How will a Socialist revolution defeat consumerism?

The biggest advantage capitalism has over any potential socialist revolution anywhere is that it throws an unbelievable amount of gadgets and entertainment at people. There is a good reason that both Cuba and the DPRK are trying to offer their citizens more and more western-style means of consumption (you can watch Frozen in the DPRK and they recently distributed smartphones due to a collaboration with an Egyptian producer): Because they very well know that the biggest threat isn't a desire for western liberal democracy but the lack of available means to engage in leisure activity and entertainment.
This wasn't a problem for the socialist bloc in the 60s or 70s. Yes there was Hollywood, yes there was Hard Rock and dozens of ice cream flavors. But there wasn't the Internet, there wasn't the same amount of narcissistic self-realization through commodified social networks. Today, people know very well that they won't ever be able afford to ride a Ferrari or make a party trip to St. Tropez, but it's not that - it's simply the desire to be part of the global in-group, to see which new fashions trend on Instagram or to be able to talk to your coworkers about how the last Game of Thrones episode was. Who cares about a shitty job and some pending bills or dreadful politics? Next week is Comic Con or the Burning Man Festival.
Now, if we look at Cuba or the DPRK, or just imagine any socialist revolution in future, it probably will be boycotted, sanctioned and attacked by the capitalist world. All the entertainment consumption industry, the 8956 flavors of nachos or the availability of some fancy cocktail recipes online, would be gone. I'd imagine that the young people would not support you for long. I believe this was the main problem for Deng as well. He thought after a decade of Cultural Revolution we may as well just allow some capitalism to build up productive forces without people turning back to commodity fetishism and consumerism.

Well, today the Chinese are amongst the most consumerist and materialist (not in a Marxist way) cunts on the planet.


BTW: no need for nazis to come into this thread, not that more than two sentences being in the OP wouldn't have already scared you off

Have you read this book OP?

I think that people would vote on the internet what to be produced in the planned economy (democratic planned economy), if people vote to have 8956 nacho flavors and it is possible given the resources available, all this data processed in real-time with supercomputers to plan the whole socialist economy.

Hey, it's you again. You never told me if you considered The Gulag Archipelago a fanfiction or an erotic novel.

China's really starting to grow up it seems. Give em 15 years and they'll be the most Christian nation in the world. Why is it that Atheists, who lack God, seek to empower the government to become their de-facto god?

did you know that Italian Fascism was supposed to be a New Marxism, and Mussolini & Lenin were good friends?

leave this thread please, this is not a place for debate this is a place for dialectic

thank you, I'll add this to my reading list

i don't even care about all these deaths desu

you should have kept religion alone and not destroy all the churches and sold their property to outside bankers

THIS IS A PLACE FOR DIALECTICS NOT DEBATES

>dialectics
Communism has already been proven to be the most disastrous idea ever conceived by a human being. The spanish flu and being struck by meteors is less destructive.

Well done, OP. Just keep going and finally you will realize that capitalism beats lefties literally everywhere.

and that point is not up for debate, for it is objective fact.

Your problem lies in the fact that your ideology is antiquited. If you are trying to compete against anything "new" you need to rebrand it. However that will only get you so far.

People want an "in-group", and that is why groups tend to form naturally along skin color, trends, hobbies etc. If you wanted to bring about communism you would first need to inject that idea into an already established in-group. Then another, and then another. Once all these in-groups are communist, then you can figure out the bigger picture of bringing them together.

I'm ready to try again.

what is wrong with you??? your entire country is great due primarily to communism. I would kill to get a chance to be a member of the vietcong

>commie not pleased with dissent
Color me shocked.

Actually I am a Russian. Btw Vietnam would have been much more better place if the commies were kicked out in 60s. Kinda modern South Korea

Easy thing to say when you know it's other people's asses on the line. Can we just do the 'shoot the intellectuals and revolutionaries' part of communism and skip the rest?

Also, the only reason I seek to help you is to increase your hope in a failed ideology. That way when you crash and burn, the shock of it's effects will sting more.

The cool thing about Communists in Vietnam is their decisive nature to strap bombs to their own unsuspecting children!

You can see this is failing with groups like BLM and Antifa as their ideologies do not exactly coincide with each other. Figure out how to get the smaller in-group on the same page, and then bring them together.

Commies killed many of my family for not showing up to Kirov's funeral.

Thanks bro.

Wrong, it's capable of doing such things because it's a workable system, socialism is not