Transsexuality Explained and Q&A from someone who studies Sexual Dimorphism

It's a natural recurring phenomena within all sexual dimorphic species. People who are transsexual tend to share neurological structure (brain) that doesn't align with their morphological structure (body).

You could ask: Why don't we "fix" their neurology?

I have two points against that, a scientific fact and philosophical question

Phi: Would it be ethical to change the state in which a living being perceives themselves when the characteristic being changed is one already shared by 50% of our population?

Sci: We're far better at transitioning morphological sex and we're only getting better, relatively soon all transsexuals will be 100% accurate, even to the chromosomal level, to their cissexual counterparts. Whereas we are nowhere near the understanding or capability of effectively altering neural behavior.

Transsexuals are unfortunate souls born in an unfortunate time scientifically but it was a lot worst 100 years ago and there is no reason we should add to the stress of that.

Transsexuals have to put a lot of effort it to reaching a basic level most people are empowered with naturally. I'm not asking you to have sex with someone you don't find physically attractive, I'm asking of you to not demonize an already marginalized group.

The demand for sex change has also pioneered understanding and application of medical procedures used by all people so yes, transsexual existence has enriched us.

I know this is Sup Forums and Sup Forums and I will get reactive posturing but I hope some of you take this away today and internalize it and make at least one individuals life less shit

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>We will use the meat from one person to build a completely different person

Pro-trannies means soylent green

Trannies make people sick to their stomachs. Its a gut reaction. Everyday I like to believe that we're moving one step closer to the tranny holocaust. So by all means keep attempting to normalize this.

What's the point of sex change if they'll kill themselves anyway?

What makes you think you can decide your gender?

Should trans compete in sports in their "new" identity? If yes, are you already aware of what's happened in those sports?

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No, they're the same person, their sex characteristics have just been converted. There's a reason males have nipples and a perineal raphe. We're already an inherently intersex species.

People having a gut reaction against the earth not being the center of the universe was also a thing and that trains travel would cause people to spontaneously combust.

The "40% attempted suicide" study which is often cited was not measuring transsexual suicide rates and the person who did the study has dissavowed this myth.
40% of Trans people had attempted suicide in their life pre-op and post-op it was still a fact that in their life they had attempted suicide. It didn't measure whether they did afterwards.

It would depend on whether they went through male puberty or not.

That study only measured the size and matter of the brain, not the neurology.

>tfw too smart to be a man

Men and women are biologically different in every cell of their body. To put a man into a woman's shape would completely change they are retard. It would be a completely new person.

It would be infinitely easier to change the brain area that's causing mental illness.

> People who are transsexual tend to share neurological structure (brain) that doesn't align with their morphological structure (body).

But people are suffering from transgender disorder not transexuality. Gender changes relative to cultural norms (inb4 it's socially constructed therefore it doesn't exist)
As a result transgender individuals express themselves by attempting to conform to the stereotyped gender roles of the society they are socialised into.
It's also interesting that as transgender issues become more mainstream more people "become" transgender. Transgender, much like gender is part of a process of socialisation.
But this claim that there is a male and female brain and transexuality is caused by biological reasons seems stretched when most people with gender dysphoria are only reflecting social norms in this sense of playing out the social role of the opposite gender of their society.

>gender is a social construct.
>people are born trasngender.

Yeah i accept that some people have 'male' brains stuck in a female body and so forth. But i dont believe that mutilating the body is the way to go - it's akin to drilling the hole in the skull to 'let the demons out'.

It's a retarded practise that is based on jewish fairy tales and not actual science.

The brain needs fixing, the body is fine. And no we are not going to make trannies equal to normal people on a chromosomal level, that's fucking retarded and impossible.

Here let me asnwer your question with green text.

>trannies are disgusting animals that suffer a mental illness.

/thread

Just to state, I am not a feminist and I don't believe in the concept of gender as something which can be divorced from biology separate to sex.

Male & Female elements both share the same common ancestor (basic mitosis), as I said, we are an inherently intersexual species when compared to others such as the cattlefish.

Gender theory was created in reaction to biological determinism and they did not have the means to scientifically prove it. Gender is a fiction entirely created by the field of sociology, a leap of faith, to fill the gaps they did not understand. We are a species which mates through visuals cues and all these "social roles" as you put it are actually expressions of biological fact in a very similar way to how other animals express mating rituals. This becomes very simple to understand once you remember that humans are animals and that we are subject to the same natural laws as all other species. A man buying a rolex or a ferrari or getting /fit/ is no different to a peacock showing off it's feathers in a cosmological sense.

The brain is a far more complicated system to change and no assertion I have made on the realities of future transsexual surgery is false.

You can't /thread yourself faggot.

Thoughts that the introduction of chemicals and powerful xenoestrogens like BPA, atrazine, and phthalates to a developing fetus causes parts of them to develop "more female"?

You can find entire communities that've been terribly polluted that remarkably have almost a 100% female birthrate. What are the odds fetuses are getting changed from male to female, but only partially?
youtube.com/watch?v=FTwHVwMY4zQ

It's a good point you make, maybe I didn't put my point across well enough. My point is that gender is biological sex reflected in human society. As human societies differ across the world then gender will also differ slightly but most societies recognise two genders as reflections of two biological sexes.

>A man buying a rolex or a ferrari or getting /fit/ is no different to a peacock showing off it's feathers in a cosmological sense.

I think this is a good point. But men in different societies do different things to attract mates, so it shows that transgender people are created by socialisation not biology. If transgender was biological it would manifest itself uniformly across societies but transgender individuals only reflect what they "feel" is a woman from their own society.
Some societies push individuals toward being transgender because they are incapable of filling that societies role as a man.

An extreme example of this is Iran:
bbc.com/news/magazine-29832690

sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-disappearing-male-a-pinch-of-science-a-pound-of-speculation/

This article is a great write-up on the problems with this documentary. It essentially took a minute phenomena and one of many competing theories to explain it and expanded it into a 3-act alarmist drama.
This is the flaw with people getting educated on issues such as these. Arguments are weighted on how much many they can generate, not merit.

>someone who studies Sexual Dimorphism

In other words someone who looks at the data and interprets it to confirm your biases.

I don't care if someone believes this but the pro-trans hasn't stopped at tolerance or acceptance. You can say "slippery slope" all you want but the shifting in narrative from "if you don't tolerate transpeople, you're a bigot" to "if you won't date or have sex with a MtF as a straight person, you're a bigot" says otherwise.

when will you kys?

The aesthetics of how we express our sexual identity is down to our ability to see patterns and understand what is abstract to us but the root biological cause is universal.

Would you would agree that when a male in continental Europe builds up capital to buy a Rolex and that when a male in central Africa raises his status within his community to receive a tattoo of a river god that they are essentially fulfilling the same biological impulse to increase their value as a mate to the female sex?

Riley Dennis is wrong, I don't agree with her (inb4 >her) but those who re-actively take the diametrically opposed view of an absolute wrong do not fall within absolute right. Truth is nuanced and can't be painted in broad brush strokes. SJWs have a stranglehold over the truth of transsexuality in the same way the far-right has power over the truth of white poverty and they don't have any respect for it, they only use and abuse it for political capital.

oh fuck off already, freak
get a life

well that really doesn't matter at this point. the SJWs own transgenderism and any saneness to be found within it will quickly be suppressed by Riley Dennis types and their views will be the "truths" being pushed by the left.

>People who are transsexual tend to share neurological structure (brain) that doesn't align with their morphological structure (body).
this isn't true faggot. stopped reading here you're fucking retarded.

>Would it be ethical to change the state in which a living being perceives themselves
ya when it doesn't match reality you faggot.

>It's a natural recurring phenomena within all sexual dimorphic species. People who are transsexual tend to share neurological structure (brain) that doesn't align with their morphological structure (body).
That's pretty much impossible. Male brains wouldn't fit inside a woman's body, for starters. Every single cell will still have XY or XX chromosomes.

;people born with penises will never know what its like to be a woman. they say they become a woman, but in reality they're just acting like a caricature of a woman. its patronizing desu

Not trying to discuss validity of the film, just included it. I've never looked up anything against it before.
I'm mostly asking for your thoughts on the possibility of male brain development being influenced by excess female hormones (or chemicals playing the role of) while still laying the groundwork for their growth.
It's been shown that these chemicals have, vaguely, "some kind of effect to some amount" on adults, and it's known that sex hormones are a part of a fetus' development. While they aren't exactly the required hormone, the fact that the body treats them as such, and that they clearly target sex organs in their effects should be a point of interest.

We're reaching a next stage in the propaganda, they have the nerve to shift from basic agitprop to elaborate subversion material that assume the basic agitprop is integrated by everybody: "since we can now all agree that transgender people are normal, numerous and important, fellow normies, let's talk about them and how SCIENCE has made such amazing progress!"

Just fuck off, OP. Take your canned lines back to whatever hellhole you've crawled out of and never come back. These poor things need to be put in a place where they can do no harm to themselves and other, and you and your fellow freaks, you need to stay away from our kids. Got me?

Way off base shitstain. Hormone imbalances caused by a toxic environment. It's happened to frogs and is happening to us now. Nothing normal about it, not a wiring in the brain issue at all. Stop trying to normalize it. We fix it with right diet and exercise. Fuck off and die.

Sure mate but dont start the xer xim xey fascism and how i must assume you afe they by default and all that fascism that is now legislature in canada just chop your dick off and dont invade my privacy if that is whats your thing

>Transsexuals have to put a lot of effort it to reaching a basic level most people are empowered with naturally. I'm not asking you to have sex with someone you don't find physically attractive, I'm asking of you to not demonize an already marginalized group.

Stop your nonsense of trying to normalize an aberration. These people were born as retarded as gays and, well, other mentally retarded people.

Aberration is abnormal and should not be introduced or accepted in society.

>well that really doesn't matter at this point. the SJWs own transgenderism and any saneness to be found within it will quickly be suppressed by Riley Dennis types and their views will be the "truths" being pushed by the left.

There was a time in our own nations where someone would be lynched for putting across the very truth that monarchs don't have divine authority and here we our today, SJWs are nothing compared to that. Don't be a defeatist.

>even to the chromosomal level

Your argument is that it's natural because 50% of folks are the actual gender the freak thinks it is and it's natural because science can make freaks look believable? Fuck off faggot

>You could ask: Why don't we "fix" their neurology?

a quik 8mm lead injection in the frontal cranium should do just fine.

>enriched us

>relatively soon all transsexuals will be 100% accurate, even to the chromosomal level.

If you're talking about replacing the chromosomes in every cell of the body then how is that any less complicated than fixing the brain.

We try to modify maladaptive behavior all the time, and we're not even sure whether it's the entirety of the sexual dimorphic part of the brain that's the wrong sex, or just some parts.

Human introspection is blind to a lot of the processes that are going on in the brain/body so to trust the transsexual person's perception about how much of their being is the "wrong sex" seems inadvisable.

> dumb

>It's a natural recurring phenomena within all sexual dimorphic species.
it's not nearly as common as in other species, it is in fact often artificial and has no reason to be treated any different than a malformation in any case.

>People who are transsexual tend to share neurological structure (brain) that doesn't align with their morphological structure (body).
wrong, the structure of the brain is for the most part the same, on top of being one of the most plastic organs we possess; any problem the ill has can be either linked to a physiological imbalance or a psychological one, with the first having both internal and external causes and the second only external ones.

>Phi: Would it be ethical to change the state in which a living being perceives themselves when the characteristic being changed is one already shared by 50% of our population?
no, because the person in question perceives itself the wrong way due to its illness

>Sci: We're far better at transitioning morphological sex and we're only getting better, relatively soon all transsexuals will be 100% accurate, even to the chromosomal level, to their cissexual counterparts. Whereas we are nowhere near the understanding or capability of effectively altering neural behavior.
wrong, it's factually easier to solve a person's psychological issues, behavioural patterns and and hormonal imbalances than it is to transplant alien organs in a body not fit for them or straight up alter the person's genome.

>I'm not asking you to have sex with someone you don't find physically attractive, I'm asking of you to not demonize an already marginalized group.
but they are objectively ill and often subjectively disgusting; demonizing a demon is not wrong.

>transsexual existence has enriched us.
at the cost of convincing both ill and sane people to treat themselves with unnecessary surgery and treatments with often destructive and irreversible consequences.

>relatively soon all transsexuals will be 100% accurate, even to the chromosomal level, to their cissexual counterparts.

>scientific fact

get right the fuck out

Their perception of themselves is based on a biological reality.

Woman and man are ideals. Male & Female is fact. Someone with female neurology certainly knows what it is like to have female biological prerogative.

It certainly is a point of interest but we shouldn't be jumping the gun until we have full understanding of the matter. What we know is that sexual dissonance is universal in dimorphic animals with or without these externalizations.

Okay Alex.

Every single human has some sort of aberration, there is no ideal human, evolution is an indifferent process which works through trial and error. Because Sally would rather a Chad over the likes of you would you be a disgusting abnormality?

>Woman and man are ideals.
No. A woman is an adult human female, a man is an adult human male.
Also if MtF trannies have feminine brains, then why do so many of them have masculine interests? Stuff like programming, video games, military shit, porn etc. I've also read somewhere that MtF trannies have the same criminal risk as normal men.

Changing chromosomes has a working theory but the application process on a living mammal is not there yet, it will probably be the last morphological characteristic that can be converted since there are some systems we will be able to bypass to allow for fertility.

You are starting your argument from the position of personal bias and placing your own value judgement as negative truth.

(((Gender disphoria))) is so normal and natural that 40% just kill themselves. Wow great, this sure is something we want in our society.

Anyone can find a study at ImRight.com but there's no widely critiqued and accepted peer reviewed study that shows what you're claiming. Men and women like all sorts of shit and you've got a confirmation bias to ignore that and only point out when trans people break the mold.

>You are starting your argument from the position of personal bias and placing your own value judgement as negative truth.
Tell me what about what I've written is wrong then.

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
I haven't read it fully yet, but:
>Second, regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime.

>Men and women like all sorts of shit and you've got a confirmation bias to ignore that and only point out when trans people break the mold.
You have to admit that certain interests are heavily male dominated, and they tend to have a disproportionate amount of MtF trannies that are also into them. It's not just me, many of others have asked why interests like gaming, military, STEM and the like have so many trannies.

people who undergo sexual reassignment surgery commit suicide at staggering rates

pretty sure that undermines your entire post

post proof pls

the rate of suicide is significantly lower than before being treated with hormone or SRS.

Wrong. Post sauce.

That's not solving the issue, the issue isn't whether or not they can "become" the opposite sex, it's the fact they're internally disillusioned to think they are the opposite sex. Solving the thought processes that make them suicidal is better than endorsing them in the hope you can squeeze a few more years out of them before they realise they aren't women and kill themselves.

checked....this guy spreads truth..

I don't know much about transsexuality.
Maybe we can ask Jared Kushner?

Its almost the exact same according to any statistic I've ever seen.

nobody will bring up links


except the OP apparently

How do you know that the problem is the body and not the brain? Wouldn't it do a disservice to medical research if we focus solely on the body instead of working towards understanding what is happening in their brains? I just look at body mods as the easy fix of a symptom rather than treating the illness itself.

>Sci: We're far better at transitioning morphological sex and we're only getting better, relatively soon all transsexuals will be 100% accurate, even to the chromosomal level, to their cissexual counterparts. Whereas we are nowhere near the understanding or capability of effectively altering neural behavior.


There are too many unknowns here to be regarded as a science based argument. Also, as of this moment, we are actively experimenting on people with these 'treatments'. Morally, that is on par with some of the Nazi atrocities. Gaslighting children into questioning their gender - especially when most of these confusions are inserted into their upbringing by dubious third parties - is child abuse at every level.

The subject is way too political now to be treated with any respect. A mental illness that barely registered in any real numbers has become an industry that encourages irreversible adaptations on the body without addressing the actual course.

It is an industry run by monsters who are a danger to children. I will never support the course and will actively ensure that anyone who comes near my children with these dubious claims will get a thorough and divine beating. OP - choose another career. This will only end with you torn apart by heart broken and tormented fathers.