Is the maker movement degenerate or based?

Crafts are essential to mankind, but there is something wrong with doing too much oneself. The maker movement encourages people to do their own shit rather than pay other to do it more efficiently.
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How is being resourceful degenerate?


Is (((someone))) behind this?

I love his videos on that Museum with the old music machines. The bell tower that could be played like a piano was GOAT.

By the way I don't endorse the video or producer. I am probably related to him remotely but I live in the USA.

No, learning to build cool shit yourself is literally the opposite of degeneracy. Then, once you realize you suck at it, you'll either A. pay someone else to do it or B. live with your shit because you're broke.

This is about extreme hobbyism making him a lesser man.

As machine manufacturing improves (laser cutting, 3d printing, etc.) It will be most efficient to make something independently at least when designing prototypes or single products. It also motivates individuals to create which forces them to learn actual skills as opposed to worthless humanities which has plagued academia for some time.

I see absolutely no wrong in building cool shit for fun. It's about the mindset. These guys are geniuses but they're squandering their minds on infantile indulgences like marble runs.

this doesn't really seem like its related to the maker movement, where's the 3D printer and novelty sign that says "MAN CAVE"?

No it's definitely maker movement. It's everywhere. Maker movement is doing everything yourself and for the most part making shit.

How is it degenerate to craft an impressive device by working backwards with a song?

I've got a helper?

from some protest "maker" skelton hands

Shut it, you fucking autist.

The Maker Movement is the degeneration of the indisutrial socierty...it's literally the right-wring version of this book.

ghost gunner is the only non-degenerate offshoot of the maker movement

Oh you fucking german.

You know what this is, it's the manifestation of germans. I feel like I could work with you and then fight you in the same day.

>muh degeneracy
Fucking idiots keep ruining that word.

>These guys are geniuses but they're squandering their minds on infantile indulgences like marble runs.
How come, all of a sudden, all of you JEWS HATE THE MAKER MOVEMENT cucks suddenly hate it?...seems like Maker Movement is now being shilled AGAINST.

>I don't see degeneracy.
>t. dirth South American
If you can't see the fish, you're it...applied to degenerates.

Building cool shit was and will always be based, it is kind of what made America. People building computer in their garage and soon after you have Apple and Microsoft.

>but there is something wrong with doing too much oneself.

>This is about extreme hobbyism making him a lesser man.
This 'amount of hobbyism' is ANY hobbyism.
Get a fucking job you new age 'fight the factory' hippies.

its based because then you dont have to rely on the jewish economy and corporations

>Doing shit yourself and literally becoming a craftsman is "degenerate"

What you have to consider in regards to value is how much value you put on a skill that will grow and improve, and provide a measure of self sufficiency.

I feel it's priceless.

>but there is something wrong with doing too much oneself.
The problem is the "I'll do it all myself" attitude, and the idea that a single man can replace specialists...it's that these 'makers' do not recognize value that is not obvious...makers are STEM grads under the delusion that "you can do anything," when in fact you can do more by specializing.

>I'm advanced, I will rely on others as little as possible.
>t. barbarian

It is actually the right word. Great minds are becoming degenerate because they are focusing on feeble things like marble runs instead of great things.

Why the fuck does this exist. This guy is smart and monied. Why is he making 20,0000 or whateva marbles runs.
youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q

Make a damn solar concentrator instead.

>he maker movement encourages people to do their own shit rather than pay other to do it more efficiently.

Who are you and why do you keep making this thread? Why did you make this thread with an american flag this time when you're in the thread responding like the canacuck you are?

>The problem is the "I'll do it all myself" attitude, and the idea that a single man can replace specialists

This is the constant song from you, the absolute globalist nonsense where everything is just disposable consumerism, and nothing needs to be fixed or maintained.

Social cohesion comes from community and community thrives with self-reliance. You share skills, which is specialization. But the MAKER part is that you get skills that are devalued by society and make them part of your country's assets again.

By sharing making skills you cut out the greedy jews such as yourself. You don't import their cheap tat. You fix things outside their "authorized" services.

You are fucking cancer. Day of the rake soon.

FUCK wrong video
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Do you think makers actually believe they can make something superior, because most seem to "make" for the pride in creating something bespoke, and the learning experience

Usually they have a specialization themselves, why shit on people doing something constructive, it's not like they are dropping out of the economy and most likely they are meeting and learning from other constructive individuals

It is good. Very Marxist. As a species, we're supposed to be creative in our production. But industrialization alienated us from our species-essence. You go to work, make a bunch of shit according to "standards" that someone else designed, make thousands of things all the same way, and they are taken away from you and sold for the profit of someone else.

This ties in to why so many people are depressed by the way. See this thread.

Yeah if you can make something for yourself or someone you care about, and enjoy doing it, then we need more of that sort of thing in the world.

>creativity is degenerate

I wonder who is behind this post

This is a slide thread for the pro-maker-movement thread.

I am not whoever you presume made it previously. First time I've made such a thread.

It is something we germanics need to consider.

A couple years ago I made crafts for fun. And then I started my own business and now have four employees. I fail to see how this is degenerate. Instead it gives me the freedom to do what I want to do and make money doing it. I take off whenever I want and work on my own schedule.

Fuck your stupid thread.

This is a political debate on whether the maker movement is good or bad for civilization. I have laid out arguments.

>We critisize the Maker Movement, as it's bad.

False. The Maker Movement improves freedom by decreasing interdependance. Only (((they))) would hate the Maker Movement.

Move along (((shill))).

>First time I've made such a thread.

HAHAHAHAHAHAA

Good for you. It's not necessarily bad and may be out of time.

>First time I've made such a thread.

Original talking points general

>First time I've made such a thread.

Wow this sure is an original OP

>First time I've made such a thread.

Yeah I think you really need to make a new format for this. Changing the OP text really makes it harder to find all instances, still there are hundreds.

What is your fucking goal?

>First time I've made such a thread.

What's the fucking end goal of this master plan?

>First time I've made such a thread.

Who pays you?

so this fucking kike found out about Matthias Wandel's marble machines? another stolen idea.

>First time I've made such a thread.

We're back in June now and I'm not even showing all the entries or variations.

Nobody is this autistic for free.

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Based.

So what if someone else made a thread before? It's an idea.

I do appreciate your research. Shills spam threads like you posted to fuck any communication on the matter. They want the threads to get banned so nobody can talk about tech because tech is the crucial point right now.

The Maker Movement is a good movement. It's pro civilization.

It would be extremely wasteful if everyone would make their own things instead of specializing into different trades.

>Nobody is this autistic for free.
It hurts.

>there is something wrong with doing too much oneself.

no

>The maker movement encourages people to do their own shit rather than pay other to do it more efficiently.

ok.... and?

Can you please assume the possibility that I'm just another person making the same argument?

I don't even assume the possibility you're a different person from canacuck, who's right over there: Instead of "you both" fucking around in here, how about you explain the purpose of this goddamn spam threading?

I don't understand why you keep making these threads? Why do you hate hobbies? who spends their time worrying that some dude made a birdhouse?

The fuck is wrong with you? I'm legitimately giving you a chance to turn someone who disagrees with you to your side, please explain yourself.

The original Maker Movement threads are pro-Maker-Movement.

> People building computer in their garage and soon after you have Apple and Microsoft.

A very small number of people were building computers in their garage. The rest were willing and able to work for someone else. But that's changed. Now more people want to start their own thing, and there's less people willing to work for somebody else.

As in, if those people building the newest garage tech want to be Microsoft, they will have a much harder time because they won't find anybody willing to work for them and build it into a big company. If everybody wants to be a leader, who is left to lead?

Because not everything needs to be productivity? Holy fuck, your life is boring.

You can't know what is most efficient economically for other people. If people choose to make shit themselves then it's because they have determined that the cost/benefit ratio is favorable.

>youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q

Holy fuck I hate this video so god dam much.

This guy is doing nothing more then pressing play while looking like an absolute attention whoring faggot.

There is no musical ability being shownh ere just a guy cranking a wheel to play a song which has been prefabricated.

Hipster's version of press play on mac to play music.

They only people who have a problem with this are the jews, who have a reliance on being the middleman.

And I don't agree.

Maker = Jack of all trades. They can impress but they are squandering themselves.

He built the ungodly thing, but it's just an impressive waste of time.

Consumer goods are fucking garbage these days.
>shell out 100€ on mixer
>plastic gears
You have to pay at least four times the amount in Euro you used to pay in DM to get similar quality.
But apparently this is how (((they))) hide superinflation (not quite hyper yet) now.

>They can impress but they are squandering themselves.
I am also anti-Maker Movement. But why has Maker Movement opposition been said to be Jews...,.for the last year...is Sup Forums realizing that Jews don't cause white degeneracy?

I think it's pretty cool, but it turns out it's "fake". Though the machine was designed to actually play the song, it is unable to do so in a continuous take due to "bugs".

It's definitely more fun and impressive than pressing play on a computer, the guy did actually write the song after all, which is much more impressive than simply playing a song.

You'd be right if the guy didn't actually make it himself. The talent is frontloaded in designing a extremely large music box.

Personally I'm a fan.
I make most of my shit I need even though I could by cheaper pre made consumer products. If I need a box, cupboard, table. I'll make it myself. If I was inclined to build a musical instrument is make that to. I have no need for it though.

He wrote the piece of music it plays, he then had to time the marble drops and everything else to get the right sound to be made at the right time.
Yes he's a hipster faggot but he's a talented hipster faggot.

Crafts are cool but it gets irritating how these clubs get invited to do talks at schools, invite excessive women in, all respect certain political boundaries (even though more intelligent than normies and being aware of regulations that affect them), always seem to have their 503c under an unbrella group you would rather not be a part of...

On the other hand it would be hard to find others to do hobby without all that bullshit.

Who the fuck is paying you and why do you keep making this thread?


Sup Forums this is an honest to goodness thread made by some type of anti-freedom think tank.

Keep notice of how many times you see this thread over the next few months.

and who are you to pass judgement? To be a gatekeeper of what is and isn't ok to do?
From all you said I can only come to the conclusion that you have an agenda
let's take a look at what you've said
>The maker movement encourages people to do their own shit rather than pay other to do it more efficiently.
>It's about the mindset
>Maker movement is doing everything yourself
>but they are squandering themselves.

>The maker movement encourages people to do their own shit rather than pay other to do it more efficiently.
>encourages people to do their own shit rather than pay other to do it
a JEWISH agenda

Only Sup Forums would consider having a hobby and building cool shit to be degenerate. Jesus Christ.

Here I consolidated the posts. This is the only post I made on the subject on Sup Forums. I just remember a post someone made where they said makerism is the downfall of humanity. He has a point. It's taking bright minded individuals and making them do worthless things.

Such attacks are all over society. Everything is targeted. Who is doing it I don't know but it's devious and it must stop.

>be crafty jew
>need new trick to get shekels from goyim
>what if i tricked them into caring for their property, doing their own repairs and even creating their own useful products?

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You really do fascinate me, I cant possibly parse your motives for making these threads, day in, day out. There really is no making sense of you; It must be some personal bet with yourself that if you can get people to accuse you of "shilling" for something so strange it... justifies some opinion of yours?

I dunno, man. fill me in.

I unno what this thread is about but I'm groovin

Cool mang

I think you're confused there buddy, I'm saying that op is a fag who's afraid of people not paying for their (((services)))

>Crafts are essential to mankind, but there is something wrong with doing too much oneself. The maker movement encourages people to do their own shit rather than pay other to do it
This is your brain on capitalism

I don't think its degenerate. It takes a lot of tinkering to learn even the simplest mechanics. Its why kids with supportive parents end up building shit like muclear reactors in their garage at the age of 12.

Well even if your not a genius it surely pays to learn how to fix a car, a computer, a tv. I've done all the above and have saved thousands.

Plus its a healthy hobby to use your brain. Its not just about saving money, its about having a life and showing the state that yes you have interests as a complex individual.

This is an example of smart talented people squandering their skills setting up dominoes instead of assembling sattelites or fusion reactors.

youtube.com/watch?v=96LawfHPh6s

*satellites

"is learning degenerate? Is innovating degenerate? Is potentially lifting yourself out of obscurity and poverty degenerate? China makes stuff better than you can, so you should just go work at McDonalds. Actually, most adults do everything better than kids, so school is useless too"

Vid of dominoes falling
youtube.com/watch?v=Q0jeohWnmAQ

This is impressive but REALLY STUPID. Why not make some 3d printed turbine. Why the fuck are kids building and destroying dominos and not designing next generation turbines?

You don't see china competing for domino world records. Their kids are learning useful skills.

Because he wanted to make a neat video about dominoes, not a turbine.
Nevermind that metal 3D printing is still expensive and not to everyone's reach.

Fixing your own shit isn't the same as being a "maker". Every man should have basic mechanical skills.

That event probably cost at least $200k just for flights and hotels for the families of the kids. It's hella expensive.

They could have used that money and design time to compete to design the best 3d printed turbine. Simulate and print.

Setting up dominos is STUPID.

And before anyone asks you can 3d print metal

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It's an inefficient allocation of time and no better than sitting on your ass smoking weed all day.

That thing is fake as fuck btw.

It's about people trying to be jack of all trades and squandering their resources. Crowdfunding projects etc. It seems like an innocent idea on the surface but in every case I know it's failed and is basically hedonist.

Yeah it's fake like potato HAHA

Yes I agree singapore. Maybe asia has been pushing the maker movement in america, to make would-be manufacturers succumb to hedonistic desires for instant profit.

Barbarians at the gates.

Video is staged, machine is real and designed for purpose, it just can't make it through the whole song without fucking up.

And by asia I mean china.

America is completely blind to china.

You are a total fucking lunatic, or worse, that cunt that always bitches about someone not being productive every microsecond of their life.
Why are you posting here, if the latter?

Yup, the guy said it after. He was inspired by a pretty cool machine though, one that actually works (unlike his piece of shit).
youtube.com/watch?v=xs0mP2cOmJs

Based... definitely I made my own fleshlight out of a pringles can a tube of bathroom silicon sealant.. saved heaps!

>The Maker Movement seems like an innocent idea on the surface but in every case I know it's failed and is basically hedonist.

Exactly. 'Makers' are no better than 'gamers.' Both sacrifice their time for short term goals.

Money is a symbol of worth, and this worth is what Makers seek...Makerism is regressive.