Educate me Sup Forums, what's wrong with Obamacare? Isn't free healthcare a good thing?

Educate me Sup Forums, what's wrong with Obamacare? Isn't free healthcare a good thing?

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I'm npot educated on this topic either, I'm going to stalk this thread.

It's not free. It's more expensive than ever.

really meaningful topic/thread OP. I can't wait for some good responses to your stupid theory.

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the individual mandate. remove that and I couldn't care less.

Why? What happened?

Thanks.

I'm a guy who doesn't have insurance.

it's named after a literal nigger.

I would say the biggest thing is that it's not healthcare. If you have to use it, there are three tiers, bronze, silver, and gold. Basically each tier has an increased level of coverage, with a higher premium and a lower deductible than the previous tier. Someone earning less than $24,000 would qualify for a tax break (read, discount) of around $170 per month. So you could theoretically find a bronze tier plan that costs around $170 and combined with your tax break, would be "free". That's basically what most of the new people that have signed up for Obamacare have. The problem with this, is the deductibles are outrageously high, like $6000 - $10000. A deductible that is this high is basically not insurance at all.
Note: Obamas big claim that so many more people are covered under the affordable care act basically boils down to the fact that it was dead easy to sign up. Go to gov website, choose a plan, enter your ID info, and it's done. When you see claims like "22 Million less people would be covered under the GOP plan", this is purely taking into account the people who wouldn't sign up, because it's a pain in the ass. That's it. Not because they don't qualify.

>what's wrong with Obamacare?
Pic related.

>Isn't free healthcare a good thing?
>free
"There is no such thing as a free lunch"

This is fucking news to me, how the fuck did this get passed anyway and what was the predecessor to this? Was it any better or reliable? or even affordable at that matter.

>free
you need to have at least graduated from high school before you start posting here.
and before you bring it up we don't care that you're white too. being white is no guarantee of superior neurology. maybe your mom or grandma interbred with a non-white animal, we don't know, but the point is that you're just not bright enough to be posting here (despite being white enough.)

>free

mean

Government mandate = redistribution from young to the wealthiest Americans

The government is literally making young poor people subsidize the poor decisions of boomers. Like the boomers haven't had enough money thrown at their generation.

Fuck that nigger

>free
Fucking Obamacare forced insurance companies to cover those with pre-existing conditions. This in turn caused those insurance companies to reduce coverage, increase plan prices, or just completely drop plans for everyone.
Those of us who are healthy suffer the most since we're basically forced to pay extra for sick people's healthcare. They even threatened to impose a penalty on our tax returns if we DON'T have insurance to ensure we don't just simply refuse insurance to avoid the extra costs (since the healthy don't need to go to the doctor too much anyways).

>preexisting conditions
If you have a preexisting condition you don't need insurance. You need a payment plan. But, Obamacare penalizes payment plans and HSA's.

Health care costs a bunch. I'm paying almost 500 Euros per month for health insurance, as I'm required to by law. It's like a tax.
We also have state regulated fixed prices for medical services. But the doctor may also charge you extra, it's your choice to pick a different doctor then.

Having healthcare did feel pretty good though when I had my cancer operation. Would have cost thousands of Euros, but I didn't have to pay except for the over the counter pain meds afterwards.

Nothing is free. If you want the government to give you something you have to pay them first.

Then just like a Nigerian the government gives you the product above market.

I have a free healthcare. And Ive got my university degree for free too. Capitalism just suck, get over it

It's the profiteering of every American's health!
Can't pay. Go Away!

well if you like paying for unhealthy jobless americans to get healthcare you can like it.

>Why? What happened?
they forced americans to buy healthcare and insurance couldn't refuse them. They expected profits but instead realized the unhealthy fucks they used to refuse were a bigger drain on them than the healthy ones who could just get a cheap form from their jobs. Since they now lost a shitload of money they raised policy rates on everybody to counteract it and in areas where it continued to fail they pulled out of.

>"free"

Please don't vote.

I'm working currently as a part-time as a Network Engineer, my cousin hooked me up, he told me insurance was up to me if I wanted it. I didn't even know it was required for everyone to have it.

i think its like blue cross blue shield but way more expensive and you need large medical problems to use it

That free healthcare for poor people made mine as much as my house payment every month and comes with a huge deductible. Poor people like it, middle class can't afford it unless their job picks up a good portion of the bill. Self employed are fucked.

The problem with the ACA is that it wasnt what Dems wanted, in order to pass it they needed a lot of compromise with Republicans that strategically took a giant shit on the bill so that it would have great drawbacks that they could then turn around and use as political ammo against Dems.

States with the highest premium increases have it so because they opted out of expanding medicare and funding. The Dem goal was single payer. Instead we got some half measure.

ill vote whoever Sup Forums tells me to

lol retard

Assuming you're not a hit and run troll...

>what's wrong with Obamacare?
-Collapsing the medical system
-Collapsing the insurance system
-We can not keep our doctors.
-We can not keep our insurance plans
-We can not keep our insurance providers.

Why don't you tell us what's right with Obamacare?

>Isn't free healthcare a good thing?
-It's not free.
-It's not the government's duty to provide healthcare.
It's not the government's duty to interfere with healthcare.

Why don't you tell us why someone else paying for healthcare is a good thing?

>ill vote whoever Sup Forums tells me to
What a fucking sheep.

>Republican
Ahh. Makes sense.

Basically Obama care forces people to buy insurance that don't have it. And they are forced to buy coverage that covers tons of stuff that you wouldn't normally want. You used to be able to buy $80/month for catastrophic insurance.

Why do this? Obama 1) wanted to insure more people by forcing them to buy 2) Covers people with pre-existing conditions since the exchanges have to sell to them. The government subsidies it and so do healthy people. The healthy people who see a doctor once every 5 years are paying the same rates as fatties who are about to die because deep fried shit tastes so damn good.

Long story short: Middle class, normal people get screwed by paying for unhealthy people so more people can get insurance.

Like everyone said, it's not free. The way the policy was designed it was intended to help everyone, but ended up only helping the poor. Both white collar and blue collar workers were hurt by it.

The thing with insurance is that you use it for everything. You don't use car insurance when you fill up with gas. I wish there was a way that if you get sick with the common flu you could immediately get care for $15. You are stuck with shitty drug store no prescription medicine or trying to get an appointment.

I would like to type my symptoms into a computer. An AI or Indian doctor reviews it and gives me prescription all in 30mins.

Bottom line though is America is really unhealthy. I wish they would adjust premiums for overweight people like they adjust car insurance for risky drivers. But that would be racists or some shit.

>free

>What's wrong with obamacare?
Inflation, thats the problem.

This nigga thinks it's free, lol. The law forces you to buy insurance or pay a fine for not having it.

Health insurance premiums went up about 50% on average, and health care hasn't improved, because all the extra money goes to the pockets of the insurance companies or the government. Thanks Obama!

>free healthcare
>free

oh boy

*nigger
"Nigga" is used by spics and niggers

Like your vote at all matters lol.

And healthcare was already free for poor people.

>free
haha, ask any small business owner or freelancer how much "free" really is.

Maybe I'm a spic nigger. Ever think of that, nigga?

They were rising even more (%)in bushes presidency

Also I dought even if Obama care was completely abolished. Your insurance wouldn't go down a notice amount. Hell it would probably still be more.

No such thing as "free" when the government is concerned, the poor get dicked every time.

like everything else in life it doesn't work because corporations (humans) are greedy

breitbart.com/video/2017/09/22/maher-obamacare-was-a-redistribution-of-income-obama-should-have-said-thats-exactly-what-were-doing/

What's your retort to (((Maher))), Sup Forums?

Obviously

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>four years of undergrad study
>eight more years of med school
>get paid burger-flipper wages because liberals tell shitskins that they are entitled to your services

The problem with Obamacare is it raises taxes on rich people (millionaires and billionaires) to give healthcare to rural and suburban retards.

Trying to help right wing retards was obviously a mistake.

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How's your taxpayer-funded gender reassignment process going, leaf?

lol u retards are so silly

how's trump's? the dotard is getting btfo everyday

You obviously aren't intelligent enough to make the correlation that, being that taxes are percentage-based, OF COURSE THE RICH ARE GOING TO HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER OF MONEY. THE PERCENTAGE IS THE SAME.
This is what happens when you trade in math and science for women's studies and liberal arts.

By ghetto apehoop star. The poster boy of a professional sports league that is hemorrhaging money and will be bankrupt within a few years.

There is no such thing as free healthcare. The questions are who pays for it, how, and when.

yet that sole tweet has more retweets than anything trump has tweeted ever.

Leaf here.

Free healthcare is great. I do so enjoy waiting a minimum of eight hours for care in an emergency room only to be whisked off to a bed that's in a hallway. Unless you were lucky enough to receive your care right there in the ER where they perform tests as there's no space or resources for you in the entire facility.

Need to see a specialist? No problem! There's a minimum two year wait for most back specialists. Do so enjoy the wait while you're in agony the entire time. Also, since you have time on your hands, wonder why the opiate epidemic is so high.

Need drugs? No problem! Get ready to pay for them yourself, even if you've put money into this system for decades and never used it.

Also, if you'd like to enjoy real universal healthcare that your politicians like to talk about, enjoy the knowledge that while you work and pay taxes for this system that will leave you footing the bill for many procedures and drugs, those things are free for refugees that arrived with nothing but their hands out.

That's because more leftist shit stains and nigger tier people use social media than any other groups of people. Twitter is basically the Sup Forums for leftists. They can go there and be told they are right and continue in all their deranged group-think.

Unless you are so poor that the government gives you free healthcare it's NOT free.

Since when are services provided by professionals ever fucking free????

Its me on mobile. Wtf r u retarding about? Be clear and be specific. Show that u have a clear understanding of the specific obamacare taxes on the rich to give the poor healthcare. Now go ahead what is your argument

>replies asking something that has nothing to with what i actually said.
Looks like my prediction was correct.

Ewwww your healthcare sucks.

It's absolute garbage. I have no idea why there's a debate at all in the US about wanting this shit. We are living proof that this does not work.

When Obamacare was implemented, my cheap health insurance refused to expand, and left me without insurance. So, I had to go into Obamacare, unfortunately it took me six months to get coverage because:
>can't confirm your identity, user.
Wtf.
I had to pay for the six months I was uninsured plus my insurance rate with Humana doubled from my original policy.

My friend, tried to get Humana but he didn't make enough money.
I shit you not.

Nice projection. Your reply had nothing to do with my post. I was asking u to clarify your argument. You cant do it because you're retarded

Socialism in general is unsustainable. The answer to paying for programs can't always be "tax the rich".

> ACA was crippled to get Republicans to vote for it

Bitch not one single Republican voted for it, they even tried to filibuster it but the Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority.

It's 100% Democrat, declared so by Obama himself (before people started finding out the real price of the "free health insurance," after that they started shilling the lie you told)

I made it as simple as I could. Maybe numbers will help you since you can't grasp abstraction:

Evil Rich White Male makes $1,000,000 per year while doing absolutely nothing.

Brave Independent Black Female makes $10,000 per year while worked 12 jobs and feeding 9 kids.

Let's say, said and done, ERWM's taxes total to ~ 40% of his income, and BIBF's taxes total to ~25% of her income. I don't expect you to understand anything about tax brackets, so I'm not going to elaborate.

$1,000,000 X 40% = $400,000 paid in taxes by ERWM.
$10,000 X 25% = $2,500 paid in taxes by BIBF.

The money is pooled in to social welfare accounts and paid disproportionally to beneficiaries of said social welfare programs.

But, the point is, being percentage-based, someone with a higher income will always seem to receive more money during tax cuts. And if you knew anything about basic math, you'd understand why. I honestly can't break it down any more simply. If you don't understand this, then you should have never been let out of the elementary school.

You have to pay a fine for each member of your household that doesn't have insurance. There are a few ways to exempt yourself from it, if you couldn't afford it or if you weren't able to find a good plan.

law mandating I purchase a service even if I cannot afford or need it, there is not way to opt out short of an hero.

Wtf does anything that u just posted have to do with Obama care taxes? You have no fucking clue what obamacare taxes were raised do u? You're making that abundantly clear. Just as i suspected. Your first reply had nothing to do with my first post and u know it. The top 400 households make a shitload more than $1 million u absolute moron.

By disproportionally, I mean, BIBF may receive ~$45,000 in federal aid through welfare, food stamp programs, etc, having only paid in $2,500.
ERWM would receive ~$0 in federal aid having paid in $400,000.

Thanks

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>The top 400 households make a shitload more than $1 million u absolute moron
You just keep proving my point.

You have no fucking clue what obamacare taxes are do u? Youre talking about overall federal tax rates. Not obamacare taxes. You couldn't make it more obvious that u dont know . Even from mobile i massacre u retards. This is so embarassing for u

Youre that same retard i massacred yesterday and u left after 2 posts. I can tell. Just admit it. I have the cap saved on my desktop

well republicans better get used to it because it's here to stay

>Is given clarification, as asked for
>Doesn't understand so resorts to character assassination
>Still has no argument so continues with character assassination
Leftists are so predictable. Later mate.

>pay for this healthcare or you will be punished.

it's coercive. that's all you need to know.

Why are you talking about federal tax brackets when clearly my first post was about Obama care taxes (which u dont know what they are, maybe u will google and figure it out)

You cant answer anything

This was about obamacare taxes and the right wing retard starts splerging about a 40% tax rate... my god u retards are a disaster

Bullshit. Obamacare even robbed Fannie and Freddie. They took more money than we knew to try and float it. It was a total sham.

My leaf family member waited 3 years for a rotator cuff surgery. Fuck that. I grew up in that shit and it was horrible. Another friend just started chemo after having to wait 6 months. Probably die because of having to wait so long for treatment.

It's free healthcare for niggers, niggers are poor, if it's not free, niggers die

Obama Leaf back at desktop. Reporting in. Nobody checks my quads?

Fucking right wing retards.

i get quads and right wing retards leave

bumping my quads

sage

bump