Moving into Fascism

How many of you legit feel like you've moving further into something like fascism or natsoc after the election? What is pushing you there? Is it something in politics, society, economics?
>inb4 REEEE you're all retards
It's interesting to find out why this is happening, please be respectful and let people give their testimony. No one has ever been corrected or converted by autistic shrieking.

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I've already moved there 4 years ago.

>corrected or converted
who cares? like it would make a difference if some fat american retard here becomes a fascist...

>moving only after the elections
Hi newfag

Its when you realize that your people are being replaced, and that everyone else. The Communists, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Libertarians DON'T CARE. In fact most welcome it as "diversity" and "cultural enrichment" blatantly ignoring the destruction they cause to our society's cus "muh GDP"

When you realize that there's a reason that Europeans run the world, and its not because they stole science from the negro.

Its when you realize everything Hitler said was true, and that holocaust was a lie made by the snow niggers.

When you realize that the forces that Hitler and Mussolini fought are in power right now, and stronger than every.

......

Or maybe its just the cool uniforms, who the fuck knows?

After we physically remove the lefties I'd prefer if we could just go back to racist liberalism.

A lot of the propaganda and nat soc facts on here have changed my worldview.

im moving out of it after the election. it assumes that there is something worth preserving and nurturing in your own people, which im starting to see is not the reality

this is a data gathering thread. dont give them anything, anons.

>I'm sure Liberalism will work this time!!! but when commies say the same thing their retarded XDDDDDDDD

lol nope
the logic is stupid

reminder mussolini was a liberal faggot who only did the "racist" things because adolf ordered him to. mussolini's governments consisted of many liberals, jews and socialists. he also didn't care for white race.

All these leftist JEWS shilling against white interests and their puppets, they can't keep getting away with it. So one must speak against their evils.

either full right fascism or full left socialism is going to be the future for the country. Capitalism has benefited only the people at the very tippy top and left the others behind. We've entered a second Gilded Age, the US at this point is on fast track to becoming fucking Brazil.

We're hitting the point where kids are going to break their arms or ribs or get a life threatening illness and the parents are going to attempt to treat it themselves because they can't afford to pay for it. And that is just not acceptable.
Shillary says socialized or single payer health care is a 'magical pony' that will never ever happen yet shithole countries like Cuba and the Czech Republic have it? When we still have the largest economy in the world?

democracy is a show for the masses. the elite act with impunity either way

atleast fascism is honest

to be honest?
I just hate all the SJWs and feminists with all their constant batshit crazy ideas.
>I don't hate all black people though. the flag is just because I'm southern.

It was working for several centuries before 1965 happened, my dude. And like I said, I'd prefer if we physically remove leftists, so I guess you can call that fascism if you want.

I was always a fan of the classic 50s-60s lifestyle. Voting in Trump was America's final democratic decision as a people to regain control of our lives but the cesspool we call a government won't even let him put out a tax break, even with a majority Republican rule.

That of course proves that our government hasn't changed since the 90s. They all work together to do nothing but constrain and deliver profits to McDonald's Jews. Why is our government like that? Because we have idiots voting (minorities, women, non-landowners, indoctrinated plebeians). Why did they get to vote? Because our system betrayed us and we grew too weak from freedom to stop it. Democracy doesn't work past a certain size of population or land. I haven't become a NatSoc but I accept that a sane future lies in either fascism or monarchies.

The only cure. All you need to do is to go on twitter. To realize it

Every time I fucking as a general question, some tinfag fluoride brain comes in and calls it a datamining thread. Well, I got news for your tinfag: the whole internet is dataming you, google "Snowden revelations"

>tax break
yeah that's worked so well the past decade

Modernity's problems are far too deeply entrenched to be solved by moderate paleoconservative nationalism operating within a democratic framework.

>Race
Not a racial absolutist, but I'd like an unquestioned ethnic majority. Unfortunately, I feel like America's too far gone demographically. The level of racial diversity we have isn't sustainable, and racial tension is inevitably going to get worse.

>Economics
Millenials are getting fucked. Housing prices are ridiculous, the price of a college education is absurd, too many entry-level jobs now require years of experience in the field. American productivity has gone through the roof, wages have stagnated. The economy looks good on paper, but the average person isn't doing terribly well.

>Society
Premarital sex and divorce need to be stamped out.

it's happening because it was always the plan of the elites to create fascism through a left-right conflict. problem, reaction, solution.

create a problem: the degenerate left. soros funds blm and antifa, degeneracy taught in schools, the destruction of the family, etc.

control the reaction, shill for fascism on the internet, push the degenerate left into violence and assert that something must be done to stop it.

present a solution (the solution being what they wanted all along): a centralized government with total control over the economy and the capability to bypass standard civil liberties and democratic safeguards in the name of stopping the enemy.

and there you have it, the elites in power today gain abilities they don't yet have, but very much want. all by using the people who hate them the most to build the fascist government for them, to stop the problem they created.

now do you see why larping as nazis is dangerous?

>Every time I fucking as a general question
stop asking general questions you datamining fagget.

For me it's just become more obvious that pure democracy doesn't work. When society is designed to reward poor people to reproduce constantly while at the same time penalizing those who value prosperity which leads to having babies later in life, the functions and size of the government will always trend toward socialism.
So I guess im moving toward whatever will stop this madness

>he also didn't care for wh*te race
that's a good thing
meds aren't wh*te
fuck wh*tes

That's not Fascism, not at all, killing lefties is not "fascism" its just killing lefties.

I don't feel like making another TLDR post so just go to Ironmarch and don't say stupid shit like that again.

Good luck stopping people from having premarital sex. Like you said, we're way to far deep in modernity for a full stop or deus-ex-machina fascist dictatorship to occur naturally without plunging the country into chaos and destruction.

none of the systems we have work because the same people always end up running them. and no, they're not all jews, just mostly jews. and not all jews are in on it, but many are, many more aren't.

democracy, fascism, doesn't matter, it won't work because the people at the top never work for us.

the only hope lies in decentralized governments where the power lies at the local level, this is harder to corrupt and control. the elites require top down leadership. smaller government is not what the elites want clearly. it should be what you want.

Traditionalist and libertarian. Natsoc and facism are dead political ideologies. They literally do not exist except on the internet for white social and work failures.

>Ironmarch
Kek, sorry, I'm not a Jihadist.

Nobody gives a shit about Mudsolini's pretend fascism. Evola's fascism is the only true and purehearted fascism

You need to restructure the entire system and society before you really dip into the only ideology bent on transcending man

It has its problems but its still a good resource.

You're right in that Right-wing authoritarianism isn't happening naturally. There's no need for it. Most people are too stupid to realize the necessity of it, they're far too comfortable and the consequences of modernity are still quite a ways off in the distance.

That's why I'm rooting for collapse. It's the only climate that's favorable to what I want politically.

What do you think happens to race relations in this country, should we get hit with another great depression? How empowered will women be once bachelor taxes are imposed on (and resisted by) men refusing to marry? There are a lot of wrenches currently "shaping up" just waiting to be hurled into the system.

Hell, look at the Trump administration currently. If he cucks on DACA, a good chunk of his voters will be finished with politics, any faith they had in reform or democratic participation will have evaporated. A Trump impeachment would yield similar results.

Things need to get worse, user. That's the only way they get better.

>Ironmarch
>Jihadist

I tend not to bother too much with the people who think overt-Fascism is viable currently. How is Ironmarch Jihadist?

Requiring birth control treatment for welfare recipients with children would be a good start. Or made at least out of wedlock

>cries about datamining on a japanese datamining forum
wew lad

Fascism ... lol mommy look I want to be like Hitlur, he was so fascist and stuff
Educate yourself. NatSoc was no ordinary fascism, some idiots just put it there, cause they had no other way to label it.
NatSoc is a singular movement, that had no precedent before and after. It is no Fascism, it is NatSoc, so get that Flag off and stop pretending you know shit about the NSDAP, Hitler or politics in general.
Read Mein Kampf, and if you have to learn german for that, do it. And then make up your mind. Maybe you'll understand then what is good and what is bad about the ideology.
After that you might wear that flag again and post shit about NatSoc and Fascism.

>saged
>t. german officer

Faggots thinking fascism is something to consider moving into when the president himself is distancing himself from it. You don't counter SJW with fascism. You do it by throwing thier own stupidity back at them. ie. Hillary's "basket of deplorables." You cocksuckers have been inside the echochamber too long.

>What is pushing you there?
Leftists.

I think hes referencing the fact the one of Ironmarch's member had a small fascist group who did things like pull pranks and post posters. When this user went to join the foreign legion he came back to find one of his friends went full ISIS and killed the others.

It was on the news, though ironmarch might not have been named.

natsoc is another faggot ideology. There's a name for it and it is tribalism.

shit bait because it's true
50% are larping
50% are serious
100% are a minority
Sup Forums is a minority
why bother fαm

Facism isn't for.sjw. it's for the imminent stranglehold that shitskins are about to have on the electoral system. America is done.once that happens.

Say what you want about accelerationism being the only viable solution, but I don't think it'll work when all the world's global elites are pitted against you. If anything they'll just be rubbing their hands together in laughter as America burns to the ground, after which they'll seize total control over a defeated public. I still have some faith that Trump can dig us out of this mess, and we can do our part.

I was joking about that one Ironmarch user a few months ago who converted to Islam and then killed his roommates. That place is a Dunning-Kreuger breeding ground for low IQ skinheads and wannabe terrorists, I read a few articles there and stopped taking it seriously after that.

>all these triggered buttblasted replies when all I did was ask if anons had moved in a direction politically and why, and cleared stated so
The autism is real.

but is it worth saving? it obviously wants to kill itself

IM had a member convert to Islam, so they booted him out. They warned his roomates to disavow him, but they didn't. Then the Mudslime convert when aloha snackbar and merced his roomates.

>complaing about autism in Sup Forums
wew lad

no
same with G*rmany, S*eden, Fr*nce, Ca*ada and Brit*in

I'm a monarchist, traditionalist, and nationalist. I'm not and never will be a fascist.

>a Burger monarchist
Is you favorite day Whopper Wednesday?

No thank you, I feel like I'm drifting further and further the more I realize it just doesn't align or respond to my values in a meaningful way.

I do like using it for self-reflection and perspective.

Old Sup Forums is natsoc. I was drawn to it by an interest in history.

Same

I used to be a cuck leftist when i entered in highschool. Then 2015 came.
Terrorist attacks, Charlie Hebdo, 11/13, Nice's truck and so on (but it was in 2016)

First i was Charlie, as all cuck must be. "Je suis charlie" "Not all muslims" "Islam is a religion of peace and love" (top kek)

Then i started to radicalise to the extreme right.
I started to be fully patriot.
Then, i became civic nationalist, and ofc anti-migrant
Then fully nationalist. But with some leftism in my mind "all civ are equal blabla" "black people deserve to be helped by whites"
And the final transformation nat-soc : "fuck you all, heil white Europe, heil white people, fuck the elitists kikes, Hitler was a great man, he wanted a better world for europeans"

and then you realized you're still a whiteflaggot living in a country ridden with niggers
kek

National Socialism is the end result of evolution. If you believe in evolution, you've got to be a Nazi if you think about it long enough.

youtube.com/watch?v=DB9oUqIcX-c

Oh, so I'm really not missing much by avoiding them, then.

So, I'm genuinely curious as to your opinion on the following things. How does a Trump administration fix:
>Sexual Liberation (Oxford-educated Anthropology J.D. Unwin, in his study of civilizations, found that sexual liberation always precedes civilizational waning or collapse)
>Abysmal out of wedlock birthrates
>Declining marriages, and awful divorce rates
>Stagnant wages
>Solidify the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency, and save it from the cliff it seems to be approaching.
>Fix the national deficit
>Fix demographic issues (White minority America)
etc.?

These things all seem to be a guaranteed death knell for America long term. I just don't see a moderate Paleocon reformer fixing it. Especially from an office as weak as POTUS, with constant opposition from the legislative and judicial branches. Members of his own party oppose his agenda, and he seems to be in a position where he feels the need to compromise on policies that are already half measures.

With regard to accelerationism, I think you're making a mistake by assuming the global elite are playing on the same team. Soros et al. might be fairly unified, sure; however, a weakened America guarantees a multipolar world. Do you think those with money and power in the EU will continue to play second fiddle to U.S.-based elites? What of the Russians? They're not a positive influence, sure, but their billionaire class seems to be opposed to the international clique of cosmopolitans we've been cursed with. How do the Chinese elite react?

Regardless, a pissed off populace and a collapsing society is the only climate fertile enough to grow something capable of toppling such elites. Obviously Hitler did this. There's a case for Bonapartism having similar effects. Hell, Andrew Jackson managed to bloody the bankers with minor resentment in Appalachia.

t. Swarthy turk

America is probably going to be the last white cultural society to fall. I don't.think we have a choice. Europe doesn't have a chance in the coming decades with the billions of new niggers being born in Africa who will no doubt jump on an inflatable raft to the EU as soon as they can walk.

>I'm really not missing much by avoiding them
Were you looking for groups that embrace Islamic converts or something?

No, obviously Islam is trash, but any group that has a member who takes the "white shariah" meme as anything other than a tongue-in-cheek call to embrace traditionally Western modes of moral regulations isn't a group I want to associate too much with.

Plus, having just briefly skimmed their forums, I can say that a lot of the posting comes off as being extremely lowbrow. It's a pity there's really no scholarly outlet for Third Position views.

Honestly, to me it's been realizing that Trump is genuinely an Israeli shill. I thought that he would end the charade and instill his own policy after the election. Then I saw his cabinet picks and the bombing of syria and the Afghan troop surge. I've eschewed the concept of democracy as a moral form of government, accepted the JQ as a pertinent issue, and no longer think the free market can exist in a world where there are jews.

Hitler understood something that I'm just now coming to terms with and it's effected me quite a bit. I'm not sure what I am anymore but I think the US military would be more moral and adhere to the constitution than our leadership. I think our demographics need to be violently readjusted.

Move over to the right; become Reactionary Monarchists

Mainly due to the fact that how much the media is trying to turn Generation Z (I.e. My generation) into a fucking commie. Also, the fact that fascism is also a smart idea if you remove the hurr de sure MUH GENOCIDE ideas from it (afaik Fascism isn't genocide afaik; as that was Nazism and when Hitler convinced Mussolini to adopt such ideas). Would like some information on what pre-WW2 Fascism (Italian) was though as it's pretty hard to describe.
At this rate, my generation will either be commies, nazis, or even worse...
Green supporters.
>Forgets possibly their greatest ally in Eur- I mean the Pacific.
Never change burger, never change.

>America is probably going to be the last white cultural society to fall
lmao

You don't pass muh single payer when the country is inundated with foreign invaders, most of them illegal. Look at Houston. All those donations, all the help that was signed off before any of this has been ate up directly by people that don't and will never pay into it. All these people know is how and how much they can steal from everyone else. Now you want to sign that death warrant onto the rest of us via that retarded system? Look at the clusterfuck of the NHS, they are dealing with the same outcome - people can't get a simple appointment because of the hordes that just up and walked on in that have a particular pigment to them that seems to be the flavor of the day.

The left forced me, I just wanted to play vidya and fap to traps but nooo that's too much to ask...

hey guys, an american jew here, proudly being a nazi.

could you redpill me on the subject, because im confused?

Hitler is the jewish national hero for obvious reasons, but i dont get why would whites worship him and fascism?
it doesnt really make sense to me.
isnt standard nationalism simply better? all of your corresponding countries surely have a badass nationalistic patriot in its history? even the worst shithole of countries have patriotic heroes.

i dont get it, please help me understand.

...

I obviously can't predict the future, but from what it seems the public as it stands just doesn't seem motivated enough to take to the streets in some kind of violent revolution. If a fascist/third position group actually does come to fruition then I think they'll be starting something separate from the ground up rather than in the place of American democracy. Even most right-wing white Americans are for the most part libertarian/anti-big govt, so what you're advocating for is basically something that wouldn't really resemble traditional America at all.

Either way, I think Trump's trying to make gains in the demographic issue with DACA and the wall, the problem is that the establishment is cockblocking him in that regard. I'm holding out on hope that he's pulling a temporary compromise to get the wall as Styx said, because if he cucks out on that then he can kiss that second term goodbye. If the demographic issue is fixed then we'll probably end up looking like something like Japan for the time being.

All and all, I think that modernity is inevitable and that a return to true traditionalism is nothing but a pipe dream at this point. Even the alt-right, with their seemingly outright rejection of modern liberalism, is still submerged within modernity itself. It operates within the very confines of what it opposes. And Japan, even with their totally homogeneous population, is still starting to succumb to the negative effects of modernity. I think if anything you could argue that technology is what's going to bring about the downfall of civilization.

Nazi Scum! Pay for me!!! REEEEEE

I'd rather be a transvestite than Greek desu

Either you're stupid or a leftie.
Either way, you're retarded.
I'm betting either Australia or the Nordic countries (I.e. Denmark, Norway and Finland, not Sweden. Although Norway just lost the Battle of Oslo iirc).

Kek, kind of.
You are half right. The difference is, i'm aware of this. And at least, i'm not a sheep anymore. Still a sheep of something, but not the sheep who follows gently the merchant kike shepherd.

At least i'm not the sheep they want me to be.
And i know i'm defending the right cause and i always will be defending this at the expense of my life. For my people, our history, our nation.
For our sake.

That's why, we kind of won this fight. The only millenials/Z-Gen that are ready to give their lives for a great cause except their own fucking individual life, it's us. The youth of extreme right in West is the only one who is really conviced in his ideology, and who is ready to give his life for this.

And even is it's "lost" (i dont think it is, not at this point, not at this moment), it's a dutty to defend our identity. If (((they))) want us to not defend this anymore, then as we said "come and get it"

Britian, France and Germany are all lost causes. Italy, Spain and Portugal were never white to begin with. The ex-soviet states will follow wherever the EU goes. Poland and Hungary might still be salvageable. Sweden's toast. Finland and Norway may be salvageable.

I'd rather be a shit Anglo than a great Greek. Don't take it personally, m8

American nationalists seem to be moving away from NatSoc lately at least in terms of imagery, with makes me pretty happy. Even the recent Murdoch Murdoch video seemed to have that sort of message. Regardless of what you think of Hitler I think it's best to use symbols that represent America and not 1930s Germany.

they are all going down but if anyone is going down first its the usa

But a transie? Seriously?
That's literally worse then roach levels.

It was a tough call, but I think I made the right decision

Australia and New Zealand are more likely to become Chinese and/or Indian at this point then African or Middle Eastern though; so at least that is better.
Idk about the Nordic countries, but apparently the 3 out of the 4 scared away the "war veterans" due to their taxes and climate/weather, and Ofc they're unwillingness (compared to Germany, Sweden, etc.) to hand out free gibs.
Surely?

I live in London and I've been watching it turn into something resembling a third world country over the last 15 years. That's pretty much why I've gone from apolitical to full 1488. 90% of people on the right just don't want to live with savages.

The left and the "liberals" are pushing people into fascism. End of story.

Yes. Fascism is the answer. You can't talk the gay out of someone, but you can beat them with a baton.

That won't make them less gay though.

wow nice job responding to everyone in the thread jackass
>look mom I did it again

Never been a NatSoc, had Fascist tendencies since my late teenage years, but became quite liberal-ish during my university years, just to get "radicalised" again due to realising how shit the modern world is like two years ago.
NatSoc/Fascism are babbys first redpills though, because they are fundamentally modernist ideologies based on post-Enlightnment ideas like nationalism and while they can work for a few decades, the ruler lacks any proper legitimacy and after their death the system will most likely quickly transform into a liberal democracy.

It'll beat the shit out of them. Who knows, they might die directly or indirectly because of it.
Besides, there's always the answer of using hypnosis.

That's kinda the problem though. Beating the shit out of people for being subjectively "weak" or "inferior" sets a dangerous precedent and creates an ever-narrowing window of what's socially acceptable. Eventually you'll just turn into something akin to outright Communism in which your citizens are literally slaves to the state.

Fascism or nat-soc... Whatever.
The thing is the more the elitist push the european/white to their own death, the more the survival instinct radicalise himself to something really really extreme, like fascism/nazism.

As a young teenager, i would never imagine that one day i could defend the """horrible""" national-socialism, or fascism.
But i am now. Leftism, globalist kikes, libtards, pushed me to do this.

I'm not happy to defend those ideology, but i must. It's for the sake of my people, and the white Europe.
There's no other options. Now i'm waiting, in my country for more french to join my ideology, or closer to mine. Nationalism, identitarian, or something like that.

11 millions french chose that. It could have been much better if Le Pen didn't fuck her campaign.
We're waiting for more.

We are at the cross of many roads. I'm pushing my people to the only good one, the way of survival

Perhaps a certain loss off faith in politicians... a sudden realization that something is terribly wrong with my country (or continent in general) and that the immigrants are partly to blame... perhaps the knowledge that only drastic measures will bring any chage... me being disgusted by the rotting spiral os self decay Europe has plunged itself into.

I've been shifting to fash/natsoc for years. It's not necessarily my ideal system (I prefer small government, low tax American traditionalism), but it's really the only way to secure a future for my country, family, and way of life. Between the chinks, the kikes, the mudshits, the nigs, and the spics, no other political ideology cares about my specific self interest over theirs.

That's fucking retarded. Fascism was an italian movement.

I was a civic nationalist in 2015 but as the election went on, I became horrified at our corrupt institutions and then I realized that the negro and Hispanic are trying to replace American heritage. I saw these niggers march in my brothers beautiful streets against the police for niggers who raped and murdered their whole life. I watched as communist reds dressed in black beat and killed trump supporters. Then it hit me that democracy has been corrupted by humans and now it is time to bring back order to america. I now believe that social fascism which is militarization of the police and authoritarianism introduced to law and counter-terrorism is the only way to save our constitution from the totaltolitarian left and the communists. I also began to embrace white nationalism, as I watched our birth nation's in Europe be over ran with Arabic invaders. Then I saw the truth that whites are the minority and if we don't fight back we will soon not exist and the media has made it clear.

>"white shariah" meme
No he literally became a Muslim, not a meme. Then IM banned him for that, because no mudslimes. Then they told his roomates to kick him out. They didn't, and they paid the price. It wasn't IMs fault, it was their fault for not listening.

Are you talking about that race traitor from atomwaffen?

Exactly, my friend. I am with you. Same story. I never thought I'd become a fascist, but if I must to defend my right to exist, I will.

Yes.
>IronMarch banned Devon’s account when it became known he converted to the terrorist ideology of Islam and we did everything we reasonably could to try and have him removed from the organization. We object in the strongest possible terms that he was in any way ‘representative’ of IM or it’s ethos.

>We have good reason to believe that the attacker, Devon, planned this attack with other fellow coreligionists, and his ambitions to murder AW members far exceeded this tragic event. All Muslims have been isolated and ejected from the group, and appropriate measures taken for the safety of those facing a reasonable threat.

Which is true, I remember when Devon got banned and everyone screaming at him for being a moron converting to Islam. I think he might have been Chechen of Bosnian or something, not sure exactly why he converted. No one supported him doing it.

ironmarch.org/index.php?/topic/7843-official-im-statement-regarding-the-muslim-terror-attack-on-aw/

Beating back the gays isn't really about making them ungay. Just teaching them to fuck off our children.