NEW FIND!! COLAR GRABBED!!

Lots to look at. This is enhanced version of original for better sight at blood patterns.

>>New find is circled in GREEN

GREEN - clothing pattern indicates he was grabbed by collar
>>Wonder how he did that too himself.

Yellow - Area of first pool of blood. He was hit in the back of the head and fell to ground. >>Rifle under his leg was already there(see room pics). He was hit during arms deal.

Orange - Bloody Gun. The trail and blood on the gun was was purposely connected to Yellow. Fatal shot occurred while he was on ground from head wound.
>>Gun was placed in first pull of blood after gunshot whole buyer was standing up. Notice blood facing up on gun chamber.

BLUE - Internal bleeding from gut/chest gunshot.
>>Blood filled lungs and produces stream of blood out his mouth

I originally started this to debunk the kick theory. If he had been kicked off his chest the clothing on his shirt would reflect that. From that I noticed the grabbing marks to his colar.

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There is an empty shell in the thicker pull of blood. This has been discussed IN multiple threads.

Look closely, there is darker area of blood immediatly around the shell. As in it landed there and created a small impact area. This would NOT have formed if the bullet was the pre-blood as it fully surrounds shell and has no flow pattern, as you would see if a tree was in a river.

The darker area in the blood pool is the pattern of the carpet you incredible retard

Open your fucking eyes, this is the most low-effort shit I've seen all week.

Seems legit

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Nice one. Well thought out.

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This is sliding HARD

A lil context of this, please?

Every single murder that ever occurred on the planet is a conspiracy theory. Nobody in their right mind would pick up a gun and shoot another human being with it! That's absurd! Humans don't do that, they're good people!

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"All of the Israelis that we were looking for has been located," the official told The Jerusalem Post, confirming that their diplomats on the ground in Nevada were on their way back to California.

kys

Collar moved when they were checking for a pulse.

So his colar was like that in the original?
Im to lazy to go and check other threads.
Also to bump fire this thread

Remember that conspiracy theory that turned out to be right? Which is your favorite conspiracy theory that turned out to be true? I bet you can't wait to find out at the end of your 90 year life that none of your conspiracies were found to be true.

I wonder at what point he shot himself. If I'm understanding the timeline from the press conference correctly, it was over an hour after the last gunshot, before anyone entered the room. Would the blood have been wet enough to leave that trail from the handgun, if it was kicked at that point?

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So an arms deal gone bad that (((they))) decided to shoot fuck out of everyone near by and blame it on this patsy?

Maybe it was meant to go bad to stage the attack and have a fall guy one the scene to close the case

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These are getting more and more dumb. How to hide a truth in a conspiracy, Just keep adding more conspiracy bullshit.

He shot himself then continued shooting. I personally think he was shot after the first round of shooting. Remember the oddly long pause after the first round of shots. Yup, that's when they shot him. Gut shot to make death slow. wanted him to see them shooting. Which explain the empty shell in the thicker bloodn

>COLAR GRABBED

A G R E E D

To bring about le ebul guns meme. I wouldn't put it past (((them))). As time goes on this will become clearer.

OK so who grabbed his collar? What else would cause that pattern?

That was my first thought, as well. Then I looked at the portion of his collar that is going behind his head, it is moved up as well.
How do you fall on your back and yet your collar is pulled upward?
Someone probably grabbed him by the feet to position him.

Congrats for providing the most ridiculous "analysis" I've seen today. We did it Reddit!

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't leave a drip trail like that if it was kicked, it would smear. The drops would be further apart or thrown a little past the gun to reflect the speed/force. The trail looks more like what happens when you walk with a bloody weapon in hand, or with a small wound. Doesn't make any sense for him to have been walking around though, considering he doesn't have a trail of blood going down his shirt. It really does look like he was shot laying down.

If he was bludgeoned repeatedly there would be similar trails on the walls, since droplets would be thrown from the weapon in an arc. If we can get a photo of that, we'll know for sure.

What's the timeline for results of an autopsy?

Curious to see if that may be why we're getting drips he had help

I think it was a one time crack to his head. Maybe with the 5lb hammer? He was 64 and not expecting it. i doubt it took much

>just accuse them of being a redditor it always works they'll never guess I'm shilling huehuehue

My favorite is the one about Iran being deliberately destabilized by the CIA and them being behind the 1952 coup to secure oil and influence in the region. It's pretty far fetched except for the mountains of declassified CIA documents describing precisely what the conspiracy theorists predicted.

There was a theory that the CIA under Reagan was smuggling weapons and drugs to fund guerrillas in south america. It's now known as the Iran-contra affair.

Another good and recent one that's pretty relevant was the theory that US law enforcement was actually selling weapons to cartels to track their movements. Turned out "Operation Fast and Furious" really was a thing. It's naive to assume the entire scope of these operations and related similar ops are known to the public.

Maybe the collar was grabbed when they checked his pulse.

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Uhhh blood is a liquid. It flowed around/under the casings that were already lying there.
Collar thing is weird.

That's reasonable, if it was just one blow to the head that knocked him out. It's consistent with the trail if they immediately walked away, as you can see it starts to drip faster and faster as it moves away from him as if pooling towards gravity. If they hit him hard enough to draw blood though, there would still be some splatter. It There would probably be a lot of blood dripping out, which would create that "first" blood pool if he immediately laid down...

Wouldn't be as defined if that were the case. Unless the same guy who played soccer with his gun also played tug of rope with his colar

I think the gun was laying in the patch of blood that is lighter, where the drips lead to. The gun stopped the blood from seeping as thickly as the rest of the pool. The gun is also covered in blood, and there's a straight edge on that patch of blood that would be formed by the straight profile of the top of the pistol.

My theory is the gun was in the blood, someone picked it up and moved it. They held it briefly below the blood stain then realised it was dripping and placed it above the bloodstain. You can draw any conspiracy you want when you don't have the facts, so I'm going to assume it was a member of the swat that did it, until further info comes out.

The body was likely moved as the SWAT team entered. It's obvious that the standard procedure would be to confirm the target was incapacitated and disarmed.

If he fell awkwardly such as forward, to the side etc. Then I doubt they would hesitate giving him a kicking, straightening the body out, disarming and confirming death.

This may also explain excess or fresh looking blood. If swat members fired on him even once, he would leak blood.

Looks like he just sat down and shot himself in the chest then the swat team moves the gun away from him and checks his pulse.

exactly, there would not be blood on that bullet had it been there before the blood was spilled.
Someone tampered with this sight, the narrative is totally shit, or both.

>conspiracy theories can't ever be true!
>Names three of the top of his head
Nice

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>and there's a straight edge on that patch of blood that would be formed by the straight profile of the top of the pistol.
Can you draw what you're talking about? It makes sense if the gun was lying in the blood that only the widest parts would have contact with the blood. One problem is that I don't know how that revolver would sit when resting on its side, since we could predict where else should have been touching the ground. I see a little on the back of the handle.

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Most likely.
These guys breaching had full adrenaline mode going.
>kick the gun
>check his pulse
While however many other guys are running in clearing rooms, yelling shit, stomping all over the place... not a far stretch.
We also don't know when the photos were taken to explain why the guns are where they are or setup the way they were.

Where's his 13 tattoo? In the image being circulated, the one with him taking a shot/eyes closed he has a 13 on his throat. This guy doesn't have one.

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I dont think it was a tat just his wrinkly old neck

True. Good to consider. Leave no cross unturnt

Looks like he was grabbed from behind by the collar. Note the redness on the neck and how the collar is stretched.

His shirt was pulled up over his head. You can see it in one of the room pictures.

He wasn't shot in the chest. Blood from his face got on his shirt when it was over his head.

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Phone posting at the moment.
Without knowing how much blood is on the other side of the gun, we can't say if it has been flipped to the other side.

Rotate 180 so the barrel points in the direction of his feet.
Move gun to the blue line, within the blood circled in yellow.

What's the point - the story is already set in stone.

Normies too busy bickering over "if a Mudslime did this it'd be terrorism11111"""2 im so smart xD"

>Phone posting
seroiulsly kys

Or don't rotate the gun.
Don't know what side it was on, so just picture the straight edge of the gun against the blue line in OPs pic.

self-bumps don't work newfag but good info anyway.. i guess

That is a very compelling argument as well. it definitely looks like a tattoo, but it's also difficult to tell...

Looking at the thicker blood and little trail to the gun, it looks like the gun was laying in the top left of the darker blood. Police kicked/moved gun and thats where the shitty trail came from

Nice one! Maybe they want him to fall backwards? To me it looks like someone forcefully sat him up into a seated position by grabbing his colar

>New fag
The dude has 11 posts, so he's not super new.

the dude self-bumped, so he's a newfag.

i mean damn

Self bumps used to work

i'm leaving this thread now i'm scared for my life because of kek

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It's not 100% clear but it looks like there could be a faint red stain on the side of the grip, as would be expected if it was resting in a pool of blood. The widest parts are the grip and the cylinder, I checked with a friend's gun. It's not the same model but it's something.

fuck

get this..
>get shot in the chest while in a fire fight with police
>laying down from the gun shot don't want to be taken alive
>shoot yourself in the head through the mouth
>revolver in your hand slumps to rest on your chest over the wound
>revolver gets covered in chest blood
>SWAT comes in to secure the area
>grab you by the collar and toss away the gun for safety
>gun covered in chest blood drips as it is tossed
>collar gets wrinkled

fucking wow

Thinking about it, I don't think the barrel would even touch the ground to block the flow. It would be held slightly off the ground.

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>Vegas hotels some of the most secure places in america
>hookers watch for God's sake even tho hookers are legal
>pit boss breaks thumbs of card counters
>no idea pshyco hauls 10's of thousands of dollars, hundreds of pounds of gear to luxury suite
>known gambler in Vegas
>LVPD acknowledged had to have help
So who inside the casino on the security team let this happen?

You know, the bright red blood looks like oxygen rich lung blood that I've seen from every deer I've ever harvested. Would that kind of blood come from a round through the mouth to the back of the head? Also wouldn't we see ore tissue/hair/brains coming from the back of the head?

I think he suffered a sever chest wound we aren't seeing.

that’s not the official story though

Sushi lead poising

OP is suggesting he was shot in the chest while supine on the ground. The thinner "first" pool of blood would be coming from a blow to the head, and the thicker lung blood would be coming out of his mouth later.

It's another fagtron who thinks the body should have been completely undisturbed before this picture was taken. As if they breeched the room and immediately took this picture seconds afterwards.

Oh someone moved his collar!!! TO CHECK FOR A PULSE YOU FUCKING IDIOT

Doesn't explain two separate pools of blood. And that's handgun has an exposed hammer. Wouldn't be tossed that distance. To dangerous

nah this is all wrong. sorry dude good effort

checked, but as we can see in OP's pic, there are far too many droplets of blood on the floor to have fallen from a gun that was quickly tossed aside, especially from an absorbent surface such as his shrt. the blood just does not look like it has pooled enough in that area to allow for that many drips to have fallen from the gun. Also since the drips are moving away from the body in a serpentine pattern (as such is shown in red), it had to have been deliberately and slowly moved to produce that pattern. If it had been kicked or tossed, there would be much fewer droplets, or there should be a streak moving in a straight line away from the body(shown in blue)

Shot himself and continued shooting?.. Why?????

Makes sense, the blow to the back of the head produced thinner blood that was readily absorbed by the carpet. The bright red lung blood being thicker and coagulated "floated" on top.

Good work burgerino

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His collar wouldn't be blocking the carotid artery, it's closer to the jaw than the collar. They could also easily check his wrists. If they really thought he could still be alive, he would be in handcuffs.

that revolver has an internal hammer, dawg

THEY ALREADY SAID THE SHOOTING HAD STOPPED SO THEY TOOK THEIR TIME PERIODICALLY CLEARING ROOMS.

They were rushing in there. They already OFFICIALLY stated so. Everything i have said has not been OFFICIALLY stated true or false. I am drawing conclusions from what I see.

But if they took their time to get to the room. (Almost like they was no longer a threat in the room). They would seemingly not be tense enough to rush over and grip him up to get a pulse. I doubt they even needed to check. That mofo was there for an HOUR at that point

it explains why they first said he was killed by police then was changed to killed himself though...he was shot by police but then killed himself so he wasn't taken alive.

The blood splatter contradicts it, though. Where did that drip trail leading to the gun come from, then?

Who gives a fuck how one posts here? We are all in this together.

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mother of God.
Good shit user.

the fact that its 'serpentine' or a sine wave pattern just indicates that the gun was flicked and spun away as it was tossed. the blood wave form indicates 1 and 1/4 rotation in the air.

gun was most probably kicked away by the police on entry

>Maybe the collar was grabbed when they checked his pulse.
Why didnt the cops handcuff him, seeing as thats what they do when they shoot someome.

He lacks the black stains from a close external shot and not burns around his lips and nose from the gasses escaping a mouth shot.

>reddlit shit
fuck off cancer