Was just in a thread where ex-mil suggested it might be difficult for supposed "shooter" Paddock to do what he did. The immediate, intense, vicious attacks on them all for merely posing the question were like having thrown a brick at a hornets' nest. This response means we should keep questioning how "Paddock" could even perform the shooting at all.
(That the "Paddock was an arms dealer" threads suffer little of this intensity of shilling suggests the "arms dealer" idea may be either a dead end or intentional misdirection. Keep following but be cautious.)
Gave me results of a site (txtmequick.com), but can't seem to download hacked emails there. Maybe we can see whats being texted?
Owen Evans
We don't have trustworthy evidence the "Stephen Paddock" identity is even real. We have a picture, we have a name, and we have some claims about them - from the very people whose tale about what happened is dubious.
Before trying to hack anything (and in general that's a great way to discredit "the hacker known as Sup Forums," so I'd strongly advise against it) someone would need to know who the "Paddock" character even was.
And that comes back to the beginning, of who was in that room, and when, and how could Paddock even done what he supposedly did.
This is the Las Vegas version of the "How could Oswald fire that many shots that fast?" JFK question.
Julian Hall
Incredible amount of shill attacks today.
John Myers
Where in my post did i say to hack anything? I'm saying that theres a database that has already been hacked but i can't seem to find the download. This stuff is already public, and it's meant for people to be informed about their online account being breached.
Jeremiah Harris
I just saw the site "hacked-emails" part and responded to that phrase. Between that and what I took as an implication we might find someone's texts (who might *not* be the guy, leading to nasty life-ruin stuff) I thought the warning was worthwhile (not just to you, it was in general). Seemed faster just to go ahead and say that rather than go back and forth asking if that's what you meant, you explaining (if you even answered at all), me responding.
I'm sorry if my brief answer came across the wrong way, and I'm also sorry for however I misunderstood what you meant. Thanks for being interested in the idea and trying to help.
Kayden Morgan
If you miss and can't shoot into a crowd of hundreds of people, using a machine gun, even from that far away, you're a faggot. He definitely could've done it, he wasn't wearing glasses when the shooting happened so he sees clearly and can probably aim properly.
John Reyes
OP stop being a serial cocksucker and pretending to be a fucking smartass. Why is it exactly that the tale of this shooting is "dubious", huh? What is so dubious about it you moronic infantile autist?
Camden Perry
Looking over the catalog right now there are lots and lots of threads speculating about "Paddock," about why he might have wanted to do things.
To me that's already off in the weeds, since those speculations (e.g., he "wanted" to attack a black audience the previous week) are based on the idea that "Stephen Paddock" even exists, and was acting alone.
Rather than assume the fundamental cover story is true, then finesse it, it seems more useful to establish (or at least raise the question) it would have been difficult for Paddock to physically accomplish the acts for which he is being scapegoated - thus showing "Paddock" didn't act alone, and the cover story is false.
Kevin Cox
>Could Paddock even do the shooting? yes
Bentley Butler
>JIDF yeah stupid goy, trust the jew ITT
Oliver Williams
300 yds is not far for target shooting. Why do you think it would be difficult for him to shoot a crowd of 6 million people?
Adam Bennett
Unfortunately there isn’t enough information related to the scene for us to make a call on what actually happened. What we can do is look into Paddock himself. I find it strange the casino erased his record and that his airplane registration leads to another person. Also what was the deal with the amount of weaponry? It’s stinky, especially when that John user laid out what would happen, despite being a day off with his claims
Jacob Powell
Tail number N5343M
Check it out flightaware.com, then check it out on FAA.gov (which resets every night at midnight).
Then check out Volant Associates.
Cameron Nelson
This essential guide to recognizing disinformation will be very helpful when reading the responses in this or any thread:
Note #5: >5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
Anyone ex- or current military who've put a bunch of 5.56 through a gun at distance and at night able to weigh in on how difficult it would be for Paddock to do what he's accused of doing?
Bentley Sanders
One more bump
Andrew Perry
Marines qualify at a similar distance in basic but there's also a huge difference in hitting a specific target at 500 yards and landing rounds in a general area at 500 yards like Paddock did, a casual shooter should be able to hit a crowd of 20k people at a concert
Isaiah Evans
Hi sholmo
Gavin Green
Not a military guy. But what he did was not difficult.
Effective accurate range of the .223 is 550 yards. I highly doubt he was selecting individual targets but likely was just spraying at groups of people.
An AR15 type rifle is very easy to shoot, which is one of the reasons it was selected by the military. Recoil is low, it's fairly lightweight. Off a bipod, what he did was not difficult. Shooting downhill like he was, at a range of three hundred yards, would only require an adjustment of several inches.
Leo Cox
6M where have I heard this exaggeration before.....
Nicholas Moore
>an arms dealer brings thousands of rounds of ammo with him >an arms dealer giving his buyers the ability to shoot him and take their money and all the guns Keyboard warriors have no worldly experience
Nathaniel Ortiz
Right, as if everyone involved in an arms deal isn't armed...
Daniel Russell
I know the ammo itself is good for the distance, the question is more how much more difficult would it be at 400M (eyeballing) at night?
The target area is just a moving sea of people, it would be hard to know whether one were close to target or not. Eventually if someone were persistent enough the crowd might start to disperse, and that could be the clue they'd have hit something. But until that time it would be hard for them to know if they were even close.
Anyone know how many rounds were fired? The bullet math seems right on the edge too. If there are 500 wounded, and it's reasonable to assume some of the shots from MB missed, then in an 11-minute window how many bullets can be run through an AR (or whatever else was in the room) without it overheating? The burst rates aren't sustainable.
Angel Davis
if he did any planning he could have found a rough estimate for the range and gone out and zeroed his rifles before hand then just made small adjustments that night for wind as for targets it seems like the crowd as a whole was the target rather than any one person so just landing rounds in that large crowded area would pretty much guarantee a hit doesn't really matter if it overheats the barrel since he had multiple rifles and was apparently on a suicide mission so keeping the rifle in good working order for the future wasn't a priority
Andrew Long
Would you spergs still be breaking this down this much by now if the shooter had been a muzzie? It seems you cunts only ever go mr internet detective when the shooter is white.
Liam Young
if he had guns he probably practiced with them, its not hard to go shooting.
Hunter Gomez
No need. The drop at 400 yards is roughly a yard and when shooting down 32 floors even less.
Nolan Howard
More questions about the identity of the body found in the room.
Right now we don't have any evidence indicating when that person entered the room. That might be "Stephen Paddock," but we don't have any proof *the person who rented the room was the body*. A totally different person could have rented the room with the name "Stephen Paddock," and the patsy brought into the room only when it was time to off him.
The body in the room is essentially the dead body equivalent of what the police call a "throw down piece."
What if the "Stephen Paddock" that rented the room, and that had tried to rent the room the previous week, was a completely different person (provided with ID's and payment cards with that name, not difficult for the right people)? Maybe the reason Paddock's brother is so confused about how it could happen is *it didn't happen the way it was described at all*.
In that case Stephen Paddock is more like Sirhan Sirhan or Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (except a little more dead), just a useful name and face to plant at the scene to take the blame.
Levi Harris
>Was just in a thread where ex-mil suggested it might be difficult for supposed "shooter" Paddock to do what he did. >Believing that that the poster was ex-mil >Believing that even if he is ex-military, he knows all the details of want went on, or is even as intelligent as you might think
Wew lad, keep being gullible as fuck.
This goes straight back to the 'only believing what you WANT to believe' ideas. Stop being a blatant retard.
Jordan Peterson
seems relevant to
Josiah Taylor
>Would you spergs still be breaking this down this much by now if the shooter had been a muzzie? Note the innocent patsy pictured in is muslim, so speaking for myself, absolutely.
The goal isn't to defend a white guy, it's to find the truth.
Julian Young
when watching the vids from the concert it almost seems like the first volley of shots misses the area and that is why there is confusion but no panic yet, he then readjusts his aim and were off.
Luis Jenkins
>doesn't really matter if it overheats the barrel >suicide mission We don't know even know who the body was that was found in the suite. For all we know they were lured there hours before, drugged, then just executed when it was time for the perps to leave the room. So speculating about the state of mind of a person when we don't know who they are isn't logically valid.
The barrel overheating question isn't being asked because of the suicide aspect (obviously all the weapons and bodies were disposable). It goes back to the Mannlicher question of whether it was even possible at all to cause all the casualties at the concert site, within the 11 minute firing time. If the bullet math requires the relatively low duty cycle AR to be operated far beyond its thermal capacity that's another sign the official story can't be true.
The number of casings in the room would also be a clue, if the number of casings is near or below 500 * inaccuracycompensation then again it seems nearly impossible for the story to be true.
Not saying the story can't be true, only saying so far there are large logical gaps in the story that mean its truth has merely been asserted, but not proved.
Dominic Reed
He was too old to be able to see clearly. The lens in your eye accumulates layers as you age. Surgery can help but it ain’t gonna make your eyes young again.
I would like to see you break out the windows of a hotel on the 32nd floor with all that wind and stand right at the edge without pissing yourself (I hear IDF wears diapers for real because they get scared of Arabs throwing rocks). There is no way this guy just “snapped” and acquired and modded a bunch of rifles, set up cameras outside of his room and all that. That just doesn’t happen. And why was he wearing gloves? The reddit gun (non) experts saying they get hot should stop parroting what their hive mind is responding with. Shooting gloves are for training and you lose dexterity with gloves. Gloves without fingertips I can see but the gloves he was wearing are used to prevent prints and for no other reason.
Also, 1200 feet away with the 5.56 rounds the media claims?
Liam Morgan
Not everybody practices gunning down groups of Palestinian children.
Nathan Cooper
Bog off bog pill in this thread
Robert Morgan
>He was too old to be able to see clearly.
Some actual substantiation for this claim enclosed.
Jordan Evans
It is "VOLANT LLC" -not- "Associates".
Isaac Johnson
i think the arms dealer conspiracy theory is the last likely
and as you say it might be pure disinformation, spread to muddy the waters
Grayson Barnes
>Some actual substantiation for this claim enclosed "Substantiation? Sir, keep that up and we'll be forced to ask you to leave."
Though from an optometric standpoint if he were using a sight then he could compensate for his vision - but that means every gun used would need to have a sight, zeroed and adjusted for a farsighted person (anyone 64 years old is likely to have presbyopia). Did the set dressers who arranged the guns in the room remember to leave a pair of reading glasses for the carcass of the patsy?
Bentley Morales
This seems like a bit of a stretch to me honestly. I agree it's odd he was able to be so effective, but getting a rifle sighted in isn't that complicated either. I've never been trained but mine shoots straight, just took some time. If what I heard was true he was a hunter so that should be something he is more than capable of.
Accurate full auto fire I don't have a great explanation for however. I've never fired anything full auto but I've shot lots of semi auto and I can imagine it's quite difficult. That being said, he did pause a lot it sounded like and I'm guessing he wasn't hitting with every shot. Maybe one or two per burst, but I haven't seen unedited footage from start to finish to know how many bursts were fired. With the bi-pod it would be easier, but I still agree that it's fairly suspect.
Brayden Miller
The plane also went through an intermediate owner for about a year, so the transfer from Paddock to Rogers (CEO of Volant LLC) wasn't a direct one.
No direct link from Paddock to Volant, no flights showing the plane went anywhere interesting (even with the new tail number N145AW), the plane connection seems not very interesting right now.
Henry Watson
Another Robbie Williams song that mentions mandalay and guns.
"The Road To Mandalay"
Save me from drowning in the sea Beat me up on the beach
What a lovely holiday There's nothing funny left to say This sombre song would drain the sun But it won't shine until it's sung
No water running in the stream The saddest place we've ever seen
Everything I touched was golden Everything I loved got broken On the road to Mandalay Every mistake I've ever made Has been rehashed and then replayed As I got lost along the way
There's nothing left for you to give The truth is all that you're left with Twenty paces then at dawn We will die and be reborn
I like to sleep beneath the trees Have the universe at one with me Look down the barrel of a gun And feel the Moon replace the Sun
Everything we've ever stolen Has been lost returned or broken No more dragons left to slay Every mistake I've ever made Has been rehashed and then replayed As I got lost along the way
Save me from drowning in the sea Beat me up on the beach What a lovely holiday There's nothing funny left to say
Zachary Roberts
Myanmar *is* a pretty violent place!
Henry Harris
I agree it can't be immediately ruled out as impossible, that's why I wanted to ask about it rather than just announce a crucial break in the case. But both bump-fire and full auto can be harder to control (at least in my experience). And the question of visual feedback, 400m away, at night, remains. The only real clue would be people running, and without doing the trig I don't know the angular sensitivity for aim, but all of that then connects to how many shots were fired, and was that necessary number even possible (taking into account time between bursts, changing mags, changing guns, moving between window locations).
Every part of the official story requires some element of the old "Then a miracle occurs" to be fully believable.
Brayden Wright
A big thing I want to point out before this thread hits the archive is the relative difference in shill response to the different threads and ideas within them.
In general, for the threads where the official premise >"Stephen Paddock" is a real person >that's the body in the room >the person in the room did all the shooting is accepted, and only the details questioned ("was he crazy? A leftist? An arms deal gone bad? A secret muslim radicalized by his gf?), then the shill response seems to be either a simply muddying of the waters or even enthusiastic assistance ("arms dealer" falls in that category).
But when the basic premise of the official story itself is questioned >there may have been more than 1 person involved >there's no proof "Stephen Paddock" is the dead body in the room >the entire story itself cannot be true (and therefore the police and government are complicit) then a much, much more violent response occurs. Instead of examinations of the questions we get standard disinfo agent responses like from Shlomo earlier.
This significant (to me) difference in shill defense strongly suggests that the basic story itself is false not just in the details, it's false *in its entirety*. "Stephen Paddock" is the "19 muslims with boxcutters" of the Las Vegas event.
And that means not just that time spent speculating about motives and everything else is time wasted (which the government will happily encourage), but most of all we're not asking the right questions, the ones that will get us to the truth of what happened.
As they used to say to bomber pilots in WWII, "When you start taking a lot of flak you know you're over the target."
Brody Nguyen
Thanks for participating in the thread everyone.
Samuel Fisher
So you proved it. Jews did it. In front of the esoteric symbols at the harvesting of goyim festival. To demonize whites and get guns banned. What now? Are you sure it wasn't the freemasons? Level 32? We're in a real pickle rick now. Why didn't they kill more people? Would there be more motives or this is for pure chaos?Explain.
Because a "It's the jews argument" Is not any stronger than blacks calling out whitey or any other racial group crying about "muh oppressor" or woman crying about the patriarchy.
Daniel Bailey
Exactly. Who's the Danley lawyer, I'm wondering?
Carson Robinson
You fags are missing the point. 223, 556, and 308 are all deadly at that range. A crowd of people is a big target. No training needed. The drop at that range might be a foot or two on 223, on 308 a skilled shooter could hit specific targets. But he didn't have to.
Jacob Clark
>Every mistake I've ever made Has been rehashed and then replayed As I got lost along the way
Gotta trace his tracks Anons
>Everything I loved got broken X girlfriends
Brody Nelson
this.
Juan Sanders
are you retarded? 9/11.
Jaxson Phillips
>So you proved it. Jews did it Huh? I don't think we've proved anything, other than that the government so far hasn't proved *their* claims.
While the Zionists, because of the their control of the US government and their own international power, always have means, motive, and opportunity, we've seen no evidence so far it's them (circumstantial, yes, real, not yet).
So fuck if I know who did it. Muslims? Mexicans? Martians? Mennonites?
My interest for now is we start investigating how the government story might be entirely false (which might have the consequence of proving that it's true). This means starting with the reminder to everyone we do *not* know who either the "Stephen Paddock" identity might be, who the body is in the suite and how it got there, and even the simple factual mechanics of what happened. If we can't identify the cutouts closer to the event itself it seems unlikely we'll find any real proof of who ran the event and why.
The outcome of people learning not to be so easily tricked and herded by public events would in itself be good, even if we never truly discover what happened.
Daniel Collins
No need for training for a target that large. With that rate of fire your not going to be very accurate anyway, but you are bound to hit targets in that general direction.
Charles Parker
Chance the rapper concert.. Most likely a white crowd. Its safe to say padlock knows his hip hop.
Ian Foster
Lets see the hotel cameras, they arent releasing them for a reason
Ayden Martin
>yfw the answer doesn't even matter and the only thing that does is that traitors get hung ASAP
Brody Jenkins
>6 gorillian
Colton Scott
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Asher Torres
>Bog off bog pill in this thread
Ryder Long
let me help you user..
a Mossad hit team performed this op
Brayden Garcia
WHERE WAS HIS CAR PARKED??? WAS HE PLANNING ON SHOOTING THE TANNERITE???
Parker Davis
If you can't shoot into a crowd of tends of thousands with that vantage point you are a massive homosexual. Gravity's doing most of the fucking work.
Ayden White
Not if (((he))) didn't walk into the hotel. wakey goy
Justin Diaz
Also he was shooting at the fuel tanks at the airport.
Jackson Thomas
damn reporters should have asked if the tannerite was mixed or still separate
Matthew Price
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Hunter Rivera
If I had the money and equipment I could have done it. I wouldn't but given the resources I would be able.
Most public events can be attacked with very little preparation or equipment. It doesn't happen because people don't want to do it.
Jackson Phillips
ISIS help fund and conduct local recruitment, this reportedly took place during 2016 across university campuses in Mindanao in the Philippines, via Muslim student associations and their alumni at Catholic institutions and at state universities and polytechnic institutes
Military guy. It would be very easy. An individual might take a few rounds to ensure a hit, but a crowd the size of a parking lot? Wouldn't even need to look down the sights.
Noah Bailey
Twitter Thread linking Paddock's sneakiness and accounting background to his gambling habits and their likely implications on his finances.
the trig is, at a 400m radius, every adjustment of theta degrees moves the targeted point to a new position 800 sin(theta/2) meters away along a straight chord
Gavin Jones
Needs glasses for NEAR vision.
A blind man can pray n spray. Bump firing wont get consistent 10x rings. Minute of person in dense crowd nfp.
Dominic Wood
In work I heard loads of normies discussing the shooting and a couple of people mentioned it to me in passing. All of them have a problem believing this guy was able to do this
Logan Hughes
Nice for Israelis to get that kind of personal attention from the Consul.
www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/ he managed to hit the fuel tanks at 660 yards as a non shooter is that hard?
Blake Parker
I have ar rifles. I do not own a bump fire stock. I have fired bump fired stocks. Hold trigger hand like a rock. Exert constant pressure forward on rifle with other hand. It is not perfect full auto but can get close. Hands will get tired. Ive read he shot for 9 minutes. My ar would burn bacon after a couple few mags. It would be quite an effort to go 9 minutes but doable.
Kayden Wood
OP have you ever been to a fucking ng concert? People standing shoulder to shoulder. You don't even have to fucking aim and you're guaranteed to hit people.
Cooper Reed
There is 0 chance the other thread was made by a military veteran. Yes he could have done all this shit alone. It's honestly super annoying that most people don't have the instinct or life-experience to draw off of in order to assess the threshold of when something is fishy or not. It really isn't. If we brought any story of anything onto Sup Forums or wherever and scrutinized it to death, we would come up with a billion bogus scenarios just like this. There isn't a whole lot that is actually weird about this other than behavior. Though even that tends to be a follower of "keep it simple stupid" - generally shit is the most mundane rather than fantastic hypothesis. Maybe he got stoked on guns and is a completionist. Maybe he wanted to make a big splash with the number and the guns were part of his legendary shooting stats. Maybe the dude was attention hungry. It's all probably insanely boring... Now, it's "fun" to speculate and come up with theories but it's probably some really banal bullshit... Having had people I know and shit that they've done in newspapers and seeing the insane character profiles people come up with and insane stories they come up with I can safely tell you from experience that stories like this get blown the fuck up out of proportion with NUTTY assumptions/commentary. Have fun I guess thinking up stuff but it's ultimately probably a snoozer other than whatever his motive was or if he has a tumor that made him deranged.
Josiah Reed
Tanks are huge. Yep. I could do it with a 22 bolt rifle. Gotta aim kinda high. A 556? Oh yea! Puncture tanks? Depends on projectile and thickness of steel tank. 308? Yessiree. Puncture likely even with range round ammo. Big movie fire ball? No. Incendiary ammo or tracers? Fire..... Would take long time to boil over tank for movie effect.
John Robinson
>he tried melting the steel beams
Jose Perry
That's kinda dumb. The kind of shooting he did was too disconnected to trigger that combat freeze the other milfag was talking about, and we don't know how long he agonized about the decision to pull the trigger before he did it. Once that first trigger pull was out of the way, it's really easy to in for a penny in for a pound it, especially from that kind of distance.
He wasn't kicking in a door to someone's home, seeing Hadji jr. taping fireworks to GI Joes while dad scrambled for his AK mere feet away.
Aiden Sullivan
indeed. researchers are onto this like you wouldn't believe. much will soon emerge and lets just say Tel Aviv wont like it
Xavier Howard
My first thought too!
Maybe we're lucky the Mandalay Bay didn't collapse...followed by the spontaneous collapse of the Mirage hours later.
Carson Nelson
>Tel Aviv wont like it They're masochists, they hate liking things.
>fires off hundred of rounds >massive target rich environment >accuracy rate of .maybe 40% >killrate of around 10% of targets hit I don't think you really understand the mechanics here. He was using a bumpfire stock for ROF. Does the military use bumpstocks? No. He was a scrub just spraying as much lead as possible and thats why so few people actually got killed. He wasn't picking the shots.
Not the mention most of those injured were most likely not shot but stampeded.
Landon Adams
Not all of it, since there were multiple shooters:
Woman at the concert stated that there was a Hispanic-looking couple harrassing people an hour before the shooting, the woman saying "you're all gonna die" and "they're all around you." archive.is/h4A6h (indicates multiple shooters).
sorry to break it to you military min wagers but shooting a gun is fucking easy and he was able to freely shoot for over an hour, even with a shit shot it's not hard to believe, you can even hear in the videos there are long pauses between shots when he's reloading
Josiah Rivera
The arms dealer thing seems like disinfo/misdirection, but there could be some truth to it (maybe the deep state used him as a convenient patsy for their operation).
Kevin Nelson
>he's reloading no proof it was him
Carson Jones
>used him as a convenient patsy yes. that is a key element of the op the research group I am participating will be releasing much more tomorrow, early afternoon
