So, the next Hungarian parliamentary elections are coming (in or before spring 2018)
What does Sup Forums think?
Who should win?
Who are you rooting for?
Do you think Jobbik has grown since the last elections?
Do you think Fidesz should get another four years?
Jobbik has gone full cuck since the last elections, and backpedalled on almost every major issue. In a democracy, you can't win if you are honest, and Jobbik wants to win badly.
Frankly, whoever of them wins, Hungary loses. The only question is the speed of our demise.
I'm not intimate with Hungarian politics. I'm pretty confident Orban is /ourguy/.
Who is the rest? Which ones are following JEW communism?
PM looks like some kind of trendy trouble. And of course, any woman in politics is total JEW cancer.
Why do you think anyone care about the hungarian election or know anything about these people outside of the country? :D
Average Sup Forums user recognize Orbán by his picture, they know about the fence and that's all, how should they answer your questions? :D
And what do you think? When will our demise come?
>Which ones are following JEW communism?
Hard to say, probably Együtt, DK, PM though they're not really part of the race, a new party has formed since, called Momentum, and is gaining Momentum (mainly in the capital though) their main achievement is collecting enough signatures for a refferendum against the 2024 Hungarian Olympics bid, after which Fidesz decided to cancel the bid, without a refferendum.
>Who is the rest?
MSZP was the ruling party from 2004 to 2010, many say they destroyed the country, their leader was Gyurcsany Ferenc, now he has his own party DK. MSZP really fell apart after Fidesz won in 2010
Jobbik is the so called far right party, however, they have been moving center, as they want to take a chunk of Fidesz voters.
The rest are really insignificant, formed mostly from ex MSZP people.
>Why do you think anyone care about the hungarian election or know anything about these people outside of the country? :D
It's mainly the reason I made the thread, so more people would get involved in thinking about it, and to hear their thoughts.
It's a tricky question, because it will be a constant degradation, not a sudden end. 100 years at most, before we become African shithole tier, I'd say.
Do you think there is any hope? Is there any timeline in which Hungary survives?
Hungary survives in all timelines. Hungary is indestructible.
Which ones want to remove kebab?
there is only one campaign that matters
>referendum to elect officials by sortition instead of voting
representative democracy fixed
Anything but MSZP and their cuckgang bascially.
>remove kebab
none really, Jobbik was really right wing a while ago, but since they've went to shit.
Fidesz doesn't want to remove either, only stop the mass influx.
The rest are not really vocal about their immigration policies making me thing, they would discontinue protecting the border, as anti-immigration policies are pretty popular.
>there is only one campaign that matters
>>referendum to elect officials by sortition instead of voting
is that a thing here? I haven't heard about that
>Anything but MSZP and their cuckgang bascially.
A lot of people have the same opinion, really makes me wonder how they still manage to get around 20% of votes
Is it true that jobbik wants pre-trianion borders? How do they want to achieve that ?
no political party is incentivized to champion it obviously. Still, educating the people is the only way forward
It was suggested to KKP, but all their reaction was a lame joke about killing all politicians.
afaik, all referendums are blocked by default anyway
Fidesz will win most likely, considering that Orban will play a very nationalistic campaign next year (and rightfully so, given that 2018 will mark 100 years since the Trianon treaty came into effect). There are many signals already, at least in Romania, that the campaign already started - tensions are getting manufactured between the Romanians and Hungarians by various politicians from both sides and I truly expect them to reach a boiling point next year, when we'll be celebrating our 100-year mark since our unification.
Expect a very aggressive campaign that will focus on the "well-being" of all Hungarians and whatnot. There was a Hungarian minister that made a remark that pretty much said "every Hungarian that was convicted of a crime outside of Hungary can come back to the country and escape the conviction" - and this pretty much tell you everything you want to know regarding the tone of the overall campaign.
>Do you think Fidesz should get another four years?
Doesn't really matter imo, at least when you don't think about immigration - whoever wins will continue to steal, be them pro-european kikes or anti-refugee nationalists. Such is life in this part of the world - voting for the "lesser evil" will plague our systems up until we'll get replaced in a couple of decades due to our falling demographics.
There is no /ourguys/, only proto-kikes or full blown kikes.
>inb4 this threat degenerates into another Balkan shitfest
I think Orbàn should win. I will vote for him. The left-wing opposition could kiss my arsch. Jobbik is a joke, Vona is backstabber. They've money because of Simicska. Personally I don't like Fidesz and Orbàn too much, but I don't want chaos and muslims/niggers here. Jobbik will get 15-17%, Fidesz will get 38-45% left-wing will get 25-27%. The rest of 11-22% will be LMP-Momentum (new parties). But because of the lack of leftist alliance, Fidesz will get the 90% of voting districts.
no, jobbik wants its share of the pie. They might say they want the old borders to achieve that, but they are starting to realize people don't take them seriously with this bs
>Jobbik at 20%
>MSZP is an ex-Soviet party, they're usually turn out to be against migrants etc; not your average Western lefties
Why is Hungary so out-of-touch?
this, fidesz will win because of no real alternatives, turnout will be miserable
The only winning option for the 'opposition' if they formed ALL a technical/shadow alliance and there will be just ONE oppisition candidate in each voting districts.
I agree that the turnout will be histrorical low, about 45-55%.
>Is it true that jobbik wants pre-trianion borders?
Everybody, but lefties want that.
>How do they want to achieve that ?
Great question, no idea. Their current campaign is based on collecting signatures for "EU wages in Hungary" but I have no idea how they want to achieve that either. On their website, they claim the signatures will be enough pressure on EU bureaucrats that it will get the wheels turning, bot seeing as how the 90%+ referendum against immigration didn't get any attention from the EU, I doubt they can do anything about our wages.
>Fidesz will win most likely, considering that Orban will play a very nationalistic campaign next year (and rightfully so, given that 2018 will mark 100 years since the Trianon treaty came into effect).
I thought Fidesz would push the Soros narrative harder, I read something about an other national consultation based solely on Soros.
>Jobbik will get 15-17%
So you don't think Jobbik moving center is doing any good for them? Do you think they can steal Fidesz voters with this? Or will they loose any of their far right supporters?
>not your average Western lefties
Trust me when I tell you that our type of leftists are actually more destructive than the Western socialists - they are only after their personal gain and they would pretty much tell the electorate everything they want to hear in order to steal those precious votes. The ex-commie parties that still run our countries are the ones responsible for everything wrong that has been going around ever since the '89 revolutions - they are the ones that destroyed our industries, they are the ones that have corrupted every aspect of our societies etc.
Sure, they might not be so keen on touching SJW topics, because the general population is kinda conservative - but trust me when I tell you that these jackals will steal every bit of money that they could get their hands on, at the expense of their "fellow" citizens. All under the guise of nationalism and whatnot.
>turnout will be miserable
That's a pattern that shows up when looking at pretty much all Balkan countries - it just translates into the fact that the electorate is sick and tired of all the political parties, with no viable alternative to vote for. I'm actually very interested to see where this will lead us - in a couple of election cycles, the participation rate will fall under 15%, nation-wide. What happens then? Is a democracy viable when less than 15% of the people vote for it? Can they really say that they represent the nation, when most of the people didn't even vote?
It's the exact same thing that happened in Romania last year - PSD won the Parliamentary elections with a score of 30% +/- , yet less than 30% of the population voted. Given that the main opposition party got 20% or so, you do the math on how many people actually voted for them.
>mfw the Mayor of Bucharest got elected by 18% of the electorate
If a world war happens that makes the established world order crumble, and hungary isn't glassed by the end of it, we could grasp the opportunity to get rid of our parasites, while their foreign handlers are too busy saving their own asses.
That's surprising, the Hungarians I've met IRL have been Sup Forums levels of racist, would have figured the politicians had more balls.
>The only winning option for the 'opposition' if they formed ALL a technical/shadow alliance and there will be just ONE oppisition candidate in each voting districts.
nice numbers
Do you think that's even possible? All these power hungry lefties making a team effort? I know they hate Orban more than anyone, but I doubt they could get to a common denominator.
>That's a pattern that shows up when looking at pretty much all Balkan countries - it just translates into the fact that the electorate is sick and tired of all the political parties, with no viable alternative to vote for. I'm actually very interested to see where this will lead us - in a couple of election cycles, the participation rate will fall under 15%, nation-wide. What happens then? Is a democracy viable when less than 15% of the people vote for it? Can they really say that they represent the nation, when most of the people didn't even vote?
really interesting topic. How do you think, we could re-engage the general public in politics, even though new parties come and go pretty much every year?
>If a world war happens that makes the established world order crumble, and hungary isn't glassed by the end of it, we could grasp the opportunity to get rid of our parasites, while their foreign handlers are too busy saving their own asses.
Do you think it would be possible to stay neutral given our geopolitical position? Or would it be better to take sides, as we've done before, just not fuck up this time?
>I thought Fidesz would push the Soros narrative harder, I read something about an other national consultation based solely on Soros.
They will and you're right - they are planning for a nation-wide referendum regarding the plans that Soros has for Europe in terms of forced immigration (literally asking the population if they agree with a Kalergi-like plan). As I said, they will most likely play a very nationalistic campaign that will cater to the emotions of the people - touching subjects as the Trianon, WW2 participation, European islamification and whatnot.
Fidesz will win the election due to the Hungarian diaspora that will massively vote for Orban. The participation rate might be low in Hungary itself, but the mobilization for the diaspora will be huge - you can already see it in Romania at least, and I presume it's the same in the neighboring countries.
My prediction is that Fidesz will win, MSZP will loose a lot of votes but those wil be redistributed in the smaller parties like PM, Együtt, DK.
Jobbik is a strange thing right now. Clearly this new agenda is not really popular with the Jobbik supporters, it's leaning towards the left. This should really piss off some of their supporter, and they'll have a choice to vote for Fidesz the only viable alternative, or just not even go to vote.
So Jobbik I think will be the largest party in the opposition. But this Vona guy is just spewing shit. This wage union crap is totally impracticable, like the common currency in the EU. Look at Greece for example.
>figured the politicians had more balls.
Jobbik formed from the remains of the "Magyar Gárda" (think of the KKK in a good sense) but with that mentality they could barely go over 10% that's why they're moving center.
And remember the shit we got for building the fence? Fidesz is still being attacked for it, by the EU, politically, and it's hard to sustain these views with all the SJW shit going on in the world. Also we are a small country, small GDP, if we really get under the nose (((Brussels))) they can easily cause trouble here.
Our current political elite is too much connected to the West. I think they wouldn't hesitate much to drag us into a war. In that case, they'd have to be immediately removed from power, ideally by the combined force of the people and the armed forces. We'd have nothing to gain from joining such a bloodshed of global scale, but we could lose everything.
Of course, if Hungary is directly attacked by someone, and the case of open agression is abdundantly clear (so not just an attack that may or may not be a false flag), then the situation would be entirely different.
Honesly this is the truth, I will still vote for Orbán cause of his ismmigrant policy tho
>redistributed in the smaller parties like PM, Együtt, DK.
Do you think these parties will form a coalition?
>This wage union crap is totally impracticable, like the common currency in the EU.
True, but I'm guessing it does catch the imagination of the masses, as this issue has been a large contribution to our workforce leaving.
>> PSD won the Parliamentary elections with a score of 30% +/- , yet less than 30% of the population voted.
Your math is off: 30% of the voters, not 30% of the total population of voters and non-voters? Possible in a multi-party election (more than two).
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>those number
not at all representative, the best course of action is to limit the gov power as much as possible
It's possible if they will form a 'don't ask don't tell' shadow alliance, I mean they will not attack each other but they'll not support each other, meanwhile there will be just ONE opposition canditate in every voting district. It's sounds like crazy, but everything could be happen.
>Fidesz will win due to Hungarian diaspora
They are not a large group, I mean the voter diaspora, maximum 200.000. people. Hungarian people in Romania, Slovakia etc. don't give a shit about the Motherland's internal politics.
Fidesz will win because of the weak and fragmented opposition and the threat of the mass influx of muslims/niggers.
>really interesting topic. How do you think, we could re-engage the general public in politics, even though new parties come and go pretty much every year?
My personal, honest opinion is that we can't. The electorate is fed up with pseudo-politicians that promise the world to them, only to shit on their promises the moment they win the elections. Be them right-winged of left-winged, they always follow the same god damn pattern - promise something, get voted in, start stealing as much as you can until the next cycle. Rinse and repeat from 89' up until now and you pretty much get where the frustration is coming from - and the fact that nobody is interested in politics anymore.
I honestly think that we'll have another two or three election cycles and that's it - the participation rate will most likely fall under 15%, which will eventually lead to the realization that democracy is not viable for the country. People will get more and more frustrated, social turmoil will reach a tipping point and the next logical step would be a destruction of the state as we know it. Truth be told, we're so close to a "fascist" take over, it's not even funny anymore - the stones are in place, there's only need for a catalyst to start everything up.
tl;dr the falling participation rate will eventually lead to the realization that democracies do not work, which in turn will lead to a complete fracture of the state - a fracture that will make a take over, be it left winged or right winged, very possible.
>they'd have to be immediately removed from power, ideally by the combined force of the people and the armed forces.
If they decide to drag us into a war, I think they would prime the mind of the people with propaganda beforehand, so support for joining a war would be high(er).
>We'd have nothing to gain from joining such a bloodshed of global scale, but we could lose everything.
true
>limit the gov power as much as possible
Wouldn't that only lead to people being controlled by the media, thus the highest bidder?
>Fidesz will win the election due to the Hungarian diaspora that will massively vote for Orban.
when you say 'win' do you mean they will achieve the 66% super majority?
Did the other parties say anything about the fence?
>Vona "just ask the EU for money per hour" Gábor
Traveling in Hungary. It's pretty nice. Budapest is a first-world city. Beautiful to see the leftist party have so few seats.
>really makes me wonder how they still manage to get around 20% of votes
non-Europeans and single women
most of them keep quiet about it, I'm guessing because of two reasons:
1. they don't want to seem as Fidesz-friendly
2. they're against it, but admitting it would be suicidal for them
>Traveling in Hungary. It's pretty nice. Budapest is a first-world city. Beautiful to see the leftist party have so few seats.
Glad you like it.
>Wouldn't that only lead to people being controlled by the media, thus the highest bidder?
absolutely not, the msm is not in control despite the picture it tries to paint. E.g. Hillary had it in the bag or the whole migrant shilling (especially in Hungary). People can think for themselves just fine
>really makes me wonder how they still manage to get around 20% of votes
Old fucks who had a prime time in the communist era
> Do you think these parties will form a coalition?
Well I don't think so... All the left does is just arguing eachother. MSZP doesn't want anything to do with Gyurcsány, because he was responsible for the fall of MSZP. This Gyurcsány fellow is really unwanted in politics, but somehow he thinks that he has to stay in the foreground (imo this isn't a good idea for the left).
Együtt & PM are just drops in the ocean, an they wouldn't do any difference imo.
LMP is interesting, I actually don't know what they want. All they do is just blame the current government for everything. Well everyone in the oppositiond does this to be honest. LMP I think would agree to be part of a coalition.
Jobbik supporters won't agree with any coalition with the left, unless the party can steal some voters from the left parties.
So none of the opposing parties can make a viable alternative.
They can't even agree in the most basic things.
So no, I don't think there will be any surprise in this regard, but time will tell
>absolutely not, the msm is not in control despite the picture it tries to paint. E.g. Hillary had it in the bag
ofc, how could I forget
Lol we're not America. The voter base of MSZP are old communists, I mean real communists with age 65+. They die out, 4 yrs results show that. There are no significant migrant group here. And even single women, especially the older ones are the buggest "racist" and anti-muslims :) our society not similar to the US. There are no many sjws and cultural-marxist here.
What about this new "Momentum" stuff? I feel they really appeal to the younger age group (think university students) in Budapest, but I doubt anyone outside of the capital would vote for them. Will they become the next single-seat party?
My math was indeed off, here are the official numbers:
Total participation rate, nation-wide: 38%
PSD (socialists) turn-out: 45%
PNL (liberals) turn-out: 20%
USR (SJW liberals) turn-out: 9%
UDMR (magyars) turn-out: 6%
PMP (center-right) turn-out: 5%
Literally all polls show that the population is not voting as a form of protest - the only ones that are getting mobilized massively are the people that live on social-welfare, and those are usually old people that have always voted PSD due to gibs. This pattern will continue to manifest itself in the up-coming elections, mainly because we literally have no opposition parties.
You're kinda wrong - at least when looking at Romania, for that matter. Orban has given most Hungarian/Szekler diaspora in Romania dual-citizenship so that they can vote in the up-coming election cycle.
>“Dual citizenship has allowed several hundred thousand Hungarians to officially become part of the Hungarian nation,” Orbán wrote in a July letter sent to ethnic Hungarians living in neighboring countries.
>Over the summer, billboards sponsored by a local chapter of the Democratic Alliance of Hungarians in Romania (UDMR) party appeared in Romania’s Transylvania region, calling for Hungarians to register to vote. Another local branch announced in late July that it was launching a phone campaign to encourage local Hungarian citizens to register.
What are the numbers, you may ask?
>The Hungarian government estimates that by November the number of new citizens — added since a 2010 expansion of citizenship rights to ethnic Hungarians in neighboring countries— will reach 1 million.
1 million diaspora votes will make the crucial difference next year, trust me. The same thing happened during our Presidential election, when Iohannis was literally elected by the Romanian diaspora, who had a massive participation rate and who made the final, decisive difference in the last round.
this
this too
Old communists die hard
>Orban has given most Hungarian/Szekler diaspora in Romania dual-citizenship so that they can vote in the up-coming election cycle.
Didn't this happen before the 2014 elections? Fidesz lost a lot since 2010. (They don't have the super majority anymore making changes to the constitution extremely hard, as most of the ideas of Fidesz are opposed by everyone else, even when it doesn't align with their ideology. See Jobbik vote when Fidesz wanted to add security measures to the constitution against immigration)
Well they appeared from nowhere, fully organized... That really makes me think, what is behind the courtains...
To be honest, they're just like little kids, up to no good.
They invade newspapers, poster them with their "very inspiring" words. And say everything is shit, like the political left. That the system is corrupt, and the sun won't even shine in the next morning.
I can't take them seriously.
They just wanted to be a movement, not really be responsible for anything, but start a change in the peoples mind, but now there are talks about forming a party.
Ok. They are young, but I don't really see how they could be a better alternative, than Fidesz.
Don't get me wrong, I would instantly vote for a better alternative instead of Fidesz. But there are none.
All the new/old opposing parties just do is just bash the government for everything. They're not being supportive, they're not consturctive.
And people are fed up with this kindergarden like language. Me too.
So I don't think that Momentum could be a major force. But still... Time will tell...
>Total participation rate, nation-wide: 38%
>democracy is totally not a sham, goy
>when you say 'win' do you mean they will achieve the 66% super majority?
Depends on the internal participation rate and on how many diaspora fags will indeed show up to vote. I'd say that a super majority is hard to get, thought - it might happen only due to external pressure (more terrorist attacks, EU going more ballistic regarding the refugee quotas, Romanian-Hungarian ethnic conflicts etc). Nonetheless, Fidesz has it in the bag if they play it safe and cool.
>the best course of action is to limit the gov power as much as possible
kek. Our governments literally ignored two consecutive referendums that had a participation rate of over 55%, do you actually think something can limit the gov power? One of the referendums was actually about that - reducing the numbers of MPs from 600 to 300 (which would have massively reduced the administrative costs/year) - it was completely swept under the rug and nobody heard about it ever again (it's been close to 10 years since the referendum).
In a country where the biggest political party (PSD) and the Government is being run by a man that has been officially convicted several times for corruption or voting manipulation, there is no solution. Half or more of our MPs have been previously convicted/sentenced to prison and the other half are protecting the rest with super-immunity deals (in order to get prosecuted, an MP has to get his immunity revoked in a Parliamentary vote).
>Momentum
>younger generations
>university students
First of all, university students are apolitical af. They wouldn't even vote. Most of them are brainwashed by 444 and its "minden szar itt, el kell húzni" - 'you should immigrate to west because everything is fucked up here' - agenda.
Momentum is just popular within the Körút, (hipster districts of Budapest) they will get 10-15% in Budapest but 2-3% in countryside. They should ally with LMP in this case, they could get 10-12% nationwide then.
>Most of them are brainwashed by 444 and its "minden szar itt, el kell húzni" - 'you should immigrate to west because everything is fucked up here' - agenda.
I think, that the liberal media brainwashing the younger generations might be a really big problem in the future (ofc only if they decide to stay, come to think of it, it's a really nice natural selection going on). Will it bring the North America type SJW ideology to our country?
It's a good question. I live in BP and every summer there are more and more sjw style young folks here. They're studying/working in West and bring sjw/liberal bullshit here. I hope they'll stay out. Yeah it's kinda a natural selection, but the leftwing media (444, she.hu ! , cosmopolitan, index) brainwash as many young folks as they can. I don't like that.
>I don't like that.
what can we do about it? Do you think right win alternatives (888, origo, magyaridok) are viable opposition to these?
We should minimize the influence of the leftwing media with laws, and strong 'controls' (((they))) have to be feel 'unsafe' themselves. This 888.hu and origo.hu stuff are not so for younger ones, but Petőfi ràdió, Volt festival etc. are good platforms to push patriotism toward the younger generations, I mean softly, not as a propagandist.
They had a good start among lefties by killing the Olympic tender, but since that failed every single move they made and gained negative reputation. Leftist media constantly praised them as the new saviors, now don't even mention them anymore.
Political orientation of a country can't be permanent, it's more like pendulum. Sooner or later Fidesz will loose an election and all we can do is pray that the new government wont be a EU puppet immigration supporting SJW regressive cunt
>Political orientation of a country can't be permanent, it's more like pendulum. Sooner or later Fidesz will loose an election and all we can do is pray that the new government wont be a EU puppet immigration supporting SJW regressive cunt
If a new party would come along, who's not stupid like the SJW parties, how could they gain a critical mass of voters, without coming off as Fidesz #2?
In other words, how could a Fidesz successor party be born? And what would it be like?
it is what needs to be done though, if you can't cure the disease at least try to contain it
Is there a candidate who intend to reestablish the rightfulish pre-trianon borders?
Jobbik could have fulfill this role, but Vona fucked up. His impatience and power hunger alienated big part of their voter base and turned the party into a left leaning EU puppet shithole.
They could have been the other side of the pendulum for 4 or 8 years then Fidesz could have come back again. But now in 2022 or 2026 we will have a leftist government for sure. Hopefully it's enough time for Europe to wake up and change the course, or else we will be turned into a faithful servant of Brussel and later a vassal of the USE (united states of europe)
widespread systematic corruption that has been going rampant and unchecked cannot be contained, sadly. As I've said before, I do think that the only solution for all of this would be to let the democratic process go forward - that way, the participation rate will surely drop below 15% two or three election cycles from now, which in turn will pave the way for a forceful take-over.
stop believing the memes, user. Fidesz will most likely play the nationalistic card next year, but any candidate that would propose such a thing wouldn't have a chance in a democratic election. Believe it or not but most Hungarians are pro-EU, such as the rest of the Balkan population (mainly due to non-refundable EU gibs and free travel between EU countries).
>united emirates
ftfy
vona was never up to task of disrupting politics, in general no career politician is. You can't the system from within, the incentives are not aligned
Well, it's a deeply buried whish for every people with nationalistic feelings, aka majority of hungarians. But it's not as big topic as Romanians like to represent it.
It's not a daily talking point, no one campaigning for it openly, almost everyone knows it never will happen (unless something fucking drastically changes in Europe), trianon nutjobs are ridiculed etc...
Jobbik used to talk about it once a year, but since that they went full libtard.
100% this
>But it's not as big topic as Romanians like to represent it.
Most Romanians don't fucking care, imo. The ones that are on Sup Forums are most likely baiting for butthurt Hungarians when talking about Trianon, but trust me when I tell you that the general population does not give a shit. Sure, we get triggered once or twice a year when something ethnic-related happens in Covasna or Harghita, but the general feeling is that of not giving a fuck. I wouldn't be surprised if most Romanians didn't even know what the Trianon treaty actually is, given the education that they receive in schools.
Patriotism and nationalism are kinda of a stigma in Romania, mainly because most people associate it with communism (due to Ceausescu's type of nationalism communism). People pretend to care about the country only on the 1st of December (national day) and that's pretty much all - the rest are stuck in an endless circle-jerk of "how bad my country is" and "i cannot wait to move out to the West". If you want to think of it in terms of Hearts of Iron IV, our national unity is below 30% I'd say.
the trend will not go on forever, numbers will stabilize at some point.
Corruption is product of the current system and inherent to it, small changes can limit and eliminate it in the long run.
I would have unironically voted for Jobbik 3 years ago.
Then they went full cuck holy shit. How could you fuck up so badly my god it hurts.
Even the MKKP is full of libs nowadays, so no real joke option either.
I'm quite apathethic and might just vote for the literal commies if they can be arsed to participate.
>The voter base of MSZP are old communists, I mean real communists with age 65+. They die out, 4 yrs results show that.
Plenty of younger people vote for them too. I still remember a conversation with one of my friends in high school, he said he voted for MSZP because Orbán is a gypsy.
The reason their support dried up was because Gyurcsány openly admitted that they were stealing and lying and nothing else for 8 years.
>The reason their support dried up was because Gyurcsány openly admitted that they were stealing and lying and nothing else for 8 years.
interesting how many people can't even see it when it's put straight in their face
>Is there a candidate who intend to reestablish the rightfulish pre-trianon borders?
One always comes and goes. Last time it was Jobbik before they went full cuck, before that it was MIÉP (anyone even remember them?).
But re-establishing pre-trianon borders would be impossible in the international climate. Last time we could do a revision it took Hitler backing us up.
Even if we had some such shit like Merkel lobbying to give us back some borders (in return of opening our borders), it would meet with extreme opposition and destroy our relationship with practically all of our neighbour countries.
Yeah but like you said, it's a choice between corrupt & more corrupt candidates, so it's not that surprising that they still get votes. People might just vote them just to oppose Fidesz.
why bother with voting then? even if your vote with 'fasz' or whatever, you are counted in the turnout, which is needed to reach a certain threshold
Elect Soros, for the lols
>even if your vote with 'fasz' or whatever, you are counted in the turnout, which is needed to reach a certain threshold
I guess that could be a legit reason for some to vote.
that literally means 'I can't make up my mind, but approve the majority of the candidates and I will indicate this with a dick'
in some twisted way, yes, but you can just err your vote if you want to bump the turnout
I feel like Hungarian politics is just as much of a fucking joke as English / Western.
Aren't they all suck jewish cock? The Soros thing, while true, seems to be a facade as well.
Orbán sells shit to Jews, the country can be bought up by anyone who has enough money, no? At least that's what I heard.
Lot and lot of gypsies having more retarded kids, becoming a substantial amount of the population.
Jobbik is a piece of shite, wusses as some said, MSZP is jew-backed as well (look at Gyurcsány and his family at least).
Maybe Orbán is the only viable option, but I think people lost faith in him as well.
How hard is it to start a natsoc party for the actual Hungarian people?
read and >How hard is it to start a natsoc party for the actual Hungarian people?
Hard, considering that most of the population is pro-democracy and pro-EU (non-refundable gibs, free movement across the EU, better job prospects outside of the country etc).
>Lot and lot of gypsies having more retarded kids, becoming a substantial amount of the population.
this is true, but Fidesz made changes to the gibbs system, so that if your child doesn't attend school, you don't get benefits, and we all know whose children don't go to school...
> so that if your child doesn't attend school
kek, isn't school mandatory up until the 10th or 11th grade? Here you literally can't keep you kid at home, even if you want to - you might be passable for a criminal charge if you do so, as the law clearly stipulates that a child's education is compulsory up until high school.
>kek, isn't school mandatory up until the 10th or 11th grade?
yes it is, but it has been made much stricter. Even if you skip one class, It's recorded, and once you pass a given limit, you're fucked (your parent's are)
I never said to kill democracy, even though it is retarded. It can be molded into a better one though.
I do understand your points though, people seek better and easier life (well the welfare state gave us too much comfort, in the western sphere to be frank).
Unfortunately I do agree with your previous posts. The Transylvanian thing is while annoying as it is, the manufactured bullshit is not at all needed. Szeklers will just be more nationalistic, Romanians too, thus forcing everyone to deepen the hatred, which is not really needed.
True, heard that as well. Last I checked the stats, 80% of gyppo spawn finish primary school, 20% never do. Have no data on later schools though. Have only met one gypsy who was college educated, but that's extremely rare.
I do not wish to go into the Transylvanian issue because both sides have truths to themselves. I spoke to Romanian colleagues about this as well.
The post-communist jews and communists you stated are indeed a huge fucking problem. What I fear is another "revolution" such in the early 1900's by the jews. No wonder everyone fucking hated and still hates them.
What future do you, and anons of Hungary see for Eastern Europe in the next 10-20-50 years?
School only mandatory until your 16th birthday. The the gyppos go and steal our national found(if any goes working).
franz ferdinand should we a good choice
>but that's extremely rare.
And even funny considering that the gippo's usually have free admissions in Universities (doesn't matter what grade they get in the Baccalaureate) and that they usually don't have to pay any tuition fees whatsoever - hurr durr minority well-being social equality bullshit.
>What future do you, and anons of Hungary see for Eastern Europe in the next 10-20-50 years?
No future whatsoever. The demographics are falling to the ground (most projections show that by 2050 there will be less than 13 million Romanians - and out of those less than 3-4 million will have pay taxes, which in turn will render the retirement allowance unsustainable); our education system is in shambles and the promotion rate for high-school goes down year by year, while the Ministers of Education are being changed three or four times a year; political instability is at an all times high; political representation is almost null, given that most people protest by not voting at all (see me previous posts regarding the matter) etc. Most of these things can be seen all across the Balkans, it's not just a Romanian flick.
In 50 years Romanians and Hungarians will be replaced by other nations and our countries will virtually cease to exist. There will be huge diaspora groups formed by fleeing citizens and that's pretty much all. The prospects of actually still being here, on these lands, in the future are so grim that I can't for the love of it find a possible solution for the situation that we've found ourselves into.
So I guess just like in our country the more EU elites hit at the government the more popular it becomes ensuring Orban's victory.
Proof that there's no such thing as European identity.
Yeah, gyppos being indian dalits, gives them a good 80-90 IQ on average. Probably that is the main factor decreasing the country averages in the eastern block.
No wonder 1.2 replacement rate goes nowhere, virtually the same all over the Balkans as you have stated yourself. I propose, the only solution would be extreme nationalism and promoting childbirth, destroying western liberal influence as much as possible. But that is a huge, huge undertaking, everyone would be your enemy, even your own people.
The problem is that you are unable to change a system until the majority of the people cannot meet their daily necessities, like bread, water etc.
Then (as they did) you can use a revolution to change the system. The "democratic" way scarce succeeds.
Also, keep in mind that if we become diaspora like the kikes, we will be killed off en masse. Blacks and arabs are not about diaspora people, more into genocide and mass killings.
Great fucking future, thousands of years of history lost. By looking out the window and going around the UK, Germany, I doubt the Brits and Western Eu folk will last even that long.
Even in 10 years, London will be Chicago 2.0.
on the contrary, v4 strong, while the west is busy flushing itself down the toilet we are much better positioned going forward