Why hasn't /pol watched tne new docementary "the Vietnam War" from Ken Burns? It is an unbiased, honest look at the war and the failings of all involved presidents. The war stories are insightful and there are nearly as many Vietnamese/Viet Cong interviewees as US veterans. I never realized what pussies LBJ and Nixon were. Holy shit, dragging the war out just to save face when they knew it was un-winnable early on.
If Sup Forums has seen it, what did you think of it?
Becuz McMasters book tells all.
I need to watch Baseball, finish Jazz, and the Civil War first.
I'm 8 episodes in. It is awesome. I'm struck not only about how we got ourselves into the war, but just how fucking stupid we we're prosecuting it. The old WWII generals and their outdated ideas are really what lost it for us. That war was winnable, we just tied both hands behind our back and shot off both our legs.
Just finished episode 2 actually. Pretty good so far senpai.
Just got done with it, about a few minutes ago.
It was pretty good, desu.
We should have allowed ground troops into Laos/Cambodia to directly cut off the Ho Chi Minh trail. We should have cut off naval based resupplies to Hanoi. We should have executed night bombing on the Ho Chi Minh trail. We should have cut out any bullshit like forcing contact, or taking hills just to give them up, basically anything that would put a soldiers life in danger without a strategic objective.
where can i watch it?
Why didn't we do those things early on? If we were going to commit, we should have adopted a good strategy.
The whole "take this hill then abandon it so the enemy can reclaim it" thing was so stupid I can't even wrap my brain around it
It was all about the body count and kill ratio. So they forced contact like taking hills just to kill a bunch of VC or NVA, while also killing Americans. But as long as the ratio was high enough it was defined as a success by the military. Basically fighting a war of attrition by choice.
Vietnam was never supposed to be winned, if the USA army went too far into the north, the USSR and China would rretaliate. so the best option was to keep the ground as long as possible like they are doing in Korea, but the hippies and constant protests in the homeland avoided a chance to make the USA army stay there indefinitely just like Korea.
It's online? Oh hell yeah
yep, all 18 hours
documentary filmmakers wh give a fuck make their shit free because they care about their message
daily reminder LBJ did nothing wrong
But image if the US won (and allowed a real, not a puppet, democracy in the south). Vietnam would be as prosperous as South Korea today. Even most Viet Cong I've seen speak admit the extreme socialst government was a mistake. They suffered at the hands of Stalinist economics for 10 years after the war, and many said that was an even worse thing to live through.
All the protest leaders were Jews
It's not unbiased. It's communist jew faggot propaganda.
the Hippies ruin everything
It really doesn't matter now though, Vietnam is capitalist now and even is an American Ally against chinese aggression. They used communism as a way of getting support for their nationalist liberation war. They dropped that shit once they won the civil war and actually had to run a proper country
this. it's very good. the ROE were shit and the fucking liberals lost us the war.
lets get some good thread themes about the vietnam war going:
it just so happens the Vietnam War also has the best soundtrack of all time. Why is that?
And then we shot them.
>best soundtrack of all time. Why is that?
because it was the 60s and 70s - golden age of music
>But image if the US won (and allowed a real, not a puppet, democracy in the south).
The southern government was always going to be puppet. The Vietnamese people were going to elect a Communist government after expelling the French colonialists, and we couldn't allow that (Elections where people we don't like win are bad!) so the polls were closed and we instigated a war.
The Documentary implies that we got mired in a Vietnamese civil war, when in fact we interfered in the nation's transformation after defeating the French (who we backed financially).
Ken Burns is a liberal elite, though. Ten minutes into his documentary on Prohibition he's unironically talking about "marital rape".
My Lai (sp.) massacre. What is Sup Forums's opinion on this? I always back my country, but this was truly shameful. Blowing babies' heads off? A US helicopter pilot stopped the massacre by ordering the gunmen to open fire on the perpetrators if they continued. That pilot was a hero. If we want to be a standard for freedom and liberty, that shit is below us.
I'm not watching that leftist Jew's propaganda. That's for mouth-breathing boomer-proles.
"showing war every night on msm is illegal now so normies won't question the mic and their politician enablers anymore"
Great series, but it really hurt my American pride.
Ho Chi Minh loved America and really admired our fight against the British.
It was a completely avoidable war, and a shame how many of our good boys died in pointless campaigns.
Communism doesn't work. We can't freak out when someone is not playing ball. We have to just relax and let economics take its course. Every time this happens, in 30 years they come on to our side.
>post Americana Burns being anything other than Cultural Marxist shit projection
If only Ho Chi Minh's letters had reached Truman. We may have had a more stable government in Vietnam, a situation similar to Yugoslavia where communist/socialist state was held together without the escalation of violence led by the war.
But such is US strategy interests to destabilize the enemy, which are everywhere.
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>Explicit language version
>My Lai (sp.) massacre
Melia - it was wrong - so wrong.
Ken Burns is a hardcore leftist, in his The West series he portrays Indians as Angels.
>the ROE were shit
The ROE were not particularly restrictive. More firepower (already more intense than WW2) and more dead civilians would not have swayed the outcome.
>leftist Jew's propaganda.
Except he's not. Even Hitler may have had 1/4th Jew blood. Just having some Jew genetics does NOT make one corrupt. .
>pbs.org
Gentlemen and scholars.
We could not bomb Hanoi nor invade because China had nearly 300,000 troop in and around the area. Those Chinese troops where there to free up regular N. Vietnam troops and keep supplies flowing from the USSR and Red China.
I was surprised they interviewed Viet Cong and NVA. First US documentary I recall doing that.
the tet offensive was a turning point, but it shouldve gone in our favor to be honest.
the enemy were fucking DEVASTATED by it. they thought it would be the deciding factor and it was probably the main reason why the dear leader fell into such a bad depression and died.
instead it was such a shock to the american public that the enemy could attack so far in, when in reality it was an absolute FAILURE.
yes winnable war etc.
Where do you get it? I missed the first episode and they don't have it on demand yet.
>Where do you get it? I missed the first episode and they don't have it on demand yet.
pbs.org
You can choose between broadcast and explicit versions (language, scenes)
Cool thanks.
Always thought this was really creepy:
youtu.be
Imagine hearing this shit in the middle of the night.
I'm taking in my city's film festival this week but I'm marathoning this as soon as it ends
>You can choose between broadcast and explicit versions (language, scenes)
pbs.org
It wasn't necessarily unwinnable. Even with out nukes if America fought as hard as they did to "save" us from Hitler that war would have been over quickly. I had the opportunity to date a girl here whose father and grandfather were high ranking military advisors. I told them how my dad was a high ranking officer in vietnam and the proceeded to knock my socks off telling their own and Chinas level of involvement in that war. More than I ever could have learned at school or a documentary.
All vietnam shit is depressing as fuck, vid related