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Do you have ideals that include the well being of everyone currently existing and their descendants?
Be bold, come on, lets try to work some things out with a universal goal in mind.

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>Do you have ideals that include the well being of everyone
No. 90% of people are garbage and should die.

Fuck your eyeball of death.

You won't even allow yourself the thought of real improvement?

That's the solar system.

im all for improving everything for everyone, but i dont want anyone to come to my country to get it better

>but i dont want anyone to come to my country to get it better
well thats too bad

Become a trad Catholic or Orthodox otherwise you're fucked. Ultimate black pill is that "many are called, few are chosen" - Mathew 22:14

That's a start, maybe we can entertain this thought a bit further:
>im all for improving everything for everyone

Doesn't have to happen here, would be great but it's all cool when you think about some other time.

Our universal goal should be to find the Nazis hidden beneath the Earth .

When you realize the world's problems all arise from a small rootless tribe, you realize how great the world could be if we just took control of (((them)))

That's your blueprint?
Maybe that's a shitty plan ever thought about that?

I think there's too many people in the world for everyone to live good lives. Communities are too big.
Ancient greeks had it nice with direct democracy.

Mostly Free flow of goods and info. The international community needs to recognize a territory for every ethnicity group to have sovereignty over. There can be other multicultural countries for those who want them. Encourage cooperation, but stop interventions in foreign markets. Food and other aid is ruining Africa.

Yes, the genocide of blacks, jews, abos, chinks, mudslimes and indians.

r u here 2 steal, gelynas?

No, I'm going there to drive on your perfect roads and live inawoods

alright. then i dont care. besides, you're white and any white is better than some shitskin or nigger

now then
Now Then
NOW THEN

time is all a measure. It's the last minute desperation that ruins your plea, you did this to yourself.

White man reigns supreme and holds dominion over every territory. Other ethnicities can have australia with a hard embargo. Mixed race and any lingering mixed offspring through pregnancy or recessive genes gets sent to australia too.

The rest of the world accepts the american constitution as law, and women can no longer vote ever.

Thank you for your input.

It's not a last minute plea, lmao.
This is just the beginning.

Group people by their cultural standards of behavior first, then determine what rules should be imposed to ensure their thriving in comfort.

Unfortunately, it looks as though we'd have many thousands of different groups of people, the separation of which is logistically impossible on a planet of this size.

I feel this has been a deliberate confounding of the entire species in the pursuit of goals set forth in some insipid vacuous theism. We're all going to die miserably, because we left stupid, stress-rotten cultists in charge.

I really sincerely believe that an unsympathetic society produces less human suffering even at the margins. This is the great frustration of being a capitalist: I think I'm better at socialism than socialists are. I think socialists sabotage the groups they want to help most (downtrodden class), and empower the groups they want to help least (planner class).

You sound like you're still wet behind the ears. Do your homework and read the classics, at the very least get hold of a good introductory to philosophy. We are currently at the end of an anacyclosis; your feeble ochlocratic mind can't handle the brutal facts of reality. The world is largely broken though we can only comprehend this brokeness in the context of something transcendent. If we can cling to any hope whatsoever it is that this transcendent aspect has made a connection to the material world. This message of hope is easily rebuked by those who cling to the temporal/material reality they currently find themselves. Jesus isn't the wishy washy rockstar that televangelists spew on about. Be honest with yourself and don't be a fuckhead. Find God

OP, why are you always such a faggot?

I think some you guys misunderstood the word ideal.
The OP doesn't ask for solutions but mantras that include everyone currently existing and their descendants. In a next step we might ask ourselves how to get there.

The world community is one organic body, this doesn't negate membranes dividing into entities inside that body. Just like you're composed of various entities.

Anyway I think I'll leave this thread to you guys.

white people need their own exclusive country, away and free from all other races.

there isn't one place on earth where white people can move and live freely among their own.

If you think there is such a place please reply.

Remember:
1. Exclusive to white people.
2. Free to come and go.

My universal goal is for you to leave me alone. UN nigger.

>Obviously I won't die.
>I am the cream of the crop.
You are not.

You're an intellectual weakling. Go back to your pissy appetite of Alan watts and eckhart tolle

Of course we do. Everyone does. But we have priorities. Good Guy NatSocs for example want everyone to have their place and have peace.

Absolutely not. I hate you. I hate you all. And partially because of the immigration policies people like you push, I will not have any descendants. I will have no descendants, so why should my ideals include thinking of others? You killed me. You got out women to worship black dick and don hijabs to marry sandniggers. I hate you. I hate all your descendants. I will never be happy. I want you all dead.

>Of course we do.
Share them, that's what the thread is about.
I was asking you to share ideals and this was your answer: "many are called, few are chosen" - Mathew 22:14
So I had to ask myself wether this is your ideal or if you don't know the meaning of what an ideal is.

>And partially because of the immigration policies people like you push
What?

I use the UN flag so I'm neutral, I have no affiliation with the organization extending what I stated nor do I know what they represent in detail.

I have never seen a more blackpilled leaf.

i dont believe humanity can ever impose order upon the universe so it is best to learn and understand as much as we can so that we may live in harmony with nature

>Do you have ideals that include the well being of everyone currently existing and their descendants?

I legitimately want all ethnicities to have their own nations. Homelands they can call their own, where they stay there and work to improve themselves, and use pride as a motivator in order to drive them to push forward down the paths of science and engineering. I want this to allow for friendly rivalries, and hope that there would be those who value the overall gains more than their own ethnic pride so they can collaborate with their rivals, especially on projects that push us towards colonizing space.

This doesn't mean everyone has to share everything with everyone. Let's say American whites collaborate with Russian Slavs and the Japanese for a new method of space travel. Or for some sort of space colony if you prefer. They wouldn't need to give this information to China, England, South Africa, or anyone else if they didn't wish to.

I want us to seize the stars while retaining our hold on Earth. We've all heard the saying about putting all your eggs in one basket, we need to quit fucking around with identity politics and get started on that shit before an extinction event hits us. They're not that fucking rare, so the risk is real.

Try to live forever. Whatever it takes, know that you also are valuable. Every last person is valuable, even those who must do horrible things to survive.

Is that sufficiently inclusive of everyone currently existing and their descendants?

I like that, so you mean an alignment towards science answers the OP?
That's what I also had in mind.

Yes.

I'll break it down to you introducing 3 concepts that can be found in the Tengrist body:

>When you have no descendants you die
>Tengri is infinite (currently equated with the universe)
>Idealism

So, if you work for ideals, and have descendants you raise, then you'll live forever.

Fuck off, I care only for my people.
The rest of you can rot.

No needless suffering caused by destroying the environment by multi-national corporations for the profit of psychos. Instead, the ideal I have is respecting nature and living with it not against it like we do today.

No more putting together of so many different groups of people and making them compete for supremacy and resources in the same nation. Multi-culturalism does not help anyone- it suffocates everyone and dillutes their culture in the name of industrial society.

Humanity should look to become a multi-planetary species, but without overlooking all the disasters we have brewing on Earth already.

These are some examples of things that do not only apply to my race but to everyone.

But the universe is one machine, everything being interconnected, how could you work for your best when you deprive yourself of the foundation you stand on?

Everyone who wants to be a politician has to unironically believe Post modernism is essentially correct

I like it, thanks.

yes I do. and you're not going to steal my plans and pervert it, you fucking hellish spawn

you are a bit extreme... I say just the blacks and Jews

Man is a social animal but also a territorial one.
You keep out of our territory.

youtube.com/watch?v=v2f8kd1d278

Talk to the ideas instead of people, what the hell.

>caring about the well being of anything beyond me

The Übermensch is above that.
All the ancient Greek literature at my hands, what you gone do about it, I know, not read it. Kek. So much for your territory.

Fuck you UN. Kek is with me, you can't steal chaos!

heh, it was meant for thia faggot here

Yes. Someone once tried to show us the way lot long ago.

So you support the status quo.

Fuck your autistic kek desu, I don't know no diplomacy.
Serves you right.

No

Time turns, from Hellenic Golden Age to Rome's backyard, and from that to the Byzantine Empire and now we're a foreigner's colony.
But time turns and we will come back again.
We, unlike you ephemeral civilizations, are timeless.
Unless you're a nigger in Africa or a mongoloid in the steppes, then this is our world you're living in, and we'll take it back eventually.

>Be bold, come on, lets try to work some things out with a universal goal in mind
How about you and your flag get universally fucked.

keep making fun of Kek, you fucking demiurge!
soon the global agenda will crumble, together with your other jewish schemes!

In Greece everything happens the next day ad infitum.

We're here NOW, participate in this thread or shut the fuck up. You already stated that you're solely about your people like a fucking hunter gatherer. You'll never realize anything with that mindset.

I know what you say to be true. I don't believe it, I know it. But don't you think if we are at the forefront, we should be righteous leaders?

You'd still be hunter gatherers if it weren't for us.
Which is fine, I mean sure, good for you and all.
Took you some but you finally got out of your caves, bravo.
But keep your dirty neanderthal hands off my country or when we will come back, there'll be hell to pay.

Pastoral Nomads.
You're the one with the hunter gatherer mindest , I think systematic and at times hierarchical.

Why? And wait the next time the barbarians rise to slaughter us again?
How many times can we afford to forgive Germany for example before we say enough is enough.

Our ancestors cast one glance on them, denounced them as barbarians and never looked twice.
That was a mistake.
The barbarians copied our ways and in their ruthlessness became more powerful than we and claimed the world for their own.
Not because they were better than us or more ambitious but because they were willing to destroy and corrupt everyone until they submit to them. We have never been so evil as they, to stoop so low.

But just as we taught them, let us be taught by them now.
So when we will return to power, we shall show them no mercy.

People below a certain physical and mental threshhold should be killed off and quality healthcare should be available to all so we can play this shitty game of life a little better

What a disgusting delusion.
Your ancestors are your people only in metaphor.
They are not your flesh. You cannot live through them.
Don't make people for the r/raisedbynarcissists community.
Quit trying to live through others.

No, because people like to do things that go contrary to their own well being and the only way to stop them is by using force, which I believe is wrong.

People need to be able to be free enough to decide for themselves how they want to live their lives and deal with the consequences, which is why I'm a libertarian.

Descendants are not your flesh, rather. Although it works either way. Be your own selves. There is nobody else you can be, and no profit in untruths.

>only in metaphor
What isn't, how do you make the distinction?
You could limit yourself to what you are experiencing.
But then you'd have to admit that you can experience as couple, or as a group as well...
So what isn't metaphorical?

Having lived around muslims for 38 years of my life I no longer have a desire to consider the well being or safety of muslims out of muslim countries. They are ill equiped mentally and morally to be permitted access to a safe and kind society and to consider anything else would be dangerous and disengenious to the safety of intelligent non violent people.

Collectivism is anti-human. You are responsible for your own well being, and almost all of our social problems arise from rejecting this natural principle in favour of a barely-disguised control grid. People should obey less and co-operate more.

>You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species… finally, the galaxy itself.

I gave up on helping others directly. The only one I can truly have control over is myself - trying to control others is a waste. All I can do is to be a good example, hoping the ones ready walk that path find motivation seeing I could do it.

moon base

While I wish the human community well, the unfortunate fact is that we are moving inexorably towards total systemic collapse. It is extremely difficult not to be cynical and the trends point to famine, death, misery, inequity, and mutilation. Not what "should be", but "what is". Enjoy the present, however imperfect, because the foreseeable future is extremely nasty.

You're being absolutist.
Self responsibility includes taking responsibility for your environment. It sustains you.

cleanse the African continent, all civilised societies would benefit.

We don't know and again someone who answers the question for ideals with something that falls under the category of self fulfilling prophecy and defeatism including against people that wish for such a situation.

>People should obey less and co-operate more.
I like that though.

Most of you might not but I like this thread.

Yeah, Space exploration and colonization.

Honorary Tengrist to say the least.

I don't experience anything as a couple, or as a group.
I gain from the gains of those with whom I consider myself a couple.
I gain less so but still I gain from the gains of those with whom I consider myself part of a group.
I do not experience what the couple experiences. I only experience what I experience as part of the couple.
I do not experience what the group experiences. I only experience what I experience as part of the group.
There is an unambiguous limit to my experiences, and no profit in untruths.

Yes? We can do that without giving money to David de Rothchilde, can't we? That's who heads up the global centre for "fighting" climate change. In fact, all of the Eco Charities are globalist scams. We don't need any of them.

This.

Your obviously a progressive liberal and that's fine. The schism in mindset is obvious. Even the word ideal is subjective.

You need to understand that reality and the natural order of things cannot be defined by human beings with ideologies they make up in their heads. It defines you. Reality is something to be studied and understood, and one must accept the truth no matter how ugly it is.

Any improvement can only be achieved within those constraints. Any attempt to swim against the stream is doomed to fail.

That's not true, and when it works it's true.
So I have sex with a girl and we complement our movements we act as one entity and experience on an upper level as one. It's not an untruth.

It's just the flag I like the most of all that I can choose from, I'll check again and when I continue using it I'll explain beforehand.

This thread doesn't ask for what you consider the existing reality but rather what you think everyone would like to live in... just asking.

Itt: Don't aim just shoot.

No. I'm an adult. I don't believe in fairy tales.

I have never experienced sex as a girl. There is no oneness to that. I have had sex. I have developed a "been there, done that" attitude towards depravity as such, because I have had freaking orgies. There is no one entity in sex.
God, sex is actually clumsy. Do you know what my impression is of group sex? It literally works better in cybersex than real sex. Try it. If you ever can.
I'd like to be a hermaphrodite someday if the tech is ever there, because I want to know what sex is like to women, too. I don't want to give up being male, and I don't trust present reassignment surgeries to provide a faithful simulacra of the experience, I'm just freaking curious.

I think you don't get it, you're the hermaphrodite as a couple.

I'll explain in detail...

Look up the night sky, there will be objects, or start with your own body, you will see you're composed of many entities, jump back to observing th sky...

You can define a moon, a star, or a collection of stars... you can divide the celestial sphere in halfs, you can really define arbitrarily, usually what you will automatically as an object is something that usually can move as one, or some shape that usually has such a property... but it moving usually as a confined entity doesn't make it universally singular... do you get what I mean? The outer world you can define from 1 into infinite entities.
So what about you? The most logical explanation is that you have defined yourself a one entity and by that spawned into existence, you're walking free will on two legs.
Still you can become one in a group for example a couple.

Maybe you have a hard time doing that, I don't know. But I experienced being one with girls early on. It worked.

What you described I'd call prude.

Yes. Vaporizing the planet.

>Universal goal

I refuse to become a paperclip maximizer

I don't know. I'll just admit I really don't get what you're saying. Maybe it makes sense to others. I don't see anything horrible in it it.
It's no shock if there's some grand normal experience that I've failed to grasp. I've been there before with all manner of stupid things.
Achievements in ignorance kind of sap faith. It isn't good for someone to have too many, and I think I have more than is healthy. I've gotten shit done for not knowing it wasn't supposed to be possible the way I did it.

I'm always myself in every context, but I'm invested enough in the success of others to admit that I don't bond well. The way I think isn't necessarily the right way for everyone to think. If this forum is right about "degeneracy" my sexual background probably disqualifies me from being right about anything.

Ideas and faith bond people more than race and blood, regardless of what the SJW's and their stormfag brothers will tell you

I am a white guy and had 2 emergency hospital visits in the last year, the first was a public hospital, mostly white staff, they were not mean but still robotic and cold and scratching their butts the whole time.

The next time I was at a catholic hospital, the staff was a black female doctor, a few indians (probably from southern india where most catholics are from) and some other catholic asians, i was treated like royalty, and the fact that I registered as catholic on my medical forms made them even more warm to me after reading that

>I'd like to be a hermaphrodite someday if the tech is ever there

I caught a thread last week I think, talking about CRISPR and something that's even better than that. Both of which are already out for anyone to get into, for relatively cheap. It's all beyond my knowledge and abilities, but one user asked if shit like that would be possible and got a reply saying that yes, it could be.

So don't die, user. Give it 10 or 20 years and you might just get to live your /d/egenerate dreams.

Just talk who cares,
I rather think your filters are overprocessed.

This is a great emerging branch of science and pretty much equivalent with one pillar of Tengrism, here are interesting reads:

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