What is the appeal of National Socialism?

What is the appeal of National Socialism?

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It took the entire world to take down 1 country.

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That country had advocades even in Africa.
But Hitler was wrong.

*moment of realisation* holy shit

Angry betas who don't know history think their life would improve, plus some escapism and LARPing.

Pride in your people and country, not being made to feel ashamed for who you are, working together with your countrymen to better not only yourself but the community, refusing to give in to the whims and demands of foreigners, bankers, and the global elite, and the desire to work towards building something that you realize you will never live to see, but your children and your children's children will get to live in a better world because of your struggle.

Communism and national socialism really isn't all that different in their end goal. But the difference is whereas the Marxist is inherently selfish and wants to see everyone else dragged down to his level, the Nazi is inherently generous and wants to raise everyone else up higher than what he himself can ever hope to reach.

>this is what natsoc retards actually believe

It's the ideal that the beta males can throw themselves into a machine greater than themselves. Same reason ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups exist. Prey on the weak and insecure outcasts of society and promise them a better life if they become a drone to the hive.

exhibit A
people who don't know history and don't understand concepts of time, logistics, geography, concentration of force, preparation, and so on

yes. For the Marxist, they must realize self-pity is a deeper form of narcissism, and only by pushing limits and setting greatness will anything be done.

Strength and a culture of collective effort towards human transcendence in material, spiritual and technological levels.

How to say nothing while pretending you said something profound.

>Like how communism is
You can argue that towards any ideology.
what proof would you need to think otherwise?

then how come German collective effort under Nazis was so...shit
same people 20 years earlier fought a two-front war for 3 years against THREE great powers, from the onset, and even managed to knock out Russia and came far in 1918 offensive
meanwhile, Germans were literally defeated in 1943, they just fought till the bitter end, and resorted to conscripting kids

Yes, communism does the exact same thing. Congratulations on being at the same ideological level as communism. Drooling retard tier.

Like capitalism and communism, but you are happy.

>What is the appeal of National Socialism?

a troubled person is being told that he is special but his troubles are because of group X.

FPBP

You dodge a question and set up a straw man and yet screech out retard.

Proof to think what? That natsoc is a good idea? Go ahead, dude. Show me. All I've seen from it is war and suffering. No benefit to anyone in the long run and short term gains for only those at the top as they send the fools they roped in to the meat grinder.

It appeals to economically illiterate people primarily. Not even until the day Hitler shit himself did he ever take any cursory interest in economics... And thus, they cobbled together an unsustainable system that required infinite territorial expansion and very specific national missions in order to support growth of any kind. While there was no opportunity to see how the Nazis would have adapted the economy post war and continue long term into the future... It's generally understood that, like other experimental revolitionary ideologies, economics was not the strong point of this belief system.

Yes, the Nazis achieved some important milestones in social development and infrastructure, but so did every other system during that time. However, since the Soviets were literally starving and engaging in cannibalism during their period of reorganization... It can be said that National Socialism was superior. I will even say that Fascism is a superior model to communism, but only in terms of living conditions. On the civilizational scale, fascism was bound to fail, just as communism did due to a lack of economic forethought.

Fascism was impressive, However, for its ability to inspire hope in the people that believed in it... While communism is an ultimately pessimistic and neurotic disorder of a system, fascism was optimistic... And it caused the people to take pride in who they were and what they were doing, without the fear of death and imprisonment.

National Socialism is appealing to those within the in group of that society for many reasons... But anyone with a functional understanding of Nazi economics, and there are few, know that it was not sustainable.

A strong state is required to protect the nation.

Cool uniforms, feelings of being superior and special, opportunity to do something, also they fixed the economy, invented highways and the Autobahn, etc.

Their flaw was they still believed in right of conquest and expansion when the world had a huge hate boner for Germans in general. Also they didn't want to trade for resources they wanted to have control over them which is why they wanted Eastern Europe so bad

Yeah, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Finland, Croatia and the manpower flooding in from western Europe were inconsequential.

>what proof would "you" need to think otherwise?
you present first

Can you explain how its not sustainable economically or you will just bait?

The same as socialism but for white people.

None. Retards who unironically believe in nazism think it's the only pro-white ideology out there, which is of course not true. Real Sup Forumsack gentlemen don't hate people of other races, but think cultures should remain mostly separate so that their history and identity can be preserved.

Thankfully, only about 20% of Sup Forums are nazis, 15% of which are trolls, shills and globalist plants.

Gibs

>the Nazi is inherently generous and wants to raise everyone else up higher than what he himself can ever hope to reach.
As long as he helps those who are racially similar to him it doesn't harm. Extending this mentality to lesser races is what creates weakness in white countries. Also those civic nationalists need to fuck off,

What? Just look at the history of NatSoc. That's my presentation. You asked me what would change my mind, so I said go for it. Are you being obtuse intentionally to try pick a stupid fight? It's a primitive societal structure that is non-conducive to our uniting as a species and utilizing our gift of being able to manipulate our environment to prolong our existence. It requires divisiveness and hatred of others to succeed and exist.

>Italy
Top kek, best ally 10/10. Literally the shittiest ally you can have.
>Hungary, Romania, Finland, Croatia
Minor nations , not real power.
>manpower flooding in from western Europe
I have no idea what are you talking about.

>What is the appeal of National Socialism?

Pretty much purging your lands of Jews, Freemasons, communists, mud races, and other cancer. Beyond that the people who think that Hitler's flavor of collectivism would work out any better than Marx's are fucking delusional.

Nazis and people who don't like Nazis are just flip sides of the same coin.

You're correct but there's a huge difference here.
Russia suffered massive manpower and material loses in WW1, then had a cataclysmic civil war where commies won, and in 20's it was a shell of a former country. Commies started rebuilding from scratch, let's also not ignore how many smart people just left once they won.
Germany experienced nothing like that. No war was fought on German soil, and while they lost millions in WW1 it can't compare.
German industry, technology and human resources were far from depleted or gone, they were simply experiencing political and economic instability.

The Soviets made the same arguments but refused to name the Jew. They both fought to reduce the power of an anonymous international clique of financial elite.

Much like us and the ANTIFA faggots... We recognize that the same groups are the problem, but we are so fucking stupid that we let the elite goad us into fighting one another.

We are also largely economically illiterate and wouldn't know what to do with our civilization once we got our hands on it.

Well they felt they needed to control the country's resources and trading was shaky because you're at another country's mercy.

I would like to see how it would have panned out, i think they controlled their labor and that's why the military took on most projects, like building housing and roads and such. In socialism you have to control every aspect of the economy, which I think Germans of the time were efficient enough to do. But I think your points are part of it, requiring infinite expansions.

>this pure ideology
Yes the political system that has failed every time it's been tried and it's subset that failed the one time it was tried is perfect
If only niggers didn't exist earth would be a utopia. Cause it's not like europeans are willing to murder each other by the millions or anything.

Actually living in a country where the government works for you, creates jobs for you, gives zero fucks about international banks and demands, makes your cities safe, sensible welfare state, promotes unity, promotes preserving nature, encourages science, encourages christian values...

the more you think about it, the less it resembles modern america

Open hostility toward Jews. Frankly, I'd latch on to just about any ideology even remotely mainstream that featured that, even if I hated everything else about it, which I wouldn't, because anti-Jewish is pretty much on principle nationalistic and against social degeneracy.

It's an unfortunately reality... But our global economy relies on interest and loan repayment to drive growth and investment. The Nazi system was not particularly good at creating capital or encouraging investment. As far as it went, Fascism was a closed system, just like communism. Trade only existed more or less freely amongst fascist states. In order to spur economic growth, and maintain the German quality of life in the short term, they relied on territorial expansion, seizure of industry and commodity and a very specific economic objective... Which manifested as military rearmament and infrastructural projects that supported military action in the acquisition of new resources.

Hitler himself admitted that economics bored him. Those in the party were about as interested or knowledgeable on the subject and, eventually, Hitler just started to let industrialists run the show.

Pure National Socialist ideology was a soldiers movement... It placed noble concepts on a pedestal. Honor, courage and love of race and country are good things, despite the modern mood in regards to it... And often, what is right doesn't make economic sense.

That just about sums up National Socialism's history... They did what they felt was right by their people, but ultimately it didn't make any sense. National Socialism was immature and didn't have the time to fully develop a balanced plan of action on the full spectrum of state politics and ultimately failed, hard.

Most of the SJW's are anti-Isreal desu, which sometimes makes me thing we should join them, but they are too close minded to understand.

You wear the flag, bro. But you actually have no fucking clue what you're talking about. If you can make those kinds of claims about the Axis, you're just proving and expanding upon my point.

>mass pogroms and purging of Jews
>not targeting them

You natsoc retards sure do know how to cherry pick the history you like.

National Socialism optimized state policy to be all about the race, while holding to allowing as much individual freedoms as possible within a greater collective goal.

>Natsoc made christianity the offical state religion, Communism made atheism the official state religion
>Natsoc was pro-capitalism (anti-usury, anti-wall-street-style capitalism), Communism was "state socialism"
>Natsoc protected the right and importance of private property, Communism outlawed private property
>Natsoc allowed people to leave if they didn't like it, Communism kept them prisoner like slaves
>Natsoc was racial and ethnic nationalist, wanted to remove jews and degenerates; Communism made racism punishable by death and was anti-nationalist (rpo-internationalist)
>Natsoc believed nature creates inequality, and inequality is just; Communism believes that equality must be enforced, no matter how many die in the process
>Natsoc believes in male and female roles, communism believes men and women are interchangeable and identical

The question is what proof do you need to think otherwise. The response you've given "oh well you tell me and show points for me" dodges the question I asked and presents no stance on your end. So far you have gone off in a tangent about the intention I have behind my posts then to human nature and unity. Think about the question, and tell me what would be the one piece of evidence you would need to say otherwise.

It was a German racial theory that places Germans ahead of every other race... Even Anglos and Spaniards weren't considered to be on the same level as some autistic German. You'd have to be a cuck to support their racialist theories as anything other than a German.

National Socialism is just another failed German ideology... Like Marxism. It was a fine counter point to Communist aggression, but supporting it for any other reason is just gay ass shit.

Fascism in Italy survived ofor twenty years without a problem. Fascism is not childish, it works. Germany whatever happens will always be the heart of Europe and survive, through its economics. Imagininng a collapse is insane. Hitler invested in the start of his rule in things crucial for the future survival for the future of National Socialism. Strong military, good education of the youth and social programs. Without war, things would stabilize slowly, but surely.

I want proof that it's a viable system, buddy. Show me evidence that the system has any incentive to anyone but the select few tapped to lead it and that it benefits me more than a system where I can acquire more value by putting in more effort. I'm, as far as my experiences have shown, smarter and more business savvy than the average person and have been blessed to have the wealth accumulated as a result. Why would I want a system that doesn't reward me for my extra work and that the only value and merit is my arbitrarily assigned race? I'm not a sheep, I don't need to be a part of a collective to derive worth.

I'm not a National Socialist. I've been calling them out the entire thread. Keep up pinko.

It has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Hitler used it just to attract left voters.


Marxist (Left) socialism and National (Right) Socialism are "antipodal zeitgeists engaged in dialectic". That's a fancy way to say they're opposite ideologies designed to clash, like Yin and Yang.

NatSoc was fundamentally an ideology built around race, while Marxist socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on racial identity. Socialism, in contrast, was a class war between workers, bosses, and owners (Capitalists), aiming to build a workers state in which race and gender were insignificant. Socialists, especially Marxist socialists, were anti-religious atheists, whereas NatSoc went so far as to make Christianity the religion of the state.

The differences go on and on: Marxist socialism was internationalist, NatSoc was nationalist. Marxist socialism was egalitarian, whereas NatSoc believed that nature was unequal and required competition. Marxist socialism wanted to nationalize all private industry, while NatSoc privatized every major industry except the railroads (it considered these a military asset. In fact, Hitler once joked "they didn't need to nationalize property because they nationalized people". pic related

NatSoc redefined socialism as "Germanism/Volkism", which they saw as "producer-oriented capitalism", as opposed to "Jewish capitalism", aka, international finance, globalism, wall street, etc. In theory, NatSoc economics was a version of Keynesianism, tailored to the Völkisch nature of whichever people adopted it. Its not one dogmatic economic system,and Hitler often joked that the lack of a specific ideology was their strength. NatSoc could be more "free market" as Americans know it, or less. But NatSoc is always in favor of the Volk over economic identity, of "producer capitalism" over "finance capitalism".

They're anti-israel for the wrong reasons. They hate israel because they love the muzzies and will suck their dick at any turn including defending palestine. They don't hate israel because of their money-grubbing parasitic ways that ruin nation after nation. For fuck's sake, sjws are in the same bed as jew corporations like kikebook jewgle and all the rest pushing cultural marxism they're just too fucking stupid to realize they're being used as jew pawns the entire time. Think about that shit for 2 minutes.

Then my apologies. Saw rambling about Jews and Russia and jumped to a conclusion.

>people who don't know history and don't understand concepts of time, logistics, geography, concentration of force, preparation, and so on

DERP!

it makes clueless retards feel safe because the government will tell them that they're special while giving them everything.

you know, the same old socialist safe space loving dog shit that all forms of socialism lie about.

Are you just retarded or do you really know nothing about National Socialism? Rocket science is where it is entirely because of NatSoc, the nuke was invented entirely because of NatSoc, the 40 hour working week was entirely because of NatSoc etc etc etc.
It doesn't require you to hate anyone, it wants you to believe that you're the best, believing you're the best doesn't mean you hate everyone who isn't you. That's (((liberal))) logic of everything having to be black or white with no middle ground, "If someone hates X then they must love Y". That's their logic.
The reason National Socialism made such huge strides was because things were being created for the good for the country and of the people (sort of like how Goymmunism is sold), but you're actually paid for what you do (unlike Goymmunism). So everything you do is for the benefit of the Reich (like Goymmunism), but Hitler understood people still want compensated for their time (like Capitalism) and thus they were paid appropriately. If you had a talent for plumbing, but decided to be a builder you would be paid less for being a builder than you would for being a plumber purely because you're paid by how good you are at your job, but you still have the choice of what you choose to do. The reward isn't money like it is with (((Capitalism))) and debt didn't exist. While Britain starved during practically the entire war, it didn't happen in Germany until iirc 1944 because they were self sustainable.
The problem with Goymmunism is that it doesn't care where the cogs come from as long as they're in sync with the rest of the machine. (((Capitalism))) doesn't care where the (((consumers))) come from so long as they're spending money and keeping the debt cycle running.
National Socialism understands that people who've never sacrificed anything to live in a country can't love that country in the same way someone who has can. See Mexicans in America for further evidence.
Remain a goy.It's entirely your choice.

It only appeals to idiots, so very popular here, not so popular where intelligent people gather.

Wrong. Nat Socialism is more akin to Civ Nationalism than it is the "hurdur free colllege feel the Bern" socialism that everyone thinks about when they hear the "s" word.

Rocket science is where it is because of the US grabbing all the valuable scientists from the failed remains of Nazi Germany. Nukes were invented because you kicked all the smart Jews out and they helped the US make theirs.
Are you retarded or just don't know anything about history? Keep (((()))))()()())) dude. Makes you seem real smart.

I would like to see how they would have adapted post war. It wouldn't have been easy and there were plenty of opportunities for failure, but assuming communism was destroyed in a different timeline and replaced by fascism, it would have been intensely interesting to see how it would have gone.

I'm sure they would have adapted to market principles. Fascism was adaptive enough to take them on. They had no specific economic policy that forbade practices on a detailed level like the Soviets so they could have survived. Probably would have ended up as a state capitalist economy along Chinese lines, but who knows.

>n-no, it's not REAL socialism

every socialism loving retard uses this non argument.

>What is the appeal of National Socialism?
Strength.

this

the system worked perfect for white men
kikes and other subhumans however didn't like it so much...

oh well you can't appease everyone

>lolbertarians
>calling other people retards

>Fascism survived in Italy for twenty years.
>It works.
>Half of Italy is still an impoverished shit hole.
>Italy and Spain are all under developed and on the verge of complete economic collapse.
>It works!

You can't expect me to take a look at the vestigial remains of fascism with admiration for its economy.

No, I don't love socialism, but you're conflating two very different systems that are on polar opposite ends of the spectrum. Crack open a fucking book and start with Civic Nationalism before you even begin to put Nat Socialism in the same boat as half-retard bernouts. The source of their wealth and strength come form completely opposite sources you enormous idiot. Jfc, go back to deddit this is not the place for you and your meme flags.

It worked for German Aryans, not so much for anyone else. Slavs and other untermensch considered based and white here would not have done very well under a German racialist system that placed the well being of the Aryan man and woman above them.

As said, even Anglos ranked lower on the spectrum than German Aryans. As a blood Scotsman, I'm not enough of a cuck to submit to some fucking Hun.

God save the Queen, faggot.

You're verifiably retarded though.

it respects the land and it's people

>in theory

if only there was some place on internet where idiots like you could get a short and concise introduction to a certain subject...
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

idiots think it's the only way to get an ethnostate.

a communist dictatorship with keynesian economics well on the way to socialist is not any kind of fucking plan or legacy to build a new empire on

>say nothing
>pretend to say something

I'm not pretending. I didn't said I was a nazi.

They were 30 billion reichmarks in debt BEFORE they started the war.

But of course you're all about feels so the idea of looking into the Nazi economy for yourself never ever occurred to you.

And I bet that you still won't.

Hitler got a lesson from WWI: don't sacrifice home consumption to the war effort. He wanted to avoid a new revolution. So Germany was producing domestic civilian goods although it was at war. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_front_during_World_War_II#Germany
Only after the shock of Stalingrad, and the Nazi propaganda did not minimize it, did Germany engage in total war.

And don't minimize Germany's lack of oil. That's a terrible thing, it prevented full motorization of the army, reduced pilot training etc

German equipment was better in quality and finish compared to Soviet equipment, although they were efficient and good enough for battle. That, among with other factors, allowed the Wehrmacht to inflict higher causalities to its opponents.

>even managed to knock out Russia
kek it took a fraction of what Barbarossa did to USSR to knock down the Russian Empire... If anything, the 1917 victory contributed to give Hitler (and everybody else) the wrong idea that taking down Russia would be easy.

>came far in 1918 offensive
Planes, tanks, electronics were still new during WWI and WWII gave a bigger opportunity for the Allies to exploit their industrial advantage. Also, USA committed fully to WWII, a great replacement for the French economy.

???

Hitler didn't tried to have a general war in 1939, he just wanted Poland, so he could have his front with the CCCP.

There was a bigger effort by the allied + communists in second world war, than it ever happened in the first world war. I don't get your point, I guess you are just saying: "Hitler lost even worse than the Kaiser and Paul von Hindenburg."

Yes, they did, but the struggle was also more ferocious, more spread and it's a meaningless comparison on the ideology value. I'm not a nazi, nor am I defending nazism, I am talking about the appeal of the ideology and the nazi state to observers on our era.

Italy is an impoverished shithole, because its full of third world immigrants, besides that, they have higher GDP than Russia. They have pretty good infrastructure and some pretty nice old Mussolini achitecture I have seen myself. He according to my guide when I was on a tour in Rome, did a lot for the country. Italy became shitty when Mussolini died.
And yeah, Spain sucks balls, but its because of the last years, just like in Italy.

>Italy was a shithole before the refugee crisis
>REEEE ITS THE MINORITIES

Classic stormweenie.

The founding fathers were already fascist. It wouldn't take much for America to be national socialist while still being American. Most of our whites have significant German DNA anyways

Classic low tier bait.

>from the ''failed'' (is not the same as defeated) remains of Nazi Germany.

Oh look at the idiot who thinks Nazi Germany is the end all, be all of National Socialism. Fucking moron. Go get ready for your night classes at community college and get the fuck off Sup Forums. When you learn actual theory then hobble your fat little ass back here for adult conversation.

They were in debt because of spending on stuff vital to sustain the country. America's debt is 20 trillion.

not an argument, cuck pinwheel flag loving bitch.

moving the goal posts is not an argument.

None.

It's a Religion for poor, dumb whites. It sucks

Did I "thread on you"?

>Not even until the day Hitler shit himself did he ever take any cursory interest in economics..
Because economics are at most a tertiary concern, only kikes and rootless race traitors place economics as a primary concern. What matters most is preservation of one's race and traditional culture, propagating strong family units, resisting subversive infiltration and foreign aggression.
Modernist ideologies which focus primarily or entirely on economics, such as libertarianism or Marxism, are for deracinated, deculturated, hyper-individualistic dregs of society because such ideologies only exist to subvert traditional social orders for the benefit of parasitic internationalist interests.

Fpbp

not an argument.

>Founding Fathers
>fascist

>Americans
>mostly German

This kraut shit has to stop. America is an Anglo-Celtic country. Germans have never been a particularly powerful people here.

I have some German ancestry but this isn't really our country or culture, and we weren't even considered white at the founding of the country. There is no consistent "Germanic" people, and Anglos aren't fucking "German" either.

God, I'm starting to actively hate poor Whites - especially kraut larpers

This is why:

> Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told - Full Documentary
youtube.com/watch?v=3HWxKahieBY

> The Holocaust Hoax Exposed - Pastor Steven Anderson
youtube.com/watch?v=-rhGMCYWqKI

> Marching to Zion, The Truth About Israel and the Jews - Pastor Steven Anderson
youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k

> The Jewish Question [Crucifixion, Holocaust, Israel] - Love Life And Anarchy
youtube.com/watch?v=v1jtKNs5q2o

> Triumph of the Will - Germany 1935
youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8

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>Anglos ranking lower than Krauts
>Scots ranking lower than Krauts

Jesus Christ, what world do all you underclass whites live in?

Germany lost both world wars to Anglo-Celtic people. German prods in America are basically niggers and will most certainly fill the role of blacks/Hispanics as the underclass labor in an hypothetical "ethno-state"

"Germanic" people aren't even a consistent genetic people. /pol has become a gathering of subhuman rural jaggalo trash

By Anglo do you mean British?
also if they weren't considered white then why were they allowed in?
or was it just a result of a big, loosely populated land where decentralized German communities could thrive or atleast function seperate from the Anglo core?

>Germany lost both world wars to Anglo-Celtic people.
Erm... didn't Britain kinda get fucked up during WW2?
And wasn't Germany facing off against Russia, Britain, America, France and like 100 other fucks?

Pretty sure in a 1v1 Germany demolishes Britain in WW2.

Not that I think that makes them superior or anything as people.

>a system that requires conquering and acquisition of resources fails to do so
>not a failure

Pretty sure Germany would have stopped at Poland if the reigning powers of the day hadn't attacked him over it.

Though Russia is still a wild card.
Perhaps Germany wins in a 1v1 vs them if they still fight so long as others don't interfere.
Then glorious German empire? dunno.

Do not agree with all aspects of german national socialism, but it is the only political theory that reached power and didn't failed by itself.

>*angry leftist egalitarian extremists

fixed that for you

>Pretty sure in a 1v1 Germany demolishes Britain in WW2.

Not really, neither one would have been able to successfully invade the other.

Because it gives men what they seek for - truth.