Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
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Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
Can anyone provide a good critique of historical materialism? Preferable not a pdf to download, and are there fascist alternatives to hm which argue that nations will eventually become fascist like what hm does to argue nations will eventually become communist? And what is the fascist view of history >oswald mosely Hello [spoiler] is this the mosely lad from /gsg/? [/spoiler]
Jaxson Taylor
wew forgot spoilers aren't on Sup Forums
Connor Carter
I've read somewhere that (i think it was) Mussolini who said that Stalin was actually an east slavic fascist (in practise ofc)
Liam Long
become a better orator
Evan Anderson
Isn't strasserism more like left wing socialism?
Hunter Harris
Jonathan Bowden did a talk on the Italian writer Gabriele D'Annunzio who influenced the aesthetics of Italian Fascism:
this general always had difficulties staying alive. Sup Forums is for silly bait threads and larping. Making this a regular thing would be nice though
Jackson Martinez
Oh, well you have to explain to people what fascism really is and have people look past what the (((mainstream media))) says. Social media is good to fix the image problem. Public schools are a problem too, they paint fascism as bad. Schools need to be reformed.
Easton Barnes
Of course man, bait threads and BLACKED threads get 100+ replies, while actual threads like this barely get any replies
I listen to this speech daily and know it by heart. How do we get leaders like this in present day?
Eli Smith
Have males who aren't beta cucks
John Harris
wrong question how do I get this question answered? I even made a thread from it and the replies are just people telling me to fuck off
Easton King
you dont
Adam Powell
give it a new name
Levi Hill
>/fsg/ >not based /fag/
Missed opportunity.
Julian Bennett
You guys feel like making out? Getting gay?
Anyone here wanna get gay?
Nolan Robinson
Presentation is everything. Look how everyone masturbates over the Nazis uniforms.
If a new party rose with a fresh look and symbol, people would be easily convinced.
Too bad you have skinheads with oversized camo pants and unpolished boots to ruin it.
Aaron Lewis
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David Ross
The nordic front guys are doing pretty well with their green flag. It's fashy yet something that could draw support from the mainstream. Another big pro is that they use high quality flags, many of these "neo-nazi" groups use flags bought from aliexpress or some cheap website, with fold-lines still visible.
I also think the plain black clothes are okay. In some marches they wear these cheap white shirts which kind of ruins it though.
Though some of the guys are still skinheads, that look has been completely ruined and will never ever inspire an actual movement, in my group that stuff would be banned.
Luis Thomas
Anyone here have resources on Natural Law and the Logos in relation to fascism?
Wyatt Hernandez
Our parties these days are branded as "Far-Right", "Right-Wing Populist" or "Alt-Right".
What do you think our movement should be called?
Charles Bell
This is really a fight you can't win, alt-right got "invented" for that very purpose, but see what it means now.
Brayden Brooks
fascism isnt right wing. Its a call to action
Julian Williams
Yeah here most nationalist movements slap on a swastika. As if that in any way will attract people who care for the movement and not just criminals and low lifes.
Daniel Bell
Some of us prefer having a shaved head. Plus, it looks better than slowly balding. Doesn't mean we are/still are skinheads.
Brayden Hernandez
can literally none of you answer this? Did you all become political through Sup Forums memes and infographs?
Sebastian Edwards
That's one thing I have to give Matthew Heimbach. At least he uses a different symbol for the Traditionalist Workers Party. This should be obvious for any American movement but sadly it isn't.
Austin Anderson
Are Strasserites welcome?
Liam Long
Nvm, just read the message
John Perry
nice finally a tread for non natsoc fascists. do you think monarchy is a good alternative for fascism? the are very similar aka(imperial japan)
Nolan Jenkins
fsg has been around for a while, its certainly not new.
Isaac Price
Mosley was a national (or european) socialist though,
Kayden Gonzalez
He identified as a Fascist and supported a Corporatist model, his version of Fascism would just encompassed Europe in its entirety, mostly as a result of post-WW2 historical circumstances.
Jordan Ross
>fsg has been around for a while, its certainly not new.
i must have never seen it but yeah i don't lurk on Sup Forums that much anymore. as far as i know mosley wanted to keep the king and the monarchy since it's british culture but strip away some of tere power.
Luis Ward
>He identified as a Fascist and supported a Corporatist model,
i wonder how mussolini and mosley would fare if the axis won the war or if mosley was never chased from britian tere economic policies are quite different.
Easton Wood
See
Brody Martin
Quite similar to early Mussolini in this regard, though I'm having trouble believing that his expressed support for the Monarchy was anything other than a means to get popular support from typical nationalist-leaning Brits, most of whom were and still are pro-Monarchy, at least in England.
Jeremiah Green
strange isn't it? just like nivelle chamberlain mosley actualy wanted to avoid another war a treu shame he was exiled from britian.
instead the fat bastard churchill won.
Bentley Kelly
>This handsome son of Rome covers your gf in his coat and starts telling her about Jesus Christ and Romanian Fascism What do, Sup Forums?
Adrian Jackson
>Quite similar to early Mussolini in this regard,
well mussolini used to be a socialist before inventing fascism thats why his system of governance had some syndicalist elements in it.
also he was a lot more lax on race then hitler.
William Morgan
is that codreanu?
Aiden Nelson
>Image problem Never. Fascism is solidified into the minds of the lumpenprol as being an idealogy hell bent on world conquest. The only way to make fascist idealogies relevant again is to tell people the truth about fascism
Oliver Allen
Yes?
Daniel Foster
Well really the monarchy had some fascist sympathies, especially in Edward VIII. I doubt they would've tried to hinder Mosley anyway.
Grayson Hall
That's his girl now
Isaiah Myers
Mortal men Immortal Idea
Ian Gomez
ya
Thomas Richardson
do you really need to ask? I geuss rexism was the closest to a "fascist monarchy".
Luke Adams
Classical Fascism is quite literally a form of Syndicalism if you ask me. An evolution of Syndicalism, perhaps, that rejects the notion of class struggle. NatSynd falange lied in the intermediate between Corporatism and Strasser type Natsocs.
Jordan Bailey
well usually when people hear fascism the think about the big scary gubberment and the gestapo/secret police.
the proles are brainwashed the never hear any truth or have read any books about the fascist doctrine and why it existed in the first place if we can teach that then fascism will lose a lot of it's bagage. just wanted to refresh my historical knowledge has been a while since i lurked.
Jordan Howard
The same could be said for Italy, but its influence eventually proved destructive. One would think that Mosley would have learned from Mussolini's mistake.
John Cox
Post your favorite anti-egalitarian red pills
>I will simply point out the error of principle that has provided the foundation of this constitution and that has led the French astray since the first moment of their revolution. >The constitution of 1795, like its predecessors, has been drawn up for Man. Now, there is no such thing in the world as Man. In the course of my life, I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, etc.; I am even aware, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be a Persian. But, as for Man, I declare that I have never met him in my life. If he exists, I certainly have no knowledge of him.
>....This constitution is capable of being applied to all human communities from China to Geneva. But a constitution which is made for all nations is made for none: it is a pure abstraction, a school exercise whose purpose is to exercise the mind in accordance with a hypothetical ideal, and which ought to be addressed to Man, in the imaginary places which he inhabits....
>What is a constitution? Is it not the solution to the following problem: to find the laws that are fitting for a particular nation, given its population, its customs, its religion, its geographical situation, its political relations, its wealth, and its good and bad qualities?
>Now, this problem is not addressed at all by the Constitution of 1795, which is concerned only with Man."
Kevin Edwards
>Classical Fascism is quite literally a form of Syndicalism if you ask me.
yeah but agian it kind of depends fascism is a very loose term to describe any thing from nazbol to classical fascism to natsoc. but classical fascism the way mussolini described it has syndicalist elements and inspiration in it thats treu.
Carter Ross
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Alexander Garcia
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Eli Green
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Cameron Roberts
>Post your favorite anti-egalitarian red pills
nah not needed look at any fascist country like libya and iran fascist spain the managed to turn it from a shithole to a functional state in a few years libya being the most successful country in africa at it's peak. we need to tackle degeneration and usury first race later.
why can't we do the same thing for niggers?
Evan Perez
What can be said with a degree of certainty is that Syndicalism, specifically as espoused by Sorel, is the basis of all movements that have ever been considered Fascist, from Strasser to Mussolini
Jack Rivera
bedankt voor de citaties based holland.
>What can be said with a degree of certainty is that Syndicalism, specifically as espoused by Sorel, is the basis of all movements that have ever been considered Fascist, from Strasser to Mussolini
yep thats treu but agian being a fascist these days can be mean having critique of democracy the word kind of lost it's meaning.
Jeremiah Collins
4 months ago i started my own group after i started radicalizing people around me. Now we have 27 official members and we started our own official meetings. I started recruiting people from different branches. These winter months i will try get some footbal hooliganshere in Silesia which some of them could be good material for future expantion of our group. Our meetings are now in local saloon. For now we even dont have final political definition and signs but it will come in future. I even started meet some catholics which i want redpill on neomarxism and islamization. Many people and friends left me after i changed my mind and my actions on some serious questions.
Gabriel Mitchell
>why can't we do the same thing for niggers? Well first of all, Libya and Iran's core population is Caucasian , Berbers in Libya and Persians in Iran. The problem it finding and promoting national unity between different racial and religious groups is an impossible one, although I would agree that if fascism comes back into the mainstream it needs to be an economic revolution more than anything else. Neo-liberalism is what's killing the western world
Jayden Baker
>i will try get some footbal hooliganshere in Silesia
don't recruit hooligans or skinheads mate tere degenerate and only give genuine fascist a bad name even in most fasist states these kinds of people whe're used only as shock troops (antifa) and blackshirts.
Michael Baker
Good work, user. Try getting into local government if you can. I'd like to see a Chilean version of the Golden Dawn in my lifetime.
Ryan Myers
>The problem it finding and promoting national unity between different racial and religious groups is an impossible one,
thats treu to an extent but as seen by neo fascist states like singapore you can do it the problem is when the reach a certain threshold in the population then multiculturalism starts to happen and the decline happens.
>agree that if fascism comes back into the mainstream it needs to be an economic revolution more than anything else.
almost every single fascist state was construct in the event of an economic disaster spain/weimar/iran/ ect..
Asher Barnes
Just watching an interview of Mosley in 1975. Might be of interest.
>I'd like to see a Chilean version of the Golden Dawn i
he's a czech not a chilean.
Charles Lewis
thanks user.
Jordan Anderson
Sometimes im listening Ilias Kasidiaris. They have some good ideas also im czech from Silesia which believes in further separation from Prague and Western Bohemia.Certainly i will try form or join to public life in my region in next years.
Vid related is one of his best interviews. Notice that his fame precedes him, so much so that even the kike conducting the interview is forced to acknowledge the greatness of his past political achievements and their meaning for the British nation.
Jason White
Thanks for that
James Edwards
Ah yes, my mistake Good to hear. It's best to try and concentrate your power in certain pockets of the country that sectionalizes it as well. If you start making break through in one particular part of the country, then you need to concentrate your influence there as much as possible, then get elected to some local offices and form your own party.
What is the state of identarianism in your country? You might try and seek out wherever they are known to be as well
Jordan Cooper
Also, on a less political note, the anthems of the Golden Dawn are impressive youtu.be/C7oeWqkRBWs
Jaxon Morales
At some point you're going to have to appeal to the prols, user. Not all football hooligans are skinheads either, some of them are just people filled with nationalistic pride
It has to be said that Golden Dawn is absolutely retarded, however. I'd much rather they were not, and I somewhat understand foreigners for admiring them, as one has to know Greek to fully comprehend their incompetence, but it is an unfortunate truth. I used hang out with the niece of their leader, and I have a fair amount of insight on their upper echelons. They know not what Fascism is, and barely have any insight on society and economics beyond skinhead-tier slogans.
Leo Carter
I know Mussolini read Nietzsche but explain why you consider him a fascist please
Carter Clark
For top tier Greek Fascists, check out "mauros krinos".
Thomas Lee
Pretty sure they meant to reference it >Upper echelons >I hung out with one of the major party member's niece and her friends
Although you are right, I've never seen the Golden Dawn of having a central intelligentsia behind it other than ultra-nationalism. Surely the members of Parliament are more articulate than their supporters, though?
Brody Lopez
Looks interesting, thanks
Jaxon Ross
Nietzsche is more important because he influenced fascists. I don't think Nietzsche himself was a fascist and would've likely rejected the title. Usually every fascist leader was very familiar with his works even if he influenced some more than others.
Jordan Hughes
He wasnt fascist, he wasn't even a nationalist, but his theories are important in understanding fascist philisophy, especially the will to power and his denial of nihilism and liberalism as being the future of the western world.
Samuel Ward
>I've never seen the Golden Dawn of having a central intelligentsia behind it other than ultra-nationalism.
That's entirely correct.
>Surely the members of Parliament are more articulate than their supporters, though?
They are not, surprisingly enough. It is one of the main contributing factors to their fall in popularity throughout the last 2 elections. They just fetishize the aesthetics of the 3rd Reich over an empty ultranationalist rhetoric.
For actual Greek Fascist movements, one should check out Mavros Krinos. They lean towards Strasserism, but they are more Fascist than Golden Dawn could ever hope to be, and even translated several works of Mosley, Strasser and Cordeanu into Greek for the very first time. They are still quite small though.
Dylan Hughes
>Meme futurism care to explain??
David Moore
Yeah I can see how he influenced fascism. What is funny is how modern nu-left and postmodernism is also somewhat based on Nietzsche. I guess one thing fascists and modern leftist faggots have in common is the rejection of christian morality
Xavier Gonzalez
my reading reccomendation for you folks: runaway horses, for which you first need to read spring snow
Michael King
>Fascism rejects Christian morality >Rexists, Iron Guard, Vichy France, and the Falange were anti-Christian What did he mean by this?
>Post modernism began with Nietzche I would argue Kierkegaard gets into Existentialism as well. But yes, Nietzche was a major contributor to modernism and post modernism, as well as fascism.
Adrian Martin
Well, at the very least the Golden Dawn exposes people to an introduction to fascist dialectic. Hopefully someone more competent will step up
Daniel Wright
Anyone have any books related to fascist speeches?
Caleb Lee
>What did he mean by this? Yeah I see your point, fascists were never anticlerical even though Mussolini had tough relationship with the Church. The rejection of christian morality and God doesn't neccessary mean you don't see the value of the Church and organized religion. The anti-religion niche at the time was already taken by the left anyway. If fascism was to reemerge in modern times I'm positive it would be atheistic but not anticlerical.
Mason Gomez
"Diary of the will" has Mussolini's speeches but I can't find it translated to English
Owen Young
>If fascism was to reemerge in modern times I'm positive it would be atheistic but not anticlerical. It would depend on the form of fascism, which is supposed subjective to the conditions of a nation and what it requires to gain national unity. I can imagine athiesm being popular in certain hypothetical scenarios I can see it becoming Christian as well. In Poland it would certainly be Christian , at least that would be my guess.
