheap beach and paella) want of spain no more. Catalonia make lots of money for spain so spain angry. Catalonia politicians need of push this because if not lose credibility. Spanish presient need of crackdown because if not he of lose supports. no one of back down. on october 1, vote if independent. of non constitutional, but of no choice because central government no allow referendum. of maybe civil war, but everyone pussies.
That good enough?
Lincoln Robinson
>independence coalition wins region Al govt election in Catalonia with promise of referendum >pass a vote to hold a referendum in regional parliament >government of Spain says they're not allowed and use the supreme court to say it's unconstitutional >Catalonian govt isn't allowed to legally hold any referendum but decides to keep its promise and hold an illegal one regardless >now it's getting closer the Spanish govt are using police forces to make political arrests, steal ballot boxes and disrupt the infrastructure for the vote
Is pol sending brigades to spain so we can protect the monarchy from the marxists in Catalonia in the upcoming civil war?
Nathaniel White
Catalan here They should have activated article 155 a year before and sent the tanks
Michael Williams
regional govt*
Also the Spanish government has asked the political districts of Catalonia if they're going to try to hold the vote and only a very small amount (but a few big population centres) said they wouldn't do it, the rest either didn't say either way or said they would.
There's already conflict between the regional and national governments as Catalonia is stopping sending audits and money reports and shit like that and trying to cut Spain out (mostly to prevent incriminating themselves because they'd have to reveal that they'd been finding an illegal vote).
The problem is that even though the Catalonian government passed it as legislation to be a binding referendum, the Spanish government nullified it and made all of the legislation illegal, so really even though successfully staging the vote (which may well win) would be a huge political victory for Catalonia, the Spanish government and the EU will almost certainly just ignore it completely because it was illegal and very unreliable (they don't have proper access to the electoral register iirc and also they might have too many ballots confiscated and stations shut down for people to vote properly).
All it'll really do is be a big boost to the popularity of the independence parties in Catalonian politics.
Cooper Rodriguez
Thanks! This burger is satisfied... now for something sweet.
Brayden Rivera
Good post.
Elijah Sullivan
S S S S S S S
I want Junqueras and Puigdemont in Carabanchel Prison being anally raped.
Kevin Bell
Shouldn't that be jajajajajajajaja etc?
Henry Wright
Not an independist, but you're a moron and i oity anyone who would give their life for this miserable country and/or this illegitimate monarchy
Xavier Russell
I pity*
Juan James
Stop bitching and do something to change it
Brody Barnes
NP senpai, please do us a favour and nuke this place
Camden Nelson
i don't want to change it, just to flee :D:DDDDD
Ayden Morgan
This is why your continent and civilization is dying. You people have no pride in your country and it's history. You've been jewed, hard.
Ian Cook
but i can't feel any pride for this wreck. You know, before i saw the outside world, i thought i was just an anti nationalist, but then i visited other countries and felt, clearly in my hard, that i COULD fight to death for them, i COULD feel pride in being part of them. It's just spain (and catalonia for that matter) that has a problem.
Isaiah Allen
i feel the same for croatia its just such a corrupted fucking shithole
Jack Watson
You have no clue how deluded the Catalans are. They are asking for the independence of a Country that NEVER existed, just like the Americucks keep putting Occitania as an independent country on their retarded "perfect Europe" maps.
In any case the current movement is due to the reaction to the Franco treatment (same reason why the Basque went full djihad). The way the Spanish state and the Catalans elite managed it just made it worse with years of propaganda afterwards on both sides.
Whatever happens, if Catalunya becomes independent, gg to them, they'll end up with a far left state with so much debt and such a thicc deficit their credit rating will go to greek level of instability.
Ian Campbell
Should I vote for Vox?
Grayson Perry
This is a mistake. We used force to crush the Irish in 1916 and they still haven't shut up about it.
Julian Walker
you should visit switzerland, senpai. You will be overwhelmed by an incredible sense of patriotism, even if you had nothing to do with that place before. they are so civil, so logical, so... functioning.
Carter Kelly
i love switzerland too it is actually my favourite european country
Liam Gomez
don't worry, they won't, rajoy wouldn't move a finger if it was up to him, he's just being pressured to do so. and the spanish government is stupid, but i still think they are smart enough not to send the tanks. And if they so, it would be such a shameful massacre (i can't imagine anyone in the independist side using any force and there are no military elements) that spain would be tainted forever, the EU could no longer back them up.
Sebastian Bennett
right? i get so angry when people say switzerland only works because of banks. it's so much more. It's the attitude, the mutual respect between government and populace. i havent seen that anywhere else
Mason Adams
Occitania on perfect maps is not for nostalgia of some imaginary country, but to break up the French and prevent them from having any real influence.
Noah Perez
This user is a retarded liar. The independentist are a bunch of comunist idiots. Cataluña is the California of Spain
>With Western elites pushing hard for centralization on a global scale, and the creation of ever-bigger more “inclusive” international constructions – trading blocs like NAFTA and the TPP, and the shoring up of NATO as well as the EU super-state – insurgent trends in the other direction like the Brexit campaign and the Catalonian independence movement are being bitterly resisted by the powers that be. They couldn’t use force to subdue the Brexiteers, of course, but it looks like the centralizers of Madrid are being given the green light to do their worst when October 1 dawns.
>This would be a huge mistake that would backfire immediately and explosively. For what the West is facing is the prospect of a Tiananmen Square incident taking place in its very midst – an act of violence that, far from ensuring the legitimacy of the authorities in Madrid, would quickly delegitimize them in the eyes not only of their own countrymen but of the entire world. Catalonia would become the collective embodiment of “Tank Man,” with the Madrid authorities taking the role of the despots of Beijing.
Henry Morales
>2017 >believing you live in a democracy
lol
Austin Wilson
>an*rchist Catalaniggers getting rekt again oy vey this anudda 1939
Nicholas Lopez
>Wanting to prevent the good guy main character of History from having influence.
Your german blood is showing, Anglo.
Hunter Walker
>hurr they're a bunch of retards >refuses to let them leave
fucking kek
stop defending your fascist politicians when it's clearly all about money
Samuel James
Has visto el campo catalán, retrasado? son carlistas! que no apoyen a TU rey no significa que no sean igual de retrógrados que tú, solo tienen una identidad distinta. Si hablas de barcelona, podemos estar de acuerdo.
Jacob Rivera
This user is on point. Gotta tell you, at least your empire had their shit together
Jonathan Morris
REMEMBER THAT GOYIM ?
Spanish Police have released striking pictures of a huge weapons haul seized from an organised crime group. It includes over 10,000 assault rifles, machine guns, pistols, revolvers, and 400 shells and grenades. The guns and ammunition were seized in January during an operation against firearms trafficking. Investigators also found an illegal workshop with machinery to manipulate and reactivate weapons, near Bilbao. Five people were arrested. Cash amounting to 80,000 euros (£70,000 / $85,000) was seized.
it was in March 2017
I think it was for the referundum
CIVIL WAR WILL HAPPEN SOON
Kayden Richardson
Catalan here. Fuck these people that want to divide Spain. But the central government is making themselves look more hateable which each day. Los carlistas somos regionalistas, pero no queremos dividir Espana.
Lincoln Perry
>Catalonian independence is mostly a left wing thing
The reason why Catalonian independence movement has gone too far is because right wing supports it too.
William Brooks
Is catalonia the white part of spain?
Joseph Gutierrez
Wouldnt it be a good thing if you could rid your country of most of its retarded leftists
Benjamin Russell
>Carlismo >2017
Robert Harris
I support all secesionists wherever they are. Sup Forums should support them too because in some decades, when the question of a white separation will be asked, it's better the world to be already used to separatism and to consider it as a basic right of the people
Hudson Watson
American obsession with race is comical at this point.
Andrew Morales
Was Catalonia ever independent?
Matthew Jackson
This isn't going to end well
Isaiah Baker
So if California tries to secede something like this would happen, interesting.
Adrian Johnson
It was, under the name of Aragon with two other Spanish regions : the Baleares and Valencia
Aaron Young
How's life in Quimper?
David Young
That's not being independent
Liam Young
The Catalan right-wing supports inddependence too, that's the source of most the struggles within the movement, having commies at the side of right-wingers
Jonathan Scott
We have Catalans in Sardinia too, a full city to be exact Please take em back the only good thing about them is that their women have huge boobs
Leo Smith
mudshit Paki subhuman detected.
Levi Wright
>under the name of Aragon Catalonia was part of the Crown of Aragon. Besides, Aragon still exists. So no, Catalonia was never independent.
Jonathan Morris
The county of Barcelona was independent before anyway, at the time the Moors occupied 3/4 of Spain
Jack Lopez
>getting triggered this easily
fucking kek
Jackson Davis
The kingdom of Aragon contained Catalunya, it didn't bear a different name.
Juan Howard
Same in France. I hate them. Arrogant and pretentious, like the majority of people in the south.
Zachary Bailey
This will be a struggle for power if Catalonia become independent. If you truly want to succeed you need to ditch the communists asap.
Somehow I think there are bigger hand in play.
Hunter Ramirez
The Crown of Aragon was the functional union between the Kingdom of Aragon and the County of Barcelona (aka Catalonia) and it let both regions self-govern, just that for foreign relations it functioned as a single unit.
Adam Adams
literally Catalan Hodor
Dominic Price
>the only good thing about them is that their women have huge boobs Which city? Asking for a friend
Daniel Garcia
>communists
What are you even talking about lmao
Stop listening to the idiots with spanish flags because they're all a bunch of fascists. Real catalonians are in the streets.
Xavier Edwards
The Crown of Aragon contained Aragon, Catalonia, the Baleares and Valencia. It means 4/5 of the territory spoke catalan and was of catalan culture, including the biggest city, Barcelona. So I guess it's pretty legit to say it was the greater Catalonia under a different name
Austin Turner
Ahmed just go, you're a disgrace. Enjoy your few remaining years in the first world before you get deported.
Daniel Lopez
>white bois will become a minority in your lifetime
Feels good man.
Camden Martinez
>Sup Forums >leaving their basement
Blake Harris
>the majority of people in the south The southern half of France is Algeria. You are the last of a dying breed speaking a dying language.
Hudson Ramirez
Catalonia will basically be another enclave. A nice landing beach for rapefugees and other undesirables. Who said I'm pro Catalonia? I'm forming my opinion, but I'm pretty sceptical. Screechers in the streets have no relevance to me.
Angel Diaz
for country I do. See you on the streets Oct 1! I'll make sure to kill you by second hand embarrasment
Chase Green
This
Isaac Russell
Being this sad and pathetic that you pretend you aren't a 15yo aspie raised by a single mum. Honestly, this is pathetic mate - you're an absolute mincer.
Landon Baker
France is greater Ile de France under a different name?
Jonathan Ross
>I'm forming my opinion
I don't think you're capable of that since you're talking about shit that has nothing to do with reality.
Oliver Sanchez
not from there but if it's sardinia it must be Alguer
Jeremiah Nguyen
NOMÉS
Luke Wright
>dying language Thanks for your science my Amerilard friend
Angel Jones
Why don't they campaign for the independence of Aragon then, since that actually existed?
Elijah Howard
FYI.. Meanwhile in Catalonia: Guess why some Catalonian flags have a red star in it ..
