What do leftists actually want?

Whenever I see them spout their ideas, they just seem to want the complete destruction of society and all that is beautiful or strong. Nothing seems to make them madder than attractive, well to do people enjoying a fine recreational activity.

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communism

That is correct. Modern leftism is effectively Luciferianism. Jews invented it, so this should come as no surprise.

that was fast and precise

Only when it's real communism. Not the many unsuccessful tries.

>the Devil
>invented by Jews who have no concept of the devil and an afterlife

Jews to rule the world

>What do leftists actually want?
any excuse to destroy the lives of happy people

A dick in their mouth

Total equality where no one suffers or gets their feelings hurt

Lol you could literally build a communist commune on a white nationalist basis and they would side with big capitalism to shut it down because there're no pipo uh kullah

They're given over to wickedness. God has abandoned them, and so they want to drag everyone and everything down to hell with them.

The far left is basically universalist and egalitarian. Their ultimate goal is for the people of the world to unite as one and for hard power itself to be abolished. To the extent that they support multiculturalism, they want groups they see as having power to recognize their privilege and compensate for it by welcoming and advocating behind the lesser privileged groups. They think that people inherently get along with each other, and the only reason they ever don't is because powerful interests have set them against one another through manipulation and exploitation. If we get rid of the systems that cause that process, namely capitalism, people will naturally come to share with each other and get along, sort of like the Indians did before the Europeans came over. They are also anti-traditional, supporting the abolition of stereotypes and expected roles in society. Their stance is that if it isn't doing anyone immediate harm, it is good and should be expressed. LGBTQAxyz, down with patriarchy, down with heteronormativity, up with pansexuality, or at least understanding of all sexual and lifestyle preferences. The world will be a place of peaceful tolerance, sharing, openness, and expression.

We can get technical about whether or not Lucifer is entirely properly referenced in the Old Testament, or get into Jewish Mysticism, but the more operative allegory is the story of the Archangel Lucifer. Don't forget that Jews reject God and seek to become God.

Leftists have no sense of aesthetics. Where you see beauty, they see privilege and oppression.

Modern Judaism is process theology + muh 6 gorillion.

It's Babylonian Talmudism.

They want to be able to stay a baby for life. Why do you think this diaper fetish is popping up?

You mean hunting? I work for NPS, I grew up in Vermont and participated in shooting competitions since I was 16. Love hunting and have dedicated my life towards allowing Americans to enjoy the National Parks for activities like hunting.

I want to see a government that respects the Public Lands of America and preserves them for future generations, other countries don't have shit for wild areas, and the current administration is doing irrevocable harm to these resources we could have forever for short-run profit for minerals companies. I think that making health care inexpensive and making it harder for higher education to be such a damn racketeering scheme would be good political goalposts. I also appreciate people that criticize the criminal justice system because it has produced a whole lot of fucked up outcomes for a lot of the wrong people and there's probably simple policy changes that could be made for them.

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>They think that people inherently get along with each other, and the only reason they ever don't is because powerful interests have set them against one another through manipulation and exploitation.
This is oxymoronic reasoning, too bad there are people that unironically believe this.

>people will naturally come to share with each other and get along, sort of like the Indians did before the Europeans came over.
LOL

I also support the punching, in the face of people that gather in the streets calling for genocide, something a lot of you LARPers seem to have a tendency not to do personally, but provide a launchpad online for.

You would have to start by ousting the global communist Jewish bankers. Without that, you're just adjusting the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Granted the deck chairs can use some adjustment, but none of what you seek will actually come to pass just by making the deck a bit better.

That's assault and battery faggot

I agree, just stating their case.

...which they will be in complete control over and rule over with an iron fist

They think they can make a utopia by making an ocean of blood.

Just read about Trotsky and you'll know what they want. I wouldn't be surprised if the LV shooter was a hardcore liberal. My co-worker's wife's family are super-liberals and I can easily see them executing republicans like the NKVD if they had the opportunity. I guess others wouldn't mind dropping them from helicopters either, however

They don't know. Nothing will satisfy them because they have no idea what would be their end goal. They just want to complain amd blame. If they met their end goal they would cease to have self value. They are an empty void that seeks to be filled. Many such cases!

You lost me at "hard power" (that's actually where I stopped reading

I think it's retarded that people support a system where economic growth is the primary metric of a nation's success, when natural resources have never been more threatened by human activity. We're in the midst of a mass extinction and moves in public policy need to have been made yesterday or else climate change is going to cause such a global catastrophe that you actually will need the weapons your neighbors have stockpiled up to secure medicine, water and fuel to live a decimated version of the lifestyle we enjoy in America today.

>>Climate deniers in the White House
>being in support of this because of winks and nods that a few key players hate hispanics, blacks and muslims

Denying Climate Change is a part of an economic war against everybody without seven digits in their paystub.

Want to help protect the environment, Help the working class, not the corporate world, get out of perpetual war, educate our people’s and provide the means for them to live longer lives. Try to stop crazy white people from mass murdering people over and over again.

They don't know. They want to be ruled because they are scared. Red pill them into thinking for themselves.

To add to this, the fucking internet is out there. Anyone can find out things on their own through google or w/e.

They want your guns.

They simple don't feel safe listening to Sting around you.

>they're the bad guys for denying climate change
>we deny human biodiversity

To die. They hate themselves and want to bring everyone down to their level.

They want Star Trek.
The final outcome of their policies, however, will be Africa.

>We're in the midst of a mass extinction
So?

>climate change is going to cause such a global catastrophe
It'll be eugenic. Let it happen. If it even will.

A call for genocide is an incitement for violence. And I've lived in six States in America, fighting is a part of our culture. If you want to make noise in streets where you're not from, I don't believe that it's the police's job to protect you from the consequences of your peers actions. It's their job for sure to take your bitch ass statement after and press charges, but typically that's not what men do after a fight.

>>Believing in a worldwide Jewish conspiracy that undermines all of your political objectives
>Supporting the election of people that haven't read about climate change, mountaintop removal, and thinks "stop and frisk" works.

They'll deny it but yeah this is their end goal.

If global warming turns out to be real (I give it maybe 50-50 chance of being real), humans will probably all but die out

>Rothchilds don't conspire
HOKAY
>global government isn't the plan
HOKAY
>they aren't using the power of the private central banks to fund transhumanism to destroy life as we know it and transcend in a process they believe to be "evolution"
HOKAY

The problem with you people is that you're simply willfully ignorant. It's unfortunate because your good intentions could be put to productive use instead of paving the road to Hell.

That's the point. They're all ideological to the point of religious zeal.

There's distinct human cultures and race is absolutely a key component to one's identity and lens by which they view the world. Doesn't mean that it's cool to try and rank on people and support public policy that when in place fucks with minorities but long-run fucks with all poor people.

There is also a direct correlation between the amount of atmospheric CO2 and human activity including agriculture, mining, and the combustion of greenhouse gasses.

I assume you are from Vermont?

So basically you want your whitopia to be filled with niggers and every fucking tuberculosis-ridden refugee from the 4 corners of the earth right?

Leftists want a high standard of living for everyone, not just the rich.

Most leftists also want us to be safe from the threat of getting shot.

Naive. If we find out we control the climate like the media tells us we do, we'll simply control the climate if our backs are against a wall. That's ignoring countless alternative measures.

Unless we wrongthink.

Most of them are basically servants of satan, they view themselves as gods. Like the devil they have his mind set. He is insane and so are they. They want to put themselves up on gods throne so everything they do is a perversion of gods work and they must oppose Christianity and and judeo christian ethics and morals.
Abortion, pedophilia, gays, welfare, sexual sin/porn, all of this to insult god and drive his followers out of the country. They want power above all, they want slaves. Reducing the population which is the goal makes control easier. A liberal future is basically a boot on your neck or face with a slave collar on. They either want you dead or a slave.

We're in a mass extinction. If you wanna actually put public policy in place for anti-trust laws and fuck up the establishment I'm not against that. You're never going to achieve this by generically blaming Jews.

In the meantime we're in a mass extinction and the biodiversity of the planet is in immediate jeopardy. Losing enough biodiversity (among other losses in stability brought by climate change) undermines the ecological foundation of all agriculture, and in the United States, as the breadbasket of the world, we're as fucked as non-westerners in 80 years or less.

They just want to use leftism as a surrogate activity to fulfill the power process, and as an outlet caused by their frustration caused by living in industrial society.

But the minorities are hurting us. And if you're willing to blatantly lie to me about that why should I believe your views on climate change?

You don't realize that you're an indoctrinated pseudointellectual.

Making assumptions because you can't handle discussing the topic at hand. This is typical of somebody that I don't wanna fucking talk to. Boring thread guys, thanks for ruining it.

I'm with you on the anti-trust law part. I'm very, very with you on that.

As for your understanding of the ecological threat, it's myopic and public policy isn't going to do jack shit.

>conspiracy
Really bro? You're going to deny all of the evidence? Global jewish influence is more powerful than anything else on the planet. Jews run the media. Get over yourself.

>muh conspiracy, no it can't be true!

>What do leftists actually want?

The abolition of all private property. It's literally spelled out in the fucking manifesto.

ITYF it's Mormons who seek to become God.

>discussion
>pol

As a freemasonic sect, they derive from the same ancient mystery Luciferian stuff as modern Babylonian Judaism

Oh nooo food gets harder to produce, worst case scenario.

Sounds eugenic. Good.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to want all private property abolished.
99% of leftists reject the fucking manifesto.

Yep.

>You right wingers are evil!
>can't handle the bantz

They want to be the good guys.

At least they do if we're talking your everyday normalfag leftists. Talking heads tell them that only bad people are against X or use Y words, and you wouldn't want to be that kind of person would you? So they often times (if they're even mildly politically active) base their entire belief systems around NOT being those things. They very rarely have any real convictions of their own; no run of the mill democrat or whatever has an ideal view of how things ought to be, but instead how they ought NOT to be. If you take out the buzzwords and change some words around then suddenly they'll gladly start professing the same views as "Da ebil nahzees" without even realizing it. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Looks like black people don't bitch to the cops and try and get people thrown in jail as much.

Climate change is going to rock your shit as well as mine.

It's especially unfortunate that the National Parks are being undermined and eroded away by the current administration. For a bunch of people that seem to care about gun ownership, you're really doing jack shit to stand up to people that want to restrict hunting.

>abolish all of YOUR property
>I get a jet and you eat dirt

Yeah sure thing cornucopian. I'm sure your ECON 201 professor has it all figured out

No, it's the right who are intolerant of those who wrongthink.

Not an argument.

communism. that is all. whether they know it or not that is what they are progressing to. totalitarian rule by a communist state at any cost.

The National Parks are UN infiltration and have no real justification for existing as federal entities. Note that I love our National Parks, and they are both a domestic treasure and a good economic play vis a vis tourism.

>Looks like black people don't bitch to the cops and try and get people thrown in jail

So you don't respect laws but you want to make them?

>Looks like black people don't bitch to the cops and try and get people thrown in jail as much
Is this really how you're going to interpret the data? You've clearly never lived around niggers. Not even black people like niggers, user.

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Sorry user, but you're just another holier-than-thou leftist that can't handle the reality of things.

Whenever I post on this forum and people disagree they call me, "nigger," "faggot," "X," "Y," or "cuck." You're making a brutally hypocritical case for the difference between the political left and right. Running with the herd is a punk ass bitch thing, not a left or right thing. Both sides have too many.

I've talked with some leftists, and they unironically believe humankind should go extinct, which is why the more butthurt and oppressed they are, the better for your society.

Kek will destroy the eternal Jew and bring us into a golden age of pure Jew-free living.

I'm not debating with you because you're already identified as clueless

Yet you cannot explain how? Magical.

The same argument could be made for a lot of the right, it's true. Collectivism is very rarely a good thing.

You're just straight up ignoring my arguments. Why do you want dysgenic policy? I'm thinking way more long-term than you are.

>eighty years
baby shit.

>they believe humanity should go extinct
They should start with killing themselves, then.

They should be shot in their fat inbred faces without warning.

I think that people bitching about getting into fights is pathetic in almost every circumstance. Learn to deal with your enemies, if you can't protect yourself you're not really a man. Just a keyboard bitch. I'm not advocating a public policy change in restricting the ability of people to press charges for violence, but black people culturally don't talk to police.

>tfw when too intelligent for debate

Where civilization is probably going, the living will probably envy the dead. *some* humans will probably survive, though, since humans colonized every area on earth

>in his mind he explains this with "blacks don't talk to police"

Can you quantify anything that you're saying or are you just making up bullshit to keep your biased thinking intact?

They are confused and brainwashed. Most of them are very well-intentioned and believe that their positions are moral and righteous. They are nearly impossible to redpill. They are literally programmed to reject the truth. They have no sense of logic, only emotions. I actually feel bad for them, desu.

>If we get rid of the systems that cause that process, namely capitalism, people will naturally come to share with each other and get along, sort of like the Indians did before the Europeans came over.

How one can post this without an iota an irony is fucking baffling. Native Americans were living in harmony with each other until Europeans arrived?

TOP FUCKING KEK.

Tribalism is a more powerful driver of human interactions and culture than any political or economic system. Also, the fact that you think there would be world peace if we dropped capitalism and power hierarchies is fucking laughable.

This. They don't know it but everything they do points to it. I wish they could all spend 1 month living in communism and not the lucky 1% that runs stuff. I want them starving and breaking their backs in gulags. I want them starving and looking at their kids as a source of food but being reminded not to eat them from propaganda posters. I want them starving and sleepless from hearing their neighbors being taken away at night. I want them starving and trying to defend themselves from baseless accusations from faceless accusers. My grandparents went through this shit and seeing these assholes stump for an ideology they dont know the horrors of; I want them to starve.

Satianism is just hedonism dressed up in a metaphysical outfit. No real belief in god or the devil is necessary.

You replied to the wrong comment buck-o but I'm making a case that the current figures in politics that are advocated for here are the same ones that are selling out Americans of future generations.

100% sustainable transportation systems and GMO C4 Rice need to be developed. Figuring out these things buys us decades to figure out our shit. Suppressing the scientific investigation of mountaintop removal so that we can develop "clean coal" stocks in America in 2017 is an offensively bad idea.

>sustainable transportation
Transportation will be sustained as long as humans continue to exist. It's striking to me that somebody with enough of a scientific background to mention C4 rice would be using meaningless, anti-scientific buzzwords.

It's going to be the only way that these retards will learn. Anyone who calls themselves "hard left" has absolutely zero historical understanding.

You're not proposing any policy change that would improve things for black people, or interracial relations. You're talking about getting rid of black people or something, in America in 2017? If you are this is not an argument worthy of expending any energy at all because there's way easier ways to improve people's lives than starting a stupid fucking race war against the people that built the country.

The climate is always changing. The assumption that mankind has an impact is fallacy. Look up how much a volcanic eruption impacts the weather. It's just an excuse to charge people for unnecessary things. By the way, fuck off and choke on your lover's dick.

kys

A policy of pogroming the Jews and other Satanists so that they don't invent and perpetuate nigger culture and the drug trade and hardcore violent Trotskyite racism would do wonders for improving race relations.

What's not helpful is for brainwashed rich old white people (mainly Jews) to start putting up signs in their yards in my neighborhood saying that all are welcome when all were welcome to begin with and it's mainly only old rich white Jews around here anyway. How retarded is that? Why are they stirring up racism where race relations are already very good?

No I'm responding to you, in case you haven't noticed friend we have IDs here and you've been conveniently ignoring me.

You talk about "selling out" future generations but propose dysgenic policy in the same post. Why should we produce food capable of feeding the entire world? You talk about climate change, and want to improve the nutritional value of rice to sustain our bloated population? There is a contradiction here. Are there too many people or are there not too many people for the earth to sustain? Why do you want to prevent people from starving when according to you people are causing destructive climate change?

Dysgenic as fuck. You want a better future for mankind? Let the weak majority die.

It's kind of like how when people say "there isn't enough food for the amount of people on the planet"

How are they there?

>you're talking about getting rid of black people

Nice strawman

Allow me to be more specific. Reliance on the resources we use to get around now isn't going to last. It's likely that kids born this year will never drive a car that's powered on internal combustion of petroleum. Intra-city mass transit must become carbon neutral in a huge portion of the world, especially super-cities. Long distance transit, which will transport food stocks and other resources across the world must also show marked improvement. Freighter trucks and ships have had really fucking slow development in this area. The notion that we can continue to use coal for electricity for very much longer without facing consequences worse than going without power is laughable.

So far, Malthus has yet to be right. But I agree with you: for instance, I don't think we're doing the Africans any favors by sending them all this food and money if they'd rather live in the technological past anyway then be ruled and shot by resource-stealing warlords and a locust swarm of Chinamen.