Basic income = communism through the back door

Basic income = communism through the back door

I see a lot of Sup Forums users who think basic income is a good idea because of automation, i'm here to tell you it's not. it's communism plain and simple and it's the 21st century way of forcing communism down our throats. why in the world do you think it's the elites like mark zuckerberg, elon musk, bill gates, etc. who are supporting this idea? because it makes you into a slave while putting more money into their own pockets.

it's giving people money for not working and is a sure sign that society is collapsing as instead of moving up in the ladder and trying to get better in life you just stay there because your income is enough to sustain your lowly pathetic NEET existence. if your job gets automated then it's your own responsibility to gain the technical skills to get a better job and it's not society's problem that you were dumb enough to choose a profession that was easily automatable. people who can't compete with robots are basically admitting that they are subhuman, they can starve to death for all i care so don't try to force me to sustain their lives. no society has ever prospered by having a large percentage of its population on welfare. basic income is welfare for all. it's welfare on steroids.

>don't try to force me to sustain their lives
this * 1000

basic income is communism

Your idea of communism/socialism, like that of all ancaps or free market fundamentalists, is retarded.
Basic Income/a welfare state doesn't entail the abolition of private property, which is THE feature of socialism/communism.

I would personally benefit from a universal income - except that I won't, because the general impoverishment it will cause will undermine the wealth of the society that sustains me.

Don't give people cash. Subsidize their basic necessities and limit inflation on those goods and services at 1% per year. Replace all taxes with consumption tax, not exceeding 20%, to pay for it.

>free market fundamentalists
GTFO you socialist scum.

All welfare relies on theft. Welfare means stealing from me to subsidize some worthless parasite. It's anti private-property just like communism and socialist.

Sounds like socialism to me. Looks like I was right.

>free money makes you into slave

I don't think you understand. The alternative is getting culled or left to rot by the super intelligent bioengineered humans / AI. Average humans aren't going to have a place in the world anymore.

exactly this

the huge NEET parasite class that will survive off the basic income will be robbing the working people at the gunpoint of the state, under threat of prison time for tax evasion

it's impossible to morally justify, and it's a complete waste of resources

If that's the case then so be it, we progressed as a species because of natural selection and survival of the fittest, if the weak get culled it's better in the long-run as future children will be born to 'super intelligent bioengineered humans' which is better. Instead of thinking about what is best for us as a species you are only thinking of yourself, which is what niggers do.

this, also what if they limit basic income to citizens (NOT IMMIGRANTS) working a certain amount of hours per week, and making less than a certain amount per year? Those who don't need it or are too lazy to do shit, don't get to abuse the system like it's welfare

In a monarchy if the crown elects to support a basic income I am duty bound to pay the taxes, or his majesty may rightfully eject me from his dominion.

There are at least a dozen formal non-communist ways to have a basic income.

In most democracies though yeah it's shit.

It won't matter. 30+ years and the AI will have ground us all into a fine paste and pulled whatever useful materials they can out of it.

you get what i meant

So they control the people with guns. Morality doesn't enter into it at all,

basic incom is retarded

o other direction

unregualted capitalism

erase case law

end fed

lower gov spending 99%

tax consumption and or real estate only

total gov spensding 1% gdp

no regulations

Fair enough, and in fact I agree with you. But my point was that it's not a matter of socialism vs capitalism at this point. It's about the instantiation of a new world order and the subsequent fallout.

However, a very real problem is the fact that most people are in fact, selfish. And without some means of quelling them, you're going to have some mass civil unrest as people lose their livelihood. It will be like the red terror all over again.

yes it does, all the working people earned their resources, the dead weight has no moral right to steal it from them, it's morally unjustifiable

*morally unjustifiable

The other option is to just make it so small that NEET and welfare fags will love in abject property if they don't work.

A UBI doesn't have to actually be a subsistence wage, it can serve as an alternative to a minimum wage instead. No min wage, but everyone has a minimum amount of liquid cash per month would be less distorting to the labor market.

Basic income is an idea propelled by retards who have no idea how economics works.

>increase expendable income
>demand for goods increase
>prices increase

Basically just a way of causing long term inflation for a very short term gain

You don't need to have basic income, you can pay the water tab and give people an apple a day , it's still communism according to you.

But they can just be left to die, no income shit.

this, it's the helicopter money to prop up the ponzi scheme just a little longer

Welfare requires population control, otherwise you have a growing and unbounded number of bored people looking for other bored people with whom to make more children about which they will care nothing.

If the state subsidizes your life, it will eventually need to control any part thereof it comes in contact with (all of it).

Any one who seriously buys into basic universal income does not understand how it works.

Generally anyone for basic income is also for them getting paid to do nothing cause its cheaper them dealing with their bloated useless corpses or some shit like that.

>people who can't compete with robots are basically admitting that they are subhuman
whats your job? im willing to bet it could be automated in the future

Basic income would create an issue spawned from another issue. Prices are increasing while disposable income is shrinking (or at least debt is accumulating)

It's still theft, yes. If you don't work, you don't eat. That's how it should be.

>But they can just be left to die
Yer. How is this is a bad thing? I can assure if you removed all welfare and instead apply the natural law to economics the people at the risk of starving would work hard and we would save our economies and our nations. The risk/fear of death is a huge motivator for a lot of people.

Absolutely this. Welfare is slavery hence why I said it's communism through the back door. The government will literally control you and you will be their property.

If no one works your system collapses, if you give them enough money to buy basic stuff they will spend in the things you need them to buy, in order to sustain economy. in that sense they are still helpful to society as consuming machines.

I'm a Data architect. I don't believe we'll ever be able to automate all the jobs EVER plus automation in the past has done nothing but create new jobs and increase prosperity anyway.

Also like Musk says if AI is a threat we can merge with it.

>f you give them enough money to buy basic stuff they will spend in the things you need them to buy, in order to sustain economy.
So they are taking money out of my pocket to buy my products -- what's the fucking point then? There's nothing sustainable about that. People who can't compete (low IQ shitskins) need to be removed from the gene pool.

They are not your products, but products you also need, that way the product producer has an incentive, by the way we already pay incentives to those same products producers.

To me, the idea is attractive only on the grounds that I can do whatever I want with the money. The problem, however, is that a some things I want to do are illegal for no good reason.

I think basic income would work well with intelligent people who can be reasoned with. These are the sort of people who are entertained by intellectual growth or complex activities.

On the other hand, we know what the majority of idiots would do with, say $2k/month: Buy jewelry, make their cars obnoxiously loud, buy guns and go shooting the men their wives sleep with, etc...

We're really not smart enough for basic income to work, as in order for it to work in a way that doesn't ultimately transform into state subjugation, a complex dialog of trust needs to be held open continuously between the state and the people.

Actually most leftists, of the socialist and communist variety are trying to stop basic income since it is inherently a capitalist idea.

right becasue money is earned fairly and taking it for stupid shit you think is good is fukin theft

all crony is from gov spending and statism
gov spending 1% of gdp andnothin to loot
and get rida regualtiosn so they cant middle man everyone

fukin we be 100,000x the GDP if had kept 1800s captialism that ended slavery

But you have roads, public projects designed to bust the economy, like taking care of parks and museums.

How do you plan to take care of those things?

instead of basic income, i suggest massive foodhalls where anyone can eat. massive bunkhouses where anyone can stay. national health insurance so noone bleeds out.

this way you are always kept warm and fed. anything past this is your problem.

oh and from this end all child support to non natives. fuxk the muzzies and their parasitic ways.

> Population keeps rising
> Job market keeps getting more and more automated resulting in fewer positions available
> Soon reach a point where 10,000 people are fighting over 1 job

Please explain to me a feasible alternative to the system in question or something straight out of Elysium? I can only think of cleansing the planet of the "undesirables" which will include you (if alive) and your shitty offspring.

In a standardized society procreating becomes exponentially more complicated, as industrialized countries demonstrated.

The Federal Reserve and universal sufrage have made the basic income not a question of "if" but of "when" ...