How do you feel about non-violent parenting?

How do you feel about non-violent parenting?
Surely that is the basis of civilisation?

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my mom used to beat the shit out of me for doing stupid shit.

>not spanking your kids

I will parent non-violently but I also want to teach my kid how to fight back.

My parents never hit me and I've been extremely successful in school and pursuing a career. But I was a complete pussy for years

You don't have to hit your kids but you should discipline them and make them respect adult authority.
Not doing so and spoiling your kids rotten results in stunted narcissistic faggots like Elliot Rodgers.

You should use reason, not violence. Otherwise your child will be a brute.

I support non-violent parenting, including spanking.
The greatest violence you can do to a kid is to let it think it can get away with being a little shit.

Non-spankers let society do the unpleasant aspect of their parental role - that is, teaching their child the hard side of life.
Oftentimes this encourages escapism, rebelliousness or even drug abuse among teens who up to then had only thought of the world as the consensual, tolerant, well-meaning microcosm their parents spoiled them in.

Combine this with an educational and political system which finds the idea of infantilized, retarded, unquestioning or useful-idiot masses more than appealing and you get SJWs and cultural marxism.
That is, an environment where the state replaces the parents as the authority which intervenes to shut out hardhitting truths and shields its underprivileged offspring ; this is referred to as "empowerment" in Newspeak: see Camille Paglia on the evolution of feminism.

Anti-spanking is most popular in northern Europe and I think that contributes a lot to why they are more permeated by liberal American degenerate concepts (and nanny-state socialism!).

how violent are we talking about?

So we need child abuse so that we can have intolerance of 'degeneracy' and remain stuck in the stone ages forever

Any violence. It's very common that a gentle spanking will lead to an increase of violence over time as it starts to lose the fearful effect it once had

Wow frechfag amazing write-up
Where the fuck did you get such good English from?

I don't know your definition of violent but if you look at all these fucking millenials you no the lack of violence is cause of that. Fucking victims of free parenting.

Why do you want all kids to grow up to be total herbs?

Violence is part of life. Learning to be assertive and a little aggressive when the occasion requires it is good.

Violent parenting is litterally inefficient except in very rare circumstances, and generally, when the parent resorts to violence its in anger, which only teaches the kid that their parents are a lose cannon they have to be afraid of.

This.

There is a difference between being strict and being violent. Unfortunately most modern parents are neither.

a friend of mine only hits his sister when she fucks up, she seems to respect the shit out of him and never wants him to be angry at her.
He is kind of her teacher too, whenever she has a question he answers her, maybe this helped their relationship.
I find this to be balanced.

Just once I'd like to see an EU poster not be a fag. Thats asking too much I guess.

Your seeing the results of violent parenting here a lot of the time. Molyneux is bang on right on this one.

There's no point being violent with little kids. You can yell at them or withhold things they like as punishment and they'll hate that just as much as getting hit.

At least until you actually hit them. Then that's the only punishment they'll respond to.

You are a caveman. Maybe violence is a part of life in your era. Not in 2017

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Violence is life. You don't teach your children that, they will be unprepared for when it is inflicted on them. They will die. Your seed will fail. Your legacy withers away.

That is the cost of your conscience.

It’s not about violence or nonviolence but about smart violence versus stupid violence.

You can raise your kids to be samurai-focus zen-monks of efficiency with some rods at the right moments with the right level of harm.

The men in 2017 are a fucking disgrace. Effeminate, weak, afraid of their own shadow.

I'd rather be a caveman, thanks.

We have nothing to be afraid of, because our societies are non-violent.

> our societies are non-violent

...For now. What will you do when the shit hits the fan? Run away like a scared mouse?

>oh my god, the 0.0000001% chance of dying in terrorism, I'm so unsafe!
Remove yourself from Europe. Africa is more suited to you.

It seems to me you're the type of person who wants to bring Africa to Europe, so I think it is you who needs to be removed, traitor.

Besides, your chance of dying in terrorist attacks will continue to increase if nothing gets done. Though if we're expecting the average european millennial male to defend his territory, we might as well start ordering our coffins. lmao

And still you're living in Brazil, shitposting on Sup Forums, not reproducing and not making Aryan children.

Clearly it doesn't work.
No amount of beatings would make you a decent human being, Paco.

Yes, my parents used to kick my ass too.

Yeah, this.
You can raise children to be strong without needlessly beating them.
Be strict & firm, but fair & act without violence.
If you can't get your children to obey without threatening them with violence, YOU are the failure. Not the child.

your post makes 0 sense
and paco is the mexican name, newfag.

> Reason = attempting logical discourse with a being that prioritizes self-gratification over empathy >143609283

>It seems to me you're the type of person who wants to bring Africa to Europe, so I think it is you who needs to be removed, traitor.
It's definitely you who want to copy the societies of Africa and the Middle East. These methods work so well.
And you still think terrorism has a place in this discussion. It is an irrelevance.

Teacher here. You can tell the kids whose parents neglect them with 'non-spanking' philosophies. The children are on-the-whole dumber, because they lack discipline, less empathetic, because they don't stop to consider others, etc.

It's shocking that people would forego physical punishment.

Western civilization, civilization in general, was built on discipline and respect.
Spanking is an educational tool, not an end in itself.
Haven't you seen the good military discipline does on lost souls?
This is kind of the same thing going on.

Well how is that negative exactly? Are children supposed to see their parents as 2D potemkin teletubbies their whole lives? Should children not somewhat "fear" the hand that feeds them in the first place, much like one fears God?

There is actually a pretty strong consensus on this issue here in France to the point that I'm stunned to see people on an anonymous board being so tame.

Lived in England for a few years as a child and this is an issue I feel strongly about ;)

> terrorism is an irrelevance
Ok, is the demographic displacement of Europe irrelevant too?

What do you think those barbaric cultures will do when they meet the weak, effeminate west? Have you ever opened a history book?

Physically punishing your children is natural, and beneficial. Outright beating them savagely because you’re angry is niggerly.

If you think western civilization didn't allow and practice physical punishment of children during its most virile and expansive phases you're most certainly clinically retarded.

The evidence is against you. Spanked children do worse on all sorts of outcomes.

>Ok, is the demographic displacement of Europe irrelevant too?
It's massively overhyped.

Physical punishment of children is increasingly illegal in Europe. And I think we're more civilised now than when we were 'expansive'

>Spanked children do worse on all sorts of outcomes.
That's why they got spanked, lol

>It's massively overhyped.

We have a saying here in this country that goes something like, the worst kind of blind man is the one that doesn't want to see. Yep.

civilized in this context is just an euphemism for sissified.

Goes against what he's saying, regardless.

People wildly overestimate how Islamic their societies are and are going to be.

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Like most things in life, moderation is key

When it suits you, you believe this. When you want to be racist you make fun of blacks for being violent.

And it's increasingly illegal everywhere, even here.

But, to the point: being 'civilized' isn't solving the problems this board complains about all the time, it's rather a cause of them. It's precisely the death of a dynamic culture and all that jazz. You know what I'm talking about.

Everything has to be put into perspective to evaluate how useful or pertinent it is. Civilization in general, and the prohibition of spanking in particular, do nothing but further the "pussyfication" problem the west is facing. And thus it's an undesirable thing to shill.

This.

how to fix kids

>internet is a privilege to be worked for, 1 hour of jobs helping around the house and property is half hour of internet - this includes usage for school assignments
>If too young to work for internet privilege no internet for you
>smartphones, ipads all that shit not allowed until 16
>mandatory hour everyday working around the house - no reward, the reward is you get to live there
>physical discipline is essential by both parents
>respect for women and god will be instilled from a young age
>outings, holidays and fun shit will work on a points per approved reading material system e.g 10 books read (books parents have read so can discuss with child) is one days holiday earned
>the child should be encouraged to play sports, both team orientated and individual to learn social kills, teamwork and individual to learn how to operate independently with confidence (even if the kid doesnt like the sport at least you're giving them the skills to be able to play said sport if they change their minds later in life)
>bullying will be dealt with physically, by both parents
>If the child will be educated on anything they wish to acquire e.g if a computer is wanted by the child (strictly for schoolwork and self learning) the child will have to learn the history of computers, right down to how they mine the gold and silicon for circuits etc

How useful or pertinent is barbarism?

People wildly overestimate how Islamic their societies are and are going to be.
In Sweden women are already being discouraged from leaving their homes at night. How long until they have to walk around in trashbags and be chaperoned by a man lest some fucking sandnigger rapes them?

Blacks ARE violent but in an unproductive way. Our violence allowed us to build empires spanning the entire globe.

I already explained it in : 'civilized' behavior is not fuctional considering what """our""" goals are. Why would you call it "barbarism" when it was a constituent part of western expansion, it'd seem, though? Nothing alien about it. Do you even know what barbaric is supposed to evoke.

You're right man. I totally agree with you. Basically, almost all of modern societies problems are rooted in bad parenting that produced spoiled, delusional children that have not the slightest clue how the world works. Discipline and logical punishment is not equal to violence.

Teaching your kids to fight is also important.

Not all things in western civilization are good you fanatical smug. Beating kids is nigger education.

You were talking about demographic displacement in Europe. Not about Islamic crime in Sweden. I don't consider Islamic culture good either by the way.

Western expansion was unspeakably barbaric. It's not okay just because it's white people. And domestic society was a violent, oppressive patriarchy all round.

Light spanking or even a slap for life-threatening cases when they grow older are enough physical punishment. The rest has to be discipline and dissuasion with the perspective of a sanction in case they cross the line.

Usage of unleashed strength is absolutely unacceptable in any circumstance whatsoever though. Kids understand very well at the emotional level the difference between a controlled light spank and sheer violence, and the latter can fuck them up. High self-control is advised.

Pro tip: my wife and I have a "red alert" switch, where the other intervenes upon a quick sign when one of us finally loses patience and feels like he's going to plaster one of the kids in the wall, which happens at regular intervals.

Beating the shit out of them like a nigger would, sure. But the other extreme in this spectrum is equally undesirable.

Virtue is in the middle, as some faggot a long time ago suggested. Poison is a matter of dosing, as we say around here.

Then our disagreement seems to stem from the fact that we don't share the same goals, friend. Nevermind then, go on with your thread and hopefully we'll see each other during TDOTR. Good afternoon.

I rarely spank kids, mostly when they knowingly disrespect people. Little bastards are like animals, we gotta beat them at the acting like an animal game so that they start wanting to play the act civilized game.

Nothing beats hitting a kid that raises his hand at people. Watching him realise his place in the universe, building up the autistic screech before crumbling down in tears, displaying their animal instincts crying for something to save them from the predator.

No saviour comes. They realize they are alone and no one can save them but themselves. Their violent instincts are still there, but their only release becomes hitting other kids that are being disrespectful and haven't learned yet, and then you don't need to hit no more kids anymore because the kids are hitting each other now, controling themselves, and a glint of cilization bursts from the playground and I know this world is saved.

soft kid, undisciplined, hence the regular intervals of fuckups.
>red alert switch
just smack the cheeky little cunt, your light spankings aren't doing shit, kid knows this and is playing you both for fools.

kids going to have no respect, leave home asap and observe from a distance waiting for you to die and get all your stuff.
remember this

>How do you feel about non-violent parenting?
Behavior is genetic. If you and your wife are 160 IQ aristocrats, then you can probably get away non-violent parenting. If you and your wife are underclass proles, then your kids will probably be dumb and violent, and will need physical discipline.

Used to sneak out a lot and fight and be dumb kid and ding doing ditch and shit. Always got caught, would be grounded. Would do it again next month. Accidentally did a bomb threat once and dropped paint on my driveway. Dad beat the living shit out of me both times. Never did another bomb threat.
>tldl you learn discipline through pain not words

>Accidentally did a bomb threat
>Never did another bomb threat

... something about this story makes me think

if my kid is a total retarded animal like you then maybe physical beatings are necessary

Sometimes violence is necessary as a reminder of what could happen.

Of course, you'd need to reward the kid for completing the task.

Basically, it's a way of saying do as I tell you and you'll get a reward. Violence is optional.

It's not. 10-16/18 are good enough ages for physical discipline. Because that's how understanding of the law, understanding of the action and consequence develops. rods, paddle and cane (instruments used in our household) represent the legal action in its severity appropriate to misbehaving. Main thing is to avoid random beating - that's child abuse. Our mother and governess had a notebook for each kid, where she kept track of misbehavior during the week and where to each fuck-up certain amount of strokes was adjusted. On Saturday at 10 AM punishment began. Before the time it was our job, to bring long wooden bench in the center of the living room, prepare tools and wait. Then our governess would walk in, read from each note aloud what happened during the week and proceed with punishment. By seniriority. Elder sister first, me next and younger bro last. Once it's done with you, you wait until everyone receives it. If you didn't had misbehaviour during the week, then you just watch. All of our family are decent citizens with no issues in the end of the day

Parenting should be like this. Firm but fair for infractions against the rules.

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... sadly likely true

Best post.
Kids will respond to what they know is your limit.

In some states including mine you can hit kids all you want as long as you don't leave any marks or use a weapon. Don't emotionally scar them, at most spank or slap them across the face for misbehavior. What people really need to understand is environment. Don't enroll your kids in schools with lots of shitskins, live in high crime neighborhoods, associate with niggers, etc.

Take out the whip and scars out of equation and you are right.

I... Maybe this is true.
My family is aristocratic, and have married true, so that is my experience.
I assumed that my experience woukd apply to all children, but you've made me unsure.
Though I'm pretty sure that Maria Montessori and Rudolf Stenier worked with lower class children with excellent results...

it's actually common in old traditional families to use systematic caning or paddling, my friend

Indeed. Corporal punishment is effective and moral if it's done systematically and with good reason.

Part of the issue is if you are a "Do as I do." parent, or a "Do as I say not as I do." Guess which one is more likely to need to spank their kids. If you are a poor example for your child in how you live your life they are going to reflect that.

The other part is IQ, yours and theirs. and as points out, that is mostly down to genetics.

Literally the direct action-consequence methodological teaching
>at the age of 14
>smoke a cigarette outside of the house
>come in home to drink some tea
>governess comes over and asks if I smoked
>I said no
>she calls to check on with parents
>sixty paddle strikes of paddle, thirty of cane for smoking and twenty for lying
>can't comfortably sit for some weeks
>no issues with smoking either

Modern behavioral genetics has confirmed that all aspects of personality are highly heritable. Most normal white boys will need occasional physical discipline from about the age of 3. If your son is a low-T manlet or extremely intelligent and reasonable, physical discipline may be avoidable. With white girls, physical discipline can be avoided in all but the most extreme cases.

My two cents, your kid needs to be somewhat scared of pissing you off. Spanking on occasion for serious offenses, a slap for when they really fuck up, but beating your kid senseless or with a belt has let to me finding more drug addicts and prison-brute screw-ups than anything else. The threat of reprisal is more effective than simply beating their ass every day if you want to instill good behavior.

You want to teach them how to fight though. I got in tons of fights in grade school and I only started winning them because I took martial arts and I had been in so many that I eventually learned how to fuck someone up. If your kid loses a fight, they'll end up getting fucked with while they're younger. If your kid gets into a fight and kicks the other kid's ass, people won't want to fuck with him unless he's an easy fuse.

They'll be opinionated, but don't let them become fervent about their opinions like I did cause that got me into a lot of fights for dumb ass reasons when I was younger.

Finally forcing them to do shit they don't want to do is only going to make them hate it. My father used to force me to do math because he was a math professor and since then I still fucking hate doing it. If I wasn't forced, I would have a better attitude about it. Still, I'm a computer programmer so something stuck.

good in theory, impossible in practice. i have to swat my sons ass every now and then. it snaps him back into reality. it's not violence any more than smacking your own face when you're tired.
you know what happens after a justified spanking? the kid apologizes to you.
ever see those faggy peacenik parents with their shithead kids in the grocery? mom is raising her voice but the kids dont give a fuck? that's what happens when they know youre a liberal who knows all the letters after lgbt. it's about respect and any adult who was hit as a kid understands this.

Well put. Even if you have professional diplomatic skills, you still wouldn't be able to teach the aspect of discipline

>a liberal who knows all the letters after lgbt
That's a good one.

bump

I'll never have children so I don't really care.

:/

I'll be off this shithole of a planet within the next decade or so.

Any civilized person won't hit their kids.

Traditional Europeans, British schools not so long ago, Japan, Singapore and Korea all apply cane, rods and paddles

ill give you the perspective of a father of two
a level fear of consequence from a father and mother is good for kids to have in their hearts
like anything else theres an impossible balance to strive for as a parent when disciplinary action is required. your kids can be the thing in your life that you love and struggle for while also being the most challenging part. i have found my method to be effective when im at my best as a parent:
the only instances of disciplinary contact i make is gripping their hand firmly to get attention and using my hand to move their head to force eye contact when im explaining to them why theyre fucking up. i speak sternly and clearly at the language level they can understand. afterwards i demand they repeat it back to me and i dont let them carry on until they do. during tantrums i use the timeout method after explaining why and telling them theyre allowed to return to the family when theyre able to behave themselves the way the family needs them to.
when i fuck up as a parent because of a bad day or the kids need a very urgent lesson in behavior or the kids have pushed the envelope too far i have raised my voice or struck wrists enough to startle them or gripped their arm to take them aside/away from their issue and not in a violent way but a very obvious you done fucked up now kiddo kinda way.
the result of this parenting style has been no tantrums outside the home, relatively good obedience unless theyre tired or od level sugar rush, and their vocabulary for empathy/sympathy/describing their feelings is well beyond their peers.
take that information for why you will
i think kids need to know you can use physical discipline but you would do well to avoid it