Any reason divorce should be allowed?

Any reason divorce should be allowed?

Nope
Till' Death do us part.

because women are evil

only if rape or incest

Fuck off

Henry VIII had the right idea when he expelled you catholicucks from England

Why should it be outlawed? More to the point imagine this scenario
>You have a daughter
>She marries a seemingly nice man
>He starts beating her
>Damn shame she can't get divorced
>He starts beating her kids
>Damn it sure would be swell if these kids could grow up without an abusive father

Divorce and with it alimony exist to protect women from abusive husbands. Yes the system is frequently abused but attack the abusers of the system not the system itself.

No.
Marriage in front of the government should be harder and require each party to have a certified lawyer to draw up contracts.

bitches be crazy

Yes.
>Physical abuse towards spouse or children
>adultery
>imprisonment of spouse
Anything else requires both spouses to agree.

Why does the government regulate marriage anyway? I shouldn't need permission from some bureaucrat to get married or end that marriage. I don't think that divorce is good though and it should be more shunned in society. 50% divorce rate is unbelievable but hey at least I got two Christmases.

>mfw angloniggers made a whole religion around their king being butthurt that he couldn't weasel out of his soul-binding vows

Divorce should be legal but neither party gets anything out of it except what they bought with their own money. if you own/paid for something you take it none of this lose half your shit stuff. If the woman doesn't have a job she doesn't get shit.

why the fuck would it not be allowed

>b-b-b-b-but women can abuse it
don't be a fucking retard about it and they won't

imagine getting married to a chick that turns out to be fucking insane and having no way to get her out of your life

No. But fuck either party having to give their shit away. It's a throwback to men returning dowries but since nobody gives dowries in the first world, it's pointless

Annulement of abusive, marriages.

No just get rid of divorce and force people to use their brains before they get married. If they have issues post marriage well tough. Life sucks. If we let them get a divorce then they go back onto the sexual market place with all their emotional problems and they drag other people down with them into the abyss. And then we also open up the option to steal from people by marrying and divorcing them.

Getting rid of divorce would break the left in the United States and Europe since without the ability to seperate men from women you'd see the various isms (feminism, mra, skeptics, etc) start to dry up in terms of numbers. You wouldn't have to deal with a gigantic white left culture agreeing to bring in foreigners to demographically replace you. Your women would no longer be as slutty. More men would be masculine and women feminine. Things would naturally fix themselves over a long period of time and we'd be able to use the whites voting block more effectively.

Everyone on Sup Forums should be in favor of getting rid of divorce and killing those who do support it. Everyone.

>imagine getting married to a chick that turns out to be fucking insane
Wow, it's almost like marriage is a heavy decision that you should take caution and care about who you do it with instead of doing it with the first bimbo you nail in college.

wow, it's almost like people change

Fucking got em

Divorce isn't the problem, the problem is deeper already embedded in society.

If you're so afraid of commitment then never get married. Defiling the holy union of marriage because you don't have foresight or a will is no excuse.

>not murdering someone that is beating on your daughter

Cucks these days.

or you could just prevent people from taking advantage of divorce laws instead of this backward ass shit

This. They should be put to death by a court of law.

Divorce should be made illegal.
Don't marry if you want to whore up.
Don't marry if you want get money quick schemes.
Don't marry if you want to be '''empowered'''.

We need to clean the world.

OKay. So how about for it to be illegal except extreme cases.

>Allowing a unbalance on familiar unity
>Destroying the pillars of civilization
>Desrupting human glue for society
>Helping to unmake humanity cohesion

fuck off

Roasties on husband #3; abortion is birth control, 4 kids all different colors. Old alone and dependent on the state. There should be consequences for your actions, if aren't serious don't do it. Divorce should be reserved for serious matters, like child rape, or your wife shitting out a niglet. These things are valid, not oops I don't like you anymore sorry.

I'm sorry, was it "Till Death do us part" or "Till I get tired of you or I think you change or I don't feel like being married anymore"? Like I said, if you don't like it, don't put yourself into a marriage, because you don't get what it's about. It's a lifetime decision, not a spur of the moment choice you should be able to reverse if you feel like it.

>join the honeypot

>He believes in souls
>He believes in sky magicians telling him what do in the living world

Spoken like a permavirgin

yes, let the children grow in a broken household where the parents hate each other and scream all day because they're forced to be together for no fucking reason, fucking brilliant idea

did you just come out of the middle ages or are you not aware marriage is not exclusively a religious celebration anymore, but something that carries legal consequences as well?

This, people think they can get out if every commitment now and the process of divorce makes people demonic.

If divorce were illegal, you virgins would need a new reason to hate women

>spousal abuse is an extreme case

you wish

>Marrige = Commitment Meme

Nearly half of mariges end in divorce so its not really a strong commitment. Never mind including the number that end with at least 1 member unhappy but still married.

Commitment isnt made with a few fancy words on a fancy day. Its made by hard work on a daily basis. Getting married is a fucking trap. Its meaningless. Works for women though which is why they like the idea so much.

government should have no authority in marriages to begin with.

marriage as a government institution is a jew racket to enslave men.

>If we not allow divorce, there will be SCREAMING CHILDREN
>Ignore the satanic culture that divorce and the sexual revolution created
>Ignore the fact that allowing divorces is what put us on this situation
>Ignore that the we have it so bad, we now import niggers to keep the population from diminishing

Fuck off scum, ENFORCE MORALITY WITH VIOLENCE AND FORCE.
HUMANITY COMES FIRST. COMMUNISTS COME LAST.

There is more to morality than being a boring, no personality waste of oxygen that only lives to follow the tenets a few sandpeople wrote millenia ago.

it should be allowed, but women should not be financially rewarded for it which is currently the case.

>You have a daughter
>She marries a seemingly nice man
>He starts beating her
>You smile politely and say, "thank you, Achmed, may she have another?"

Damn Swedes

You know spousal violence is actually a thing that exists you mgtow faggots. Divorce should be allowed but not rewarded

Marriage should be made illegal. Or at the minimum it should made a 5 contract that is canceled if not renewed

Why should marriage be allowed, frankly the vast majority of marriages are completely ill conceived.

Change your flag nigger, fascists advocate monogamy

monogamy doesn't mean 1 partner for your entire life, retard

Comrade Whitlam's 1975 Family Law Act that establishes no-fault divorce. That is a divorce where a matrimonial offence (i.e. adultery, cruelty or desertion) does not need to be proven. Must be repealed in order to reinstate the sanctity of the matrimonial bond.

The whole point of human civilization and all our advancements in science and social models is to ease the burden of the individual's mistakes, misjudgements, weaknesses and imperfections on himself. There's surgery for you if you're a fat fuck, so you don't have to die to a heart attack at 40. There's internet for you if you're a dumb fuck, so you don't have to memorize shit. There's abortion, absolution of sins, suspended sentences, money-back guarantees, make-up, and recovery of deleted data. Humanity has been trying really hard to figure out how to get a second chance on anything. That's the reason divorce exists, and will never not exist, no matter how hard anyone shills for that.

Not anymore because of fickle cunts like that devalue its worth by getting married, divorcing, and remarrying which has degenerated society. Do you think the fact that half of marriages end in divorce now has always been, or is it a modern phenomena?
I'm sorry, do marriage vows to this day still say "Till Death do us part" or was that changed?

It's not the gub'ment's role to enforce religious unions. If you think divorce is wrong, take it up with your God.

Kill yourself you religious piece of shit.

Any reason marriage should be anything but ceremonial/religious, or that the law should have anything to do with marriage?

Fuck your concepts of boring.
For humanity to move forward, a strong sets of morals MUST BE ENFORCED.
The decadence of our age is due to the weakness on the vigilance on those basis, that was the plan since the french revolution. With the fall of monarchies and the spread of decadent and filthy liberal democracies, humanity is just about to lose it's way, and there only anarchy ahead of us if they win.

We shouldn't allow any pocked of resistance to live, we must put THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY FIRST in every THOUGHT, ACTION and POLITICAL STATEMENT.

ENFORCE MORALITY AT ALL COSTS, WITHOUT IT WE ARE MERE BEASTS.

Yes, because without strong marriage institutions, there is no civilization at all. It's the very basis of family. Without family, there is only anarchy.

Do you want humanity to lose it's way and spark, just when we are about to unleash the miracles of technology? I prefer to get every liberal KILLED before throwing humanity in another dark ages, because we had to tolerate faggots, dykes and feminist whores. PUT HUMANITY FIRST. Our entire SPECIES is at EXISTENTIAL risk.

Why must punishment for divorce disproportionately harm men? Why not penalize both parties, and doubly so for those with children?

You've never had a girlfriend have you....

spousal or child abuse. Other than that, nope.

No contract can be made that suspends a person's inalienable rights. Marriage as a public institution should be abolished along with all contracts of a similar nature.

This
Common law marriage > today's bullshit
Divorce would be fine if alimony would just be abolished. Bitches get enough from child support anyway and those who don't have kids shouldn't have any post-marriage obligations. Adultery should also be criminalized.

You're the exact same kind of deranged lunatic that spurred the Puritans to commit their mass atrocities of the colonists in Massachusetts. I hope you fall on that holy sword of yours.

Well that is quite complex as marrige has meant all sorts of things in history, from selling your daughters for land to playing part in religion. Religion being a key part in it all.

However when it comes down to 2 individuals wanting a co-opertive relationship to better enhance their lives simply saying "I commit to a co-operative relationship" by getting married is meaningless to the actual co-operativeness of the relationship. In fact I would think it may cause some people to become lazy and put less effort into maintaining a commited relationship because they have a safety net.

I think it should be allowed but upon culmination of the divorce both parties should be made to repay every dollar of tax benefits they received from the tax payer from the time they were married to the time they divorced plus 10% interest for wasting the courts and again, the tax payers, time.

>Right
>Inalienable
Pick one and only one

Exactly. If your wife is that bad just kill her

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If you're married, if you were to suddenly die, your wife gets everything if there was no will.

Do most rubes who get married to she devils have wills?

Would this only encourage more succubi murderess' from roaming the land?

Did they had trannies back then? Did they had foreign hordes invading Europe just to unmake native white people? Did jews dominated cultural live back then? Did they had tinder? Porn? Buzzfeed?

Wow, I guess I am really the same.

We should penalize both. We should end the divorce rape laws for once.

Except man has the primarily inalienable right of his own consciousness. You can never sign away that right, even if you are put in chains. No matter what you do, another man cannot assume your will.
This is Man's Natural Law, and it follows that a Man 'owns' himself: that he has a property of his own body and mind. Because this follows deductively, the only way to refute the claim that man has a property in himself is to refute the Natural Law of Man. To do so is to deny that a man is the owner of himself- that his will is uniquely his own and that it can never be transferred.
If you do assert this, then the best I can do is refer you to Locke or Jefferson, as your deficiency is in your philosophical knowledge and not your logical ability.

Feminism, the gynocentric courts give women to much power to yield. Divorce shouldn't exist in the first place.
People who abuse their lifelong partner or child should be put to death.
Were those days any worse than the decadence of modern society?
However, in our western society, marriage historically was a lifelong union between a man and a woman as the same flesh. While the fags now are in on the action and have turned marriage into a tax exception benefit, the "Till Death do us part" section of the vows has stayed there to this day. We're not muslims or old testament jews that have marriage as a bargaining chip, this is how we got here in western civilization, and it had worked beautifully for nearly 2 millennia until the sexual revolution.

Lowered murder and domestic abuse rates.

No. Dogs and cats can't choose their owners. Neither should women.

For men, of course, ridding themselves of a wife who's become more trouble than she's worth should be as simple as dropping her off at the pound.

If she abuses your child, then sure.

Free will and freedom of association?

>Yes, because without strong marriage institutions, there is no civilization at all.

That sounds a whole lot like the "Because without strong religious institutions, there is no civilization at all" argument.

Both of which are bullshit.
You dont need a religion or marrige to have the strong morals needed to build a family and be civilized.

A persons morals is what defines their ability to build a strong family. Marrige is not the defining factor, no family is strong simply because 2 people said "I do" a few years ago. A strong relationship is made by years of work. Marrige is just something people with good morals tend to do as its part of their culture or religion.

Far worse. Unchecked aggression against those you disagree with is never acceptable. The real problem has never been the existence of degenerates, the problem has been the forced integration of those degenerates into society by the State. Rather than allowing people to segregate and engage in voluntary exchange amongst one another, the State has stepped in to force people to work among one another. The various societal ills exist because the people have not been permitted by their overlords to actually combat this cultural sickness. The people have always had the power to act as their own immune system, and the method of cleaning out the filth has always been of ostracization. This method is fully just and follows from a people's right to choose who to interact with. This has been taken from us by the State, because they desire to control our culture so that they can control our minds. They are using the same tactics the Romans used to force loyalty and integration into the Roman empire.
And you people call for a larger central authority to "force" their morals down yours and everyone's throat. I'm genuinely laughing at this one, because you Puritans just don't get it. You're experiencing exactly what you're crying for, but you just don't like the set of morals. You're experiencing what happens when a State gets huge and starts dreaming up the perfect population. You're experiencing the morality of the few being forced upon the many.
And then you chucklefucks call for a larger State. Hook, line, and sinker.

Also meant to reply to you

do you know what would happen in that scenario? Dad & Brothers would beat abusive husband to death and bury him in an unmarked grave, this was the system of checks and balances of yesteryear.

only in case of adultery

I'm not going to get into all of the complexities of freedom of association and aggression with all of the ideology, I simply compared those days with now, and I personally would rather be a puritan in those days than live in what's turned into Weimerica.
Exactly. Till Death do us part, one way or another.

Without religion we get todays America and Europe.

Stripper the most listened new artist.
Athletes promoting anti-patriotic activity.
Trannies hormones for little kids.
Racial hatred against the funders of the nation.
Foreign infiltrators promoting subversion inside everywhere.

It's even more sad, when the nations getting killed from inside, were literally the motors of mostly human achievements. Humanity is about to LOSE those motors.

There are no excuses. Either we clean ourselves, with violence and force, and enforce 300 to 500 years of moralist autocracy a return to social structures with more rigidity and hierarchy, or we just wait for death and the total destruction of the nation state and embrace the jewish world government to arrive and fuck us all forever.

Morality is the behavioral code blueprint, enforced by societal institutions. The individual views about doesn't matter at all. It's the collective transformation when it's enforced that matters. Without putting checks on ourselves, civilization is just impossible. Put it with religion, technology or violence, I care not, but enforce it already before it's too late.

Divorce =/= to getting away from an abusive spouse.

Obviously you've never been married

(Matt 19:1-12; NRSV)
When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. Large crowds followed him, and he cured them there.

Some Pharisees came to him, and to test him they asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” He said to them, “It was because you were so hard-hearted that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery.”

His disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” But he said to them, “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

Liberals, jews, homosexuals, trannies, muslims and communists are corroding the very code that made it possible for humanity to get here, the social technology that allowed the western civilization to rise up as the most advanced in the whole world.

We cannot tolerate that. It's an attack in all of humanity. No western civilization, and you would have pretty much all the humanity living in the dark ages now. No one else would have stepped it up and made the progresses we did. We must preserve ourselves in order to preserve humanity. You know in your heart this to be true.
It's a battle for existence, for the future of the human race in a dignified realm or in a realm of pure FILTH and bestial habits.

That's fine, though all you're really doing is trading tyrannical overlords for tyrannical overlords. The Puritan way of life is nothing to be admired. They were very strict, and things such as 'free time' were literally outlawed. At any moment their corrupt establishment could come down upon your head if you had a different idea as to what was right or wrong, and they had no qualms with either exiling you into the frozen tundra or executing you.
Actually read into how the Puritan government operated. If you're interested in further study, check out Conceived in Liberty, volume 1, part 3, chapter 20, "The Puritans "Purify": Theocracy in Massachusetts"
It's an excellent dissection of the Puritan way of governance, their morals, and their actions.

It was a lifelong union in word only. Thats all marrige is, a statement to work together.

Marrige isnt a means to an end. The end being a good civilization. We got where we are today by following a culture that had good morals. We followed a culture that believed that 2 people should work together to create a life for themselves and for their children. Marrige was just a way for the two individuals to make the statement that they have decided to work together and act to implament this culture.

What I am trying to say is its not two people stating that they will work together to improve civilization which has givenus our glorious western world but the actions they took. Which can be taken reguardless of making a statement or not.

It's not a question of whether either of them is a particularly good society to live in, it's which one is less worse. I'll definitely check out the book though.

Remove alimony and all the other bullshit around a divorce and it's fine.

Divorce prevents spousal abuse and murder.

Not if they have kids, punish them for toying with the souls of the little ones. No kids should be able to divorce for free...

One's word is their bond. Civilization was built on marriage and loyalty to partners. We got to where we are today, all the depravity and decadence which is allowed in the mainstream, through feminism and secularism. Before that, it was religion, particularly Christianity in the West that gave a foundation for those good morals and cooperation between man and woman. In the 1960s, when the US decided it was not important to have Christianity as the guiding light and feminism began taking dominance, that foundation began to crumble, and over the last 50 years we've been seeing the skyscraper that is the West slowly topple over. Woman decided they didn't need man, and that was the beginning of the end.

A marriage is not suppose to be a gf/bf relationship. It should be for LIFE. Don't take it for granted.

Soon Brother.

It all started with the FED in the 1910's getting ahold of america ...

I now think Russians allowed their CCCP empire to fall, because they wanted to infiltrate america from within and to kill from ideological poison. I guess they are just about to get their revenge. Probably two or three elections away before things get violent and totally ruined forever.

And religion is really just a code of morals where you get punished by some divine creator for not following those morals.

If humans literally cannot live in a civilized manner without having a fear of some holy punishment then I feel sorry for us. I would hope we can live in a way that our own volition brings good times. And we can.

Anyway religion has been on a decline for the past few hundred years (or at least how many of a religions morals are being followed) and as far as I can see its the past few hundred years that civilization has really been taking off.

Life with religion isnt exactly good either, religion can bring war and chaos like the witch hunts.

I would rather live in a world where our morals are defined by the want to live a productive life. Where we have a code not defined and judged by a god. Culture is the key, not religion.

abusive relationship if it can be proved in court.

Simple, just reverse no-fault divorce and you will see people sticking through it as an institution rather than just a convenience.

I don't think divorce should be allowed, this would eventually cause women to stay away from abusive people like niggers which is nice

i'm joining the military, this is what i was planning before getting married. i'll even pay for her lawyer.
clauses include pushing out at least 7 kids and raising them to 18 before even thinking of seeing alimony