Dear Amerilards tell me the difference between communism and socialism. I want to see if you can manage it

Dear Amerilards tell me the difference between communism and socialism. I want to see if you can manage it.

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Socialism is communism-lite. Before Marx, it was distinct, but now it's just a crypto-commie buzzword.

I'm gay.

no difference party elite get everything. theoretically the people get basic services. human nature doesn't seem to allow pure cooperation. speaking of equality...you are ugly aren't you?

Only thing you need to know is that they both have elites raping their countries so bad that they never innovate shit.
>Venezuela
>China
choose

Socialism is communism for cowards

pathetic attempts at understanding.
You probably think Bernie channels Karl Marx.
>China
Communist
Prove you know what socialism is/

Definitions change over time. Lenin, the founder of Marxism-Leninism, described socialism as a stepping stone to the stateless, classless, imaginary utopia called communism -- socialism was the transitional "dictatorship of the proletariat"

Of course, these weasel words just encourage communists to claim that communism has "never been tried" because the concept of a dictatorship withering away (as Engels claimed) has never actually happened.

>memeflag commie OP
saged immediately

Communism is when the Jews take over fast and violently and socialism is when the Jews have to take over slowly and then violently.

>Dear Amerilards tell me the difference between communism and socialism. I want to see if you can manage it.
One is shit. The other is diarrhea. I'll let you decide which is which though, you faggot Bolshevik.

The only thing I need to know is that degeneracy shall be met with death.

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Trash. Look at all that junk on the shelves she thinks is cool.

Neither works due to the people or the leadership end up getting controlled by the 7 deadly sins and it turns into a feud and the people try to rise up and the gov bashes them down and it gets ugly and people die.

That is what happens with every fucken Marxist country.

And no, China isn't communist. That guy who called it that is stupid. Communism died their even before Mao died.

But China does have a lot of the social systems that millennials want to see in government.

They have a healthcare system that everyone things is wonderful. But it's not wonderful when they are running low on organs for transplants or scientific advances and someone accidentally hits someone with a car so they get 10 years in jail and they have no children so the Chinese government makes them vanish and then the healthcare system magically has a heart, blood, kidneys, lungs and other shit to fund their healtcare system that the richer people benefit from the most.

Don't you just love socialized healthcare? I mean civilian organ harvesting?

Enlighten me, OP.
I may have studied the subject as a focus in my degree.
>Inb4 you Google it

Socialism is capitalism with forced wealth redistribution. Communism is a planned central economy where everyone starves to death.

Socialism eventually leads to communism because equality is impossible.

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Socialism is redistribution of wealth to all citizens where the means of production are under significant govt oversight atleast. System is anchored and ran by said govt.

Communism is equal redistribution of wealth where the people have the means of production. There is no enforcing governmental body but govt still may exist in hippy dippy limbo, instead all citizens participate willingly and entirely. see: fantasy, Star Trek, ramblings of drop outs and dregs

Same except nat socialist do not deny evolution and retain some of capitalism's competitive systems both of which are synergistic.
>Done

different flags

What a smug bitch. I don't even play video games and I'd fuck the jew off her face.

Who cares, they're two shits from the same asshole.

I know you are scum and the day of the rope is near.

communism is for faggots

/thread

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

there is no difference, it is theft and dysgenics

Socialism is the step to Communism.
Everyone knows this.
You're a twenty-year-old trying to sound cool.
Even when people know what socialism is you'll just do the normal Commie tactic of weaseling your way out of it with some irrelevant technicality that almost makes it sound like you know something that invalidates what you and everyone else already knows.
When the time comes you will be lined up and shot like the rest.
I hope the footage is uploaded to liveleak.

>I studied politics
gas yourself

In communism, a powerful states controls all resources, coordinates labor, and provides goods and services to citizens first "as needed", with leftovers being evenly distributed.
In socialism, the people collectively own all the industries and resources, with goods and services being distributed amongst themselves, and a state, if it exists at all, serving functions that only it can, such as peacekeeping and defense.

However, True Socialism is literally impossible. You cannot compel people to relinquish the entirety of their resources to a collective without force. So practically, all socialism is actually communism. And while the idea of acompletely dominant nannystate might appeal to some, in practice productivity and inovation drop like a stone, as nobody is actually rewarded for trying, and inorganic state market controls result in shortages of even basic goods due to inelasticity.

She doesn't even eat a piece of popcorn.

Socialism is the lie idiots believe in order to usher communists to power. Then you idiots are executed.

Easy they are both different/alternate spelling for "asshole stretching"

Communism is total government control of industrial capital. The government controls all means of production.

Communism always fails since big government sucks at everything. Having all forms of industry/agriculture controlled by a committee never works. It always suffers from horrible inefficiencies. Why strive to make a better product or be more efficient at producing a product? You won't profit from that effort at all. Therefore every product sucks. Farm production decreases, quality of goods suffer, there tend to be shortages and bread lines etc. Innovation is almost totally prevented. An entrepreneur or inventor has a huge barrier in front of them when it comes to bringing their idea to fruition.

Socialism is more about redistribution of wealth. Socialism tends to have very high tax rates but also a high amount of social programs and benefits.

Both are absolutely horrible ideas and always fail in the long run. The only countries that have had even remotely successful socialism are the nordic countries which are the most white places on Earth. Leftists believe these are the areas that are in the most need of multiculturalism and total social overhaul. Ironic... The supposed poster childs of socialism are also the places leftists think are in the most need of social reform. 3rd world trash that do not contribute to the system are flooding in and putting incredible strain on the system. It will fail.

However, Socialism and Communism usually go hand in hand. You never see 100% of one and none of the other. That's why people can't tell them apart.

Socialism is slavery

Communism is an illusion and the carrot on the because the Proletariat representatives in government will never cease their power/perks, thus fucking over their fellow "workers"

>carrot on the
Sorry meant carrot on the stick

It depends on what context you're referring to.

In the Marxian sense, socialism is a preliminary stage of communism (or to communism). It aims for a "dictatorship of the proletariat", where the means of production are controlled collectively, as opposed to privately.

In other contexts, "socialism" can mean a number of things. Oswald Spengler's Prussian Socialism, for example, has virtually nothing in common with Marx's ideology. The same applies to National Socialism.

When making a thread like this in future, maybe specify the context so I (we) can better answer your question.

The speed at which the bodies find their way into a mass grave.

your the fucking moron
China - communism
Venezuela - socialist
Both shit holes bled dry by elites

There is no difference. Communism, socialism, Marxism, postmodernism, egalitarianism, equity, social justice, pretty much anything with social at the beginning of it. These words are all really from the same ideological trash can. They're all attempts to tackle a particular issue by cutting off the legs of the competent and feeding them to the incompetent in the hopes of reaching some picture perfect utopian dream of equality.

And
They
Do
Not
Work
Ever

You ever hear someone try to defend one of these things even a little, you punch them right in the cunt. They'll have a cunt, because actual men don't believe this kind of trite.

Communism is a state in which the government magically ceases to exist and all the people work together to support each other. In reality, communism is a totalitarian government that murders millions of its people to stay in power and never, ever attempts to weaken itself much less cease to exist.

Socialism is a system of government where corporations are owned by the government instead of the people so they are sorely lacking in anything resembling efficiency and are crippled by government bureaucracy, and where people are provided for by the government ignoring the fact that only the individual can best meet that individual's needs.

Basically, they are both retarded and anyone supporting either has a severe brain problem.

Socialism = state owned means of production and doesn't go beyond that

Communism = state owned means of production at first, then the state gradually withers away into a stateless society. Theoretically supposed to be a global revolution

Hey it is a total coincidence that Hugo Chavez's family are now billionaires. They earned it fair and square. Who cares if the rest of the country is eating dog to not starve to death while the nation sits on a larger oil reserve than Saudi Arabia but is too crippled by bureaucratic red tape to simply pump it out of the ground and sell it. Socialism will work next time, I promise! Venezuela wasn't real socialism.

China is communist in name only.

In practice, China is probably one of the most capitalistic countries in the world, even more so than America. Don't let the quasi-communist authoritarianism fool you.

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The question is moot. Both are failures. No need to discuss.

Socialism is he government control of certain key industries or businesses.

Communism is a state and economic policy in which the government possesses all political and economic control, usually with the intent that such power gradually falters over time and an ideal society for the working class develops.

Ironically, in Russia, communism has become more or less synonymous with patriotism/nationalism. The majority of the modern Communist party's voters are actually elderly, voting for the communist party in a similar way to how elderly people in the West vote for conservative parties. Both want a society similar to the one they grew up in.

Capitalistic in that they make want to generate profit and there is a growing middle class (as compared to years prior). But economically no, its a one party system where many sectors are heavily propped up by the government. See the steel surplus, factory cities, empty residential blocks

What you are mistaking is that they are libertarian in the sense that they allow Laissez-faire practices to further their goals. They view citizens as natural resources and modern peasants, and corporations are given ample legal and ethical legroom to succeed (and maybe with some capital aid).

>socialism


State controls means of production
>communism
Somehow workers control means of production and there is no state.

>its a one party system where many sectors are heavily propped up by the government. See the steel surplus, factory cities, empty residential blocks
That doesn't make it socialist/communist.

It's state capitalism, not a dictatorship of the proletariat.

>vSomehow workers control means of production and there is no state
That is the false promise anyways. It always ends up with a totally bloated and all encompassing state authoritarian state.

Didnt say it was socialist. Its absolutely authoritive regime in between, but hardly capitalistic because the state directly controls the means of productions of multiple prominent sectors

Capitalism is about the market deciding, not a bureaucracy of chinks funded by taxes. It shares traits of both, however it may be closer akin to socialism in that all profits help grow the national government, trickling down to improving citizen living standards overall in a form of redistribution. furthermore, there are mandates that all citizens should find work (i.e. 99% of time for the state), even if that means you become a literal steet washer

one of them still exists for some reason
the other never has and never will.

So state capitalism. . .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

FPBP

Does ope' understand the difference between National and Global? it's a very important distinction in politics, socio-economic structures, government and welfare.

Socialism is an economic policy.
Communism is an ideology with both economic and political reservations.

Socialists and Social Democrats are aiming to make their economies move toward communism

Atleast read Wikipedia

uhh communism theoretically does not allow private property, socialism does?

we have 150 years of economic data by now on all the isms except for the juvenile libertarianism fantasy so why it should be so hard to accept New Deal Capitalism is beyond me

Comunism is Atlantis, Socialism is the boat of retarded archeologists and conspiracy theorists trying to find it.

Sure, Atlantis has never been found. Maybe because as it turns out it's just some work of fiction about some sort of utopia.

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pretty good

we, here in the West specifically, live under global Communism, where global Socialism is a financial tool used to remove money from Western pockets, to be used for "projects" abroad.

Difference? Who fucking cares. Kys

Why don't you tell us then enlightened one.

>Socialism=Death and hunger
>communism=death and hunger

No not much difference I guess.

None , that is why the soviet union was the union of socialist republics.
Socialism means the collectivization of the means of productions like in venezuela or the soviet union.

But the fucking fabian commies have been trying to rebrand the name socialism to hijack social democrat success so they say places like france , germany , or the nordic countries are socialist.
(BEFORE 1989 THEY CALLED SOCIAL DEMOCRATS CLASS TRAITORS)

So there is no difference between socialism and communism , there is only difference between the two and social democracy but that is another matter.

this guy got it right
Socialism is always the stage before for blown commie.

>this

saved for the retarded leftists I know

Late-stage vs early-stage brain damage

Socialism = Hillary Clinton

Communism = Bernie Sanders

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Socialism is the umbrella term for a number of different modes of thought, and will be applied very liberally to ideas that might not follow what the definition to what I'm about to post:
Socialism is the political philosophy/ideology whatever you wanna call it of the transitional state as capital is redistributed and communism is slowly introduced. Once the state itself then is also abolished, you have achieved your stateless, moneyless, classless society free of hierarchical oppression that is Communism. This is if you're going by what Marx has said.

Same as HIV and AIDS

>that negro

>Socialism = state owned means of production and doesn't go beyond that
What limits the state and the powers that be from going further? From your explanation, they are one in the same. They are both oligarchies that fuck the people and control all aspects of the state, and society.

I don't grant requests to commie Jew faggots.

instead, go fuck yourself, OP

Socialism is when the bull comes inside your with and communism is when he nuts in your arse.

they're both the same shitty sage

Socialism is the economic idea/ideology, communism is the blending of the economic ideology with the political belief of totalitarianism and the whole Marxist shebang.

If I'm wrong correct me.

who is this woman? you're supposed to look happy for this meme not deranged

They are basically the same except in one men fuck trannys and in the other the government fucks everyone

One is the end goal of Fascism and the other doesn't work.

communism = govt controls everything and decides what people do/get.
socialism = capitalism NOW WITH EXTRA GIBS