I traveled to Europe for several weeks. For the first time

I traveled to Europe for several weeks. For the first time.
I had a conversation with many men.
I got the impression that European men are very timid, frightening. That they are completely devoid of any courage and power. It's an impression that I'm talking to a woman.
Perhaps the problem is not in refugees. Maybe the problem is in yourself?

Like anywhere there are different kinds of guys in europe. You're a moron

>maybe the problem is in yourself
Maybe you haven't experienced enough cultural enrichment

>Why won't people admit criminal activities in police states?

I traveled to women for several years. For the first time.
I had a conversation with many women.
I got the impression that European women are very indecisive, arrogant. That they are completely devoid of any responsibility and choice. It's an impression that I'm talking to a slave.
Perhaps the problem is not in men. Maybe the problem is in {{{yourself}}}?

Different types of guys? Maybe. Only all these types are similar to girls.

Maybe thay need cultural enrichment, because they forgot what it is like to be a man.

Courage does not mean crime

> women.
> completely devoid of any responsibility and choice
And what is wrong?
This is a male function.

European men are raised to value some kind of obscure sense of intellectual superiority that for some reason encompasses an anti-male, anti-aggression, anti-macho style of thought and behavior. European men are conditioned to be harmless and inoffensive and to hold their gender and the expression there of in contempt. The majority of European men would look at, say, a male fitness enthusiast and it would fill them with a sense of superiority. They would reflexively access deeply held prejudices and dismiss him as stupid, boring, sexist, ignorant, etc... European men don't have much of a culture of masculinity to draw from so they define themselves in opposition to it.

So you get weak men. Men who are proud of their weakness and see it as a strength. Men who hate men. Men who glorify women and femininity. Men who champion homosexuality and see the sexual immasculation of their gender in any form to represent virtue. Men with no convictions who can be molded at will to the current political zeitgeist through various societal pressures. Men who are utterly defenseless and proud of it.

>conversations
>many men

Confirmed faggot.

How is this possible? If they were intellectuals, they accurately read Homer, Virgil, Jack London, Voltaire Scott, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky
and other books from the school curriculum. At least.
Why does the state do nothing about this?

>implying third world refugees
can offer lessons on manliness
Sort yourself out, user

Britain is filled with loud cunts. I hate the government but I have done nothing to change it. Half the useless fucks from the empire on here have done fucking nothing except post about the big bad government.
mfw there are heavy drug users in scotland taking more of an active role in politics than half the fags from britain on here.

>accurately read
The concept of "reading accurately" has been completely destroyed in the west by what people on this board often call the "culture of critique" - postmodernism

>retards are confronted with nihilism for the first time in their lives

>state should encourage people to read shitty self-contradictory novels instead of making them read actual philosophy

>accurately reading
Reading is a personal, and therefore, a subjective experience. Not everyone will read the same thing and draw the same conclusions. I'm guessing you're rather green behind the ears.
t. oldfag

At university sometimes I have fights with caucasian muslims. They are courageous men.

I'm not talking about politics. I'm talking about ordinary life.

Define courageous

I know what a postmodern is. But this level of understanding is not for ordinary people. I'm talking about ordinary people who read only the school program. How is it possible to read Jack London and Beowulf at age 15, and in 25 years to behave like Anna Karenina.

> nihilism
> be helpless girl

>Maybe the problem is in yourself?

Of course it is.

Not having to rely on just yourself of protection but society as a whole is sign of civilization. Army, the police and other security apparatuses exist to protect us. Point of society is not seeking of autonomy on individual level, but integration into the greater whole that can protect your self-interests more effectively.

That's why european women love american dick.
and why all european men are so butthurt online.

So you travelled from Europe to Europe?

Pray tell, which country did you visit, as Europe is pretty big, you ginormous faggot.

>muh dick

You don`t sound white.

>It's another "i'm a burger who is an expert and know more about your countries than you do" episode

Not everyone is allowed to understand the actual philosophy

Details of experience so. In adulthood so. Serious literature - yes. School programs - no?
this one all understand the same.

>how?

This is how ^

Not necessarily the work of Friedrich Nietzsche or some well defined political/philosophical school of thought, but a devastating crisis of identity in 20th and 21st century Europe.

They have a society that has abandoned religion, tradition, culture, and turned their backs on moral absolutes and values, well defined societal roles and norms, and basic concepts that have been structural to human civilization for millennia.

They view things like chastity and family and national unity and valor as tools used to oppress and deceive the unenlightened and not as characteristics to respect or aspire to. They live in a void of apathy. Without convictions. No identity, no beliefs, no moral truth, no sense of community, nothing but a vague sense of superiority to those things and a bunch of electronic bullshit and pop culture to replace them. They don't believe in themselves anymore.

>flag
I wonder what gave it away.

t. Finnish kv autismo

t. Ahmed

They are very timid, so timid infact they let Russians annex their territory without a fight.

>They would reflexively access deeply held prejudices and dismiss him as stupid, boring, sexist, ignorant, etc...
Lifting is extremely popular here.

>5% chance of me being that
>50% chance of you being non white

Where?

>Perhaps the problem is not in refugees. Maybe the problem is in yourself?

Obviously. It's not white genocide, it's white suicide.

Oh, I thought it showed my flag. It's popular all over Europe though.

Self-confidence, responsibility, independence, determination, self-control, fearlessness, hardness of character, understanding of what he want.

This is because of post war Jewry

>Europeans value fraternity,liberty and equality too much

Europeans not being weak sheep that follow our culture or traditions to its pointless ends is somehow bad?

Women mature faster than men, put them into a school, and girls are more orderly and follow orders, and men are expected to behave like girls, it puts girls on an advantage over men till they enter workforce.
Men feel disenfranchised by the system, but they tend to mate down or across hierarchies, women having better jobs early think that this puts them in a higher level but men don't really give a shit about their jobs and care mostly about looks (and somewhat personality).
Women don't find men and are a bitchy clusterfuck on their 30s, pair that with 'toxic masculinity", and all the feminist bullshit about sexual liberation and you end up with feminized men and frustrated women that spend the time when they're most attractive to men pursuing a career that no one gives a shit about.
Literally a combination that makes no one really happy.
This is kinda an extreme, some guys still have manly traits and just play the game without caring much (those seem to be the only winners in this scenario).

It's hardly surprising when our governments flood us with millions of non-white immigrants and tell us we're "racists" for the slightest transgressions. And an education system which is specifically designed to neuter men at an early age and teach them masculinity is evil. This all of course stems from the Jewish stranglehold on the media which thwarts any opinions even slightly to the right of Chairman Mao.

Jews really are the apotheosis of western man. They don't even try to hide it anymore. They hate us with a passion and would rather capsize the whole ship than give up even the tiniest scintilla of power. We are fucked beyond repair.

What are you all about? I do not mean crime, battles in the backyard, and so on. I mean that as if a normal boy for half an hour could not decide to meet him with a girl next door or not. When the second dude behaves like a weird idiot laughing at his jokes and stumbling. When the third dude chooses a beer in the bar for ten minutes.

I mainboard /fit/ and chose fitness enthusiast as an example based on countless accounts of European anons lamenting their role as the sole powerlifter at their local gym. I have heard few European fitizins championing the lifting culture in their home country outside of Iceland and the occasional Brit. Your fellow countrymen are particularly vocal about the sad state of things. I've also spent some time in Germany myself.

I travel quite a bit to France, and it's CERTAINLY not the case there.
Good looking men, the vast majority are lanklets, the only ones that seem ripped are the negros.

Ukraine is not Europe. Am I wrong?
Germany, France, England, a little Spain and Italy.

>The majority of European men would look at, say, a male fitness enthusiast and it would fill them with a sense of superiority.

While the majority of American men would see a male fitness enthusiast and have him banned from all magazines and media for fat shaming.

The statistics don't lie. American men are both shorter and fatter than European men. Obesity, which is an epidemic in America, leads to low testosterone. Their low height, is a result of a fast food ridden diet, and the lack of height and growth is clearly a sign of low testosterone and deficiencies. American men are also the biggest producers and consumers of interracial cuck porn. In fact, they are almost the only produces and consumers of this type of porn. Pornhub statistics and google statistics shows that men from Europe and other countries in the world barely ever watch it. American men represent more than 95% of cuck porn consumption.

When I imagine an American man, I imagine a 5'8 puffy, soft, lardy fat man, with 25% nigger genetics, consuming his shitty fast food and watching his cuck porn. Raised by a single mom, with no father in the picture (because fathers and sons interacting is gay and pedophilic in American society)

You just sound autistic, unable to understand social interactions outside of your own narrative.

Pumping iron and building up excessive muscle tissue that is wasted on a service economy is not a defining trait of masculinity.
Stop manspreading your chad memes burger. My statistically higher IQ is offended by your ignorance.

Underrated Bong Bantz

What can men do against such reckless hate? When our own governments would sooner import, house, feed, and subsidise Somalian refugees than encourage their own population to have children? What can you do when the entire education and political system has been feminised to the point that they actively campaign against their own men by supporting mass immigration policies and miscegenation with foreigners. It's like living in a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.

Yes, Europe is being pussified

There is no reason for men to be like men and women to be like women. War is obviously a horrible thing, but during a war men act like men, and women act like women.

This is the 100% truth. If we solve the problems within our own group the immigrant question can be dealt with in a day

Attitude change, education about our own culture, and stop being cowards about everything. Then all the other problems can be solved in a week

This, in other terms, Euros are pussys.

You're absolutely right. Few days ago I watched some broadcast after Catalonian riots. They were interviewing young man, who was crying like a little baby when he was telling how mean policemen kicked his ass. I felt absolutely sick watching it, few decades ago same guy would have only cried for revenge.

I think this is taking it a bit far. This is partly true in the best educated class, and this is where the problem needs to be fixed first. A population majority in all these countries thinks this stuff is fucking retarded they just go along for an easy life. It's a vocal minority who've actually internalised (((modernity))) to the point where they become what you describe.

Also bear in mind euros (especially continental) tend to age slightly slower than some other groups. A lot of the 15-20 year olds will just stop looking like fags over the next decade

But in principle you are right. The struggle is within our group

I loved watching the police lay into them

That's because they have worked the fields ever since they were physically capable to do so.
Besides these guys look way better than your 'male fitness enthusiast' roiding up and looking like something out of a cartoon. No wonder they score with women who are attracted to muscles. Natural muscle development is just way better than dumbbells.

Most people disagree with all that though. Don't despair and think a majority actually support that stuff. Even the ones who do 90% it's because they think everyone else does

Bear in mind the Northern European build is tall and fairly slim. Slavs tend to be mid height and bulkier, meds short and slim

The US has a much large population than any European country and therefore is a much larger consumer of anything. Interracial porn is largely consumed by black men and they make up thirteen percent of our population. Obesity is a world health crisis and the US is no longer among the top ten most obese nations as the rest of the world has caught up considerably in recent years. Hispanic immigration contributes largely to height statistics and the non white population contributes largely to the obesity statistics.

In america we have a lot of problems, many of them we share with europe. What we do have is a culture of masculinity, competition, and aggression. Despised though it may often be.

I understand, but why does the state do nothing about this? This is dangerous for the state.

Strength and courage are different things.

>Interracial porn is largely consumed by black men
>he actually believes this

My cousin went to Germany for a semester last year, had a similar experience
he said all the German men sounded effeminate as fuck, said he though he could every one of them in a fight.
He also said there were a lot of Syrians

> (You)
>Self-confidence, responsibility, independence, determination, self-control, fearlessness, hardness of character, understanding of what he want.
Then why isn't anyone trying to migrate to Muslim countries?
inb4 muh imperialism

I do believe that.

This is excellent and should be copypasta but it also describes american male liberals.

You're telling me you don't get aroused watching a white Aryan princess Elsa lookalike get stretched by a muscular African sex God dripping with testosterone?

West euros are total spineless faggots, that's a known fact.

I'm talking about culture, in italy you have chubby guys, regular guys and well toned guys. In Spain the same going for the chubbier side.
In France it's fucking weird that the regular white guy was any kind of muscle, and while there are guys that just put on muscle, any guy can get some by just working out.

>when I imagine an American man
>imagine
retard detected

>I understand, but why does the state do nothing about this? This is dangerous for the state.

Because the state is controlled by Jews, you clutz. There's a reason hitler hated the Jews as much as he did, and it wasn't because they were "too successful" - lets just leave it at that

Russians (and by extension Ukrainians, Chechens, Georgians, etc because we dont know any better) are seen as quite masculine and especially respected by ameriniggers because they make good boxers and gangsters and chess players.

Unfortunately, you are correct

We are talking about courage in Europe.
Here come the guys and start talking about fittness, bodybuilders, muscles, bodies.
Maybe you will start discussing their clothes and hair gel ?
what are fack ?

The education system and Jewish holohoax propaganda has destroyed any remaining sense of national pride Germany had after WW2. Feelsbadman.jpg

Good times create weak men.

>what are fack?
I don't know. You've stumped me on that one.

This. It's like what's the point of being an intellectual idf you're a complete pussy with no backbone.


Ohhh ahhh wow you're someone with an ironic sense of detachment convuluted with nihilism and atheism. IM SO IMPPRESSED. NOW WATCH ME KICK YOUR ASS.

Everybody here knows one or two cases personally where somebody was fucked by higher ups for speaking up or being too aggressive. Not even for politics, but having a strong opinion on the wrong things and appearing pushy can easily kill your career. Same for school, being an "active" boy gets you into trouble all the time and in the last years the trend goes towards medication.
Masculinity is branded as a bad thing and many avoid showing it in public.

I have several German colleagues who behave like girls at work, avoiding any conflict and repeating like what the media tells them. But after I got to know them better I found out that below this public image, they are well aware that this shit is destroying them, that they still have the same old ideals about males. The whole generation of males between 20 and 30 is schizophrenic and as always it will be too late when they shake off their education.

As for the older generations, they basically fell for their own cultural propaganda and truly believe that it is better this way.

No, youre just a skinny, little pussy who is scared to break a sweat. Europeans are so lazy. Fat americans work harder than you.

European jealousy is so obvious.

Nothing wrong with building muscle and being strong.

You could add together the percentages of every European country, in fact you could add together the percentages of every country in the world, and America would still represent 90-95% of all cuck consumption. Its a strictly American phenomenon, produced by and for white American men.

And you culture is shit, there is nothing masculine about it. The American man is the kind of short man that runs around yelling loudly, constantly being freaked out and frustrated and in some form of rage. American men are hysterical, and in Europe, being hysterical is considered a womanly trait, a feminine trait that women usually have because they lack the ability to control their emotions, just like American men. In Europe, masculinity is being stoic and calm in any situation, and judged by your results, not by shallow non-verifiable measures like aggressiveness and other peacocking bullshit. In Northern Europe you are masculine when you win, and the more stoic you are in the process the more masculine you are.

>Perhaps the problem is not in refugees. Maybe the problem is in yourself?
Very asute of you. Of course it's our fault, we should have firebombed the first arrivals out of their free accomodation, just like the Northern Irish did to 400 muslim "refugees". They never tired to rehouse a single other one there again.

It's too easy to think "eh, well, I've moved out of London now, that shit is far away from me". For maybe three more generations, and then what? Complete caliphate control. "Ah, but I'll be dead then" etc etc

None of this had to happen. Globalists want their low-IQ stateless drones, and we woke up too late with too little resolve to do anything to stop them. New Labour secretly spent a decade shipping more and more third worlders into England, a deliberate policy.

So, yeah, it is us. We need to place our leaders under house arrest and hold their familes hostage until they pass laws outlawing further immigration and start enacting deportaions en masse. It wouldn't be difficult to do, we could fix this in under a month if we wanted it. But we don't want to fix it, we want it to go away.

>that string of spit in her mouth

Truly

Hohol speaks the truth.

Your hallucination of Americans sounds frightening

I don't know enough about cuck porn to be qualified to continue this argument, but do me a favor and at least give the manlets a break. They have it hard enough already.

>European jealousy is so obvious.
Nobody is jealous of Americans m8. Sure, it's normal to be jealous of successful people wherever they are, so I suppose you could claim we are jealous of rich Americans. I love the houses you live in places like Maine and New England, they are gorgeous.

But the average American? With your enslavement to cars and horrid strip shopping? Your shitty working hours and neverending taxation on everything, even home ownership to pay for local facilities? You can keep it, enjoy it.

Yeah, I spent time in Germany and that's basically the impression I got.

>sweden
>all of europe

>ukraine
>Pidorashka is a more decent place to live than you. Poland/Russia split when?

Americans are short because they allow spics (one of the shortest people) to enter their countries.

I traveled to Ukraine for several weeks. For the first time.
I had a conversation with many Ukrainian POWs.
I got the impression that Ukrainian men are very timid, frightening. That they are completely devoid of any courage and power. It's an impression that I'm talking to a woman.
Perhaps the problem is not in Russians. Maybe the problem is in yourself?

KEK
>Funded by the Clintons and CIA
>Country gets divided
>Putin BTFO of Crimea.

Yeah bro I wish we were 56% white in Europe too. But I'm jealous about brazil even more, lucky bastards.

If you are manly in Europe you can be detained and jailed for years just because you appeared to be a bit "pushy" in your conversation with a woman and thus it was a way of raping her. Of course, immigrants are exempt of this because "they just don't know it" or "it is their culture and we have to respect it".

People in Spain has been jailed because they farted in the general direction of their girlfriends.

I wish I was kidding.

I go to sambo twice a week. Like all normal people. And do not sweat every day in the gym to make a photo for the instagram.
And of course I'm not fat.

Statistically your girl is getting banged by a muslim right now.

>follow low-calorie diet
>weekly spend his free time hugging some random guys on tatami mats
>constantly bitching about masculinity and courage of random guys
you gay