Can someone tell me why "white nationalism", or "white identity" is important?
I mean, I'm not against the idea of racial pride... But "white" is a vague as fuck thing. Why not have "Irish pride" or "German pride", since Europe is made of many different cultures some of which are quite different from each other.
Bonus question: If you're a non-white that has something as equally vague like Latino pride or Asian pride, same question.
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White people are grouped together and demonized as white people, white identity politics are the natural outcome. You can either group together or get picked off one by one.
>Can someone tell me why "white nationalism", or "white identity" is important?
Because whites are under attack right now.
>"white" is a vague as fuck thing. Why not have "Irish pride" or "German pride", since Europe is made of many different cultures some of which are quite different from each other.
Again, WHITES are under attack. The blacks, Muslims and Jews don't see Irish, Germans, Swedes, English etc.
They see white skin and they hate it.
Yes, the white race is a large umbrella and has many expressions of itself. But we come together as white against the coloured hordes and the Jewish agitators.
Why is it important to me?
Having WN and Natsoc types around keeps the SJWs and ancoms off my back while I continue to accumulate capital.
It isn’t. White nationalism is just for low iq whites with Zero self-accomplishments of their own, so they attach themselves to intelligent or famous accomplished people based on skin color lol.
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America was founded by white nationalists.
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not really, no
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The only reason white people even are beginning to think of themselves as *white* people is because they have been attacked on a fundamental level by being constantly pushed into that *white people* group, mostly by racist "anti racist" white people with a lot of guilt issues.
not really. i am in the same boat but you are the one putting people down. what are your great achievements?
Fair enough.
But the next question is why do you feel under attack? Where I live, the Muslim population integrated pretty well and I've never had a problem with blacks.
Jews, I could see... But the way the Jews want to fuck me over isn't exclusively a Jewish thing.
Why do you feel that people are attacking your race?
Mind you, I could have a biased view based on where I'm from; there's not really racial issues anymore and most folks are more concerned about feeding their family.
Fair enough reason.
>why do you feel under attack
You just get the Internet?
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It's literally legal to discriminate towards someone on the basis of their skin when hiring or accepting them into higher education.
"White" is the people who'd you deduce to be of collective history to Europeans. America breaks down the racial differences more broadly.
Irish and Germans are told the exact same thing in Ireland and Germany; there's no ancestral component to being Irish or German.
That's a linguistic ruse to adopt a frame of reference that nobody else will adhere to. The left wants to shit on me for being a fucking White male, so I will become a fucking White male. White men never lose wars to foreigners when they decide to fight; spreading white identity is mustering the will to fight back.
This. Whites are all lumped together to be demonized regardless of their history and background.
So why shouldn't they be lumped in for the good as well as the bad, using the same logic?
Same question I asked someone else...
Why do you feel whites are being attacked? 'cause I'm as white as bread and never felt that someone was coming after me.
>Why do you feel that people are attacking your race?
bruh, Whites are the only race that it's legally permissible to discriminate against.
Are you Jewish?
No.
There internet is filled with all sorts of people that say all sorts of stupid things... And I don't judge the world as a whole by shit on the net.
Isnt Africa like twice the size of europe, consisting of many different cultures and country's and different peoples?
Isn't Asia twice the size of Europe, consisting of many different cultures and countrys and different peoples?
Why don't you go start a thread about"black lives matter" and tell them to specify who they're talking about.
Is it Somalians?
Is it Nigerians?
Fuck off
Sage goes in all fields.
Catholic, so no.
Ethnically Jewish, the religion is literally a footnote.
So you've never experienced discrimination? What have you done where that's even possible? I would guess you're pretty sheltered.
Because white people have the capacity to live together and get along. Shitskin Arabs, blacks, and Spics don't live alongside us. They are violent and awful. We don't have to take race realism to an absurd extent (like dividing up whites) but we can all agree that Arabs, spics, and nigs are not compatible with white people at all.
I'm 25% Irish and 25% German
The rest is various western European countries and supposedly some native but I'm a ginger so go figure
How can I have Irish or German pride if I'm not even close to a majority of anything except white?
We've had this thread before and we'll have it again. They treat us as a group, attack us as a group, and want us gone as a group. As a result, we will resist as a group, and we're gonna show them how badly they fucked up.
Cute hapa kids. This is likely eugenic too, from a cognitive standpoint.
Irish aren't white
Hapas have the highest rates of mental illness
Welcome to the illuminati plan.
To pit whites vs jews vs blacks vs browns vs islamics.
When its done we will all clamor for the safety of a one world government.
That's based on studies that included all 'multiracial' people as one category -- including mulattoes etc. who are much more numerous.
If most blacks in America knew where they were from, I'd think general black pride is equally stupid. :p
(And I already think its stupid.)
The cute thing is that you assume you don't need immigrants.
Bro. You aren't even reproducing at replacement levels, who is going to pay the taxes to fund all your social services?
Immigrants.
Hell, 25% of women in the medical field in the UK drop out to be mothers. Guess who fills their spot? Immigrant doctors.
I'm emphasising that immigrants are literally keeping whites afloat at this point. The damage that is socialism and feminization of society has already been done. Immigrants are just a temporary band aid solution at this point.
>Bro. You aren't even reproducing at replacement levels, who is going to pay the taxes to fund all your social services?
Children. Immigrants are long-term liabilities because they will destroy the institutions required to maintain a first-world country because of regression to the mean.
I don't care about fucking welfare, I would rather cut it off and let tens of millions of people die than let another paki, muslim, nigger, or chink into my country.
I would it if people, especially children, were taught to be proud of their accomplishments.
But hey, I'm a wild eyed dreamer.
Not ethnically Jewish, either. Let me clarify.
I've felt discrimination. But none of it was because I was white and most of it came from other white people, usually based on issues of class among other issues.
I've never faced any discrimination based on race.
I've had Mexicans living close to me that I'd rather have around than some of the whites, with their fucking meth. Nicer people.
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So you've never applied for a job at a corporation or university?
Everyone else has representation!
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>Can someone tell me why "white nationalism", or "white identity" is important?
Because bigots oppose it. Either we have equality or we don't. Either people get to define themselves and their communities, their tribes or they don't.
Claiming white privilege exists while denying white identity is an illogical act of racisim
Modern intersectionality. Say the idea of equality in the late Reagan era, or Star Trek. Each race and culture is represented, and appreciated. Calling people "colored people" is racist and reductive.
But now we have the idea of "people of color" which is used to group everyone but white people, in an attempt to get political solidarity.
Depends on where you are I guess. Euros are more divided by nationality, latin americans more by money.
Immigrants are tax negative over the course of their lifetime. Same with their kids.
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>Can someone tell me why "white nationalism", or "white identity" is important?
Because it's time to cease this divide and conquer strategy. Those who'd wish to destroy the European peoples don't care if you're Irish or Polish or Italian, so whites should stand together if we wish to survive, even if it's temporary (and I wish it weren't, we've had enough brother wars already).
It had nothing to do with white nationalism. It was just american nationalism in the face of the british tyrant.
You're just as bad as these leftists
real answer: the elites have been trying to break down european identity for a century now. fifty years ago people of european ancestry in america still identified as german, or irish, or italian, and most people lived in ethnic neighborhoods. the elites slowly implemented their plan to break that identity down by introducing niggers into those neighborhoods then forcing the europeans to disperse into the suburbs where they ended up losing the cultural identity they previously had.
now all we have is 'whiteness'. and what the fuck is that, really?
Chrono Cross was a mistake. Those resources should've been moved to finish Xenogears.
>Why do you feel whites are being attacked?
I don't know, maybe because of the ever increasing amount of "fuck white people" and "hey (((fellow))) whites, it sure sucks being white huh?" and so on and so forth. You must've been here on Sup Forums for a very short while if you don't know the usual routine.
The first naturalization laws of the United States stipulated that only White people could become citizens
No, because I've had circumstances in life lead me to the role of caregiver. Of course, that lead to fewer economic opportunities in the first place....
So again, discrimination came more from class than anything else.
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>The cute thing is that you assume you don't need immigrants.
>oh no your population is decreasing, please import more shitskins!
Illegal immigrants cost the country between $50 billion and $80 billion per year, even after taxes paid. They are not paying your pension -- they are stealing it. They also increase unemployment and reduce wages among low-skilled professions.
High-skilled immigrants are different. They are net positive and actually out-pay natives. They also increase GDP PER CAPITA which means they make the country richer. And studies show that they increase employment in their fields. It's basically a way for the U.S. to grab global talent from other countries.
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America is a nation of white European multiculturalism. To reiterate, this is a nation which by design functions as a free land for all white Europeans to come and cooperate under the banner of one nation and to combine our strengths and advantages to excel above all other nations. The mistake we made was ever bringing other races here in the first place, and then we gave them rights and we gave women the vote. White nationalism is a movement to reclaim the original spirit of our civilization before retarded genderfluid foxkin pansexuals, kikes, and minorities snuff it all out once and for all
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I agree 100%.
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In modern times, all Europeans are part of the same White political/racial identity.
It does not matter that in the distant past Europeans were divided into separate groups.
They're already pitted against each other naturally. It's instinct, but it's been trained out of white people by the media and educational system.
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Because we diaspora are mixed with several white cultures.
Euros may not understand what white culture is but looking into european history you can clearly see how we're all tied together. We all pushed back the arab and hunnic hordes or at least fought against them. We are tied together by not only our common Christian heritage but even before that our pagan beliefs were largely the same, all springing forth from an older european religion.
White is a culture. Even within different euro countries there are differences between the way people do things. The niggers aren't proclaiming pride in their individual tribes and neither should we. This is about the survival of our "cultural family".
Because our enemies have categorized us as one people, leftists will without hesitation refer to a polish person the same nazi he'd class anyone else who disagrees, even right wing jews like Shapiro gain the title.
In that much it is our best interest to identify the moniker which they consider a nazi, which is anything further right than rachel maddow and not the color of shit, i.e. anyone 50% European or more.
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>But the next question is why do you feel under attack? Where I live, the Muslim population integrated pretty well and I've never had a problem with blacks.
Okay. But you understand the world isn't just confined to you, right? Look at what Muslims are doing in Europe. Look at the astonishing black on white crime rate in America and now Europe aswell.
>Jews, I could see... But the way the Jews want to fuck me over isn't exclusively a Jewish thing.
It is. The Jews have an exclusive policy of humiliating, degrading and deconstructing their hosts when they have enough power. The Chinese own a lot of shit in East Asia, and now in Europe/Australia etc.
But they don't do the same shit Jews do. They just want the money and advance their group. It runs deeper with Jews, much deeper. The reasons for which are up for debate.
>Why do you feel that people are attacking your race?
Because they are. And it's facilitated and promoted by our insitutions and has been for decades. The agenda is literally white genocide in that they want to take our space, Europe, from us and transform it into a multicultural free for all where we will be the hated and dispised minoirty, regardless of our ethnic origin or economic status.
>Mind you, I could have a biased view based on where I'm from; there's not really racial issues anymore and most folks are more concerned about feeding their family.
Again, the world isn't 'you'. I'm happy you have it good but alot of white people are having a much rougher time than you, and you will yourself eventually if we don't reverse this one way or another.
We all share a common culture, European > White (European + other related populations in the near east) > Indo-European > Caucasoid > Eurasiatic
Eurasian persons are only about 15,000 years apart at max.
Sub-Saharans on the other hand are about 200,000 years removed from everyone else.
Truth.
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You assume I'm out of the loop.
I mean, did you know that in their fight against British, the IRA worked with Palestinian sects? They trained each other and considered each other brothers - because both were oppressed with what they saw as Imperialistic regimes.
As for everything else... Why should I care that some white model married a half-black model with kids that look mostly white? Or that some rich celebrity adopted black kids? Or any other number of things.
How does that effect me, or any other number of white people?
white = european
Are you a hue? Your outlook is standard in Brazil.
It's a propaganda technique used to normalize the dissolution of White identity and at the same time demonize White people.
Do you think it will be a just fine for them when Whites are a hated minority?
I'll bite. White Nationalism is important because we, as a people, deserve a homeland to pursue our interests free from the pernicious influences of other peoples. Because it has been demonstrated again and again throughout history that the stronger ingredient in a multi-racial soup will carry the entire concoction, i.e., Babylon, Egypt, Rome, America, etc, it is necessary for the white race as a group to preserve our primordial structures, both genetically and culturally, so as to avoid the inevitable entropy which would arise through the admixture or miscegenation of these primordial attributes. This 'lowering' of an ethno-cultural matrix through miscegenation has been demonstrated by the ancient Greeks, the Egyptians, the ancient (dot) Indians, and others.
White Identity isn't as slippery of a slope as many would make it out to be. Although superficial differences may exist between the various European nation-states, they are, as a whole, vastly more similar than they are different. This can be proven linguistically, philologically, genetically, phenotypically, culturally, etc. Despite the existence of a couple outliers, which can be easily likened to various other homogeneous peoples, such as the Han or Koisan (linguistically and genetically, respectively), one would have to be a fucking retard to look at an American white ethnic mongrel, a South African white ethnic mongrel, and an Australian white ethnic mongrel, and not realize that they are, in fact, derived from one and the same people.
In conclusion, I would like to posit that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, then it is, in fact, a duck.
Nah.
I'm just a white guy, from a working class background, from the Midwest who finds it hard to care about that sort of thing when taking care of me and my own is more pressing.
Just noticed and I'm surprised no one gave you shit for the GOY in your ID.
I agree, white nationalism is a retarded meme. Just like any movement with "pan-" at the beginning.
>Why not have "Irish pride" or "German pride"
Never heard of patriotism? Where are you from?
That's easy to say when you live in a completely homogeneous society.
When whites are a hated minority... I'll be dead. And even if I wasn't, it wouldn't be that much of a step down.
As I said... I got a lot more shit for being poor from white folks than anyone else.
Whites are already hated and in 20 years they'll be a minority; they're already a minority of births in the USA. Are you 60 years old?
Ha. At least it's proof I'm not a Jew.
America. And I've heard of it, but some folks here don't seem all that keen on American patriotism (or really any sort) since it's about your nation, not your race.
Maybe.
But then again, it used to be very multicultural and yet our pride was still rooted first and foremost in our state and the freedoms it provided, not in race or religion.
Also, I thought Americans are very patriotic in general? So how come you're implying that American pride is not a thing?
Ah, right. No. But I'll still be to old to care. And again... I'll still get shit on because I'm poor, so... Something new.
>White nationalism is just for low iq whites with Zero self-accomplishments of their own
Replace "white" with anything else and people would call you a fucking racist for attempting to disenfranchise minority groups.
being proud of your state seems silly to me when it is shared by tons of different people who aren't of your own. that is basically just celebrating your government.
White nationalism is the best possible outcome for humanity. High IQ, but not bugmen like Asians, while also possessing a wide range of creative and athletic talents.
Whites are the best people.
Your family members will be hated minorities then
If you're this nihilistic and submissive why don't you just kill yourself right now?
People have pride in the America they identify with. That America doesn't include niggerball and madea movies for White people
Oh, there is. When I say "here" I mean Sup Forums. ;p
Although to a degree, Americans in general really only seem proud when their political party is in power.
Personally, I had a weird degree of patriotism, in that I'm proud of the ideals our country is supposed to stand for but often find myself disappointed we have such a hard time living up to it.
Pride doesn't matter- having your children not be turned into hated minorities in their ancestral homelands where violent and unintelligent brown people can use them as props to play out their pathological revenge fantasies does matter. Pride can be useful to the extent that it helps resist that outcome.
As for the term "white", it would include German and Irish. It's a broad umbrella term- but not a great one. Stil, until we come up with a better term, it's acknowledges that we are a global community, and all of our countries are generally suffering from the same diseases and being targeted by the same enemies. And these enemies don't see Irish and German people, they just see whites.
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>finds it hard to care about that sort of thing when taking care of me and my own is more pressing.
How do you determine who is 'you and your own'? I mean, that term generally means relatives, family, your 'tribe' so to speak.
Ethnocentrecism (of which 'whiteness' is basically the European American version) is the tribal idea taken to the conclusion that 'the best way to take care of me and mine is to live in a culture that will share and support our idea and genes rather than compete with them.
'White' is basicly an attempt to create an ethnicity that is 'Euro-American', the blend of western ideas and peoples that founded the United States. You're correct, it does not have relevance on the world stage because other nations have their own core ethnicity to protect, but unless you wanted a fucking civil war in the United States the best way to maintain unity is to create and maintain that culture and population of 'white people'. When you get multiple cultures and ethnicity, you either have a civil war and balkanization, or a series of revolutions and societal instability/crime/corruption (basically a low level civil war and tribal competition happening all the time.)
It's important to have both but national divisions will make us weak compared to the billion+ chinks who have a common identity, etc.
>some folks here don't seem all that keen on American patriotism (or really any sort) since it's about your nation, not your race.
In the case of America you can't really separate the two- the US is unique in the sense that it was founded by literal white nationalists; it is the first and only exclusively "white" nation to ever exist in history, where the original 1790 Naturalizarion laws limited citizenship 100% only to "white" people, using that exact language. Non-whites, even full legal citizens, were ethnically cleansed from the country as recently as the 1920s. No non-whites were ever intended to be eligible for citizenship under the founding terms of the country. It sought homogeneous within a larger genetic in-group, if not specific historical ethnicities. And it was working pretty well, northern europeans can be integrated and assimilated petty flawlessly as all of the white colonies have shown.
>being proud of your state seems silly to me when it is shared by tons of different people who aren't of your own. that is basically just celebrating your government.
Yes, but we're talking about a situation where you live in an elective monarchy with abolished slavery, religious tolerance, and a whole set of rights that none of the people living in neighbouring absolutist monarchies have.
Every government in the long run is a reflection of its people and their mentality, so I don't think you can clearly divide celebrating your identity and celebrating your government. They're linked.
One, my intimidate family will be dead.
Two, I don't plan to have children. I'm already a full-time caretaker of another human being and when I'm no longer, I'm going to take care of myself.
Three, you're assuming that just because I think you haven't gave me a compelling argument (or one I think is compelling) I'm nihilistic... I'm not.
There's a lot of things I believe are important - my faith, even if I have moments of weakness; I try to make the world a better better place for everyone even though I have limited means... There's a lot I believe is important.
