Murray Rothbard explains the absurdity of immigration laws

Rothbard wrote:

>The loss to everyone as consumers from shackling the inter-regional division of labor and the efficient location of production, should not be overlooked in considering the effects of immigration barriers. The reductio ad absurdum, though not quite as devastating as in the case of the tariff, is also relevant here.

>As Cooley and Poirot point out: If it is sound to erect a barrier along our national boundary lines, against those who see greater opportunities here than in their native land, why should we not erect similar barriers between states and localities within our nation? Why should a low-paid worker be allowed to migrate from a failing buggy shop in Massachusetts to the expanding automobile shops in Detroit. He would compete with native Detroiters for food and clothing and housing. He might be willing to work for less than the prevailing wage in Detroit, “upsetting the labor market” there. Anyhow, he was a native of Massachusetts, and therefore that state should bear the full “responsibility for his welfare.” Those are matters we might ponder, but our honest answer to all of them is reflected in our actions. We’d rather ride in automobiles than in buggies. It would be foolish to try to buy an automobile or anything else on the free market, and at the same time deny any individual an opportunity to help produce those things we want.

>The advocate of immigration laws who fears a reduction in his standard of living is actually misdirecting his fire. Implicitly, he believes that his geographic area now exceeds its optimum population point. What he really fears, therefore, is not so much immigration as any population growth. To be consistent, therefore, he would have to advocate compulsory birth control, to slow down the rate of population growth desired by individual parents.

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damn i guess i should let millions of africans into my nation thanks op

Fuck off kike shill

>remove borders
>now everywhere is like South Africs
Wow good idea fuck borders n shit

>some jew doesn't understand the fundamentals of statehood

wow colour me surprised

>jew wants open borders
really gets the old noggin joggin

>why should we not erect similar barriers between states and localities within our nation?

We do, though. I have clearly defined borders to my priavte property in a fence.

Non-Hoppean AnCaps will be gassed, too.

This has so many fallacies this man must be an idiot.

Local, intercity and interstate migration isn't nearly as restricted as international migration, if at all. You don't need to satisfy strict immigration requirements to travel across Australia, do you?

What doesn't he understand?

America had no immigration quotas for at least almost 150 years. We didn't turn out like "South Africa".

Point out those "fallacies".

Niggers didnt just come to America and got free gibs all included vacation on European land.
Why am I even telling you this. All over history it shows people will start big fights and wars if a society is too split up. Illegal mass immigration is just here to destabilize europe.

Rothbard was for borders in one of his last essays. He used the Soviet Union moving Russians to displace the Baltic people as an example.

19th century immigrants (mostly Germans) literally got free land. They were allowed to homestead their own plots of land out in the Midwest. The Irish got a reputation for relying on poorhouses. White immigrants weren't super self-reliant individuals and model citizens you people seem to think they were.

>economist
Of course nothing but profits would matter to such a person. Money worshiping faggots like him will suck cock in hell

I support total freedom of labor, but his arguments are shit. He just throws out silly false-equivalencies.

The real reason to support freedom of labor is because it is the consenting agreement between two parties and improves the productivity of both. Obviously such a system only works where welfare does not exist and where citizens are allowed to enforce the NAP in defense of themselves, but that doesn't take away the general validity behind freedom of labor. Worker protections are for failed socialist losers.

It's well-known that Rothbard towards the end of his life was uneasy about his alliance with the Right and his writing at the time was cynical and politically motivated. The argument I posted is Rothbaard in his economics textbook - Man, Economy and State. i.e. Rothbard writing sincerely his actual beliefs.

In any case, America and Europe is not in the same situation as Estonia. Nobody is sending immigrants in waves to "displace" us.

>America had no immigration quotas for at least almost 150 years.
Citation needed.

This site provides a brief history of American immigration policy. The quota system was introduced in the 1920s.

uscis.gov/history-and-genealogy/our-history/agency-history/era-restriction

Makes me happy to see a Rothbard thread.

This only valid when there are equal gibs everywhere.

>In any case, America and Europe is not in the same situation as Estonia. Nobody is sending immigrants in waves to "displace" us.
LOL.
Ancaps are truly worse than communist fucktards

The "advocate of immigration laws" usually doens't explain himself through, or appeal to, an economic rationale, though. Defending "national identity" and what have you is something which literally doen't have a price, most of the time.

Those "arguments" for the absurdity of immigration laws don't make any sense, ironically.

Kowloon Walled City was functional. Communism is not.

Open borders are an assault on private property.
Indeed, boundaries should be strictly respected, at least while the State and its effects are in place.

Did anyone actually read that dribble, what an idiot. Argumentum absurdum, along the lines of chewing gum, I hope you've brought enough for all the class.

Just going to leave this here:
board.freedomainradio.com/topic/48508-immigrationan-empiricists-perspective/?hl=+ethics +choice

Open borders in nowadays context = more use of force / bigger state = immoral

Libertarians lack any insight or analysis into social and/or political realities in their expositions. I've never seen a single one go into any detail regarding this

>Murray Rothbard
kike name

fuck me with your british wit daddy

I cant wait to get run over by a crazy muslim driving a truck. Thanks Free Market.

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Are you kidding me? The enforcement of borders involves violence against foreigners and native individuals who want to associate with those foreigners. They're nothing coercive about open borders. As for welfare programs, the immgirants aren't the ones using violence. It's the native born population voting for those programs and the taxmen robbing you to fund those programs who are using violence, not immigrants.

>America had no immigration quotas for at least almost 150 years
That's because it largely took in immigrants from northern and western Europe, and citizenship was more limited.