Is the EU a charity project?

Is the EU a charity project?

fucking baltic shitholes. why at the fuck does EU pay them? just sell those shitholes back to russians..

kill yourself you imbecile russophile

Netherlands. Gigantic cucks

Do you at least suck the dogs dick before you boil it alive, Long-Feng?

Man, we are getting slid hard as fuck

It was kind of the point of the union, an "economic union" of nations helping each other out, but this has since devolved since the EU now likes to pay Israel and Niggers more than helping its own member states.

No, it is a redistribution project in essentially three major areas: agriculture, infrastructure&rural dev and research and development.

On agriculture: The EU has put a system in place in the early 60s to make Europe self sufficient on food by a system of external tariffs and farm subsidies. As Eastern and Southern states are poorer and have more farmers, they get more subsidies for farmers.

On infrastructure and rural dev, similarly, Eastern and Southern states are less developed, so more money is spent there.

On research and development, Western countries get more money in this area.

The redistribution effect comes from the payments each state has to pay... it is tied to GDP. As Germany has a high GDP, it pays the most. Poland pays little, as they have little in terms of GDP... but they have a lot of farmers and bad highways and bad railways that need German money to be repaired.

Why the fuck do we pay so much?

Our spineless cucked government needs to be purged.

>"Luxembourg's high figure is distorted by it's tiny population and the fact that it is home to several EU institutions"
How nice to pay taxes to fund the European Government as well. We need these hardworking folks to bring more rapists into our country after all.
Sneaky fucking kikes man I swear to god

It was west Europe countries who created EU, so they should pay for it, after all THEY RUN EVERYTHING.

Ew, wtf, I love Putin now

You pay a percentage of your GDP.

The question is, why do you get back thay little. The answer is thay farm subsidies are based on area size and cow numbers and rural dev subsidies are based on underdeveloped rural areas. You have a very densely populated country, so you are disproportionally fucked by the EU subsidy system. You could change this in the upcoming epic 2020 EU 7yr budget fight.

>It was west Europe countries who created EU, so they should pay for it, after all THEY RUN EVERYTHING.

Partially, this is the rational. Another inofficial rational is that countries such as yours pays for thr schooling and university studies of your young people, who then end up moving West to work. This is a huge subsidy for Western countries. The only way to chanhe this is reintroducing internal borders and limiting freedom of movement.

Germany has supermarkets all over our country, we don't have supermarkets in Germany. Germany benefits way more, OP's picture is bullshit. Besides that Germany gets all workers of EU, even foreigners, while other countries get their industry destroyed and replaced. We didn't benefit 1 cent from EU, we lost a lot and our crime/pollution increased. Btw farmers are now poor, no matter how many subventions they receive.

Why does luxembourg pay so little? It's the richest place in europe.

socialist regimes always make people passive and through that ruin everything

We, all countries, joined EU because we wanted equal salaries, not equal race.

What that map doesn't show you is the massive trade benefit along with the massive local business growth that happens due to the EU importing/exporting through your ports. Why don't you throw in Rotterdam revenue in the chart as well?

I don't you think you are right at all, but you are entitled to your opinion. If you were outside the EU you would be poorer - as poor as Serbia.

Why would you factor trade benefits in there? If the CAP was remodeled so each nation pays for its own farmers, trade would still be the same as now, but the net payments would change significantly.

Reminder that you always tell us to "Pay debnts" but never say shit about Belgium.

Serbia is poor because they sold all industry, this is why we gone out of Yugoslavia to begin with, so we could sell our share, else Serbians would sold it all. This is also why EU doesn't wants Serbians inside, since they sold it all already, they have no value left. Our industry was mainly sold in EU, especially banks and business through ECB who places bankers into our banks who's mission was to destroy public owned banks so they could be sold to private international ownership who could then fuck up our companies too, give foreign companies massive advantage. EU gives farmers money, but forgets that those farmers aren't welcomed in free market and their crops aren't welcomed in free market, they are forced to grow foreign GMO plants and can't sell them to supermarkets, since supermarkets have their own supplies, each their own. Btw supermarkets destroyed native small business to which farmers could sell besides supermarkets. So yes, you need to feed farmers, else you have more unemployed than already, since you pet billionaires of USA and Germany.

He is right in the sense that you pay yourself money under the pretense of helping other countries while investing into your own businesses to expand and choke every small shop/biz owner.
You are a blackhole that sucks out massive amounts of money out of neighboring countries, not a single country which accepted € has become richer.

It's a continent-scale wealth redistribution and genocide project.

>Reminder that you always tell us to "Pay debnts" but never say shit about Belgium.
If you look at the map, you can see there really are only 5 countries which really get the money (net):

Poland - 13.4bn
Greece - 5.1bn
Hungary - 5.6bn
Portugal - 3.2bn
Romania - 4.5bn

Next countries are Czechia with 2.9bn, Bulgaria with 1.9bn and Belgium with 1.8bn

You are incorrect and you can easily google the EIB investments in Slovenia and Poland etc. Do not make up lies, state some actual criticism, there are tons of bad things about the EU.

No. On paper it seems that old west european countries pay for everyone else but in reality it gives big companies of said countries unlimited access and dominance on the market of donation receving countries as well as giving central EU authority control over political process within.

My criticism is you are the net recipient of your own investments. Germany pays itself money to expand in all fields of business in every other EU country, from shopping centers to banking and farming while installing regulations that kill the competitiveness of other countries.
Look at Spain and France, they have been in 15 year long nose dive ever since accepting the €, you bleed every other economy dry and transfer the money to yourself.

>Germany pays itself money to expand in all fields of business in every other EU country, from shopping centers to banking and farming while installing regulations that kill the competitiveness of other countries.
But again, this is incorrect. You can check it out yourself. For instance, Polish motorways are largely subsidized with EU money. The workers on these projects are almost excluselively Polish workers and 80% of the project work is done by Polish companies.

Again, there are so many bad things of the EU, why would you critisize the few things that actually work?

Also, Germans would be about 40% richer without the Euro - and we could still be an export nation if we just used the German mark by just handing money to the people instead of other countries (which would reduce the German mark exchange rate).

The idea that us supporting other countries in Europe to the tune of 2 trillion through TARGET-2, the EU budget and bailouts as well as low interest rates somehow benefits the German people, is completely retarded. We could have spent that money on German citizens instead with the same monetary effect. Switzerland did just that and is double as rich as we are... exactly because they are not in the EU and doesn't have the Euro.

>you bleed every other economy dry and transfer the money to yourself
that reminds of that firm Mitt Romney worked at that would essentially buy out companies, take over, bleed them dry, and then sell everything. I can't remember the name of it at the moment.

>why would you critisize the few things that actually work?
probably because the entire point of Western Europe funding the infrastructure in Eastern Europe is so that they can expand into new economic territory, and not actually out of some sense of "national" European patriotism.

It's all a lie, good sir.

its hard when you are american whore and EU doesnt like you. isnt it?

It stunts the country's growth in long term, we became entirely dependent on Germany due to our entwined economies that you now fully own.You are majority of our exports and imports. This is why UK voted to leave.
It is even more visible if you live in western part of Poland, half the land was bought by German investors and every new opened firm is just extension of German one simply because we don't have the capital to compete.

no

it's just a kike scam and racket

but the EU is america's whore


and when the petrodollar collapses, the US will collapse, and pull the EU along with it.

see my clueless fuckwit asshole comrade?

I just explained to you how this shit will go down.

>we became entirely dependent on Germany

its not germanys fault that you are such american whores and piss off every country inside of Europe.

>piss off russians because of Katyn
>piss off Czechs because of muhh Katyn
>piss off Germans because of "muhh reparations
>piss off baltic incestoids because muhh Pospolita
>piss off rest of EU because mahh is american bitcha..

honestly.. you polaken reached the level of shit which only ukrainian go deeper.

I am not saying you aren't getting jewed, because you clearly are, your wages didn't increase since 1995 and quality of life for a common German has dropped too. They say number of jobs increased and unemployment is at all time low but it doesnt take into account all of those people working part time or the fact that amount of people who receive welfare is at all time high.

Reality in EU:
- roads partly sponsored by EU, benefits: illegal workers, local bosses/government who take shares
- grain companies buy grain from Romania and other countries where it's cheaper and more illegal, benefits: grain company boss, local farmers can't sell
- bread is baked by supermarkets themselves, benefits: supermarket with American grains (or Indian grain, who knows, who cares?), again farmers can't sell their grain, again small business can't bake bread.
- construction, plumbing & electricians are illegal workers, but those same illegal workers are registered in legal companies as workers to hide identity, results is that country gets less tax and has to get more EU gibs

So during Socialism the government connected small business to buyers, now in EU they say free trade and that means only big corporations trade, while local governments get gibs, they pass on to their selected business dealers who employ illegals. And we know those illegals in Germany are niggers, arabs, gypsies, you name it and besides that they also ask for gibs, those who aren't legally registered at some company. Which should probably tell you that if i am doing minimal work in registered legal company, you will get minimum tax, while you will get no tax where i am doing maximum illegal work. This all contributes to even more big corporation power over small business and country's governments and even more illegals and replacement of German population for sure. While here we have Bosnians and Serbian, those who aren't in EU and use Switzerland banks to hide money, since they aren't part of EU. Good, isn't it?

>Luxemburg
Isn't that place a fucking tax haven anyway? Why do they need the EU help, or am I being retarded?

Need mo money fo dem programes

>The idea that us supporting other countries in Europe
You're NOT SUPPORTING other countries in Europe at all you faggot. You keep ignoring what the Pole is pointing out. You reap the benefits of the supposed "support" you give to other countries.

> Switzerland
has been reacher than Germany (in per capita terms) for centuries. It has nothing to do with the EU. Germany on the other hand, has never been as prosperous as it is now. You treat the EU as your colonial empire.
You benefit from it.
It's not charity.
It's exploitation.

Netherlands are seriously getting fucked over.

>but the EU is america's whore

yes. and polaken are the leading bitch in it. that the whole trick. as soon EU is trying to leave the whore house polaken are the little bitch who asks everyone to stay.

eu is a project for germany to fuck all of europe

Luxembourg is the euro jew. nuke Luxembourg now

>we became entirely dependent on Germany due to our entwined economies that you now fully own.You are majority of our exports and imports.

Switzerland is completely dependent on trade with the EU and tourism from EU countries. It still isn't int he EU. Don't start with the EU being the reason for economic ties - geography is.

Again, the reason Germany supports the EU and pays for projects in the East isn't because it is so beneficial for the German people... it is beneficial for the elites who want to sell their BMW cars or VW cars or machinery to Eastern Europe - that in turn only helps some Germans, but not most Germans.

We would all be better without the EU monetary transfer system and just a unified trade system without any monetary transfer of any sorts... and without the shitty Euro, but rather a Bretton woods type of fixed exchange rate system.

since I dont like arguing back and forth with mentally challenged retards.

here's a (you)

along with a pic of a shit

fuckwit nigger

More money>better consumers.
EU is obviously backed heavily by European big business, same for immigration and everything else.

>3rd biggest contributor
>EU still fucks with us
I hate this shit union and our government

Luxembourg and Belgium are only net receivers because we host a lot of EU institutions.

Anyway death to EUSSR etc etc

It's not a charity project, it's a federation project.

In the long run, it benefits everyone in the union/federation if standards of living are similar.

NEXIT NOW!!!!!

>your wages didn't increase since 1995 and quality of life for a common German has dropped too.
Exactly.

We are being fucked... for the benefit of certain elites who get richer from the EU. But funnily enough, people in Poland are being fucked with less by the EU than people in Germany. Polish people's life were objectively worse before Poland joined the EU. Life in your cities might be more expensive now, but you truly had real wage growth, something we haven't had for ages.

If you're an idiot, it might seem so on the surface.

or we fucking leave this shitshow of a union and retake our colonies to create the new Dutch empire.

should have made it your first priority to purge all the bolshevik fuckstains left over from WW2 in eastern germany along with their lenin messiah.

Not taken in countries with even more bolshevik fuckstains in them


stupid dumb germanistan scum

>Why do they need the EU help, or am I being retarded?
Luxembourg is a tax haven, correct. They need the EU to protect their tax haven status. They also get EU money for all the EU institutions located in Luxembourg - you got the ESM there, the ECJ, all kinds of other bullshit.

Luxembourg is actually a small town, I have been there several times and it is like walking through a village, or taking a taxi for 5min to get to the "financial areas", essentially ugly suburbs with shinny financial buildings where EU taxpayer funded bureaucratcs work for top euros to shit all over the common people.

Fuck Luxembourg, they are the worst.

thank you for your post mister Sheckelstein. We apreciate your support of greater Israel.

It's a charity for useless EU politicians in Brussels.
Brussels is a bottomless black hole that eats money. Hundreds of thousand worthless politicians and servants of said politicians.

That's only the tip of the iceberg.

Luxemburg's real scam is they backstab the other EU countries, and serve Globalist American corporations with tax evasion.

by the way, Netherlands and Ireland are big on this backstabbing game as well.

European "free market" isn't free, there are regulations and tariffs set in place to prevent members from trying to get a better place somewhere else. Its also what leads us to farming types of foods that aren't most profitable or throwing half of them away because they don't meet certain criteria.
Game is rigged heavily in your favor and that is my only problem with the union, I strongly believe that a certain from of european union should exist, however in current state it is absolutely garbage.

>should have

rolf.. thank you for your post Mister Sheckelstein.

Everyone's getting fucked, that's how it is.
EU isn't a bad thing in essence. What's bad are many details, like clear subservience to rich elites, or the fact you and I are talking in English, and not German or French, or the fact it's ideological roots are internationalist and not European.
EU right now is like a looser, shittier and progressive USA.
No future for something like that.

Exaggerated meme. Sure it's full of useless people like any bureaucracy but their expenses are minuscule.

>You reap the benefits of the supposed "support" you give to other countries.
Our elites do. The German people get fucked by the system. The German people work work work, but have no real wage growth, millions of Eastern European flood into Germany to depress wages (good for the elites!) and want apartment, increasing home prices.

And then all the crime and gibmee problems from immigration - both from Eastern Europe and from Africa and the Middle East. We have no-go areas in Germany now, while just 25 yrs ago these areas were nice neighborhoods. In the same 25yrs, German elites have gone from millionaires to multi-billionaires.

Yes, "we the Germans" are so evil and have benefitted so much... give me a freaking break. Is Romania flooded with immigration with no-go areas? Not really.

>Game is rigged heavily in your favor
no shit
if you have pure free trade you get what happened to the US
Our manufacturing, which was literally the fucking foundation of our status as a superpower in the past, is not located in every third world shithole around the world.

Germany is smart. That's all.

I don't think you understand what money really is. On a simpleton's level (like yourself), it probably seems like someone is taking money from your pocket and putting it in someone else's pocket. Actually this is far more complex. Money sitting in a bank account it worthless. Money becomes powerful when it changes hands often.

>Germany subsidizes Polish agriculture.
>Prices for Polish agriculture are really low due to subsidies.
>German consumers can buy this cheaper food, getting a return on their subsidy.
>German industry can buy this cheaper food, driving costs down and getting competitive edge.
>More work in German industry, more money in German's pockets.
>Polish workers also employed, more money in their pockets. Buy adidas tracksuits and food from LIDL. Maybe even a used mercedes benz from Germany.

That's the beauty of free trade, capitalists who already have billions like all those illegals, since they know that one day when hard working daddy builds up business and passes it on to his son, the son will say "fuck that" and sell it for good money to big capitalist, which only accumulates more ownership for globalists.

>Germany is smart. That's all.


I beg to disagree

You apparently don't know they get thousands of Euros in allowances for all first of bullshit.
They are the worst welfare recipients of all of EU.

The political parties are also granted millions of Euro to do various bullshit. (But they tightened it up a bit now, so only EU friendly parties gets to waste millions, while EU hostile parties are scrutinized and policed for every step they take)

>European "free market" isn't free

>be plumber dupchick
>EU offers fair trade
>plumber dupchick goes to Ukraina to shop sheap apples and chocolate
>import them into polakenland and sell it tripple the price inside of EU
>EU knows this shit and put regulation
>plumber dupchick is calling US marines to put down evil germans..

We get money because we do have the european court of justice and several other Eu institutions in Luxembourg. We just have a population of something about 550000 people we could never make enough money to balance the investements out.

You're correct but he's also correct. Problem is that money isn't shared by Germans, it mostly concentrates in the hands of few.
So yes, Germans profit, but some Germans profit far far more.
What's problem here is that those same rich Germans are the ones who are formulating EU policy, and national policy.
One aspects of that policy is bringing over half the Middle East to Europe.
It's a quick cheap solution to declining birth rates. It's also catastrophe in the making.

>used

It would have been smart if they played the long con slowly, instead of having couple of other EU countries on the brink of going bankrupt, one country leaving and having every other one flooded with darkies. It will just end up in another enormous crisis.

>The German people work work work

You make it sound like nobody other than Germans work. Your salaries are like 3x higher than in my country and plenty of lazy fucks to go around. Me doing my job is not less productive than a German doing it and because of this Estonia's wages are catching up. Slowly but surely.

It's the nations catching up working...Germans are just complacent and blaming others.

I'm just saying that in the grand scale of things that's mostly irrelevant, I'm not disagreeing with you in principle.

>tfw a third of the EU is carrying the other two thirds

Implying the developed states don't benefit immensely from having free trade with the East European states.

Luxembourg is just a fucking leach. That is all. You are the country that made Juncker the person he is today.

Evil people you are.

don't forget
>cost of living in Poland is much lower than in Germany
>wages are not nearly as high as they would be in their own country
:)

you know what I mean
I was speaking economically

On the whole, Germany, and pretty much every EU bureaucrat, has shit the bed worse than anyone could've imagined. And that's why you get mass censorship across all of Western Europe. Because the failure must be hidden for the lie to go on.

GIBS ME DATS

imperialism's a bitch


aint it frog boy?

This is how (((they))) exert control, creating dependancies and using them as political levers.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned it already, but....

EU Mercantilism when?
It is objectively the only economic system that works tbqh.

Well it's not that beautiful but it could be way way worse.
Most people are shit... youth completly spoiled.
We got tons of french people in luxembourg that nobody likes.
But least we got money, do you envy us?

user, nothing, absolutely nothing works when you have competition and free trade. The one with most money always wins and overrides every law you will ever create. Ban investment and everything will work.

I think you are underestimating just how much money disappears into Brussels.

It's literally a black hole that eats money and produces nothing.

Where did I say others don't work. What I am saying is that Germans work and they have no real wage growth while apartment costs go up massively due to immigration.

Your wage is lower because you were part of the Soviet Union. What can we do about that? Your wages are growing at least, ours are not.

Can you buy a nice apartment? In German cities, you can't - a nice apartment or house large enough for a family of 4 is virtually impossible to pay for by a normal German family. Only the shitty 1960s style commie blocks are affordable for German workers.

And it wasn't like this before. This all started with freedom of movement for Eastern Europeans. We have received 5 million Eastern Europeans - all of them flooded into our cities. And then the 2 million Afrians, Middle Easterns and Central Asians. They all flooded our cities.

Why? Because the elites benefit from these developments. The elites can afford their protected homes and protected areas. The German people cannot.

Germans are content with all of this, because of massive media propaganda and "bread and games". German football and German food and German festivals such as the Octoberfest are all used to keep the common German complacement. This is 1984 coupled with Roman "bread and games" here.

>the EU is attempting to sustain itself by leeching value from eastern european states to stave off demographic and economic collapse
>taking our cheap labor, our educated workforce, our resources and use our markets to sell lower quality crap
>this is also the reason why the EU wanted ukraine so bad
>the average westcuck is too rich and comfortable to realize what is going on and likes to smugly shit talk us instead of doing something about getting replaces with shitskins and durkas


I dont particularly give a shit, because I know hungary and hungarian culture will continue to survive, we have been through worse, but its just pretty funny how westcucks just submit to their EU overlords because it would be too inconvenient to resist.

this is why everone hates slavs. you fucks always count other people profits. you just cant live with it when someone is more clever than you earns more. you kill and surrender own countries to anglosaxons just because someone around you has it better.

>It's literally a black hole that eats money and produces nothing.


thats the definition of sociali9sm bro

and its why the USSR collapsed

next will be the Unites Soviet States of Yurope thats collapsing.

How did you get that from my post?

Nexit when.

> implying he is wrong

> tfw cucked

>user, nothing, absolutely nothing works when you have competition and free trade. The one with most money always wins and overrides every law you will ever create. Ban investment and everything will work.
In a race to the bottom, the country willing to wear rags and eat bugs will always win. But srs, back to my original question...

EU mercantilism WHEN?!?!?!

You didn't receive workers, you practically imported them. They flooded you? You opened the flood gates. Sure it may not be German worker's fault, but money works in a way that your workers employ those flooded people.

thank you for your post mister Sheckelstein.

Eastern Europeans aren't that big of a problem, they will integrate.
Non-Europeans however...

>No
> proceeds with an elaborate answer that boils down to 'Yes'

leave it to fucking germcucks to defend the EUSSR