Historical relevance

My opinion about each country's historical relevance, discuss and make your own maps

What do you mean by historical impact? Does stopping and at least weakening mudslims count?

From entering europe of course

If it existed as a country and what it has done, mostly based on military because this is what had been relevant until the end of the modern age but also culturally. Georgia was of little relevance even if it did something.

>austria
>greece
>moderate

Italy should be blue, be true to Caesar senpai

Is black Alexander the great tier relevance ?

If not us you would still be living in communist world, ungrateful gypsy

Why is italy green? The roman empire shaped europe on a much bigger scale than Turkey/Ottoman Empire ever did.

>being this stupid

The Roman empire hasn't got much to do with modern Italy.

>Greece, Italy, and Spain not blue
M8

at last i truly see

The same goes for Turkey and the Ottomans

Serbia was an empire in the 14th century, that was the height of our history

Italy should be blue as well, if not just for the Roman Empire, then for being the center of the Renaissance and thus origin of western thought as we know it.

Italy green, Greece yellow? Our entire civilization comes from these two countries.

>Roman empire died 1550 years ago
>Ottoman empire died 90 years ago

if anything this means rome had more time to make more of a historical impact. The entire concept of this thread is retarded though. Much like your country for outlawing communism

My world map

Italy should be blue, apart from that it's a good map.

This would be mine

Fixed

>Modern France, Britain, Germany, Russia and Turkey
>Having anything to do with the French, British, German, Russian and Turkish empires

If these countries are maximum historical impact then so is Italy, Greece and Austria.

Hungary, Denmark and Sweden should all be yellow as well.

you really hate orthodoxy, do you?

far better

also maybe spain because of their American conquest.
so what ? it forged European culture.

This

You fucking numpty. Austria was the base of the Habsburger empire and Austro-Hungaria. They started the events that would lead to the first world war, which led to Hitlers rise in power, which then lead to the second world war. In which it would ‚Anschluss‘ to fight with Germany in the name of National Socialism.
This literally shaped Europe into what it is today.
Austria has no relevance today, but it literally helped shape Europe.
Fucking halfwit over here. Jesus.

Austria, literally the cultural center of Europe with Vienna for centuries, is average? The country that started both world wars to boot?

yes, they had basically been irrelevant prior to scavenging on Hungary

pre-1683 Austria was yet another state from hre

>finland not blue

>>>/gas chamber/

corrected

>switzerland
>low
They revolutionized medieval warfare and were the reason pikemen became mainstream use in european armies. What?

Better version than the mad ravings of a fucking gyppo

>fyrom

Alright, you’re retarded.

There are so many wrong things with your map...

Giving Poles' land to Germany? And why is Bulgaria so big? Netherlands and Belgium combined? Also, muh Yugoslavia and giving Slovakia and part of Romania to Hungary? Not to mention Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to Russia. I agree though that Russia can have Belarus and Ukraine.

This is far more accurate

>poland higher historical impact than france
nice maymay

And yet the world is more romanised than ottomanised today (by several orders of magnitude)
You should listen to your history techer sometime Popescu

Yeah looks about right

seems about right

And why the fuck does Tukroachs bigger?

Bulgaria just has fyrom, Prussia is rightfully German though, Netherlands and Flanders (the Dutch part of Belgium), there is no Yugoslavia, only Bosnia being shared between Croatia and Serbia, Slovakia was always part of the Hungarian kingdom and northern Transylvania was also more than 50% hungarian. Lithuania goes to the commonwealth though, Latvia and Estonia could go to Sweden if you like it more this way.

the whole european south-east has the same cuisine borrowed from the turks, what have we got from the spqr's?

Fritz stop.... no... bad Fritz stop...

Sweden should be blue since it had an empire, by the logic of the picture. Same with austria.

>>does Tukroachs bigger?
Are Turkroachs, fuck I cant spell.

I agree if this is post 1400 relevance, otherwise the map is pretty retarded.

I hope this is bait, for your own sake

Armenia has an entire separate christian church, also has rich history plus their diaspora is so relevant just as Kardashians.
Switzerland was always neutral but it doesn't mean irelevance. Davos? Banking system?
Belgium had a colonial empire plus they're fought with Habsburgs.

>Spain
>builds one of the largest empires in history, spanning many continents and ascends to the status of superpower for a few centuries
>spread its culture, ideas and language globally
>counted as green

>Portugal
>also one of the biggest empires in history
>for a long while it had a monopoly on spice trade from the indies
>rich af
>spread its culture, ideas and language to millions and millions of people
>managed to maintain its empire until the late 20th century (1999) making it one of the longest lived colonial empires
>counted as green

>Italy
>has been a center of culture, philosophy, religion, arts for the last thousands of years
>built one of the first European empires
>the Roman Empire still influences the world today and shaped pretty much the entirety of western culture
>counted as green

>Greece
>same as romen, been a center of the arts, culture and philosophy for millennia
>its existence has shaped almost all fo the western world (it even shaped rome)
>its influence of philosophy and arts are spread almost globally
>counted as yellow

>Poland
>strategic point, has seen constant wars since the middle ages
>served as a point of encounter between the east and west Europe
>has fended off against countless invasions
>was a major fighting ground in the biggest war in history
>counted as yellow

I could go on and on
Wow not only are you a retard, but an historically illiterate faggot.

Research Serbian history it deserves yellow if not green,putting it in same category as Croatia is just silly,btw why is Russian enclave orange

>Austria
>Yellow

>WHAT IS THE HRE AND HABSBURGS?

Balkans were very relevant historically if we're talking pre-1400's

That's really fucking stupid. Austria should be at least high, Hungary average, Southern baltic state very low (what did they ever do?) same as Ireland and Norway and Finland. Denmark should also be average, and depending on how far back you go, greece should either be maximum or low.

Italy should be blue and Switzerland should be yellow and Greece should be green. You could argue that Sweden should be blue since we had a lot of influence of Northern Europe and lots of scientific and cultural achievements.

If Serbia deserves green, then so does Bulgaria, which was arguable more relevant as they were instrumental in spreading Christianity and the Cyrillic alphabet to most of Eastern Europe.

Balkans were relevant as aterritory, but the people themselves weren't the driving force of those events.

>Austria
>what is Habsburg

>Spain
>what is Columbus

>Italy
>what is Rome
>what is the Vatican

>Greece
>what is western civilisation

>spanish roman emperors like Trajan, Adrian, Marco Aurelius
>stops moor invasion into Europe
>discovers the Americas
>best contributions to art and literature
>GETS A FUCKING GREEN

Turkroaches can get all the sand they want, but shouldn't touch Europe. Maybe even give back Constantinopole and the rest of the holy land.

>Prussia is rightfully German
No, those guys just conquered the territory, just like Hungarians did with northern Transylvania.

>Latvia and Estonia could go to Sweden
Since Finland is also part of Sweden in your map, that would be ok with me.

Exactly

Apparently as relevant as Norway (heh)

>poland is a strategic point
and that's about it. irrelevant for centuries. when poland was relevant it left little to nothing to be remembered by. no culture, no architecture, no notable scientific achievements.

He's a gypsie, it's already enough he can read.

Portugal deserves to be blue more than Italy does. Unless you'r going back to ancient history but I think the map refers to the nations not the geography.

I agree that u deserve green(a lot of countries were misrepresented i did not name every one),not sure which one is more relevant thou that is very hard to determine

I guess killing each other in every world war is enough to be considered blue...

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I could agree with that

Bist fett oida?

Kek.

>Belgium
>No historical significance

Only the terrain which has been fought on and over more than almost any part of Europe.

That was not up to them.

mhm no. and polan shoulb be red. but spain should be blue.

Subtle.

>Map is relevance to Europe
>Spend your entire history playing with Indians and collapsing economically

The UK would get a green as well except they played in Europe too. Spain and Portugal didn't do either often enough or successful enough to count.

as a croat I am utterly offended by this image

>formed empires
>not italy or spain
kys gypsy

>Romania
>My opinion
Stopped reading there

>Italy and Spain with the same historical relevance as Swede
kys again gypsy scum

>Map is relevance to Europe
No it isn't. You just made that up, and in fact the description of the colors makes it clear it's about the whole world.

Spain is still pretty relevant...
>War of the Spanish succession
>Napoleon Wars
>Birthplace of many new technology
>Moors n' shit (Although that was more Castile)
>Spanish Civil War

fucking retard

The only colour that references the rest of the world is green.

Buthurt spaniard.

Yes, wich is enough to prove my point.

you're proving historical illiteracy with every post

>Dominated the Balkans trough almost the entire middle ages
>created the alphabet used by more than 200 million people world wide
>spread the language which is falsely refered to as "Slavic" all over eastern Europe, from which all modern day "slavic" languages decend
>Saved Constantinopole TWICE from Arab hordes
ORANGE?

Italy and before it the small nations who formed it changed completely the sorts of europe. Also we had a colonial empire, a small one, but we had one.
Here are a couple examples italian decisions who changed the world:
- Joining WW1 on the side of the entente
- Reinassance
- Wars between HRE and northern italian city-state
- Joining WW2
- Defeating the ottomans a few times (as venice and later on as italy)
- more
And that is assuming Italians are not the descendants of the Romans. (We are)

Spain also financed the Holy League and led Europe to one of its greatest victories in history with the Battle of Lepanto

You mean germany?

>People fight over you
>People fight over you
New tech okay
>People fight over you
>People fight over you

Damn, I guess we better consider the Balkans blue too. Thanks.

No I'm a Brit who realises youre a fucking spastic for putting Spain and Italy on par with Sweden in terms of histrical significance. I'm also aware you're an uneducated gyspy shitskin retard

Ireland preserved Latin almost single-handedly and was instrumental in the destruction of the biggest empire in human history.

>Greece and Italy in anything lower than blue

Italy
> Roman Empire
> Catholic Church
> Renaissance
> Fascism
green

Portugal
> chill in the West doing nothing for centuries
> colonize some shit when getting a chance
> not getting anything out of it
also green?

Hungary
> Being relevant for 100 years in 15th century
> under Habsburgs rest of the time
> then becoming typical Eastern European satellite
green as well?

Serbia did nothing significant

>>implying Samogitians are heirs to Most Serene Republic of Poland heritage

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