Conservatives will unmemeingly defend this

Conservatives will unmemeingly defend this

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This is what happens when you guarantee someone can foot the bill in most cases, i.e. insurance. At the same time, it means everyone needs insurance. Perfect scheme for both insurers and pharma/hospitals

>why are hospital bills so outrageous?

because of the health insurance system. since people are not charged directly and just pay a premium, the hospitals jack up the prices of simple things to whatever they want because they know will get payed whatever they want.

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Americans are the only posters on Sup Forums who defend the absolute retardation of non-universal or non-two-tier healthcare.

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Many hospitals/healthcare providers have exclusive agreements for medical supplies and aren't allowed to shop anything. They'll pay hundreds of dollars for scalpels and syringes that should cost 1/50 that price

Because capitalist regulations are totally what caused this.

>leftists with social anxiety are too cowardly to haggle and negotiate like a fucking man, so instead they go on the internet and bitch about prices after they pay them.

The issue is in the 70's, medicine was legislatively allowed to be a "for profit" enterprise.

Prior to that, it was not allowed to be a "for profit" enterprise.

Doctors made a decent living, but nothing like the lmao420blazeit 500k+ a year after 15 years of training.

Blame the pharmaceutical magnates, insurance monopolies, and greedy doctors who only went to med school for prestige and money: not an economic system of free choice.

tell me oh enlightened one, what is the proper amount of money that a doctor should get paid?

Admittedly, it did drastically increase the rate of medical R&D. We do regular procedures now that were inconceivable or sci-fi tier in the 1960s.

How about you tell me? Prior to the insurance industry becoming ubiquitous in the united states doctors made an inflation adjusted 70-90k USD per year.

It’s indefensible but it doesn’t mean we need socialist healthcare. It means we need to stamp out corruption. Nobody goes after corruption because all our policy makers and law makers and the entire legal system is corrupt. The root cause of the problem is the jews and until you weak betas and omegas realize this and start doing something about it (such as killing jews) then nothing will change

>How about you tell me?
The cost of a good or service is determined by the intersection of its supply with how much demand there is for it.

Move countries then Subhuman non-white scum. You probably support ANTIFA you fucking degenerate leftist

My as soon as i finished my MOOP on obamacare round one I was billed for an $18,000+ urinalysis. They never took my urine.

That's why you negotiate from a position of strength.
>Ok buy my drug for 500$ or else.
US
>S-sorry please let my buy your drug I'll pay 1000$
Canada
>I'll buy it for the fair price of 50$, still allowing you to make a reasonable profit while letting my citizens access affordable healthcare or no one in the country will buy it

If He's a GP, he should be getting half of what he earns because GPs are glorified pill dispensaries now.

Prices are like that because of the prevalence of insurance in case of serious injury. Literally nothing would change with socialized healthcare except that the government would be getting the retarded bills and using it to justify stealing more of your money. That and the quality of service going down because the system gets overloaded with niggers wanting gibs and old people experiencing minor pains.

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>Conservatives: Hmm, yeah the system is definitely fucked up. Bandaids shouldn't be $600. Why are they that expensive? What causes that? We should fix that.

>Leftists: IT'S SO EXPENSIVE SO WE SHOULD JUST MAKE IT FREE SHIET

Yes, I too have taken Econ 101.

However, when there are outside forces acting upon a market to artificially inflate demand (externality), you end up with the price for a good or service that is not located at the rational and normal point along the supply and demand curve.

The current usurious state of medical insurance is a textbook externality.

t. took econ 101 and thinks that supply/demand determine everything.
The difference in doctors/capita is very little between Canada and the US for example, yet the share of healthcare in terms of % of GDP is so much higher in the US with no noticeable quality improvements. If you compare it to some european nations it's even worse.
Regulations do matter in economics because the real world is not an environment that allows for perfect competition.

the answer is jews

It explains precisely why Obamacare is solving nothing.

>the system gets overloaded with niggers wanting gibs and old people experiencing minor pains.
But they already get medicaid

>The difference in doctors/capita is very little between Canada and the US for example

And what do doctors get paid in canada?

pretty much this

No one defends this bullshit. Conservatives just have a different solution to it other than
>free healthcare to everyone paid for by ???

Really, both parties have allowed this to go on for too long.

Happened under Obamacare. You defend it shitlick.

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>No one defends this bullshit.

Refusing to participate in the process to fix it is defending it.

It will get infinitely worse.

Since when have Conservatives offered something that wasn't "Obamacare, but this time insurance company CEOs make even more"?

What needs to be done is discriminatory heatlh care needs to be introduced. People who are obese, don't care for themselves, etc, should not be treated. Doctors should be allowed to kick people out without treating them - especially old people there to just waste time. Medical R&D should be developed domestically, subsidized by tax dollars under an agreement that forces researchers to sell it for a fair price to fellow countrymen.

Other dumb shit like keeping old people alive is retarded. Fuck your vegetable Grandmother that can't even remember anything. Pull the plug. Stop wasting time, bed space and money.

Depends on the province and the specialization but in general I would say about ~40% to 25% less before taxes, after taxes it would probably be around ~60% to 40% less.
That is beyond the point thought.
The point being that the US as a nation uses way more resources for no noticeable effect on the quality of life of its citizens.
Even if we only calculate govt. spending on healthcare/capita it still comes out to around ~4k$ in the US and ~3k$ in Canada.
My argument being that the US spends more in tax dollars per person on healthcare, while lacking the "free" services that most nations spending around the same amount do.

>healthcare is expensive because doctors are greedy and wont settle for lower salaries

is this literally your argument?

The average cost of the health system is almost .50 cents of every dollar spent in provincial bugets. And provinces are becoming fiscally insecure and the health system is still a fucking mess nationwide.

Had a doctors visit recently after my doctors practice got bought up by the local hospital. My bill went from $85 with no insurance to $25 co-pay, then I saw that the hospital charged my insurance company for $180 and they only paid out $90 something.

The fuck is going on?

> Supporting the idea of universal healthcare to save people money and guarantee better health outcomes makes you an antifa-supporting leftist
Jesus Christ how do people get this brainwashed into defending free market fundamentalism

You could just not pay it and see whether the hospital gives enough of a shit about a bandaid.

That simply isn't enough. I absolutely agree that those who disregard their health need to be left to fend for themselves. There also need to be safeguards against unscrupulous hospital administrators charging someone up the ass because patients are in a vulnerable position. I have no problem with a single payer system. I hate the idea of said single payer system picking up the tab for third world immigrant hordes and the dregs of society.

Jew spotted

There are several conservatives that want to allow insurance companies to compete across state lines, which would produce more competition and bring costs down.

And yet it's still better than the US if you look at the numbers from both provincial and federal.
The federal sector spends much less on healthcare than the provincial (in the range of ~15% iirc) while the US federal spends ~25%.
However if you take total public expenses the cost is much lower here than in the US, I'm not saying it's perfect but it is much better.
Doctors are part of a system, the system allows or disallows them from making what they do.
If the govt. set the salaries of doctors and the profits of the pharmaceutic sector on a nationwide level (which is what indirectly occurs in a single-payer healthcare system) they would take that money because it's not worth abandoning a huge market over.
tl;dr: insurances """''settle"""""" with hospitals because hospitals aren't allowed to officially charge different amounts for the same service in the US.

Single payer healthcare works when you live in a racially homogeneous society.

You either go full universal healthcare or full free market healthcare. This limbo the USA has is so shitty.

As long as you can enforce your taxes, it doesn't matter.

>full free market healthcare
That will guarantee mass death and a huge drop in the average life expectancy.

>Let's remove market forces from the healthcare industry, that'll fix it!
This is what the left actually believes.

The industry still needs to make profits and almost anything is better than the current US system.
2 parties negotiating does not remove market forces.

Good. People living to 100 and sucking up the hard work of younger generations is terrible for the economy and our culture.

So who are they charging the massive amounts to that will actually pay it?

>Actually defends this shit!

>Facets think this is what capitalism is.
This isn't capitalism, it's corporate Cronyism that is so deep in healthcare and insurance that it would take serious legislation to fix it. This would have to prevent hospitals from abusing their charge master but the lobby groups for these people will start dropping as much money as they can to prevent it.

I don't disagree with the idea, but that's not all that has been packaged in any republican bill.
I also don't see how it would end up any different than the current ISP situation, where yes, Comcast and Spectrum are 'competitors,' but as a consumer I have never had more than 1 option.

>that will actually pay it?
In most cases, no one.
The 100k$ hospital bills are somewhat of a meme.
I'm probably too drunk to explain it properly but here I go
>Hospital is obligated by law to charge the same amount to everyone
>Hospital charges arbitrarily high price for all their services to have some leeway
>Insurance ends up paying less that is on the bill by "settling" the debt
If you are a private individual you can do the same thing and negotiate your bill in most cases.
The 100k$ hospital bills are somewhat of a meme in this regard, the bill looks huge, but in most cases the actual price is nowhere near that high.
The real problem is that those actual prices are still very high compared to the rest of the western world.

I was in the hospital for 2 and a half days once and the only thing they actually did was give me antibiotics and hydration through an IV. The hospital bill came out to $45k, my insurance "reduced" it to $13k, and I had to pay $4k of that. So in the end the hospital was still paid $13k for a course of antibiotics and a few bags of saline solution.

>socialist health care costs are the right's fault

>The hospital bill came out to $45k, my insurance "reduced" it to $13k, and I had to pay $4k of that.
Sounds accurate from what I understand.
It's just a stupid mix of the worse of both systems .
Pretty sad actually, the average income in the US could have been an equivalent of around ~200k$ if healthcare, education and housing haven't experienced the immense cost growth that they did according to Gallup, and I tend to trust them on stats: news.gallup.com/reports/198776/e.aspx

The current limited ISP situation is a direct cause of government regulations. Maybe this article will help:

scientificamerican.com/article/competition-and-the-internet/

The American business sector is very strong, despite the governments best efforts to haut it over reelections/being complete cucks. It's more efficient and allows you, the people, more control because you get to vote with you dollar in free markets.

I literally don't understand how this happens, the insurance companies have a profit motive to negotiate those costs as low as possible, so that their cost per insuree is as low as possible, and therefore their profits go up.

There's no competition.