Protestants waged war in europe for the separation of Church and State

Protestants waged war in europe for the separation of Church and State.
That created a vacuum of power.
Jews and freemasons took advantage of that situation. Destructive Democratic ideas were spread, the American Revolution happened, French Revolution happened and just about 100 years later communism was at about to explode in protestant countries.

The protestant revolution was a left-wing revolution similar to the French Revolution; attacking tradition and values, destroying morals and replacing with moral relativism and materialism

Most protestants worship money and think usury is a right because the protestant reformation was financed and helped by synagogues in europe.

The protestant wars weakened europe and the turks took advantage of the situation. Instead of protecting their people, the Protestants went to help the Ottoman invaders.

Luther agreed with a Islamic rule thinking it was better to be ruled by Turks than by Catholics.
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TL;DR: It's impossible to understand how the west was destroyed if we don't go back to the protestant revolution to see how it created the perfect place for liberalism, democracy and then communism.

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Didn't you already get told earlier?

I agree, also refugees are welcome

Another ''contribution'' of protestants: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Séance

Since there are no orders, no morals and everyone is saved, protestants see no problem with degeneracy like this.
In fact this movement was popular among rich Protestant families and the elite(queens, kings, etc) in the 18th century

Communing with the dead is a pretty old tradition, dude. You're giving too much credit to "the Protestants", when the ancient Celts, Romans, Egyptians, and Chinese did similar stuff.

Being a petit bourgeois fetish is directly related to protestantism
This contributed to the relaxed moral standards of the middle class in the past 2 centuries

M8, shit like that was crazy popular with the French and Italian aristos before it was anywhere else. Remember that it was Catholics who turned tarot from a card game into divining.

And no, it didn't contribute shit. Stop assuming correlation means causation.

Truth be told, the Eastern Orthodox world always opposed the extent of the Catholic Pope's meddling in temporal affairs. Fir centuries the Pope was the monarch not just of the western Church but most of Italy excluding the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. This was an incredibly corrupting force on Roman Catholicism. It created nothing but trouble for Christianity.

Do you have any idea what your talking about? John Calvin and Martin Luther hardly advocated any of what you mentioned, the first communist revolution was in France (Paris Commune), the first succesful one was in Russia (USSR). The prods were stupid, but dont make shit up

also it's interesting to note the enjoyment of the elite and the middle class while in these meetings.
It's the today equivalent of watching Oprah Winfrey or Ellen DeGeneres.

Regarding your observation of these ''spirit'' clubs, it started in France mostly. While France didn't invent freemasonry the french masonic lodges are considered by every historian (be him/her a liberal, conservative or jew) to be the most leftist and revolutionaries lodges in the world.
That's why the modern pornographic, spirit reader and all that crap was born in france.
France experienced the most virulent anti-Catholic movement in europe, it was worse than in Germany.
But there is the Eastern Catholics who preserved the old rites while rejecting the schism of the Russian patriarch. In Armenia, Romania and Ukraine you'll find traditions of the Catholic Church that are directly from the 1th century. They are all Catholic, they are just part of the Eastern rites.

>the french masonic lodges are considered by every historian (be him/her a liberal, conservative or jew) to be the most leftist and revolutionaries lodges in the world.
Yea, the fake ones under GOdF and their ilk.
>That's why the modern pornographic, spirit reader and all that crap was born in france.
Really? That's why? That alone?
>France experienced the most virulent anti-Catholic movement in europe
Yea, the real reason is because of the oppression the church imposed there. It was considered Catholic heartland, so the grip was tightest. This ALWAYS makes people want to rebel more. Like a child with strict parents.

You are not familiar with the freemasonry subject. In the last thread you spent your entire time (and wasted my time) larping as a freemason.
Just stop it.

>You are not familiar with the freemasonry subject.
Both hilarious and ironic.
>wasted my time
The time of a fool has no value.

You catholicucks ruined America with your stupid cultural Christianity BS. The KKK should have kept you pathetic imbeciles off of our land. Once we started accepting eurocucks, they started to become sympathetic to kikes, and they took away the power from the WASP's

yeah and ya got the turban for it. great judgement call. my god, why do greek talk pretty and let western europeans fight for them.

Maybe Christians are just weak pieces of shit who gobble up superstition uncritically

Of course you were going to lose

I'd be more open to SSPX if not for their hatred of Virgin Mary

Virgin worship is a core tenet of catholic faith

Eric John Phelps was wrong

Jesuits are the good guys. Death to protestantism and the hippie garbage that followed.

Also, just to clear things up for someone who might believe in your lies, the french people enjoyed the best from what Catholic Church could provide.
What is today the territory of France had the most hospitals and universities than any other place in the world.
Stop larping as a freemason or simply go away

Reminder: All catholics burn in hell.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

"saved through faith" well it looks like it's faith not faith plus works. "gift of God" you don't work for gifts you just accept them otherwise it isn't a gift. "not of works" well that's pretty clear you don't need to do works. "lest anyman should boast" just like the guys in
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.(Father's will is believe on Jesus(John 6:35-40))
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It looks like those people were boastimg and relying on their works "done many wonderful works" AND they had faith "in thy name". But Jesus still told them to fuck off.
Looks like relying on your works like orthodox and catholics do has you NOT enter Heaven

Jesus said they work iniquity because thy rely on their works. Let's see what happens to people that work iniquity.
Matthew 13
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

>Implying Jesuits aren't the cancer of the Church and totally obsessed with Liberation Theology.

>the french people enjoyed the best from what Catholic Church could provide.
Indeed. But at what cost?
>Stop larping as a freemason
Not larping, m8. Pic related.
Sadly I was never given a PM patent, otherwise i'd post that too.

> It was considered Catholic heartland, so the grip was tightest.
>France
>Never had its own Inquisition
>Notoriously used the Papacy as it's own puppet during Western Schism
>Promoted Gallicanism and Jansenism

What are you talking about?

>Notoriously used the Papacy as it's own puppet during Western Schism
Yea, but the HRE did that too. I was talking post Reformation.

Then you are spreading your poison, as pretending to be a Christian which you are not. At least admit you are not even remotely Christian, you simply use the Bible to fit your ''great architect'' demonic god

>The protestant revolution was a left-wing revolution similar to the French Revolution
ya I realized that a few years ago as well

the protestant revolution was exactly this: the beginning of the end of christianity

and the end of christianity marks the end of the old world which consisted of aristocratic rule, religion and a traditional way of life

>pretending to be a Christian
Nope. Sorry i don't have a patent for that. Not sure where my baptism or confirmation records are.
>At least admit you are not even remotely Christian
Ironic, since you claim to be God, to be able to see into men's hearts like that.
>you simply use the Bible to fit your ''great architect'' demonic god
Nope. Just Christ. Why would you call Him a daemon unless you were a heretic?

your baptism means nothing because you are a freemason. Last thread I gave you 20 bulls confirming you are anathema.
I don't care if you are egalitarian, ''cultural christian'' or whatever, you and me know you are not part of Christ because you are a reprobate.

>your baptism means nothing
Heresy.
> Last thread I gave you 20 bulls confirming you are anathema.
Not Catholic, m8. And those Bulls are just opinions of men.
And you yourself spurn the Vatican and hate Catholicism, so why would you care?
>I don't care if you are egalitarian, ''cultural christian''
No, just traditional Lutheran. Maybe Martinist or Calvinist on occasion.

The Turban didn't force the Orthodox to change their Nicene Creed or modernise their liturgy.

>those Bulls are just opinions of men.
They are decrees directed to freemasons (such as yourself). They say with clear words freemasons are not Christians and not party of the Body of Christ.
As you confirmed you are a traditional Lutheran, it confirms you are not a Christian. The Bulls (and decrees) are excommunicating Catholics who belong in Freemasonic sect. Since you are a Lutheran the Bulls don't excommunicate you because you are not even part of the Christian Church (Catholic Church)

>They are decrees directed to freemasons
No, they're directed to Catholics to try and bully the faithful into doing what the Vatican tells them they should.
>They say with clear words freemasons are not Christians and not party of the Body of Christ.
Yea, they try and say that, but they fail because they have no such authority to do so.
>As you confirmed you are a traditional Lutheran, it confirms you are not a Christian.
Ah right, i forgot Lutheranism was actually a sect of the Hindu faith. Thank you for your insight.
> the Christian Church (Catholic Church)
Notice how you had to separate the two to make your funny joke? Because you know that the Roman Catholic Church is just A church among many. Orthodox is unarguably better, of course, but even they acknowledge that they are not alone in Christ.

You are the living proof of rotten fruit of the protestant revolution
The protestant revolution taught that any low live (such as yourself) who believes in gay marriage, equality and other heresies can be a Christian.
That's the poison of the protestant revolution: the liberal idea anybody can be a Christian and anybody can use the Bible according to his own wish.
Protestantism is not part of Christianity. It's a sect created primary by Luther but not limited to him. The sects created by many including Cranmer, Calvin, etc are not party of Christianity

Once you remove god over kings, as the protestant reformation did, then it logically followed that you delegitimize the entire social order which allowed the Jews to wreak havoc on Western Civilization. When a king is not responsible to holy power, why should noble men be responsible to a monarch? And if noble men are not responsible to their sovereign, why should men of low birth but great fortune obey nobility? And if the wealthy may do as they please, taking no cues from nobility, why shouldn't the poor cease to listen to the wealthy regarding the operation of the state and the morals and values of the society. And if the poor masses can do as they please, they will surely be manipulated by clever outsider who know through centuries of experience how to manipulate the lusts and petty greed of the masses.

Protestantism was the rationale for top to bottom selfishness that delivered the West into the jew's hands.

This fatass's pic related. Within 100 years of his rejection of holy authority, the monarchy was overthrown. Within 125 of that, the American Revolution took place. Within 140 years of that women got the right to vote. Within 100 years of that, we have reached Caligula-levels of societal degenerancy.

THIS.
DEUS VULT!!!!

>The protestant revolution taught that any low live (such as yourself) who believes in gay marriage, equality and other heresies can be a Christian.
I don't believe in those things, but yea, they can be. They'd be shitty and harmful, but they'd still be Christian, because it's a belief.
>the liberal idea anybody can be a Christian and anybody can use the Bible according to his own wish.
Only the ignorant and the knowingly wrong fear others having knowledge.
Which are you?
>Protestantism is not part of Christianity
Yea, it's actually the Aztec faith, right? I mean, there's no mention of Christ and the Bible in any Protestant sect, wouldn't you say?

Pretty sure Martin Luther was more Red Pilled on the Jewish question then you are buddy.

Protestentism for life. To hell with the pope! God bless America

>we have reached Caligula-levels of societal degenerancy.
Which is interesting you saying because I was reading again about the modern democracies.. the short-lived Weimar Republic was the pinnacle of materialism, democracy and liberty. In short, it was the pinnacle of protestantism and freemasonry.
There were periods of rotten society in Catholic Europe but nothing compares to anything closer to what happened during the french revolution (like child sex on the streets, pregnant prostitutes, etc) and in the weimar republic.
In the middle ages people were shocked when a father murdered his son or they discovered a woman was divorced but re-married. Fast-forward 300 years you have Luther defending divorce and 100 years later europe became an open brothel.
>Yea, it's actually the Aztec faith, right?
The roots of protestantism is not Christianity. They removed Christianity, translated the Bible and created the ''5 pillars' which include Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide. All those things are heresies and anti-Christian. Protestants think because they read the Bible they are Christians... interestingly the idea that a person can read the scriptures without obeying the Church was rejected in in the 4th century. The Council approved by all Bishops from west and east (in a ecumenical council) which is valid forever.

Protestantism allows everyone to use their "conscience" formed through their own limited, often selfish understanding of scripture and call themselves Christian.

That isn't a religion. It is an invitation to be manipulated into a culture that glorifies the individual over all--and such a culture dooms a healthy society.

The outsider who needs social disorder to rule through manipulation of finance, mass media and educational institutions welcomes such a culture.

Jews never prospered under one single, holy Catholic apostolic church.

>The roots of protestantism is not Christianity.
Catholicism isn't Christianity?
>They removed Christianity
You know how stupid you sound, right? This is all hipster ironic?
> translated the Bible
Good thing.
>and created the ''5 pillars'
Okay thing.
>which include Sola Scriptura
Mostly good thing. Humans are fallible.
>and Sola Fide
Bad thing.
>All those things are heresies
So? Catholicism was a heresy until it won out by luck. Some heresies have been better than the original. Like Pelagianism.
>and anti-Christian
Heresy is almost never anti-Christian. Just anti-Vatican. Think about why that might be the case.
>Protestants think because they read the Bible they are Christians
I think it's more that because they're Christian they read the Bible.
>interestingly the idea that a person can read the scriptures without obeying the Church was rejected in in the 4th century.
Yea. By the church. Funny that. Christ never said it.
>Protestantism allows everyone to use their "conscience" formed through their own limited, often selfish understanding of scripture and call themselves Christian.
Catholicism does the same, but limits it to a different group of people to decide for you. People often bought.
>That isn't a religion. It is an invitation to be manipulated
Literally ye of little faith.
>Jews never prospered under one single, holy Catholic apostolic church.
They never prospered under Christianity at all. Just the absence of it. And they love when people like you divide, so they can conquer.

God didn't inspire a rich tradition of moral teaching that we need to be faithful to or be destroyed for himself. He did it for us.

Our desire to be "free" has simply left us "free" to be enslaved by the jew. We have delivered ourselves into his hands.

That he now manipulates us into our own genocide should be no surprise.

Protestantism, by it's very nature divided christianity in the west. And into that breech the jew has prospered, financing selfish kings with usury that made them his pawns.

We do not call for division. We call you home. To obey authority of the church and bind your people to it. And in doing so free yourselves from the manipulations of the jew who wishes to exterminate and rule over the simple-minded brown successors to your lands.

Again, you are fabricating and talking about Christianity like you have studied. You haven't. In fact you don't even know the Orthodox Church which you called ''better'' also sees you as a heretic and a pagan.
If you think you can be a freemason and a Christian, you are wrong, but what can we do? If you want to worship your diabolical great architect, then you are just the result of 500 years of liberalism. You are the living proof that Protestantism = rotten fruit by the Devil.

>fighting over a thing totally corrupted that is actively contributing to white genocide

You christcucks are the funniest, also the greatest shitskin-lovers that I've ever seen, worst than leftists themselves.

And with all that said I dont give a fuck. I enjoy the self centered, indivualistic, capitalist liberal democracys protestentism spawned. I couldnt be more satisfied DESU.

Its exactly the society that I want to live in with or without jews.

Id rather live under a system where i am free to believe or disbelieve jewish shadow government propaganda. Rather then some authoritarian catholic monarchy where if I dont take orders from the pope its off to the dungeon with me.

Fuck that. Protestentism for ever. America made the right desicion.

The "wrath of god" is little more than man seeking selfish pleasure against the sensible moral order.

Come home to the one holy Catholic Church. Obey the established teaching of it.

Only then can you possibly hope to defeat the jew who seeks your extinction.

Bow down and become strong again.

Reject protestantism in all its myriad deceptions.

Bow down to Jesus and Repent.

Find it horribly devious that some Catholics on Sup Forums seem so intent to cause divisions amongst Christians in an age whre secularism has all but smuffed out the light of Christianity.

But apparently, I, as a protestant, who believes in the trinity and that Christ is the son of God sent to redeem humanity, is the issue.

Fuck off, in reality you're recreating the schism that you wanted to avoid. Protestants aren't the issue, secularism, hedonism, and kikes running amok is. God would not have awarded Protestant America with Trump, if he took umbrage with us, or the pilgrims for the matter, who wandered the sea like the Israelite in the desert, in their toil, to find a land of milk and honey. It was protestant america that put Trump in.

I see all these wonderful things that God has given to protestants and I see no proof that he has disdain for us, and Catholics despite all their lamentations on "works" don't even have the "protestant work ethic" stereotype.

I like uncucked Catholicism and believe that a stronger Catholicism will be better for Christianity, but unless these are shills larping as Catholics, the Catholic assault on Protestantism has no place in this age. God has given so much to protestants, I see no proof that he's against us, and the same thing goes for Catholics.

The cord that separates us in reality is razor thin, and if you want to argue on the fluff of Christianity, find another age to do so.... Very soon there won't be any Protestants to argue against, nor will there be Catholics.

>Protestantism, by it's very nature divided christianity in the west.
Sadly true.
>And into that breech the jew has prospered
Again, only in the absence.
> financing selfish kings with usury that made them his pawns.
Like Catholic monarchs usually did?
>We do not call for division.
You're pretending that Protestants aren't Christian because someone else told you to think that and not to question them. That's pretty divisive.
>And in doing so free yourselves from the manipulations of the jew
I like Francis, but I wouldn't trust the office of Pope to not get corrupted again. Or again. Or again.

>you are fabricating and talking about Christianity like you have studied.
Clearly more than you.
> In fact you don't even know the Orthodox Church which you called ''better'' also sees you as a heretic and a pagan.
Yea. They have their own silliness. But gotta admire their traditions.
>If you think you can be a freemason and a Christian, you are wrong
I guess because you have no faith in Christ, you don't see how others can?
>If you want to worship your diabolical great architect
Yea, see, calling Christ "diabolical" is pretty sad.

>Come home to the one holy Catholic Church.
The Augustinian tyranny? Nah. But i respect those who chose it, as long as they actually think for themselves. Seriously, try it some time.

except the 1st world lifestyle isnt going to last which makes it total shit

>"FUCK DAT!"

Yes, spoken in the words of the culture that you allowed to spawn. And the one that will lead to your kind's extinction.

You speak like a fat person who wants us to have "body acceptance" and call them appealing. When we know their lifestyle is selfish and suicidal.

You sound like a fat black woman on "The Maury Show" telling us 307 lbs is what she is, what she gonna be and you betta like it. "FUCK DAT!"

Good luck with that "Desu" --another degenerate term...

The history of Jan Hus. The very first protestant, 100 years before Martin Luther.
He became obsessed with another writer, started to spread a lot of heresies just repeating what this other guy wrote (Wycliffe) and because of him many good german people died.
That's how things works. Mankind do stupid things and then they start to believe in their own heads and kill each other.

Protestant Wars killed millions of whites because Luther wanted to divorce and to destroy the Papacy.

An idiot like Luther or Hus start to worship some kind of heresy, convince the poor uneducated people he is right and then he convinces them that they have to kill other people.

The jews would never start World War 2 if Luther stopped using the german people as his personal army to destroy the papacy.

If you don't fix problems inside society things like that always happens.

If the popes weren't so satanic and corrupt power-hungry money suckers (remember indulgences), people would've stayed in the catholic church.

Pope was deemed as an annoying cunt before reformation, that's why HRE and France put up their own anti-popes.

Bow down to 'Cool Jesus."

Oy vey, sounds good "Christian."

Did Cool Jesus mention something about St. Peter being the "ROCK ON WHICH I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH'???

Try bowing down to something more than what Hippie Jesus maybe would dig now if he was a wood worker in Northern Cali, dude...

>convince the poor uneducated people he is right

That is dishonest projecting and lying! Because of Luther, people were given masses in their OWN VERNACULAR LANGUAGES INSTEAD OF LATIN THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND!

They wanted to destroy the ''Corrupt'' Catholic Church by creating a more corrupt and destructive movement.
That's history: to fight the Catholic Church, Luther and his allies created the most devastating war in europe up until World War I.

Not only millions of lives were lost but Bolshevism, World War 1 and World War 2 happened because of that.

He is right.

You are dividing the body of Christ by claiming other christians go to hell if they don't belong to catholic church. Don't judge, lest you be judged.

>Rock on which I will build my church

That is a very very very arbitrary interpretation of Lord Jesus Christ's meaning that somehow the bishop of Rome is the head of all christianity.

You are dividing the body of Christ. You should listen to your brother, humble yourself and repent.

>destroy a corrupt system
>new system gets corrupt

and so history repeated itself again

>Protestant Wars killed millions of whites because Luther wanted to divorce and to destroy the Papacy.
If the Vatican had said, "shit, he's right. We have become corrupt pricks who have forgotten the words of Christ. Maybe we should fix that." No one would have died. Instead they decided they didn't want to lose their profits, and went to war.

>World War 1 and World War 2 happened because of that.
Well that's disingenuous.

Yes, not just "corrupt", but corrupt.

>Created the most devastating war in Europe

What? Which war? A ridiculous claim.

>Protestantism behind bolshevism, ww1, ww2 and probably everything else that went wrong

Lololol, that's a nice imagination you got there.

>"shit, he's right. We have become corrupt pricks who have forgotten the words of Christ. Maybe we should fix that."
That's the thing, Luther didn't want to fix that. After the Pope received him, he had many meetings with Bishops and the Pope himself he was not pleased.
He started to ask for considering divorce, he started to ask for reforming the Mass, he asked for revising the rites... he was absolute mentally unstable and megalomaniac

The documents are published. It came to a point where the Pope said ''Enough!".
Then Luther started to write letters with vulgar language offending the Pope which was something a monk like him could never do.

When Luther decided to be a monk, he confessed to God always to obey his superiors and problems would be solved internally

What Luther did? he started to write pamphlets to turn the population against the Pope. And it didn't stop there, he became obsessed with the Papacy and destroying Rome.

We all know he didn't want to reform the Church, he wanted to destroy it. And because of that he used the poor germans as a bunch of soldiers, convincing them to murder Catholics with the help of anti-cleric agitators.

Get the fuck out degenerate Finn. The "masses" didn't need to have the bible in the vernacular--all that did was let them pick their own moral diets--and since people are selfish over time that diet became anything they thought was tasty.

Scandinavia is a godless hell now full of nigs busy pumping your women full of African Seed. No, Helsinki isn't being consumed by flame, but you are all being wiped out by your failure to maintain the true, tested faith handed down to you.

Return to the Holy Catholic Church. You cannot reason your way to god. You simply condemn you society to destroy itself by the very base urges you allow to gain respectability. Urges easily manipulated by the Jew in media, education and finance and the popular culture they influence.

>Which war?
The protestant wars(from 1524 to 1648) you dummy

relativistic bullshit. The work of the jew.

Good luck with that as you are exterminated by the use of these very same tricks.

>he started to ask for reforming the Mass, he asked for revising the rites
Which they eventually did...
>When Luther decided to be a monk, he confessed to God always to obey his superiors and problems would be solved internally
Which is fine until you get to the point where they weren't getting solved.
>We all know he didn't want to reform the Church, he wanted to destroy it.
Just the fat whore of Roman decadence. Nothing on Christianity.

youtube.com/watch?v=VYfF06CPHMo

>Which they eventually did
The Catholic Church never revised the Mass or rites. In fact in the 16th century they reaffirmed the Mass was the same mass of the 2nd century.
>Which is fine until you get to the point where they weren't getting solved.
He wanted everything, he wanted to get laid, to write the new mass, to remove things from the Bible... we all know the story.

Luther god laid, married, used the germans as his soldiers and burned the entire europe. Only because he thought he was the ''Chosen One''.

>Science essentially denies higher ideals and thus always ends up deteriorating into a kind of worship of mere mass.
A spiritual abscess caused by a trade revolving around the study of the material. People are made of more than simply raw data and variables. Though emotion is governed by chemical reaction within the brain, this fact still doesn't prevent us from having a spirit or belief in a creator.
>the prospect of nuclear annihilation to realise that there was good reason that science be kept in check by higher forms of value
The only problem with the prospect of it is a hesitation towards hypersonic and other technologies to combat an ICBM across a global field. The geopolitical results of such research would be disasterous if not shown off by the time it's reached its zenith.
>Science unconstrained, based on its empirical progression, tends towards self-annihliation; and yet, somehow, scientists are still completely lacking in humility
Knowledge without wisdom is a lacking of spirit isn't it?
>Modern scientists are very often like Lebron James, going "oh those silly people, they just aren't educated and don't understand things like I do" (while making no effort to actually inform themselves in any serious way).
I feel this is why pride was considered a sin in days past when people put more value into the health of the community instead of isolating themselves and standing out.

I think it's wrong of you to outright deny exploring, and furthering our understanding of one of the lord's greatest works. Though making myself out to be a know-it-all probably won't help. There is a grace in an attempt to master every facet of humanity, and the knowledge of man is a big part of that.

I give it 7 keks Dick Clark. I can dance to it and agree with it's point of view.

>Get the fuck out degenerate finn

>Scandinavia full of nigs

That is very rude and offending language there.

Helsinki is consumed by flames, yes, but so is Rome, Paris, Madrid, Ciudad de Mexico, Vienna, Brussels etc.

Are you saying african/non-european catholics are less worthy than white catholics?

:/

THIS.

It's the another episode of Finnbro again....

>relativistic bullshit

Nice way to dodge arguements and not engaging in a meaningful debate :). But of course, you and your church have the ultimate keys to truth! I am not worthy for any constructive arguements.

I'm glad you're a harmless fringe-loonie on a message board. In reality, people are leaving your corrupt church and becoming protestants in droves.

>The Catholic Church never revised the Mass or rites.
They didn't go full laser show, but Vatican 2 did change up some stuff.
>In fact in the 16th century they reaffirmed the Mass was the same mass of the 2nd century.
Which is highly unlikely in many ways.
>He wanted everything,
He did overstretch. Not denying that. Humans aren't perfect after all.
>he wanted to get laid,
Can you blame him? The celibacy rule is retarded.
>to write the new mass,
Latin Mass is my favourite, but there will always been room for appropriate changes.
>to remove things from the Bible
Like the Council of Nicaea did? Yea, that should never have been allowed to happen at all, let alone a second time.
>People are made of more than simply raw data and variables.
Nah.

Heh, I am sorry if I interrupt your sermon, padre, but you can't throw me out.

>That is very rude and offending language there.

We're done here. This is Sup Forums. Enjoy reasoning your way to extinction degenerate Finn.

For all others, come home to the mother church. Save it from this antipope. Restore it to glory.

>This is Sup Forums

If people are swine here mostly, why be one yourself? Be a light of beacon in darkness instead of be consumed by it, bro.

>people are leaving your corrupt church and becoming protestants in droves.

>"DROVES"-- I keked...

... And then becoming atheists and then becoming tools of the Jew.

And then becoming extinct.

>IN DROVES.

Yes, "choice" is the way to go....

Vatican II changed things 463 years later.
Did you know that it took quite a few years between first Luther heresies and his excommunication?
Did you know in that period he wrote that he would obey the Pope and re-think his writings?
He had the choice of renounce his monastic life. He declined, he said he would obey the Pope and later he wrote horrible things with profane language addressing the Pope.

he was not with good-faith. He was unstable and his mind was disturbed.
He could have left the monastery and preach his heresies but he decided to stay in the Church even though he was attacking the Pope behind his back during a period which he said in a document he would obey the Pope.

>Vatican II changed things 463 years later.
Yea. That's why i said "eventually."
>Did you know
Yes. Never said he was a saint. Or that he went about things the right way. But it's not about him or his personal life. He did what needed to be done.

We are not "bros" Degenerate Finn.
You are the useful idiot for the Jew.
And you are being consumed by the darkness. You have been led into it by a "religion" that tells you your "inner voice" and your interpretation of scripture will light the world. Think how freaking vain that sounds.

The servant of the Lord is humble. Those who serve themselves rather than the Lord over time are destroyed--by their own hand.

Scandinavia full of self satisfaction is ripe for the manipulation that is exterminating its people.

Your smug views represent that self satisfaction and will be your nations' doom.

Explain a suicide by egalitarian, or just the mind of the mentally ill. If we're just made of variables logically one should be able to manipulate their lives to their benefit to achieve happiness. Yet people feel shame for nonsense they have no relation to.

Daily reminder that catholicism is not christianity and the pope claims he is God. Death to catholicism.

>He did what needed to be done.
Saying to the Pope "I will obey and re-think my writings"
Proceeds to write things behind his back and make a revolution
Sounds how Freemasons operate. Deception and bad-faith

Amen brother, I wish I was in the kkk back in the day so I could deal with these catholicuck faggots in our land.

>Reminder: All catholics burn in hell.
Btfo

(((protestants)))

Crypto-kikery at it's worst.

The US is being eaten alive by your nonsense. Repent your sins agains the mother church. Come home and an obey.

Only through Christ's Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, may you save your people.

The jew will reason you right into extinction. Bow down to god and his authority on earth. Only that will save you from the Jew who manipulates your "conscience" with his tricks.

Amen

Protestants are people that want to identify as christian but act like jews.

The entire point of the protestant reformation was to loot the coffers of the catholic church that had been collecting wealth and then doling it out in a form of semi-successful quasi communism that has never been tried since.

Protestantism is was made so some faggot lords and royalty could get away with stealing a fuck ton of money.

Freemasonry and Protestants: Revolution at all cost. No wonder they gave birth to communism

You Southerner were manipulated by the Jews regarding slavery. They made a fortune off it. Got you into a war over it and then fucked you over blaming you for it.

Forgive me if I don't laugh as you spout ((their))) line. Our inquisition knew how to deal with them while your endlessly splitting sects became ever weaker and more liberal.

THIS!
DEUS VULT!

WAR IS UNAVOIDABLE, READ THESE THREADS:

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/142367935/

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/141164141/#q141164141

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/141360822/#q141360822

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/141498953/#q141498953

WAR IS UNAVOIDABLE, START PREPPING NOW.

No. No deus vult. You gtfo of America. Catholics not welcome.

>Explain a suicide by egalitarian, or just the mind of the mentally ill.
Different variables. Duh.
Doesn't always work out for the best, but you can always analyse it.

>Proceeds to write things behind his back and make a revolution
Yup.
>Sounds how Freemasons operate.
Actually no. That's very anti-Masonic. After all, "Let your yes be yes, and your no be no." as well as promising to be a peaceable citizen.

Anyway, you said in the last thread that you hate the Catholic church. So why do you care? Or is it just larping?

Guess who is the only religion actually breeding above replacement value in the US?
Catholics!
DEUS VULT!
Come home to the church you amerifag. The jew has almost talked you right out of your own country with your rights and your individualism. Do you like all the rights the nogs and fags have now in Murica?

I didn't think so.

>differing variables lead to a conclusion where it is just to take one's own life for the good of the equality of all people
That doesn't make any sense at all.

White Catholics aren't the problem, but catholic leadership is intent on importing spics to fill their pews. White Catholics vote just as white protestants do.

Spics are fake Catholics, they don't give a shit about scripture, just judge them based on their works, they don't produce any, which is why their countries are shit. The Catholic church has a leadership problem in that they seem intent on replacing white Catholics with spics, in a few decades being a white Catholic will be very akin to committing ethnic suicide as I can't imagine one could mingle in church life without facilitating miscegenation with spics, whom really don't give a shit about scripture.

American catholic leadership is destroying Catholicism in the U.S just to fill their pews, a sad state of affairs, and it's no wonder why Sup Forums Catholics think its prudent to get some protestant blood over.

But I don't think that Sup Forums Catholics are smart doing it the way they are, calling us heretics for largely accepting Christ just makes us reaffirm that the Catholic church is fucking corrupt. I wish them all the success in rooting out corruption, but i don't think this is a division they should agitate, especially not on Sup Forums. If you're a Christian on Sup Forums, you are not the issue but the cure.

How does it not? In such a circumstance, that person could determine that their continued presence is causing a net deficit of "good" for the rest of the people, so they commit sudoku.
Hell, that's usually how people dress it up, just in nicer words.

Just always work backwards from a point and you'll start to see it.