Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Benjamin Anderson
kek
Josiah Martinez
So comrades, what are your general thoughts of the German elections and the effect it will have in pushing the left back to block politics form coalition building?
Kevin Smith
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society. Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies: >Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/gommies.gom/starve/
Da sdages of gommunism. >Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Eli Foster
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Nolan Sullivan
The left can't meme. They just steal ours and pretend to look intelligent.
Hudson Myers
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Jaxson Murphy
what is the means of production for more human beings
Cooper Young
every single meme on the left side is a complete ripoff of a right wing one but of course you are oblivious because you cant fukken meme!
Robert Reed
are you that faggot belgian who keeps shitting up/nsg/?
Andrew Baker
You again mate ? >When your ideology is so good the only argument against it is gay porn
why do you keep derialing gommie treads with gay porn faggot?
Sebastian White
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Luis Brown
Fascism is capitalism in decline and homosexuality in the closet.
Aiden Perez
>inb4 evades ban to bitcha about muh censorship
Samuel Scott
> Misunderstanding Hegel and capitalism, communism, and fascism this badly
Noah Johnson
Not according to Dialectic Materialism.
Anthony Walker
>Fascism is capitalism in decline and homosexuality in the closet.
kek
William Williams
>Stealing fashwave on bottom left >Stealing reddit-tier anti nazi pic and put stalin in it Also >Cuba leading cancer research Mah niggah in what world did you get the info? The leaders are at NIH and various med schools around the world, but absolutely none of those schools are in Cuba. They're struggling so hard to get medical supplies for their hospitals that even the US media reported on it, in an information-repressive communist state. >cnn.com/WORLD/9706/13/cuba.embargo/ What a cuck
Yeah, the Allies would've fucking lost without the USSR, you stupid faggot
Cameron Morris
So how is the value of currency and goods determined when value is completely subjective?
Jeremiah Green
we will kill commies, /thread go fucking die.
Adam Martin
welcome back comrade
Anthony Nguyen
How is owning the factory going to make me hate my shit job less?
Gavin Wright
In a capitalistic economy, supply and demand determines the price.
Daniel Morris
Less alienation, more substantive wages and control over the place of employment.
Parker Morgan
>The Allies would've lost without the country that couldn't function without Allied aid
Levi Perez
Not when it comes to currency, or market value of it. These are things controlled by state apparatus.
Carter Morris
Hi
why? do you privately own means of production?
Henry Cook
I'm pretty sure I would still hate my job. In fact, I think I would hate it more if I had to have burden of helping manage the place.
Matthew Bennett
Anything that gives you some form of right or advantage over others is a form of privilege, however small.
The example on the right definitely has the most prevalent impact though, and if it weren't as such then a lot of the stuff in the left example wouldn't have such an impact.
As it stands, people are more likely to pursue the means by which they can better their own lives in ways they think are achievable. Capitalism is so entrenched that most people don't bother to fight it, even if they recognise it to be a problem.
Justin Thompson
>Marxism-Leninism
lost me there.
Lincoln Brown
When has communism ever worked?
Michael Martin
No idea. And if by owning they mean forced to work under the menace of being shot, i really have no clue. But hey, commies. We are talking about people thinking building the biggest government will make it disappear and we will all be free, friends and stuff.
Flawless logic.
Levi Martinez
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Lucas Hughes
Socialism works in many aspects of modern first world life
Lincoln Davis
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society. Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies: >Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/gommies.gom/starve/
Da sdages of gommunism. >Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Sebastian Flores
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David Howard
Communism as defined by most dictionaries is defined as moneyless,classless and stateless society. Such thing has not excised as descried by Marxist or anarchist theory.
Brody Gomez
It should be a lot easier to quit that job and find a new job without the hassles of finding a new employer
Logan Martinez
Don't be so close minded, start by reading the Manifesto is only 30 pages.
Luis Edwards
Communism was never supposed to be something that happens over night.
Aaron Sanders
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William Fisher
so never?
Carson Rivera
So a communist economy is identical to a capitalist one but the currency is controlled by private apparatus instead?
Jose Jenkins
AfD is in favor of gibs for workers, just not full-blown globalist cuckery and Muslim importation.
Why can't you degenerate commies realize that people value race and culture?
Cameron Martin
Who does a stateless and classes society exist? Does that mean there is no government, because that is impossible.
Gabriel Sanders
How? Wouldn't other places only want the best workers and have an interview process to weed out shitters?
Benjamin Campbell
The last one is National Socialism silly, commies don't make peace or prosperity
Gabriel Gonzalez
What does Communism have to do with race and culture?
Ryder Cox
Communism is the only viable future we have. All societies face crisis. It is unable to deal with crisis because capitalism atomizes society into individuals. it makes it unable for the masses to plan for the future. The only remedy for pollution capitalist believe is legitimate, is a private party suing a polluter only after the pollution has taken place. In capitalism individuals exist only for their own individual benefit. This completely ignores the fact that humanity is not composed of one individual, but of many. If we are to resolve the issues we have, we must act as an us. We have to unleash our collective human species-being from the reigns of private property. The collective human species-being is the being that creates dams, hospitals and in the future it will create mass drivers, it will bring mankind into harmony with the earth. Right now we are just a collection of beings that are unorganized and running around with no heads. We are engaged in a struggle against ourselves. The sole cause of this struggle is private property. We have divided the Earth and its products into parcels that we fight over. Instead of uniting forces and using this Earth to provide for all, we use it to get more parcels. This does not serve mankind, but serves individuals. Who in the end are just serving capital. Capital is a living parasite that demands more and more labor. Capital requires growth or it disappears, this growth is supplied by human labor. I hope you realize humanity cannot have a future, where man continues to fight against itself.
Connor Hernandez
Piss off to leftypol, commie
Caleb Jackson
moneyless,classless and stateless society. As such there would be no centralized currency.
Owen Turner
Communism is according to your ability. People would have no reason for pursuing a job they have no interest in because money is no longer an issue.
Aaron Flores
Are we invading your safe space? Poor you
Jose Richardson
What prevents one to gather follower, impose his will by force, conquer territories, get more followers, enact rules, and becoming a government ? Nuffin You have to be a complete moron to believe otherwise. Communism is a lie used by some to get the power they crave. Once they have it, they keep it. Communism doesnt happen, because its impossible. You do not turn an oligarchy (capitalist democracy) into a communist state without violence and mass murder, and communist states never disappear. They grow until they fall apart. When they do, the powerful guys in the party keep the pieces and become oligarchs.
Zachary Morris
Yes, it means that there is no central government while there is likely to be worker councils who will replace those state institutions.
Andrew Turner
Move to Venezuela and then come back and talk to us about how great Crapunism is.
Alexander Jenkins
Why would any collective want shitty workers? Many people are just bad at everything.
Josiah Cooper
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Aiden Wood
Right, so now we're back to my original question. How is the value of goods and labor determined when value is completely subjective? In a communist society, and in the socialist society that is a prerequisite to communism.
Oliver Jenkins
Why should the fruits of my hard (and miserable) labor go to support a Guatemalan baby-momma instead of my own kids? Hint: I don't want to give you any of my money. I don't want to do anything at all for you. I don't like you. I'm willing to tolerate you as long as you leave me alone, but that's as good as things can get between us.
John Anderson
Communism just doesn't work. It just doesn't.
Alexander Price
The same problem can be said about any type of government
Andrew Bell
>Fashwave is a left memes >Countryballs is a left memes >Political propaganda parodys are left mems
user I....
Juan Hernandez
By markets.
Camden Flores
How do markets work in a moneyless society?
Eli Clark
>First three letters are MLP Mmmmmm
Juan Foster
How do we measure the importance of different jobs and the work put into it? Why would I want to put up with the stress of operating a nuclear power plant and see no greater reward than the breadline operator?
Cooper Gutierrez
Also i want to know, what is the difference between communism and anarchism?
Ian Morales
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Nolan Clark
I meant that markets would operate in a socialist economy. In communist society production costs,labor and skill required would be determining factors in production of goods and services.
Ayden Kelly
For a long time, I've been a solid devotee of the dynamism of throwing commies out of helicopters and the cold, efficiency of lining them up and shooting them, but I've been watching this webm of ultranationalist hero Otoya Yamaguchi assassinating the worthless commie Inejiro Asanuma and it's really getting to me. It's like you can see the righteousness of his cause reflected in the beauty and glory of his strike.
Should we start killing commies with knives and swords? To a degree, it would be an aesthetic action geared towards spiritual perfection, like painting or bonsai, but it could also stand to save on bullets and helicopter fuel...
Eli Diaz
>In communist society production costs,labor and skill required would be determining factors in production of goods and services. But the value of production costs, labor, and skill are all completely subjective. How do you determine their value?
Sebastian Taylor
God's work!
Camden Mitchell
They are not subjective but can be calculated since all of those things run a material and labor costs.
Brandon Russell
Yep. Government is the monopoly of violence. Violence is the ultimate tool to impose your will. You impose your will because you want comfort, safety and females. Its natural. So commies should stop lying and accepting they want power for these reasons, like all other ideologies. It ignores facts such as genetics and human nature. Anarchy is impossible in the real world. We need order and unity. We need to accept what we are and what is good. We need to be fierce, strong, healthy, clever, educated, disciplined and with purpose. Fascism.
Anthony Perry
How do you measure their costs?
Ryan Lopez
But the value of material and labor are completely subjective as well, so how do you determine their value?
Colton Ortiz
Labour voucher credits (that can be exchanged for luxuries and are unique certificated for every person, a proof that you worked x time in y) would account for dangerous level of the job. Dangerous jobs are a greater contribution for society.
Carter Green
Depends on what you`re producing, but generally input-output is fairly easy to calculate especially when it comes to materials. Material costs are not subjective, they are tied to material+labor. Labor costs can be calculated by looking at the input-output ratio per whatever we decide to use as standard for labor value in this case.
Eli Parker
>Workers council A council is made of a small group of people who are making decisions on behalf of larger group. This sounds like government. . In a sense, they would be the ruling class of society. A worker council is just another term for local government whose action will need to be coordinated with other worker council, which inadvertently will need a centralized location to coordinated those actions.
Let's not argue about semantics, but essentially what you have stated (worker council) is government whether you like it or not.
Andrew Gray
the only reason this general exists is because mods are a bunch of fucking fagots
