Make fun of commies for years with the rest of Sup Forums

>make fun of commies for years with the rest of Sup Forums
>finally decide to read the Communist Manifesto to "know my enemy"
>as I read, I slowly realize that a lot of it makes a lot of sense and that Marx was redpilled as fuck
>wanted to return to a traditionalist life pre-industrialization
>was literally trying to save the world from out of control capitalism treating the workers like slaves
>was trying to give the workers basic human rights and dignity instead of making them work 18 hours a day

It's a shame some of his solutions to these problems were pants on head retarded though.
>dude no property lmao
>dude no nations lmao

So yeah, what else has Sup Forums lied to me about?

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>believing the labor theory of value
get the fuck off my board

oh yes, i concur, communism would surely work if we did it properly, oh yes indeed

Think of it this way.

Capitalists promise survival of the fittest, and deliver survival of the fittest. No bullshitting, no equality, only the law of the claw. As nature intended. It's no holds barred unfair, but it's what you see it's what you get.

Communists promise equality, all kinds of utopian gibmedat shit. Instead they deliver misery, poverty, radiation and State Capitalism which is monarchism with hammer and sickle.

Nobody prevented Soviet Union from doing Communism. It ruled half the world from 1930s to 1990s, and couldn't provide bread and toilet paper. 200 million dead means Marx doesn't get a second chance.

We haven't lied to you about anything. Marx was an idiot because he tried make everyone equal. There is no such thing as equality and there never will be.

Oh for fuck sake read some austrian school economists. No, Marx makes no sense at all because he was a labour-value bitch. Didn't even finish his work so ashamed he was by the marginalists

Hoppe my friend. Pick up Hans-Hermann fucking Hoppe

Manifesto is meant for the retards who don't think very much, now read Das Kapital and the Protocols, unless you are larping.

>>dude no property lmao

"The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few."

"n this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.

Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily."

Yes I realize that his ideas will never be feasible. But the problems he was addressing were real problems of his day and pretty much haven't gone away today.
People are still miserable wageslave drones, do all of the work and get none of the profit.
I guess I agree the most with his idea to smash the wheel and go back to living innawoods. But that will probably never happen.

In political/economic theory, notably socialist, Marxist, and most anarchist philosophies, the distinction between private and personal property is extremely important. Which items of property constitute which is open to debate. In some philosophies, such as capitalism, private and personal property are considered to be exactly equivalent.

Personal property includes "items intended for personal use" (e.g., clothes, homes, and vehicles, and sometimes money). It must be gained in a socially fair manner, and the owner has a distributive right to exclude others.
Private property is a social relationship between the owner and persons deprived (not a relationship between person and thing), e.g., artifacts, factories, mines, dams, infrastructure, natural vegetation, mountains, deserts, seas, etc. Marxism holds that a process of class conflict and revolutionary struggle could result in victory for the proletariat and the establishment of a communist society in which private property and ownership is abolished over time and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community. (Private property and ownership, in this context, means ownership of the means of production, not personal possessions).
To many socialists, the term private property refers to capital or the means of production, while personal property refers to consumer and non-capital goods and services.

The vast majority of the people on this board aren't very bright and have an extremely limited experience of reality.

I'd say about 95% of what is on this board is misrepresented/misunderstood nonsense.

For example the guy talking about communism in this thread already in much the manner a 10 year old would is clearly suffering from considerable mental difficulties but on this board he finds a place where he can avoid being ridiculed for having such a problem. That's basically what this board is, inept individuals finding a place they can live in a fantasy world that makes them feel empowered in some way.

The solution as you have discovered is actually to learn and experience things for real, in which case you find yourself suddenly seeing things from a much more varied range of perspectives.

You forgot to mention how retarded the Labor Theory of Value is.

Oh, and by the way, Sup Forums didn't lie to you, we know the problems with capitalism, but luckily we have Fascism and National Socialism, two systems designed to handle those problems without the idiocy that Marxism has.

Capitalism is not survival of the fittest as the way the fittest exced is by providing to the unfit.

Capitalism is the only way the unfit survive. Unfortunately they can't see this and are almost never pleased with the maximum wealth acheivable for them.

Man is a selfish creature. Communism could work if everyone was perfectly non-selfish. But as soon as some party leader starts skimming, its poverty for all.
Capitalism allows the selfish to self realize. While allowing those who want to give back and be more equal to do so.

>was trying to give the workers basic human rights and dignity instead of making them work 18 hours a day
Funny how this happened anyway under capitalism. It's almost as if a free market has delivered goods and technology at such a scale that the quality of live for succeeding generations are greatly improved compared to their forefathers.

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>>dude no property lmao
>what I mean is no property for stuff I dont like lmao
Whoa boggles the nogglers here

>2017
>has a computer
>personal property is different from private property

Riddle me this

WHAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY VS PUBLIC PROPERTY, ALEX?

>believing free market economics
GET OFF MY BOARD

>dude no property lmao
>dude no nations lmao
if you think that alone doesn't qualify him as a stereotypical destructive jew, you're dumb

>kekistani flag
fugging BASED

Apparently not even the communists know.

There is no public property.

There's either property unclaimed or unethically claimed by criminal institutions called "governments".

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you're dumb

>connects to internet
>government funded service

You might want to check out what Oswald Mosley had to offer with British Fascism. Essentially in businesses of a certain size, employees would vote their manager in as they would all be shareholders (No stockmarket style absent shareholders would be allowed). As they would be shareholders they would all profit depending on how well the business does, so they all have an incentive to ensure the business succeeds.

We too want to deal with those problems. We aren't neoliberal scum. Our problem is with Marx's pants on head retarded solutions and modern commies seeking to destroy our traditions, nations, cultures and the rewards for creating. The only ones that would get thrown under the train if we got our way would be traitors and genetically sick people.

If you've read that shit and think it's redpilled you're either retarded or lying.

Oh shit, you mean things focefully done at the point of a gun could never be done by people with private interests?

You sir just re-wrote economical theory.

if what he read makes sense then what's the problem?

Oh you mean computers can't ever ever be public property!

that identity is more important than class.

Doesn't Adam Smith assert that labor is the natural base of value too?

I've read wealth of nations and I'm pretty sure his also claims this to be true. Marx just happens to contort this into an argument why the working class is estranged from their value.

/leftypol/ psyop

Something making sense and something working are two very different things.

no smith claims the labor combined with capital create value
Marx thinks capital cant produce or increase value

The Communist Manifesto fucking sucks.

Literally a third of it is explaining how Marx is not a Jew. I'm not kidding.

Labor plays a part in the value of an item, but simply using supply and demand will already account for labor.

This is what commies did to the Russian stock market.

Free market has nothing to do with that

The market is not free, but highly controlled and regulated. If it wasn't illegal to have children work 18 hours in a mine, seven days a week, it would still happen in western society.

It's called utopia and it's science fiction. If you try to make it work it will always collapse becouse of nature laws.

If you belive in such dumb shit there is no hope for you

After they did this to the currency.

>traditionalist life pre-industrialization

The Under-Man is unconvertible. He will not bow to the new truth, because he knows that the new truth is not for him. Why should he work for a higher civilization, when even the present civilization is beyond his powers ? What the Under-Man wants is, not progress, but regress, regress to more primitive conditions in which he would be at home. In fact, the more he grasps the significance of the new eugenic truth, the uglier grows his mood. So long as all men believed all men potentially equal, the Under-Man could delude himself into thinking that changed circumstances might raise him to the top. Now that nature herself proclaims him irremediably inferior, his hatred of superiority knows no bounds.

----The Revolt Against Civilization

also
>dude no food lmao

>Marx
>Traditionalist

I bet you think Hitler was a Christian too don't you?

>20+million dead
>not real communism
>30+million dead
>not real communism
>more dead than I can count
>not real communism

Marx was right tho.

tl;dr
>you can keep your toothbrush.

That actually sounds pretty good. I can tell (((they))) would never go for a plan like that though.

I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain knows the truth on Marx is that he was great at pointing out the problems and piss-poor at thinking up practical solutions. It doesn't change the fact that communism has been a physically and spiritually deadly force in every nation where it has gained power.

Most people on Sup Forums will tell you Marxism is a Jewish subversion of socialist ideals in order to create a divide-and-conquer global strategy that would be profitable to war-profiteer Jewish banksters. Hitler was a national SOCIALIST, don't forget.

Marx's diagnosis of capitalism's problems are legit, his solutions are dumb at best and intentionally insidious at worst.

I too have learned a lot about communists in the past few days. I learned some stuff that pretty much confirmed my suspicions about the whole mess.

1. Communists enjoy using a tactic called "war on the people" or "war of the people". What this war is one in which communists are not strong enough to take on their opponents head on so what they do is go after supporters and innocent people in order to prevent them from supporting opposition. The tactic is basically a corrupted and reverse version of "hearts and minds". It makes sense considering Antifa is ready to do harm to crowds of counter protesters rather than police or the fact liberals tried to shame their way to election victory. The problem with the communist's tactic is that it only works on 3rd worlders and the poor, not everybody else.

2. I learned that communists oppose freedom of speech because it draws too many criticisms of communism. This confirmed my suspicions that communism IS in fact a religious world view.

Starting to notice a lot of bullshit lies myself. Kind of wondering if pol is just a stepping stone into a more balanced way of viewing everything in my life. It's been fun though.

>Austrian school

you're trash

Communism is for people who don't understand economics.
Value is relative, not fixed, given by multiple sources:
1) Relative scarcity
2) Level of demand
3) Actual price of manufacturing/servicing
Marx is retarded tier, it's like applying absolute monarchy in the 21th century.

Marxism is a cult religion where people worship a 150 year old book and it's author while doing rituals that they believe will lead to Utopia on earth. They suggest that they have to sacrifice a large number of people's lives for this Utopia to be created. Why does anyone think this is economic policy and not a religion.

Sounds like christianity amiright?

You don't understand economics

Neo-confederacy is a cult, a religion. The confederacy was not a real nation or respectable body, it was a terrorist ideology.

Yeah, they shut him down and even arrested him during WW2 (He was against the war, which is not surprising as he was in WW1 and saw 1000s die needlessly), they banned political uniforms and shut down his party.
He had some really good ideas and wanted to help people, you should hear some of his passionate speeches against the 'international financers' about the ways they have made kids in China and Africa slaves in sweatshops all for profit and how it is absolutely evil.

So are pedophiles alpha since that is what thrives in capitalism?

You must be retarded, so I'll try to make it simple.

The bourgeoisie = anyone with an ounce of ambition and common sense

Anyone can attain success and wealth, whether through investment in capital enterprises, to own their own business, or to BE their own means of production by selling valued services they provide.

The proletariat = niggers, a.k.a you

If you lack ambition and talent, you will not succeed in society, nor should you. It is not hard, people have made millions doing retarded things-- pic related. Both the author, and the people with retarded looking meme pets.

You are retarded and you don't understand economics if you even suggest that Marxism is relevant or correct in any way. Notice how there are zero modern Marxist economist that are taken seriously.

Marx was okay at describing the problems with capitalism, but he got the solutions all wrong. Seeing as to how we have yet to even see a Marxist socialist state appear, which is the prerequisite to a Communist society, it's become abundantly clear that Marx had no idea what he was doing.

Too much capitalism is a bad thing

Too much socialism is also a bad thing.

Maybe keeping a balance between the two is what we need.

Life is a balance between two polarities - order and chaos, male and female, Yin and Yang. Our current political system in the US is constructed to overfeed the population on one element or the other. The left can be easily manipulated through emotion and blind idealism, they have far too much Yin. The right can be easily manipulated through aggressive hatred and fear of the other, they have far too much Yang. The truth lies in being able to integrate both sides. You don't have to be a Nazi or fascist to recognize that Zionism is a problem, or that not all tradition and authority should be viewed with contempt. You don't have to be a commie or a SJW to recognize that our current economic system fucks over the many in favor of the corrupt few, or that people should be allowed to be judged on individual merit rather than the demographic trends of their entire race.

You can be anti-Zionist and still recognize the wisdom and benefits of noncorrupted Judaism. You can be "red-pilled" and understand the dynamics between the sexes without holding contempt for all women and refusing to recognize their merits, both as a group and as individuals.

Back to Yin and Yang, both the eternal Jew and the eternal woman represent the chaotic Yin element. They are subversive and chaotic in their very nature, and if this chaos element becomes too powerful and unchallenged, you get shit like Zionism and modern feminism. But not everything subversive is bad, sometimes it is the necessary element that opens up space for continuing dialogue and evolution. Likewise, there is plenty of room to respect our heritage and reward self-reliance without overdosing on Yang and devolving into a hateful fascist tyranny that chokes out all compassion and human decency that makes a humane society, or stifles the dynamic chaos that makes life exciting and worth living.

TL;DR - the red pills you find on Sup Forums can be good medicine, but make sure you don't overdose

I still haven't found anything worth of mentioning in your posts.
Soviets tried to keep the economy in tracks without understanding that prices drive all the economy.
The price signal allows you to allocate more resources and more effectively, the soviets didn't know this and frequently encountered large surpluses of worthless goods while many other consumer goods were hugely scarce.
It's the recipe for disaster.

>Problem:
Humans are greedy and take advantage of each other.
>Marxist solution:
We should put a small party of humans in charge of every aspect of the country because humans are naturally greedy and greed is bad.
>Libertarian solution:
we should have a country where humans are able to express as much greed as they want while making them liable for any negative effects towards other people caused by their greed.

Which one of these sounds reasonable to you?

>What are employee owned companies

It's Talmudic/Satanic Jewish propaganda meant to bring in the one Israeli World government. I'm begging ya to get a clue.

According to the communist;

"You do not need criticism of communism because communism provides all the answers you will ever need"

If that is not a religious view then I don't know what is.

I don't get why you faggots start shitposting about communism, it's unachievable, utopian, fucking dead. Capitalism is the shiznit that fucking works, thats it, communism is perfect in theory, never to be achieved in practice due to the nature of humanity.
P.s. fuck your equality OP, you little nigger

YUou don't understand any economics. Why should i take you seriously as a confederate though. SPLC deemed you guys a terrorist group

Third one

USSR had very little resources, and for what they did have they did a dam good job of managment. No one starved (famine was intentional), no one was unemployed, and a true meritocracy.

*upvote*

>Make fun of trannies for years with the rest of Sup Forums
>Finally decide to read a few tumblr blogs
>as I read, I slowly realize that a lot of it makes sense and that LGBTQ is redpilled as fuck
>Wanted to progress past traditionalist fascist values
>Are literally trying to save the world from out of control bigotry treating minorities like freaks
>Was trying to give minorities and fetishists basic human rights instead of forcing them to congregate on tumblr for 18 hours a day
Come on guys, chop your dicks off and make a pussy, Sup Forums has just been lying to you

Ah yes communism, where not everyone has access to what belongs to everyone.

No one likes criticism
If that isnt a human reaction I dont know what is.

Value of a product is determined by marginality, not labor. Period.

This would apply to all companies over a certain size. Democratic Industry.

=> Come on guys, chop your dicks off
W-w-what does Kek mean by this?

>USSR had very little resources
>and a true meritocracy

made my day

so thats why economists all read das kapital right?

So then what is capitalism let me remind you.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. So what is the real non satanic government?

Let me put this to you in different terms: Do you think Marxism is relevant for modern economics? If you do you are retarded. Maybe one tiny thing from Marxism is relevant but 99% has been proven incorrect or rejected for being retarded.

confederate flag = flag of the southern states. I'm from the south and like my regional identity. I also like the fact that it pisses off people I despise.

I think journalism is the last refuge for puns..
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George Soros writes a lot about Marxist economics, he's more relevant than you and your shitty ideology.

>Italian
>calling others poor.

Im from the south and the people i see flying rebel flags are not very respectable. Im just glad you can read.

>USSR had very little resources
USSR had a huge landmass that spanned two oceans and miles of continental area. This proves communism cannot work if you have all these natural resources and still can't do anything right.

It ain't up for debate kid, they've been planning it for millenia.

It's important to know your enemy, although there has never been a socialist state so it's not like Marxist economics have ever actually effected the world, but people have attempted to implement them before.

Because of the historical relevance it has. You have to understand how we got to where we are to better understand where we are going. Does reading about the Salem witch trials in school mean everyone believes in witches too.

We all read the capital only to understand how retarded can communists be.
The delusion is rooted deep in the leftist's mind.

Marx is Jewish.
Saged.

>hello there fellow anti-communists, I hate communism but I read Karl Marx and realized how BASED he is when he talks about how I deserve the returns from the investments I never made, he was literally trying to save the planet, not apply his simplistic nihilistic view of utopia

>anecdotal

stfu pun

Was Engels Jewish? Ctrl + F "Jew" on his Wiki has 0 hits.
He wrote the majority of the manifesto anyway, from what I read.

>>finally decide to read the Communist Manifesto to "know my enemy"

youtube.com/watch?v=Qpg_jw2cnlY
how about you watch this ^^^^^^^^^^

Oh really theyve really been planning it that long? Even though they supposedly control the world and have plunged it into every known war and conflict they have just been waiting to turn everyone into communist to complete their conspiracy to enslave mankind? If communism is so fundamentaly flawed then how fucking so "kid"? You have no idea what your talking about. Go back to infowars.

You should really put all the delusion aside.
Capitalism has won, period.
The system is better and works like wonder, capitalism managed to defeat world's hunger in a matter of decades to the point we should castrate niggers in order to stop their demography.