Sup Forums What have you done to me?! Fascism discussion

I used to be a nu-fagg, listening to music while browsing Sup Forums (I still am, but learning fast and lurking more than ever b4). I've been taking my red pills daily, but now I need some expertise regarding all the variants of Fascism.
>Which type of Fascist state would be better for the US or Europe: Falangism, Nazism, Fascism (italian), Legionarism, American Natsoc, Mosley's, Metafascism, the original Spartan city-state, roman imperialism, other... which one?

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Fascism adapts itself to the nation that adopts it, hence why no two nations use the same type of fascism. Whatever America uses, it will be its own unique brand of fascism.

Thanks user, so hypothetically, how would that work in the US (I'm a burger, that's why I'm more interested in the US).

Fascism is reactionary, it reacts to the situation that births it, you can't really give specifics without knowing exactly how the fascist regime rises. You can make guesses though. I imagine that, relative to most forms of fascism, ours will emphasize racial purity and the Jews, because those are massive issues for us like they were for the Germans, The Spanish, Romanians, Italians, etc focuses more on other things. The Italians needed economic stimulus, the Spanish needed that as well as a purge of communism after their civil war, etc

Wouldn't we need a social purge too? With (pic related) walking freely demanding rights, we need to do something about them, if not purge, at least a quarantine program or something...

By purge I mean a total restructuring of the bureaucracy and business culture. The Spanish were deeply infected on every level of their society, particularly their military. That's why their civil war happened. In comparison, Hitler left businesses and some government agencies mostly alone as long as they were willing to obey the new rules, becuse the demands of the era required a stable state in the face of the war he knew would come. Mussolini, ruling during more stable times, went much further with his nationalizing and such. It's not to say that we'll only do one thing, but there are clear philosophical differences between the economics-focused Italian fascism, the Falangists who focuses on rebuilding and purifying a shattered nation, and the national socialism of the Germans. Our situation most resembles the last option. This is part of the point of fascism, adapting to the needs of the "volk."

Oh, I see, that will be helpful, but we need to become more popular. I believe we need to change Fascism, people see symbols related to Hitler and won't listen. We need a symbol and a name to an ideology that completely disassociates from Nazis, but we keep the original values. Either way, normies are too ignorant to differentiate fascism form capitalism, communism, their own shadow...

I know that feel. I just one day realized my fascist wallpaper, that i was listening to fascist music while discussing/watching videos about white interests on pol.

felt weird to just wake up and notice how casually I was doing those things

Kek, growing is living I guess...

This is a point that has been disagreed upon by fascists ever since the birth of the ideology. Hitler and Rockwell feared the consequences of focusing on public relations. They felt that a smaller group of truly dedicated men were more useful than a larger party that was significantly more vulnerable to subversion and a loss of vision. Dr. Pierce famously disagreed with Rockwell on this. I would argue this: the conversion of America into a fascist nation can be split into roughly two parts: The preparatory phase, and the action phase. The point the separates them is some sort of trigger that pushes the overton window sharply in our direction; an economic collapse, a high-profile asassination, a war, or something along those lines. Before this, while we are still in the preparatory phase, I believe we should not shy away from Nazism or "tainted" symbols. We'll never make huge progress while the masses have their bread and circuses, so in the meantime we shoul focus on a strong core of believers. In the action phase we should clearly hide some of our values until the time is right.

I don't think we need to shy away from fascism, but we DO need to avoid being wehraboos. Oftentimes it seems like fascists value the German culture more than they value their own. The Swastika doesn't have any meaning in American culture, Erika and Panzerlied shouldn't be sung when we have the Battle Hymn of the Republic and Yellow Rose of Texas, and we certainly shouldn't be shouting German phrases like Hail Victory when we have perfectly good American phrases.

Basically, don't make it sound like you want to turn America into Nazi Germany, but rather emphasis that the American culture is under attack and you want to defend and uphold it. Be a champion of your own culture. This is all assuming you are America of course, but you get my point.

I see the pros and cons to that. If we still have some sort of democracy left, we should use it in our favor, we are dying out. By the day we are dying more and more, we will reach extinction at some point. Maybe in Rockwell and Hitler's time, with a majority of whites lived in western countries that could work. Now we are falling down the path of extinction, having a small elite could mean having a smaller one next year, a smaller one the year after, and an even smaller one the year following that previous one... we need to adapt to our current changes to survive, changing tactics to increase popularity at first will get our message of truth across more people, that as ourselves, have high intellectual capacities for being white; they have only been misguided. It's our duty to guide them back to the truth, even help the sub-humans to reach our level or at least something descent enough.

Is not being shy, is just that people are to blind to even listen to us. If we, white people, want to survive, we must adapt to include as most people as possible. We saw it with the Magapedes, some people do want change, they have the mental capacity, they just don't know were to reach for help... we are the help the world needs.

Read Mosley's 100 questions on Fascism asked and answered. It's more in-depth than Italian Fascism and more realistic in the modern world than Nazism.

>Bolshevik
.......... I'll give it a try, but you have to understand that communism is incompatible with Nazism/Fascism

Is this our /fash/ion? just realized its a swastika

It's good that you understand that. I assume you are familiar with the Strasserist debacle? It's an example of the dangers that a rapidly growing movement faces, and it is why I fear compromising on our ideals before we make a real impact. We must never believe that civic nationalist groups are "sufficient." They are useful as a means to an end. Keep the fasces in your heart always, even if it is not advantageous to outwardly show it.

All of those things you just listed are the same. Even Mosley knew this.
>pic related he talks abojt fascism and nat soc being the same
All the fascist movements share a common goal and worldview - the organic state.

Fascism needs to adapt to the time it exists in, and the racial and national characteristics of the host country. You can't look at Fascism from a liberal perspective and hope it'd work in America.

I know the problems with fast expansionism, the ideals don't get solid in the followers, but I thought on a methodology that could bypass it. I've been studying how religions spread so quickly after the Roman Empire, so we could use similar tactics, like chants mocking the commies, "rituals" like Monday 8:00 am oath to the nation's flag, followed by an oath to one's race, also congregations of white neighbors making a BBQ for all, or something like it. It might be an insidious way of political persuasion, but I fear the worst if we fail to red pill people fast enough. I ran the number and we truly have to be the greatest generation that ever existed or the last one.

National Bolshevik not just a Bolshevik. Yes that's true, if my side wins you'd all be killed. Well those that would be unwilling to compromise. Aside from that I've always been ok with certain types of Fascism. I wouldn't mind being the Michelle Bianchi of your movement. No offense but I just don't really like Aryans or Aryan Mysticism. Seriously though, pick up the book it's a good read. As long as Anarchists and Liberals end up dead I'll be happy, think of it as the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

I think the most important thing is showing off a clean and disciplined image. As the world around us falls apart into decay and degeneracy, we can be the "family values" guys, that represent normalcy in a world of liberalism gone mad.

Any good political encyclopedias that are not commented, that you recommend? Since I have been taking this shit seriously, I would want so inside of how the political system works, in practice, besides Jew articles on the internet that end up being
>Ad hominem
>Fascism comes from Greeks and Romans
>Plato even though created fascist views, he wasn't a Nazi, because all nazis are evil
>Unsupported data
>Ad hominem
>Speculations about the axe, being presented as statements
>ad hominem
>Holocaust (evolved ad hominem?)

If you want my genuine advice; I recommend using this flag as your standard. European Militarist larping isn't that appealing to the average American.

We could make an actual propaganda "strike". Like for example we could use the Afrikaners that are not being accepted as refugees as a reason (killing two birds at once). We could organize (ex-army, currently sheriff, I'm good at making order) to make rehearsals several weeks before it, even use horses in a marching formation with flags and everything, something that would make Caesar's parades look like garbage. Only one orator/speaker with megaphone, instead of what modern people do. We would have to wear a generic mask (not the V mask) for all, so it's hard to spot everyone, and obviously everybody with uniforms. To be more dramatic, we could add some marching drummers & trumpets.

>Aryans
It is controversial at first, but I can not stress the fact that on a day to day basis, I see more success in white people than in black people, even if the hippie libtards are burning their brain cells with pot.

I tend to not fraternise with Fascism so much as a "political ideology" but more of a worldview. Once the means of achieving a Fascist state actually come to fruition is when the economics and policies take place.
Live life like a Fascist, go straight edge no drink or drugs, start lifting, read more books, try do fun activities like camping, hiking, take up muay thai or some shit.

I don't think changing the flag at all is appealing to most Americans. As a political movement we could need our own symbols, easy to remember, eye catchy, really representative, and aesthetic.
>Texan

I've lifted since high school, my job requires me to be fit. The reading thing I barely started, with the basics of philosophy in general, moving onto more fascist or reactionary types of theories. Never done drugs, stopped drinking a while back. I hunt from time to time, I started my own garden, I do mechanical work on an old charger I have (78), I know MMA (only been 2 year though, still much to learn). I'm focusing primarily on the intellectual, since all other stuff I'm kind of OK or on the right track.

>lifting* (it's been a long day, I don't even know how to write any more)

>We would have to wear a generic mask (not the V mask) for all, so it's hard to spot everyone
See, I don't think we should hide our faces. If there's one thing I always appreciated about the far-right it's that they have the courage and the conviction to let their beliefs show publicly. Besides, having an open face will make the people less intimidated and more open to us.

Everything else I agree with you on though, although it would take a lot of preparation beforehand. You would need to make sure that the people you have in this march are the people who are in it for good, they won't back out at the last second.

Gladto see you're learning, but like all newfags you must learn to control your anger. Know this, the Jews did not get their power by projecting their methods of white genocide. If you plan on doing anything politically ever IRL, do NOT REVEAL YOUR POWER LEVEL. Infiltrate. Gain. Influence. Subvert.

I'm glad you're listening to GLR speeches, speeches are very important. However you have to understand the hypocrisy in Rockwell. He said that the system was rigged, but then after he amassed a certain number of people, he decided to run for governor of Virginia. He ultimately lost horribly because the swastika made him irrelevant.

Read Mein Kampf (or listen to the audiobook) and understand that public influence is your most powerful weapon.

"The Movement [NSDAP] must avoid everything that reduces it's influence of the masses"
-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

By any chance do you have to deal with pakis at your gym?

It's a political party flag, not a state flag. Don't tell me you plan on using the swastika or some mystic symbol? All that Aesthetic will never be popular. It's esoteric by definition.

Cool well a few books i'd personally reccomend:

Mein Kampf Ford translation
Revolt Against The Modern World by Julius Evola
Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald
For My Legionaries by Cornelieu Cordeanu
White Power & This Time the World by George Lincoln Rockwell
Siege by James Mason

i prefer Italy cause they're obsessed with >pleasure -- but i may b biased since my ancestors r from Napoli

Is not to hide the face, it can be riot helmet kind of(translucid), is just for our own protection.

>Mein Kampf Ford translation
In real life I keep hearing that the book is poorly written and all over the place, but it is routinely recommended on here. Am I just being lied to or something?

>Siege
>Anything GLR
>Cordreanu
>Mein Kampf (and not even the stalag edition?)
Jesus it's like you're TRYING to make him a LARPer. CoC is all he needs, then he needs to study Human Biological diversity so he can debate with facts and evidence instead of emotion and superficial philosophy. This is about saving white people, not abstract ideas

Stalag edition is the only acceptable english edition. Ford uses "worldview" instead of veltanschauung (which basically means worldview in german), uses attack men instead of groups when referring to the SA, and other shit

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Coming well equipped and prepared for a fight is just good planning. I think the guys in the front of the march should carry identical shields like the Nordic Resistance Movement carries, for protection.

>I literally want a dictator

You are an idiot

Why shouldn't we want a dictator, meme flag? You're making the assumption that dictators are automatically a bad thing.

I want dickfries

I'll take that advice
You don't need a gym, I have a bag full with weapons heavy enough to difficult any running, lunges, pullups, push-ups, anything you can think of. Remember that people got rip long before gyms ever existed, plus I'm a cheap bastard I rather invest that money.
I have the culture of critique and for my legionaries, but I don't want to read to many books at a time, or else I might not get the full substance of the reading.
I could consider it, but I haven't even decided if to change the symbols or not.
As a fellow burger, you should be getting ready for up coming movements, we need to get this scum out of our streets, before they do more damage.

I like this one. They nominated our current president.

MK in general was poorly written desu Hitler wasnt a great Author.
The stanlag edition is supposedly the official English edition but Henry Fords translation is more fairly written & Ive heard he had NS sympathies.

>Reading anything by actual Fascists when you want to read about Fascism makss you a larper

Nice mental gymnastics there.
>Hey i want to learn more about Fascism
>These books by Fascists are quite good
>HEY NO DONT READ THOSE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT FASCISM YOU NEED TO READ THIS BOOK ABOUT JEWS THAT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH FASCISM

lmao senpai you are wigged.

I expect a lot of retaliation, even if just marching, giving a public speech and being peaceful.

What is the purpose of fascism? To preserve a people.

Are you going to save a people by persuading them with arguments and facts about real anti-white discrimination, and real jewish influence, or are you going to do it through acting as if you're part of a german workers party from nearly a century ago?

At least I accept being an idiot wanting to learn, than pretending to have an inherent knowledge of politics.

We have two Fasces in the House of Representatives. I believe they've been there since the start, actually.

What on earth are you talking about? Reading a book =/= replicating the person and people the book was written by.

Some of these men who wrote these books have gone down in history, they built successful fascist movements, they stood up to the threat of international jewry. You take what they say that resonates with you, and the world today and you apply it within your own worldview adapted for the modern times.

You cant just read CoC by some non-fascist and expect to miraculously materialise your own brand of Fascism from nothing more than that after rejecting works by all the great fascists because thats "larpy"

Fasces, eagles, and snakes are all good symbols for fascism in the USA.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaxism

I agree with shields. However, the movement should be peaceful. Nothing turns off a crowd more than violence. We aren't Antifa degenerates. I would absolutely defend myself of course, but Antifa uses shit like piss and other shit. Our faces should be protected with something and front lines should definitely have shields for protection from rocks and weapons

If we get our shit together we could make shields with rubber (reduces impact) and wood. Also the protection is because imagine a "riot" were everybody in it is marching with SS uniforms and drummers are playing the Afrika Korps march...Antifa will try to kill us, they'll believe that's what they've trained for all their lives.

If we stylize the front of the shields with the American flag then it comes off less as a weapon and more like a patriotic decoration.

I think, in America at least, TRUE patriotism must make a resurgence. We didn't become America to be the police of other sovereign states.

>Make shields with rubber
okay
>Thinking of the possibility of a riot
good
>SS uniforms with AfrikaKorps march
....And you're back in the land of larp

That's the funny thing, we'll be the ONLY guys all the political sphere advocating for friendly relations with everyone. No supporting coups in other countries, no pointless rivalries with Russia or China, no sending our troops to die in some civil war we have no interest in. We'll oppose immigration and support some tariffs, which might step on a couple toes, but our military will exist only to defend our sovereign nation, not to dominate over the world through subversion and hegemony. We will ironically be the most peaceful ideology available.

reinforced them with rubber, my mistake
>Land larburana
Carmina is better?

Carmina Burana
>geeez my writing

Our sovereign nation and our IMMEDIATE interests. Like north fucking America. Why are we trying to fuck off in land 7000 miles away when we should be at war with the cartels

Oh certainly. We would basically send a mandate to the Latin American nations, either you wipe out the drug lords, or we'll do it for you. As well as continuing the Monroe Doctrine of course, with the goal of ensuring no Marxist ideologies threaten our immediate borders.

>War with Cartels
user, do you understand supply and demand? How are you kill off a multimillion dollar business by getting rid off the CEOs.

>business
Simple. Destroy their ability to distribute their product. And forcibly go after their entire ranks with our military. As other user said, either the Latin American governments (infiltrated by cartel rats, most of them) will eradicate them or we will. This is the war that should have been fought years ago

I do appreciate your concern it won't be easy that I know. It'll be a war. But it was one that would actually benefit us for once

>ability to distribute
I've seen roasties hide the pot tubes up their ass, it is virtually impossible
Is a war, but ideological, we need to stop the ideals of degenerates.

moot. /pol wouldn't survive a day under a real fascist regime

>muh free speech
>muh rights

>Why are we trying to fuck off in land 7000 miles away

neocons

This is pol, no one cares about free speech or rights. I think you're looking for r/thedonald.

First, through re-education of the populace and strengthening of border security we will decrease the demand for drugs in our own nation. Then, we will make dealing with drugs a guaranteed death sentence. You make drugs, you deal them, you smuggle them, you protect them, you use them, and we'll hunt you and kill you. The only way to avoid this is to snitch on your fellow druggies.

>roasties
They will no longer be coming into our country. I'm for practically no immigration and for sure NO immigration from any country associated with cartels. Believe me I understand how people can hide drugs, but refocussing our military will help with this. I also agree it is an ideological war as well and I wonder if you have any ideas on how to tackle that part

None. Minarchist libertarianism is the best possible route for humanity.

That video is awesome.
youtube.com/watch?v=0I71VX5RyGA
This one is good(autistic) too.
youtube.com/watch?v=oCSNa38MQrI&index=22&list=RDOd-HKerUpjI

Have you seen the Swedicuck method? They give pure, high quality drugs to rehab their patients, they treat as a disease. This caused their crack addict population descend to a couple hundred. (stats though, we don't know their methodologies) Besides that I agree 100% in everything else
Only time will tell user, but frontal confrontation is a vicious unending cycle, we've been more than a decade with drug issues in the US.
>Implying, since it's meritocratic, we wouldn't be in command.

>muh guns

ok

I don't believe we should kill our own population there are easier methods to than that that will ensure the people stay on our side. I would give orders to our border patrol and military to shoot on sight if they attempt to flee. Making crossing our borders openly more dangerous would solve the drug issue itself. The only what cartels could get around it is by threatening the person's family. Which we could use to hunt down the cartel and kill them

>fascist
>meritocratic

ok

why?

You'll get to keep your guns under the fascist regime. In fact, gun ownership will be mandatory, and the regulations and bans on gun ownership will decrease.

I noticed a lot more NatSocs and Fascists on here than normal. Felt like old/pol/ a little today.

As whites we are already few, purging them for being degenerates, will only make things worse for us. Curing them from their degeneracy, then they'll realize what we did for them, then we have a prospect of a future soldier, who will sacrifice his own life to save others that live blinded.
Yes

Maximum freedom while still providing the framework for expected safety nets like roads, fire ststions, police, etc.

All those shills from last week got now red pilled.

I was arguing with a neoliberal idiot on Sup Forums today. It was the full cuck shit, "no difference between the races, blacks dindu nuffin, mass immigration is good, neo-liberal economics is sustainable" kind of stuff.

Hi, I'm still here.

You'll starve soon don't worry

I agree. There are enough white race traitors already. I will take an SJW white feminist regardless of her wrong doings. As long as she's white, she has a chance to change. If she doesn't then she can enjoy (((multiculturalism))) somewhere the fuck else

Honestly we could just invade most of Latin America and set up our own puppet fascist states. It would give us valuable ideological allies, and aside from a couple places like Chile most of Latin America is composed of shitholes that wouldn't put up much resistance.

I completely agree. It's part of the whole "you kill the cartels or we kill you both" policy. It goes well with the "we defend our borders with bullets" policy as well

As long as somewhere else is the gulag

That actually made me chuckle, good job.

And get caught in the latin american version of Vietnam? If the Reactionary revolution is coming to the third world; It needs to be by the local people. Just use subterfuge and the promise of good trade deals. Most of Latin America is already Conservative.

No, this made me chuckle.

>You'll get to keep your guns under the fascist regime

lmao. under a fascist regime, you will do as you're told and you will like it

You're right. You WILL have a gun, it is mandatory, in this case, an assault rifle and handgun. Of course, you are free to purchase additional firearms, but the state will issue you an assault rifle and handgun and demand that you take care of both and remain proficient in their use.

American fascism would probably end up being legislated Carnegieism.
business owners are free to make as much money as they want, as long as they support the community their enterprise is in.
Taxes on the rich would be significantly lowered, but people who benefited from that would be expected to donate large amounts of capital to social causes and charity, or face an inheritance tax approaching 100%
Furthermore, the Wall Street finance system would have to be significantly restructured so that business owners are only obligated to make money for themselves and their employees, with shareholders only benefiting tangetially

Fordist employee compensation + an inspired spirit of private charity would be the way forward for the American citizen

>fascist regime giving people the means of revolution

there's a reason guns are banned in china

You seem to think we'd be afraid of our people revolting. Quite the opposite, arming the people would ensure that any revolution would be quickly defeated.

Not only will you be able to keep your weapons, you will have the privilege to defend your country against both foreign and domestic threats. If you wont, you will be removed