Give it to me straight

Give it to me straight.

>studied computer engineering now I work in the automotive industry
>24 years old, have a great gf, we're vacationing in mexico right now
>well educated parents (dad is a doctor, mom is teacher)
>I can't stand conservatives or republicans, trump is a retarded man child chode in my eyes

you all sound like fucking babies. "wah wah immigrants". Shit isn't perfect but it's our responsibility as a developed nation to help the world. I believe in a healthy mix of conservative and liberal values and I identify most as a libertarian but I strongly believe affordable health care and caring for the weakest links is the only way to maintain civil order and equality.

You fucks so easily sold on reactionary politics and being contrarians and honestly it's fucking pathetic. You're all just being played for the retards that you are.

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Nice blogpost, kid.

The thing with immigrants is that a lot of them are poor, uneducated shitstains who won't adapt to our culture and will make the crime rate go up.

If we could cull the shitstains and only accept high quality immigrants, it would be fine.

It shouldn't be our responsibility to clean up after the rest of the world when they shit the bed. We're not their mommy and frankly, I think America needs to stop playing world police. Let's care for our land first and let the rest of the world handle their own problems.

so edgy brah, you told me

tell that to all your "working class" that got C's in high school and think their shitty jobs aren't totally replaceable. I can't wait for automation to truly kick in so all you red neck fucks have to live in the whole you've dug when your jobs get replaced by machines.

American politics is American politics and is not the same as any other country, so you can't just project the right wing buffoonery of your own right wingers onto Trump without digging more into what he's saying and how it fits into American political history.

I almost started this post with "the only thing you're missing", which sounded like a textbook in my head but then sounded like a textbook American liberal the moment I read it back to myself.

>it's our responsibility as a developed nation to help the world
who are you talking about? citizens' only responsibility to obey the law and their government's only responsibility is to make/erase laws and protect them
>affordable health care and caring for the weakest links is the only way to maintain civil order and equality
again "caring for the weakest" is not a citizen's duty nor a government duty (only when there's inequity), so either you can point out where minorities are legally kept down or you're talking shit.
>You're all just being played for the retards that you are
It's not like every political party says the same thing about the other. It depends on the people dimwit, immigration is a serious problem and you don't solve it by forcing people to care about others, that's not how a democracy works.

tldr
kys

>I think America needs to stop playing world police. Let's care for our land first and let the rest of the world handle their own problems.

one does not exclude the other. If you cunts would stop funding your military and giving big business means to cheat taxes so you might be able to look after veterans better.

>white man's burden is our responsibility that really made me think

>tell that to all your "working class" that got C's in high school and think their shitty jobs aren't totally replaceable. I can't wait for automation to truly kick in so all you red neck fucks have to live in the whole you've dug when your jobs get replaced by machines.
>says it our moral imperative to help less fortunate nations
>celebrating with glee as uneducated American get their livelihoods automated away
really makes you think

>now I work in the automotive industry

Being a valet is not "working in the automotive industry", Pedro.

Can you imagine what America would look like if it just started taking care of its own problems instead of world police

>who are you talking about? citizens' only responsibility to obey the law and their government's only responsibility is to make/erase laws and protect them

maybe all the aliens that you just kicked out and have resulted in crops literally wasting away because you lazy fucks only like to talk about "taking our jerbs" instead of actually working.

independent.com/news/2017/jun/22/labor-shortage-leaves-13-million-crops-rot-fields/

>again "caring for the weakest" is not a citizen's duty nor a government duty (only when there's inequity), so either you can point out where minorities are legally kept down or you're talking shit

break a leg without insurance and see what happens to your budget. That's who. You'd be financially fucked begging for handouts.

azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa-breaking/2017/09/22/sassy-gay-republican-mocked-viral-health-insurance-claims-gofundme/691584001/

>our responsibility as a developed nation to help the world
>uses Mexican flag
Fuck off spic. Why the hell don't you just stay in Mexico and help make it better?

As someone who's traveled a lot, I can tell you that poor Americans really don't have it that bad. They bitch a lot, but that's because they don't realize how good they have it. Our homeless people have cell phones, hot meals and cheap clothes.

What makes someone a shitstain isn't even how much money they make, really. What matters is someone's education, flexibility and their willingness to integrate.

>tfw you don't sage this thread

I develop electronic software for cars. Nice try neckbeard

>no you guys are the disconnected and delusional ones
Alrighty then.

>I can't wait for automation to truly kick in

Allow me to clarify things. You believe that the reaction to immigrants is misplaced, and you also believe that the working class will have to "live in the whole (they're) dug".

Do you not realise that immigrants to the USA, especially from Latin America, are more so working class than native (born), and rely upon their labour to make their living? It won't be whites that bear the brunt of this evolution in the market - it'll be the foreigners that you seem so insistent Sup Forums overreacts to.

Whitey Should pay for everything

Yep, I believe in social evolution. Out with the old, in with the new. You fucks get hard every time someone mentions coal and it's time to stop

Fucking of course a spic spends other people's money.

Nice LARP, but we get it, you're a Mexican living in Mexico pretending to be LE CULTURED MEXICAN WHO LIVES IN THE USA WHO HAS A GREAT JOB AND GREAT FAMILY. It's fun to pretend once in a while, hell, I occasionally put on a commie flag and declare the need to kill whitey to make the USA peaceful from time to time just to ruffle a few feathers.

Your LARP is tired, tho. Good luck not getting your head cut off by cartel members.

I'm on vacation at an all inclusive resort, but ya keep attacking me instead of accepting that trump is playing you all for a bunch of suckers

say the word and I'll remote back into my PC in canada. These mexicans are fantastic hard working people and the american tourists are so fucking obnoxious and entitled. The rest of the world thinks you're a fucking joke.

No it would. You are still selling our children's future for some vague GDP increase.

Maybe the immigration system needs to be reworked to make it easier for hardworking people to come over. Removing the borders altogether is not the solution because that would let the shitstains through. Muslim immigrants are the worst because they often come with dangerous ideologies, they screech about being offended over tiny things like church bells ringing and they refuse to adapt. There's a muslim working at my hospital who complains whenever she sees a wheelchair because her stupid long dress gets stuck in them. Why the fuck is she wearing that in a hospital if it's stopping her from doing her job right?

Mexicans tend to be pretty cool as far as immigrants go, honestly. But fuck the syrians and the arabs.

*wouldn't.

>I'm on vacation at an all inclusive resort

Pic is of resort. Severed heads are out of frame.

Nice try Pedro

Good luck with surviving the Cartels Paco!

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>maybe all the aliens that you just kicked out and have resulted in crops literally wasting away because you lazy fucks only like to talk about "taking our jerbs" instead of actually working.
So it's the illegal aliens' job to help the world? I think you jumped a couple of logical steps so I'll ask again, who should be in charge of helping illegals?
>break a leg without insurance and see what happens to your budget. That's who. You'd be financially fucked begging for handouts.
so where's the inequity if you don't have insurance in the first place?

How would Mexico feel if the US sent all our niggers there illegally and demanded Mexicans pay to support them? Get it now?

Which province? Canada's not that great. Nunavut is a glorified ghetto and I can testify that healthcare in Quebec is dog shit.

I agree that Americans make lousy tourists, though. They don't travel a lot and American culture is very centered on their own country.

The biggest problem with shitstains is a lack of cultural appropriation. Education is secondary

>The rest of the world thinks you're a fucking joke.
And yet, wetbacks can't seem to stop from coming here, fancy that! It has to be better than giving birth on the lawn you manicure for a living.

OP here
actually it looks like this

This is the full ration of kike bullshit. "I went to the right schools so I'm better than you. My parents' accomplishments are better than your parents' accomplishments. We have to give our money to ungrateful shitskins who would like to see us dead. You're a racist if you don't. I'm a libertarian and totally not part of the corrupt Democratic party but I believe everything they tell me to believe. Niggers are superior to me. DRUMPF! You're stupid babies, stupidheads!"

fort mcmurray alberta, we were on fire!

>our responsibility as a developed nation
>flag

You're just attacking me and not the issue. I read a lot, I value critical discussion. You're just a useless man child.

>dad is a doctor, mom is a teacher

Found the guy whose family never had to worry about money and now turns around and tells everyone else about what to do for the "common man."

My dad grew up poor and got scholarships. I worked hard and they helped a lot but I've always been extremely frugal. But please keep attacking me and not the issue, that's all you fucks are good at.

Obama leaf moved to Mexico I see.

Carajo pinche wey!

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you WHOLE point is that you're a good person therefore everyone is your shithole of country must be like you and therefore being accepted in the US
you have ZERO talking points

>whinney leftist visits US owned tourist area of mexico and wonders why we have borders when it looks exactly like souther cali.

Ignorant faggot.

>reaction politics
another meaningless smug made up libtard term.

what the fuck does that even mean? Reacting to bullshit hysterically and irrationally via the use of politics? Kind of like how you liberals go apeshit when kike media pulls a few heartstrings i.e pic related.

>I read a lot

Pic related.

>maybe if i swear they will believe
lmao

>it's our responsibility as a developed nation to help the world
Nice fallacy. But no, it isnt. We should be spending more money on helping our vetrans and bettering our economy. We should be taking care of ourselves; not everyone else.

This sounds exaggerated but it's not. In fact it's more of an understatement

>floated by in life without a care in the world and never faced any form of struggle beyond a question on a piece of paper, literally did not experience reality
>is surprised when conservative views don't make sense

Anyone have that comic of some white guy walking through his gated community then asking online why people hate niggers so much? That's literally OP's life.

Maybe your province is better. I noticed that English Canada seems pretty chill. All I know is that in Quebec everything is expensive, the doctors can't be sued like they can be in America so they don't bother doing their job as well and some healthcare treatments aren't available at all because "it wouldn't be fair to the poor" or "it would cost the government too much". Wait times for treatment are ridiculous, too. My grandpa went deaf because getting appointments takes months and he wasn't treated fast enough. I'd take expensive American treatment over inept Quebec treatment any day.

There's nothing wrong with having a government safety net. The issue is the unceasing expansion of benefits and the entitlement this engenders.

He's attacking both at the same time

Allowing the West to be flooded with millions of shitskins every year is bad for the west and its bad for their country of origin.

There's no scenario where the West could make a meaningful difference in poverty rates by allowing migrants in. If you want to help these countries, help the migrants where they are.

All you snow flakes are so triggered

Like any other filthy spic animal you aren't even smart enough to maintain your LARP for three posts. You've never entertained a critical thought in your life. You're likely genetically incapable of it.

if that's all you learned from red pilling yourself you're a wimp

Oh, and fuck Nunavut. You Canucks should really pay more attention to your own minorities before inviting a bunch of immigrants over, it's impressive how bad it is for the natives. Crime is rampant up there. There's child abuse, animal abuse, drugs, it's just a tragic garbage heap that most people don't know about because the inuits are too busy getting drunk to speak up.

The weak and poor get health care for free.

The rich get it affordably as part of a package.

Government officials get theirs for free.

This leaves the Middle Class to pony up for the rest with Obama Care premiums set to raise premiums by 18% on average next year.

So you just sit back and enjoy your vacation in Mexico thinking that Socialism/Communism is surely the way to go.

Better yet, go to Venezuela instead and see how things are working out there.

>Give it to me straight.

What did he mean by this?

>I SWEAR I AM WHAT I SAY AND I'LL KEEP TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU
>calling anyone else "triggered"

We can help the world. And we do. But immigration can't solve it. Times have changed chief. Human economic immigration is not a human right. Citizenship isn't a human right.

Socialist healthcare is seriously garbage. I think my grandma's gonna die way before her time because her doctor decided removing her tumor would cost too much and getting a new appointment will take months, by which time the cancer will likely have spread. In America she could probably pay for the tumor removal.

It wants it straight up the pooper.

You sound pathetic, get a job

>it's our responsibility as a developed nation to help the world
It isn't

and then live the rest of her life in debt. It's not that bad, you're just using a straw man fallacy.

Seriously look it up. There are 100 cases of people going horribly bankrupt with your bullshit health care system for every 1 case of someone with a less critical disease dying.

When I go on vacation I too like to post on websites that I hate. Suck a dick beaner shill.

In the USA, she'd either have coverage (due to the forced purchase via Obamacare), or, Medicare/Medicaid would have seen to her getting proper treatment by now.

It makes me laugh that so many defend socialized medicine that will eventually tell them they're "not important enough" to get the treatment they've been paying for via massive taxes on every purchase made in such nations their entire lives.

>Whoops, looks like you missed the cut, but thanks for the $700k you've put into the system over the past 40 years, it'll go to help someone younger and browner than you!

I don't know about you, but I'd rather be in debt than dead.

I love Sup Forums you guys get so easily worked up. No wonder trump played you guys so easily, he just had to play to your most basic fears and tell you were that your stupid ideas were "telling it like it is".

>and then live the rest of her life in debt.

It's really cute when Mexicans and Canadians try to discuss healthcare with Americans, but no, you're just fucking retarded.

What is Medicare/Medicaid? Might want to look those things up before making yourself look like you've got Down's again.

>Shit isn't perfect but it's our responsibility as a developed nation to help the world.

No.
A nation's responsibility first and foremost is to its own people, NOT "the rest of the world" -- and if it /isn't/ then it has no claim to legitimacy when the 'immigrants' show it no loyalty (for their allegiance is somewhere else), nor does it have a claim to its own people's loyalty (for it has, at that point, betrayed them).

IOW, your argument is literally a one-way street as far as the relationship goes: demanding loyalty and respect while showing neither loyalty nor being respectable.

>libertarian

So you're mentally retarded.

>it's our responsibility as a developed nation to help the world.
>Paco

Checks out. Stay on your side of the fence, porfa.

You're the kid of a doctor and a teacher, right?

You should try living as a poor person for a while. And don't idolize them or think of them as inherently good because they're in need, life's not a Charles Dickens novel. I suggest checking out third world slums.

You can't come on Sup Forums and expect to have a rational debate, lol.

so why is your party desperately trying to repeal obamacare? because they're in bed with lobbyists, it's actually embarrassing

Why are you so anti-immigration?

Why do you not care about human trafficing? The many women who are captured migrating to the US are turned into sex slaves. The 80% of women who migrate who are raped. The drugs crossing the boarder. The money and crime. Fight the cartel through better laws that don't punish the addicted. Send more money to Mexico to fight off the cartels so that next time you go to Mexico you don't have to fear being kidnapped by thugs or blackmailed by the Mexican authorities? Wouldn't this not be better for all?

Big pharma and big insurance loves Obamacare...... bruh

>responsibility to fuck up our country to the detriment of our citizens for people who will fuck off back to theirs the moment the well dries up
Shiggy diggy. Besides, we can't even fix what we broke in the Middle East. Do you really think anything the US government could do would be better? You clearly need to brush up on your Native American history if that's true.

>forcing people to buy a service if they don't want to is a great thing, because now everyone gets to pool money to pay for a few who abuse this new system!
Are your people really this stupid, or is it just you? Once again, the MexiLeaf showcases retardation at high levels.

>MUH LOBBYISTS
Mmmmm hmmmmm.

YOUR DAD grew up poor, you grew up with mommy and daddy's silver spoon up your comfortable ass and now you're telling common people "no illegal immigrants wont be unecessary competition in your pleb work field", "how dare you not pay for literally millions of self-induced lard asses with your meager paycheck", "how dare you not want to pay more taxes from your pleb paycheck to support bums not willing to work" and "ho dare you oppose your plebian blue collar jobs to be shipped overseas you racists. While you are "look at me i made it to the top with mommy and daddy's money, my perspective sure does means more than you stupid common people".

Neck yourself mexicunt

You have to go back Pedro

I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but what I am saying is that building a wall will change none of that and the "leader of the free world" got elected for that bullshit.

Illegal aliens only exists because corrupt officials allowed it 20 years ago

They're trying to repeal it because it's a god damn mess. I'm on it and it's terrible. I got dropped by my health provider and I've yet found a clinic that accept Obamacare.

again attacking me and not my points, you just sound like a pathetic spaz. I haven't accepted a penny from my parents since I was 12

This is what I meant by why are you anti-immigration?

>Illegal aliens only exists because corrupt officials allowed it 20 years ago.
A wall literally fixes this. More money for border security means a slash in budget under the next democrat.

For just a shitty developer for car progs you talk a lot of shit.

I find it to be quite the opposite. Politicians come and go but a wall will still physically be there. And this wall can be very effective with modern technology. Drones, cameras, watchtowers, sensors, more patrol agents, counter tunneling technology. It will be much harder than taking a pickup truck a few miles. Walls have proven to be very effective. El Paso's crime rate dropped 110% after they build their wall. Walls work. Iraq, Palestine, Saudi Arabia and many others have used walls that are a modern marvel.

You're so young and stupid you actually think there is a difference between a Republican and a Democrat and that voting for Hillary over Trump would have netted any difference.

You're ludicrously naive.

Awww someone got deported. Don't worry Denny's will get their dishes washed somehow.

>comes onto our board and whines
>wonders why no one wants you around
mexican "intellectuals" everyone

Walls absolutely work. Let's say we built a wall but the next democrat completely defunded it. You could set a camera by the gate and the aesthetics would be so bad the democrat would not get reelected. This is why they're scared shitless of a wall.