The Catalonia Situation

Can someone redpill me on the Spain/Catalonia Situation?

its the motive similar to brexit? or more like Ireland?

too many contradictory sources

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War
politico.eu/article/catalonia-independence-spain-immigration-the-new-catalans/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_nationalism#Basque_nationalist_organizations
liveleak.com/view?i=8e4_1506913589
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It is about freedom and democracy. Catalans are a different etnicity with different culture than Spain and wish an independent state.

The problem with Catalonia is that xernagos and manolos have outbreed them in their homecountry. The manolos in Catalonia are cucks but usefull idiots for the independist

commie kikes trying to destroy Spain

nothing to do with fighting NWO, this is a plan to weaken Spain, then use Catalonia as a chip to negotiate a permanent inclusion in the EU

this is how its going to go down, so read carefully

The EU wants to become a country, full on country, so they will divide internally the larger regions, like Spain, and then appear to be the "counsel", and the "middle ground"

they will say

>both Spain and Catalonia can federalize to the EU, that way, you both become the same, Europe.

they create a problem, they provide the solution, the EU will be proposed as a solution to micro balcanization

lol, kys kike shill

>freedom and democracy

you just love that script dont you?

catalonia is only prosperous part of spain and they're tired of nigger spics leeching from them

>Europe collapsing
>Worst shooting in US history

((()))

moor rape babies want to keep their gibs from the very productive catalonian region, who just want to enjoy the fruits of their own labor.

EU says the vote was not legal

nice line you shill faggots, you think that by copying some meme words, all of the sudden ill believe you?

lol

to appear to be a neutral party, they are not, see

kill yourself

N.A.A

Catalans have never been independent, they have always belonged to someone. 300 years ago the Crown of Aragon and the Crown of Castille came together through royal marriage, making the Crown of Castille the owner of all Aragon lands, which is what today you call Catalonia.

After Franco died, Spain passed a vote for a constitution to become a democracy. The Constitution ensured the unity of Spain, and made it illegal for any region to leave Spain (Because all regions belonged to Spain anyway, but we still wanted a democracy and not a dictatorship).


So, everyone voted yes on the institution (including 98% of Catalans). But for the last 20 years there's been a lot of brainwashing by the Catalan leftist media that Spain is evil and fascist, this is also reflected in the fact that most of Spain votes Right wing/Centrist while Catalans tend to vote Left wing, which makes Catalans feel like they'll never be able to have a say in votes because they are alone in their political views. That, mixed with a reborn of nationalism, has created a large population of Left leaning Catalans who think themselves to be both intellectually and morally superior to the oppressing fascist Spanish force. Sort of like California thinks Texans are fucking retarded?
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So, Catalans elected a ''president'' to work out how Cataluña leaving Spain would work out, but of course they found themselves cockblocked because the Spanish constitution does not allow for such a thing, and if it were to happen, it would not be on the Catalans alone to vote as such, it would require all Spaniards from all regions to vote (Because under the constitution, we are all Spaniards). Due to this, Catalans are basically saying ''Well if I can't leave legally, fuck you and fuck your constitution'' which suffice to say, it's very unconstitutional and the Spanish state has all the rights to send in the army and take over the entire region, it even has the power to disband the Catalan police force if they want.

Good post, and this is not the only case: have you seen how the alleged """Nationalists""" in Scotland are (((curiously))) actually Globalists?

>every fucking time

>brainwashing that Spain is evil and fascist
>literally tons of footage all around the western media where Spanish polices attack Catalan civilians and even firemen who tried to protect them
Fuck off Hitler.

>Police officers hitting and forcefully moving people from government buildings when they refuse to comply to direct orders is fascism


Ah, so I guess niggers are on the right and whitey is evil. Fuck having laws and shit! I can just sit refuse to comply with a police officer (who is there representing the constitution everyone voted for) and call it ''pacifically protesting''.

so far the most reasonable post i have read

i have also seen pictures of activists with soviet flags in said protests so maybe the commie narative is true

You don't have an academic degree and it's pretty blatant, senpai. You're full of shit if you actually believe anything that your filthy fingers produce.

Enjoy living in a shit tier dictatorship.

Well, you have to understand the only force opposing Franco when he invaded Barcelona and Madrid were literally Marxists. So any sentimient of Catalan nationalism is very clearly going to be influenced with communism. Funny how only the communist party in Spain (Podemos) was blaming the police and not the protesters, heh?

Also isnt that region of spain accepting Rapefugees too? The Bacelona attack was carried by the religion fo peace after all

>academic degree

I can't tell if you are saying that because you believe I would have been brainwashed with leftist propaganda in Universities, or there's something genuinely wrong with what I stated.
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Maybe you could leave insults aside and express your point. All I have done, is tell how our constitution work and what the reasoning behind the events in Barcelona were, which are pretty factual and logical when you think about it.

>(((Colour Revolution))) tactics advocate
>using "Hitler" as an adjective

Gee I wonder (((who))) could be behind this post.

>Catalans are a different etnicity with different culture than Spain

CATALARPING.

Of course, as one would expect from the most left leaning region of Spain. They had one of the biggest protest in EU (160k people went to the streets) protesting that more refugees are sent to Catalonia. The Mayor of Barcelona has repeatedly come out saying she was frustrated that the EU were ignoring them in their request, she's also a very well know hater of the Spanish military and tried to ban them from a convention in Barcelona a few years ago.
I find that the easiest way for an American to understand what Barcelona is like, is to compare the entire city to the Campus of a SJW infested university in the US. Sincerely.

lol

Basically, Soros (et al.) wants to fragment the countries in the EU into smaller regions, so that they lose greater national identity and accept regional identity under the EU banner.

This has been happening for quite a while now, and it's the next step to make Europe into the same bullshit that China and America are, to better facilitate totalitarian regional and then world government.

>spain has a monarchy
This is reason alone to leave desu

Didn't even read this before I posted, basically exactly this, glad to see people at least understand this.

Wow, you deserve a (you) for living in a parallel world.

>different entity and culture
What are you smoking?

>Enjoy living in a shit tier dictatorship.

But that is what we are all trying to prevent; you must be one of those that think the ((("""European""" Union))) was actually ever conceived to further the European race's best interests.

No, the goal is the European people's extinction and replacing them with """Europeans""" fresh out of Africa and the Middle East.

Read this to understand more:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War

>Only two countries openly and fully supported the Republic: Mexico and the USSR. From them, especially the USSR, the Republic received diplomatic support, volunteers, and the ability to purchase weapons. Other countries remained neutral, said neutrality being a great source of distress to the intelligentsia in the United States and United Kingdom, and to a lesser extent in other European countries and to Marxists worldwide. This distress led to the International Brigades, thousands of foreigners of all nationalities who voluntarily went to Spain to aid the Republic in the fight; they meant a great deal to morale but militarily were not very significant.

>The Republic's supporters within Spain ranged from centrists who supported a moderately-capitalist liberal democracy to revolutionary anarchists who opposed the Republic but sided with it against the coup forces. Their base was primarily secular and urban but also included landless peasants and was particularly strong in industrial regions like Asturias, the Basque country, and Catalonia.

The (((Republicans))) were a Jewish Bolshevik proxy attempting to open Western Europe's doors to the (((Soviets))).

This.

Yes, because accepting masses of low IQ non-Europeans sure is conductive to maintaining healthy, functional Western societies.

>16% of the population
>19% of the GDP

>WOW, WHAT A FUCKING MASSIVE RIPOFF; 3%!!! WHAT AN UNBALANCED SITUATION!!!!

faggot

What's more, haplogroups aren't even used to determine an individual's race.

Immigrants voted 25% for independence and 75% against, why do you think the spanish goverment is flooding us with them? To dilute our identity.

Subhuman that's not how it goes. It's not only paying more taxes than everyone but also that the spanish goverments takes everything we make and return only 90% of it, meanwhile other regions get 1/3 more than their GDP in gibs.

Im generally for sovereignty for areas of cultural/language difference with the home country. But in the case of Catalonia, no. They are a far leftist government who peak even more highly of the EU than Spain ever has.

There was only a 42% voter turnout. Spain declared the referendum unconstitutional multiple times resulting in a low turn out on top of all unionists boycotting. There were many instances of fraud, pic related.

I'm guessing Spain will be invoking Article 155 to dissolve the Catalonian Parliament as well as ending home rule.

eur/usd keeps tanking hard

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>Immigrants voted 25% for independence and 75% against, why do you think the spanish goverment is flooding us with them? To dilute our identity.

That is what the ((("""European""" Union))) has been doing all along yet I've seen no criticism from that institution in any of your proxy samefag sliding shitposts.

>Subhuman that's not how it goes. It's not only paying more taxes than everyone but also that the spanish goverments takes everything we make and return only 90% of it, meanwhile other regions get 1/3 more than their GDP in gibs.

Which is exactly why it is so retardedly hypocritical of Catalonia to want independence from Spain all the while supporting more rapefugees, giving random non-European invaders the "Catalonian" name based on nothing but fee-fees.

What happens now that independence won? Is nothing going to happen?

>That is what the ((("""European""" Union))) has been doing all along yet I've seen no criticism from that institution in any of your proxy samefag sliding shitposts.
You're a retarded schizo.
>Which is exactly why it is so retardedly hypocritical of Catalonia to want independence from Spain all the while supporting more rapefugees, giving random non-European invaders the "Catalonian" name based on nothing but fee-fees.
Again more retarded shit from a schizo.

Declaration of independence tomorrow.

Not an argument.

Catalonia is rightful Albanian clay.

You didn't make any argument either.

>refuse to comply with a police officer
beating up unarmed peacefull protestors using the police as franco did.
Don't know what your government is expecting with the way it is acting, stronger force has only united the catalans while just having them have their vote would have safed spanish unity, at least i.m.o.

False. I made various arguments.

is this true? Source?

it's what the catalan government has stated they will do as soon as they win the referendum

I've read that the people in charge of the independence movement decided to take in shitloads of aghans and morrocans during the housing boom (which later ended in the Euro crisis) for cheap labour. They were supposedly afraid of hispanics from America because they might have fucked up their scheme by voting the against their plans. And hence they now have one of the biggest hardcore muslim concentrations in all of Europe.

You only said that I'm samefagging with different proxies, which is a lie. And that we want more immigrants, which is a lie because it's the spanish goverment flooding us with immigrants because they're against out independence.
So yeah, you're a schizo full of shit.

Amerindians naturally distrust neoliberalism, that's why successful models are mixed, neoliberals in practice, and socialist in aesthetic.

>regional government passes illegal referendum law
>central govt says it wont happen, yet do nothing about it
>judge orders police to stop it
>regional police does not comply
>outnumbered and without support from their regional pals, the national police is unable to stop it by their own means
>not that it means shit, because the national police has already shut down the illegal census web service
>referendum now torpedoed, people voting multiple times etc
>almost total victory
>Some mongrel in the government orders the scarce loyal police forces to storm the polling stations so that rebel regional leaders cannot take pictures of themselves voting
>Some 90 out of 2000 sites are shut down
>Police gets surrounded, they feel endangered, they beat the shit out of the voters in their way
>Injured: 900 civilian, 400 policemen
>MUH OPPRESSION
>referendum still happens
>Central government gets totally defeated, European leaders concerned, huge coverage in jewish press

>the catalonia situation

If only it was stronger. In some towns the police was expelled by a rain of stones.

We are governed by niggers.

They said independence will be declared after 48 hours the referendum was done and tomorrow there is a general strike convoked in all Catalonia so I guess it's tomorrow when everything will happen.

>catalonia is left wing in majority
>spain had left government
>right winger catalonians want independence
>left wingers call them "retards" and "nationalists"
>spain now having right wing government
>left wingers now wants independence
>right wingers dont want it now anymore, they didnt go to vote.

thats basically it, its just people being unhappy over that their ideal government is not in power and use "our language and culture" as arguments when it suits then. There is also a 20% that dont even care about this at all. So in reality 60% of catalonians will always never want independance and it will switch wich side who wants it depending on what party is having the power in the government.

I have lived in barcelona, literally everyone there is just as spanish as madrid ones. They have 0 differences.

No, it's the opposite. The spanish goverment tries to flood Catalonia with immigrants to dilute the identity of Catalonia and because they don't support independence. Look at the pic here .

Oh boy oh boy! It'll soon be time to kill commies on the street!

0/10. You must be stupid to think a separatist movement is based on the left-right wing paradigm and not on nationalism. Catalans support independence regardless of ideology while castilians are against it also regadless of ideology.

this

>And that we want more immigrants, which is a lie because it's the spanish goverment flooding us with immigrants because they're against out independence.

False. It's the European Union allowing and deliberately incentivizing Europe to be flooded with rapefugees, going to the point of distributing them throughout the continent because they [the EU] are against the European peoples' most basic best interests, being in pursuance of a (((Globalist))) agenda.

Divide et impera.

tell me the latest time you actually spoke catalan.

fucking 90% of catalans dont even speak that language.

The solution is for Spain to get nukes and BIG DICK the countries to fuck off, morocco is a threat to Spanish security so they would be the first ones NUKED.

Free movement only works inside the EU and Spain still have control of its borders with countries outside the EU so every non-euro immigrant here has been brought by the spanish goverment.

>tell me the latest time you actually spoke catalan.
I always speak catalan, never castilian.
>fucking 90% of catalans dont even speak that language.
The most accurate thing to say would be that 100% of catalans speak catalan but only 10% of immigrants in Catalonia do.

Brussels and USA are threats so nuke them too, destroy all the atlantic cpast of the US to secure peace.

godspeed you glorious pan-head

Castillians are as catalan as Catalan speakers.

Catalan shills report 900 civilian injuried. Fact, only 4 go to hospital that day. 1 old woman who fell down the stairs, 1 old man who had a heart attack, 1 person who got a rubber ball in his eye, and 1 person who had a baton on his head.
The rest are larpers, like that woman who claims they broke all her fingers, when video proof shows the police only grabbed her other hand to take her camera.

There were not 400 cops injuried, 32 policemen were hospitalized because of the violent tantrums of those baboons who were preventing them from doing their jobs.

Comparing that with actual police violence, like the Mossos (the red shirts of the local government), is a fucking joke.

This is shilling to the extreme.

Spanish women are ugly as fuck.

>I always speak catalan, never castilian.

LOL yeah right

>The most accurate thing to say would be that 100% of catalans speak catalan but only 10% of immigrants in Catalonia do.

The only thing you hear walking around where catalan inhabitants are or being in restaurants is spanish. Catalan is socially inexistent except kids being forced to learn it in school.

WE

You're simply clueless about everything. Catalans speak in catalan all the time and if you hear spanish in big cities is because there a millions of spanish gibmigrants there.

I'm not shilling, in fact I would have sent more policemen and even troops if needed, which it was not. What could have been total victory just ended up in total defeat.

>not 400
just heard the 400 officers injured in the radio. This is the latest news.
They also got kicked out of the hotel because people went there to protest.

Separatist movements don't have to be far-right, though they generally are. Just off the top of my head Cascadia, California, Quebec, Catalonia, Kerala all fairly far left independence movements.

Both of you should read a bit more before making such oversimplification.

>Free movement only works inside the EU and Spain still have control of its borders with countries outside the EU so every non-euro immigrant here has been brought by the spanish goverment.

"""Immigration""" =| rapefugees necessarily. Straw men will only take you so far.

politico.eu/article/catalonia-independence-spain-immigration-the-new-catalans/

>Oriol Amorós, the Catalan government’s secretary for equality, migration and citizenship, says the ERC intends to grant immediate citizenship to all legal residents living in Catalonia when it becomes independent.

>Even if legal residents can’t vote in the referendum, “they will be immediately added to the new Catalan electoral body to express their opinion in the, for example, the referendum for a new Catalan constitution.”

>He also intends to provide visas for people searching for job opportunities, as well as group visas to help citizens and residents bring their families over — all within EU parameters — he added, since the region hopes to maintain its membership in the bloc after independence.

>Catalonia is a ‘nation of immigrants’ much like the United States, Amorós says. “Catalonia has been built thanks to many waves of migrations.”

>People come to Catalonia — and end up staying — “because it’s a country that doesn’t ask anyone to get rid of its own identity.” Instead, it encourages them “to be part of a diverse and shared society — that is, to become Catalan.”

^^^ This shit is a Catalonian """nationalism""", aka a Globalist a la the Scottish """nationalist""" kikes.

aka a Globalist *proxy

wtf are you saying you dumb manlet poor moor when I already showed you immigrants are already against independence, only native catalans want it.

Don't forget Basque """nationalism""":
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_nationalism#Basque_nationalist_organizations

"""Immigrants""" =| the rapefugees I was referring to. Lay off the straw men, kike.

There are barely no rapefugees in Spain or Catalonia and they wouldn't give a fuck about our independence either. All your moor ancestors gave you low iq so you can't see what's really going on.

This

They should disband the mossos.

Catalans have the most corrupted government in Spain, meaning they are most Spanish that most spaniards.

Also, genetically they have the most iberia-nish average genes in all peninsula. Literally a non-special area that needs to feel like a special snowflake - that's why they are so protective of their bastard Spanish/French language: "we are a nation because we speak differently".

Catalan cannot disprove pic related.

I am ok with this.

Did I blow your mind?

That was not the pic.

>300 years

Yes, but it is to appease xarnegos and their feminist females.

I don't get this pic

liveleak.com/view?i=8e4_1506913589
This is pretty epic

Funny how low IQ is suddenly magically a unit of measure when it's used to attack the shitlord opposition but not when it comes to protest the rapefugee invasion of Europe.

Dude your people are fleeing to all over Europe by the millions. What if before saying anything about refugees you do something to stop the millions of useless low iq swarthy portuniggers invading Europe?

Spaniards are as sandnigger as an european can get.
It's basically just a bunch of brown people wailing on each other with no rhyme or reason.
That's why soros, the EU and everyone else is so confused by this shit.

This is what a legit "happening" without someone pulling the strings looks like.
Just a bunch of confused brown people beating each other up and nobody can make sense of it.

viva franco arriba espana death to catacucks

This is how all castilian invaders should be treated.

I used to call he subway in munich, germany, es-bahn-ola because in the mid 2000s munich was full of unemployed spaniards and erasmus spaniards who came for the gibs and blonde pussy.
Before the refugee crisis you guys were the syrians and niggers that confused leftist women loved to flock around.
Now all the tapas bars are closing for african resstaurants.